That show puts me to sleep forever, but when I listen to you it's stimulating, I hear you
have an open mind and you're talking about the world and you're willing to let other
people who are thinking along completely different tracks just come in and you go into where
they're at.
That's very beautiful.
That's free speech.
Well, there's a time and a place for dangerous ideas, the time is until 3.30 and the place
is WBAI.
After you will come some more free thought.
Yeah, certainly.
I mean, 24 hours a day we try to present things here and again, it's not for everyone.
I'm sure I'm putting some people to sleep and I'm sure I'm making some people bang their
heads against the wall and other people just shout out in all kinds of strange tongues,
but that's what it's all about, folks.
That's not just WBAI, that's life, that's democracy, that's what it's like to be a human
being.
We don't do it enough.
You're right.
That's the point I'm trying to make.
You're absolutely right.
Okay?
Yeah.
Thanks very much for calling.
No problem.
Have a good day.
You too.
Our number is 279-3400.
This is Emmanuel Goldstein.
I'm filling in for Tom Whisker.
I'll be here for about another hour or so and I'll be back again next week and the week
after that too.
Our number 279-3400, we're talking about U.S. policy in El Salvador and I'd like to know
more about the demonstration on Saturday if folks are planning to go to that, if they
have any further information on it or other phone numbers, whatever, whatever you can
pass along to help out because it would be so great to see 100,000 people march in the
streets of New York.
Like I said before, why stop there?
We march on Saturday and we wake up on Sunday and say, has anything changed?
No?
Okay.
Back onto the streets.
And we do it again.
And then we do it on Monday.
Okay, we miss work.
Who cares?
It's an hour of work.
You know?
Is being fired the worst thing in the world to happen?
Or is the knowledge that you're in action is responsible for things like what happened
two weeks ago with six priests murdered?
I mean, you know, like I said, the U.S. government did not go in there and murder six priests.
I'm not going to say that.
But it was the actions.
We set it up.
We set it up so that it could happen.
Had this policy not been in effect, that would not have happened.
Something else might have happened.
Certainly.
We don't know.
But I'm saying, what is wrong with simply allowing events in a foreign country to take
place?
In other words, if the rebels want to take over the country and the rebels are able to
take over the country, let them take over the country.
And if the people are unhappy with what's going on, then they'll march in the streets
and they'll get that government out, like they did in Eastern Europe.
It's the only way you can possibly do something like that.
You cannot go into a country and simply instill what you think the people there want.
Because invariably, it's not what they want.
They want to be able to decide things for themselves.
Right now, I think the majority of people in El Salvador just want to be left alone
for the moment and to work out their own problems.
I don't know.
I may be wrong, but that's the way I feel and I think we need to talk about it some
more.
279-3400.
Good morning.
Hello.
Yes, go ahead.
Yes.
The situation in El Salvador is simply irrational.
There are no rational grounds for what is going on there.
The same position that we take towards Cuba, that they're the worst enemy that we have,
makes exactly the same no kind of sense when you consider that the capitalists, us, are
doing big business with all the so-called communists around the world.
So what on earth is the logic for considering this tiny little Nicaragua, which has, what
is it, one escalator in the whole country, and Cuba, which is terribly impoverished,
what is the reason for considering them mortal enemies when we're doing business with huge
communist neighbors in Europe, in Asia?
Well, it's the age-old thing, U.S. interests, you know, and I say, to hell with U.S. interests.
Our national interests belong here, in the nation, where we need them, you know?
But what are the U.S. interests?
What would hurt us by making friends with Cuba and Nicaragua?
What would we lose?
We would gain an enormous trading partner again.
Cuba was a very big trading partner of the United States, as far as medicines, cloth,
food, I mean, you name it, which are now embargoed, as you know.
We would gain enormously.
What's there to lose from this?
I mean, it makes me think that it's just some terrible mind warp.
There's some, you know, in Foggy Bottom in the State Department, there's some terrible
ancient grudge going on that has to be settled by this kind of vendetta, because practically
it makes no sense at all.
It's, you know, I don't want to oversimplify this, but it's, you can draw parallels to
the way human beings react among themselves, and, you know, you have somebody just, you
know, stop talking to you for no particular reason.
They think you're a bad person, and they won't communicate with you, and, you know, you may
very well be a bad person, but the fact that you stop communicating and spread all these
vicious rumors and lies and things like that certainly doesn't help the situation at all.
And to a degree, that's what the U.S. government is doing.
The U.S. government is like this disgruntled aunt-in-law that didn't get the right seat
at a wedding two years ago, and it's...
That's kind of a happy way of looking at it.
In truth, thousands of innocent civilians are being killed as a result of this enmity.
I mean, if it was just a matter of, well, we've got this rotten attitude towards them,
we don't like the way they have a mole on their cheek, or we don't like the way they
look, that would be one thing.
But we are dangerous to have this anemone.
The United States is an enemy of someone.
I mean, they literally poison the land and the people forever.
Agent Orange in Vietnam, if you like, all the people that are dying in El Salvador,
in Nicaragua, thousands of children.
You know, even with the...
They've talked in the United Nations about the environmental ruin of El Salvador because
of what we're doing with the militia that we have, that we're giving to the army.
Sorry, with the ammunition we're giving.
We're poisoning the water and the land.
Cutting down the forest that the guerrillas can't hide.
I mean, you know, it isn't just a nice case of the McCoy...
What is it?
The McCoys and the Hatfields?
Mm-hmm.
The old enemies.
Right.
It's dangerous stuff!
Well, when nations play this game, yes, a lot of people die, and it's sick.
It really is.
But we're a part of the sickness.
You see...
I just wish that the press wasn't so in the government's pocket that they would ask more
honest questions and that they wouldn't accept government handouts as news.
Right.
You see, it's, yeah, we can blame the press, we can blame the government, but in the end
it's us.
We have to make the change.
And, you know, we can affect the press.
It's not easy.
We've got to change their whole way of looking at things and what is an important news story
and all that.
But, you know, we can do it by being out there every day and making sure they don't forget
about this.
Absolutely.
I don't know if you heard the program before, but a young woman came on Carlotta Joy Walker's
program and said that she was so...
She lives in a country, I think upstate New York, and she was so depressed by what was
happening in El Salvador.
She just was like a weight on her.
She couldn't get rid of it, but she didn't know what to do.
She's not the type that goes to demonstrations, she said, or marches.
And then something came to her.
She said she was working in a barn and she decided to put signboards on herself saying
I cannot stand what the U.S. government is doing in El Salvador.
As an American, I resent this.
I hate it.
And I oppose it in every possible way.
She signed her name and she came down to the village and marched around there and then
got some more courage and walked around New York.
And she said it was just wonderful.
She did that, I think, for a few days.
She said everyone can find their own way to make a constant statement if something...
That's great.
...they just can't stand it.
I thought that was wonderful.
That's amazing.
And if you can find that thing, whether it's writing a letter or marching down the street
or just calling up your friend and saying, you know, isn't this awful, what can we do
about it?
Just get the dialogue going.
Go box out, yes.
Because we're better than this.
We're not the kind of people that just sit back and say, let everything happen, we don't
care about other people.
We do.
That's right.
We're a warm society.
You know, it's...
We just...
We don't investigate as much as we should.
We're not encouraged to.
No, we're not.
No, we're not.
We've got blankets thrown over us.
Right, because, you know, an educated public is a dangerous thing.
Right.
Keep them on drugs and keep them quiet and keep them out of the voting booths and, you
know.
I have two more things to suggest.
I like your program very much.
I think that we should stop propagating this myth, this old cliche that America's the richest
country in the world.
First of all, statistically it's not true, even in terms of just infant mortality.
We're over 17th.
Cuba's ahead of us in having a lower infant mortality.
But, you know, as far as homelessness goes and infrastructure crumbling, illiteracy growing,
all these things, we're really not the richest country in the world by any means.
I think many people who've lived in Europe, and certainly the Scandinavian countries,
would say that they have a much finer standard of living and certainly a much better quality
of life.
If we consider richness just to be our extravagance in wasting things, that way perhaps we're
richest.
But not in any of the ways that really count.
And as media people, you really should be very careful in trying to tone this down.
We're not the richest country in the world.
And the other thing I wanted to ask you is, what's always confused me is why on a Pacific
Station, the very name Pacifica, is there a program called Weaponry with Tom Whiskers?
Well, it's part of our ongoing philosophy here that education is important.
And whether it's education about the military or education about foreign cultures, it's
real.
Weaponry is something that is there.
And where else do you learn about it?
You have to know what is really happening.
It's not a program where we talk about how great the U.S. Defense Department is and how
we can turn Lebanon into an ashtray and all that kind of thing.
You don't think that it sort of encourages the love of military lore by having a program
like this?
Well, I don't think not having a program like this would discourage it.
Let's put it that way.
And I think having a program like that wakes some people up.
It tells people, wow, I had no idea.
It gives you specifics that you never get anywhere else.
And I think it's very important to have that available if you want it.
Okay, if you could address one other thing that I mentioned about America being the richest
country in the world.
Maybe in the 50s we were, but do you really think that's the case now?
Well, we have more TV channels.
We don't have more newspapers, which is an interesting thing.
We've got a lot of space.
Space meaning?
You know, wide open space, that kind of thing.
Well, let's see.
How are we rich?
We've got lots of fast food joints.
We also have the highest cancer rates in the world.
Highest cancer rates.
That's bad, though.
Something like, I believe the statistic is now 88% of our water is polluted.
There is no safe.
You can't go to a nice crystal stream and drink water from it anymore.
Right, so that's progress then.
So we're the most advanced nation as far as technology goes.
You've just proven that.
I don't know what you mean by that.
Well, by having an 88% pollution rate in the water, that proves how advanced we are.
It's, you know, rich is a very relative term.
And you can even come up with something and say this proves that we're rich and somebody
else would say, my God, that proves we're poor.
You know, that's the worst thing.
You can't judge it monetarily.
You can't judge it idealistically.
You can't judge it, you know, by the landscape or anything.
For example, that the UN judges a country's wealth by how many live births per 100,000
or per 1,000.
How much, what's the illiteracy rate?
How many people share a certain amount of space?
There are certain statistics to go by.
But I think apart from all of that, you have to judge quality of life.
And I don't know, have you lived in Europe or in Scandinavian countries?
Well, I wandered around Europe for about six weeks this summer.
And, you know, we have advantages in some ways.
They have advantages in other ways.
But I think they're more, they're closer to reality.
You know, you can talk about things you can criticize without offending.
You know, and that's the first step, I think.
Yeah, no, we're not a people given to good political debate.
No, I can't understand why.
You know, if we're the bastion of democracy, as we keep saying we are, why is that so?
It just isn't.
And I've seen people in seemingly intelligent arguments suddenly get,
hey, you little pink-haired fellow.
You know, they start calling names if someone's presenting a rational argument
for why are there poor people and can't we just think of it?
That old anti-communist reflex comes back.
I think if you explain it in this way,
when that kind of talk starts,
that means that the person has run out of arguments
and can't figure out any kind of comeback.
So they have to resort to name-calling
and accusing the person of being a communist or something like that,
which tells you something about the state of these problems.
Anyway, thanks very much for calling and for bringing those things up.
Those are very pertinent points.
Our number is 279-3400.
Interesting.
I would like to play one song and then go right back to the phones,
but this one song is fascinating for this particular reason.
What this last caller just brought up,
are we the richest country in the world?
Are we the highest standard of living?
Is America what America says it's supposed to be?
Now, when you look at the news,
when you look at what's happening in the rest of the world
and what's not happening here,
what we're doing in other parts of the globe,
when you look at things like librarians being investigated
for defending free speech,
when you look at all the contradictions,
it starts hitting you.
Maybe this isn't the place that I thought it was.
Maybe it's changing.
Maybe there's a whole other way of looking at this country.
And it's kind of disturbing,
especially if you think that there's nothing we can do about it,
if you think that it's a lost cause.
But also, it makes you think.
Just think about where you stand in relation to it all.
If you're a hypocrite,
if you're completely powerless,
if you've been spouting all this rhetoric
all these last few years,
it's something to think about.
And the reason I'm going to play this song here,
it's a song by The Beatles,
and guaranteed it was not written with this in mind.
But I'd like you to listen to this song
and think about America in a different sense.
I'm looking through you
Where did you go?
I thought I knew you
What did I know?
You don't look different
But you have changed
I'm looking through you
You're not the same
Your lips are moving
I cannot hear
Your voice is soothing
But the words aren't clear
You don't sound different
I've learned the games
I'm looking through you
You're not the same
Why tell me why did you not treat me right?
Love has a nasty habit of disappearing all night
You're thinking of me
The same old way
You were about me
But not today
The only difference is you're down there
I'm looking through you
And you're away
Treat me right
Love has a nasty habit of disappearing all night
I'm looking through you
Where did you go?
I thought I knew you
What did I know?
You don't look different
But you have changed
I'm looking through you
You're not the same
Maybe you've changed
I'm looking through you
Paul McCartney
How dare you say I was
questioning America when I wrote that song
I'm not saying that
It's an interesting way of looking at it
I think we have to constantly be questioning
constantly be looking at things
in alternative ways
whether it's America, whether it's music
It's extremely important to be constantly re-evaluating
and I guess second guessing to a degree
otherwise we never really learn
we never really make that step
Our number is 279-3400, I'd like to hear what you think
279-3400
And that's me, good evening, good morning
How are you doing?
I'm sorry to start about this German thing
Because it's really a fairly simple matter
It's not a simple matter
I mean, George Bush has got to convince the West Germans
that the reason that German reunification is impossible
is because the Soviet Union doesn't want it
And I'm absolutely convinced of that
having heard the remarks of a central committeeman
who said, and I'll quote
He says that the United States doesn't want it
even more than the Soviet Union doesn't want it
Which to me even has ominous overtones
And it's my understanding that the United States
has achieved now global hegemony
And I think, wouldn't it be a shame
since we don't have SDI implemented yet
that we got nuked
having achieved our worldwide domination
for the first time in the history of mankind
So why should we screw it up over Germany?
So George Bush does, Germany is fairly significant
I think the president has to somehow soothe the Germans over
the fact that we really can't push the Russians on this
because reunification of Germany
is putting a knife to the Soviet Union's throat
and I don't think they'll stand for that
And what bothers me more is
I'm hearing a lot of stuff
attributing that to Jewish sentiment
And I don't think Jewish sentiment has anything to do with it
I don't blame Jewish people
into saying they don't want German reunification
I wouldn't blame them for not feeling that way
But I don't believe Jewish sentiment has anything to do with
international superpower politics
Excuse me?
It's interesting that you bring this up
because I've been thinking about this over the last few weeks
It's kind of a weird point
You say to yourself or anybody else
that Germany cannot be reunited
because it would be a danger to the rest of the world
Isn't that a racist type of a thing to say?
It's an evil thing to say
We're talking about people's feelings
I'll agree with you on that
I'm not talking in a matter of truth
I'm talking in a matter of propaganda
The Germans today are not
Physically they're not the same people
but mentally it's completely different
They have learned from their history
They're aware of their history
To me the Germans never were evil
That was never the issue
The issue has always been Germany's potential power
Germany is a tragic case
It's a case that didn't come into existence
or existed briefly
but was smashed in World War I
because of the stupid policies of the Kaiser
The thing is
there is a certain amount of complexity here
I know the American liberals don't want that
I think they're incompetent in their assessment
but they tend to be protective of the Soviet Union
I think that's what's motivating them
But the thing is
if a certain person has a liberal politics
then he'll come out
and he won't say I as a liberal
don't want German reunification
because I'm sympathetic to a leftist point of view
He'll say he'll speak as a Jew
And the problem here is
that then the antipathy
that that's going to bring down
from the Germans and from the American conservatives
is going to fall on the Jews
and not on the liberals
And the Jews are really innocent victims
in that they are not political
They don't deserve this
I also feel that the Jews were very badly manipulated
in the last presidential election
when the Democrats were anti-Semitic
in their overtones
whereas the Republicans were rather supportive of Israel
Hold on a second
You just brought up something that's always been a problem with me
If you're anti-Israel, you're anti-Semitic?
I don't see that at all
because I know lots of people
Maybe we're getting off on the wrong foot here
I'm talking about anti-Israeli policies
Yeah, that's the same thing
Israel's looking out for its interests
And those who really are anti-Semitic
come down and say Israel's doing evil things
It's masking anti-Semitism
I'm not denying that they're anti-Semites
that say these things
But if you're going to say that every person
that says Israel's policies should be changed
are anti-Semitic, that's an injustice
That's what they're entitled to say
If they're Palestinians, I can understand it
because they have an interest
But all these other people, especially American liberals
the way they've been coming down on Israel
I think that the liberals
I think the liberals are really the source
of black anti-Semitism
I don't think black people left to themselves
would do that
They wouldn't be allowed to get away with it
They have political support from liberals
from some misguided policy
or greedy political incompetence
trying to grab power
I think they did it in the Roosevelt administration
in attacking Hitler
I'm not going to say that you're mistaken
in saying that these liberal people are behind this
But I think it's wrong to categorize in any way
to say that the liberals are behind it
or the conservatives are behind it
to a degree, there's all kinds of different groups here
I don't think the conservatives are behind it
I think the liberals are behind it
They've always been behind it
And they're doing it again
on this German issue
The liberals don't want to reunificate
They're afraid of it
Their fears are totally misbegotten
because it ain't going to happen
It can happen
The liberals don't want this world to rival the United States
But the liberals have this
I don't know what makes their minds work
But their minds don't work very well
And the thing is, they're coming out
and they're bringing up the Holocaust again
They are
And they're talking as Jews
And I know it's a liberal talking
Shamir says he doesn't think it's going to happen anyhow
So it's coming from left-wing people
And I just think
that what ought to happen
is Jewish people should recognize
the danger in this
and that there's a possibility
I don't say George Bush would do it
but he's going to have to talk to a very powerful country
that isn't pushing harder on German reunification
Because they're already talking about it in the German parliament
about reunification
They're not negotiating it in East Germany
And after all the walls come down
they're talking about some sort of economic agreement
So it's a specter rising
And already the conservatives in the United States
are balking
There's trouble in the Republican party
between conservatives and moderates like George Bush
And the conservatives are willing to make an issue out of this
And they'll come down on the Jews
And I've heard it already
So what will happen is
the upshot of this is if it's attributed to the Jews
West Germany will not be cooperative
and pro-Israel as it used to be
The conservatives are going to start in on the Jews
And already the Jews are getting it from the blacks
And I think enough already
that if the liberals don't want reunification of Germany
they should say I as a liberal am frightened of Germany
or for whatever rationale they want to give
and take the illness of it
I see
It's hard for me to start on this
But you believe that the liberals are behind all of this
Behind?
I think the liberals are the ones that are instigating
against the reunification of Germany
The ones who are being vocal about it
But they're not talking as liberals
As a political faction
I haven't really seen anything vocal
against reunification in this country
I've seen the government of Israel
say they were uncomfortable with that
It surprised me very much
He must be under a lot of pressure from the Labour Party
Which is run by liberals
Interesting
Just to get away from this for a moment
Why is it necessary for there to be reunification
It's not necessary
The Germans want it
The Republicans like it because it hurts the Soviet Union
They're trying to grandstand on the issue
If Dole wants to be president
All these things interrelate
If Dole wants to be president
The Republicans and conservatives
are irritated and they've got an issue
They like to take an aggressive stand
toward the Soviet Union
And they're saying
We don't want German reunification
Because Germany is evil
Look at the Holocaust
That's racist to a degree
I'll say something else that I find to be racist
Look at old Hitler speeches
You see the guy yammering away
on TV or a documentary film
The guy is talking fast, furious German
But you never see
underneath what it is he's saying
When I was in Germany this past summer
I was hanging out with some young Germans
Occasionally something would happen
That would cause them to get excited
Life does that to you occasionally
And they'd start yammering away
I got all startled
That's Hitler talk
They're talking fast German
What's going on here?
It's a very subtle form of racism
To be presented with that picture of Hitler
And to say that's Nazism
That's not Nazism
The words he was saying
That was Nazism
That really bothers me
The more I think of it
God knows
There are a lot of guilty people
For what happened during World War II
For all intents and purposes
They did get away with it
There were thousands of Jews
Maybe even hundreds of thousands
Now hundreds
You could say Hitler succeeded to a degree
It's scary
But at the same time
Let's not blame people
The West Germans, the East Germans today
Are well aware of their history
They're determined not to repeat it
They have that link
They have that sense of what came before
When you have that link with the past
That's the key
You're educated
You know what mistakes have been made
We are determined not to make them again
Our number is 279-3400
I'd like to move back to the Central America issues
Only because it's a big world
We could go on all day with this
Good morning
I'm glad you used the word subtle
Because that is what we issue
It's not the price issue that that young man brought up
You remember the story about the Dutch boy
And how he put his finger into the dike
One little finger in the dike of this country
Saved the country from a flood
And that young man was a hero
Now he is being disparaged by everyone on the station
He is allowed to speak for a moment
We can say freedom of speech exists
Do you see what I mean?
This is not freedom of speech
When he is reviled and hung up on
I'm talking about the problem that exists
WBAI
We listeners are given short shrift
We are looked upon as the money people
For this station
We are being treated in a servile economic way
Are you being treated in a servile way on this program now?
Yes, I was hung up on when I tried to come on
To the real issue
The one right in our midst
The fact that this station is not doing what it should be doing
Where it bans a Mike Fader
Who has had a program on for a long time
When he said he didn't like some of the other broadcasters' attitudes
Now what should have been done would be
Well folks, I'm sorry
Good morning
I certainly will
The...
Oh my goodness, what's been going on
The last couple of calls has got me off my...
The bombing of the...
The bombing of the...
The bombing of the...
The bombing of the...
The bombing of the...
Of the...
Of the...
Where the poor people lived in El Salvador
Was done by the...
El Salvadorian Army
Or Air Force, is that correct?
Oh wait, no, in fact that's the point I'm going to make
No, I'm talking about the Air Force
Bombing the villages of the people who were poor
Bombing the villages of the people who were poor
Thousands of people died there
Over the last...
How long a period of time is it now?
Let's think about the priest then and then we've got the idea
About that time
The number of people that died when the nuns got raped
Extraordinary
And like the lady called and mentioned children
That we seem to, in our morality, profess to care so much about
Not just in El Salvador, but all the children in Nicaragua
That, you know, if they haven't...
I'm not talking about El Salvador
Right, if they haven't been killed, they're being brought up in a war
And that screws you up for life
In extreme poverty too, of course
And the death rate is really counted in those numbers
But they didn't seem to hesitate in bombing
As poor as they are and as extremely poor as they are
The government didn't seem to hesitate in bombing those villages
Now the point I'd like to make
Is that they said that there are something called
Death squads
Well, perhaps the death squad is the El Salvadorian government
Have we ever thought about that?
I think we have, and I think to a degree our government too
Oh, I don't know, because you see, we seem to be parlaying it
Playing it off on certain kind of individuals
Who are outside of the government, who are doing these things
I see your point, right, of course
I mean, there is a very definite link in the article I read before
The people that put the current president in power
Are linked to these groups
Well, the people that are fighting the current government in power
Were not part of that election process, were they?
I'm sorry, say that again?
The people of El Salvador didn't have the opportunity
To vote for the people who are fighting against the El Salvadorian government
The people that are called the guerrillas
But they say it was a legitimate government
It was a legitimately elected government
Right, that's open to debate, depending on how you look upon
What is fair and what is not fair
But I think we should look at this simplistically
If you listen to things simplistically
You might miss the point, you can't get people going out
By your saying they should go out
You certainly can't get them going out by your saying they should read newspapers
Because that's the things that are turning them off
We have to talk about what's really going on
The people do not have a say in their government
There's more than the mainstream press
There's more than the mainstream press
We don't have access to that
You yourself said that we don't have that many newspapers anymore
Read those papers like people don't listen to DAI
I'd like to make a point
I've been on the phone for about an hour trying to get through
And you've talked for a long time, I'd like to talk
This government in its finest days
The 80s and the 20s and back before then
And all the good people like Bob Dylan said
Being pawns, you white folks are real pawns
But we're your victims
And that's the problem you've got to deal with
You have to deal with how you sat and did nothing
And still sit and do nothing
And what happens if you sit too long, you start to go crazy
So that when a man says communist for instance
You form at the mouth
I think we have a problem when you talk about Cuba
Having a good birth mortality rate
And all of that, but then you say
Hey, but they don't have other things
What are the other things you're talking about?
Are the other things you're talking about Jodeci jeans?
Or Chrysler 88 models?
Cuba has been under an embargo since it's been in existence
It stops goods and services from coming into Cuba
Has anybody set foot in this country
In terms of a war footing like they did the Soviet Union?
Has this country been destroyed and built again?
Perhaps it would have been better if it had maybe
Like Europe has or any other place has
Like every other place on this planet has
What excuse have we got for people
Reaching into garbage cans and eating out of them?
You know, before Hitler was able to take power
And you're Jewish, right?
Oh, before Hitler was able to take power
He had to build scapegoats, didn't he?
And he built the scapegoats on those who were the most disenfranchised
Or the least politically powerful, right?
He did it on the gypsies, he did it on homosexuals, didn't he?
And the people went for it, why did they go for it?
When there were lynch mobs in the south
People just went up and said, we're going to lynch this nigger now?
No, this nigger that they're going to lynch is the guy that raped some woman
Or yelled at some woman or something before, any kind of excuse?
And in the white people's impoverishment
They went out and lynched someone who was more victimized than they?
You listen to Bob Dylan, can I ask you how old you are?
Well, again, that's another thing I don't talk about on the air
Well, you see, life experience is very important if you're not book trained
And book trained doesn't do any good without life experience, you know?
And you can't talk around these things without getting to the real meat of it
And this way you'll get people to respond on Saturday and on Monday
Like I'll be there, I'll never vote for George Bush
Because George Bush doesn't represent a conversation
And George Bush is by no means a moderate, a CIA cutthroat
George Bush is a reactionary
And we've had reactionaries ever since the so-called civil rights movements
And that was the thing that began to set America free
As a consequence, we're eating dirt now
Who supported Hitler before he became Hitler?
Was it really Stalin?
Or was it John Henry Ford?
Real anti-Semites
We gotta know what we're talking about so we can talk truth to people
Because otherwise, like the fellow came on before
And talked about African Americans, he's called them blacks, I don't know who they are
African Americans, they're being used by so-called liberals
And I don't know what that is, about anti-Semitism
In regards to Israel who's breaking children's arms
And it was the American public that stopped that, wasn't it?
Because of their criticism of Israel, wasn't it?
There are people in Israel who have views that are extremely
Excuse the expression, I don't know what it is, but they call it progressive
That want to sit down and talk with other people rather than break children's hands
And they're considered anti-Semites, I suppose
If you mention Jesse Jackson's name
You're an anti-Semite
But he holds views that a lot of folks hold
And we gotta deal with that because
If we don't, you know who's gonna rule the roost?
Well, who's gonna rule the roost is who's ruling it now
You understand?
And it's very painful because
The quality of life is extremely dear to all of us
If we do not celebrate the quality of life that we are capable of celebrating
Then something diabolical is gonna happen to our psychic
And we'll be goose-stepping into the next century
Jew and Gentile alike
That's all I have to say
Okay, well thank you very much for calling
And we'll see you on Saturday
Yes
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It's Emanuel Goldstein filling in for Tom Whisker
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We'll be back for the next two weeks as well
And we will be taking some more phone calls
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Here now is commentary by Vladislav Kozlyakov on the coming Soviet-American summit in the Mediterranean.
It was agreed in advance, he writes, that it would be an official meeting and that no agreement would be signed.
However, it is not ruled out that Mikhail Gorbachev and George Bush will approve some directives
and will give instructions to their foreign ministers or other representatives,
especially in preparation for a summit due to take place in Washington next spring or summer.
This seems to be very important. Such an approach makes it possible, given reciprocity,
to advance in any field of cooperation and put any understanding into action.
Moscow does not share the fears expressed by some American commentators and politicians prior to the meeting.
They allege that a meeting in Malta will be like the meeting in Reykjavik.
They have assured us that if anything like that takes place, it would be a disaster.
The creation of this Reykjavik image is surprising.
Wasn't it a real breakthrough in Reykjavik in 1986 when the two leaders coordinated nuclear disarmament objectives,
adherence to which is now being reaffirmed by both sides in their work on an agreement on a 50% reduction in strategic offensive arms?
Didn't the Reykjavik meeting contribute to the signing of the INF Treaty in 1987,
a treaty called a historic accord in East and West alike?
The impression is that some American politicians seem to be afraid of radical agreements.
Shortly before the Mediterranean meeting, they wondered, with something of timidity,
whether President Mikhail Gorbachev would come up with some new proposals.
In the meantime, with all the importance of Soviet initiatives, the situation in the world, in particular in Europe,
compels the West to adopt new bold approaches for the benefit of cooperation.
Historica in the USSR and renewal in Eastern Europe have given rise to rapid development.
The essence of changes is to promote democracy, the freedom of nations, and freedom of choice.
In these conditions, global understanding, in particular between the USSR and the United States, is of special significance.
When President Bush spoke with Soviet parliamentarians in the White House on the threshold of the meeting in Malta,
he asked what the United States could do to help the Soviet Union.
The Soviet guests said that Americans could help by agreeing to reduce arms and expand economic ties with the Soviet Union.
President Bush welcomed this and said that such an approach would be advantageous to both sides.
Moscow believes the Mediterranean meeting could melt the ice of the Cold War completely
and open the door wider for cooperation between the Soviet Union and the United States
for the benefit of their nations and also for the rest of the world.
Commentary by Vladislav Kozyakov was prepared at the studios of Radio Moscow.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Okay, well, perhaps I should say part of the game plan is you have to be there.
You have to be on the other side of the phone.
So let's see if we can both get on the phone at the same time.
Good morning.
Good morning.
I just have a quick question.
Yeah.
It concerns the show you did a few weeks ago when you were talking about the phone company.
Uh-huh.
There was a gentleman who had all sorts of information, and he left a P.O. box number.
I'm just wondering if you happen to get that, if you have it.
I know you probably don't have it right now.
I'll tell you what.
Write to me at the station.
I don't have it here.
Okay.
If you write to me, I'll pass that information.
I've written to you.
Okay.
Well, then I'll probably pass that information along to you at some point.
You do have it, though?
I'm sure I can get it because I do have the show on tape someplace, and I'll dig it out.
Okay.
Thanks.
Okay.
Bye.
I'm going to a lot of trouble.
I'll let you know that.
Again, if you want to write to us or write to me, I'm Emanuel Goldstein, and the address
here is WBAI 505 8th Avenue, New York, New York, 10018.
That's right.
Okay.
Let's take some more calls.
Good morning.
Is anyone there?
Maybe there's something wrong with our phone.
Hello?
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, hi.
I have a little interesting little piece of tape here.
A piece of tape, huh?
Yeah.
Yeah, you should be able to hear it okay.
Let me preface it.
Tom Whisker sometimes plays these tapes of Arthur Godfrey giving you a radio, an earful
tour of the Strategic Air Command, the vintage tapes from the 50s and whatnot.
Okay.
Speak up a bit so we can hear it.
Okay.
Okay.
This is something a little more recent.
This is from the 1950s.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
This is something a little more recent and more with your topic of El Salvador and Central
America, so hang on a second.
My God.
Hey, there.
What have you done?
Don't go away.
Don't go away.
What were all those noises?
If anyone out there could translate those tones, I want to know what they are.
Main 75, this is MacDill, Command Sauce.
You're requesting a request for a radio call.
Scott! What have you done?
Don't go away. Don't go away.
What were all those noises?
If anyone out there could translate those tones, I want to know what they are.
Command 75, this is MacDill. Command boss, your request to land here is approved.
Roger, sir. Appreciate it. We should be there, like I said, in about 40 minutes or so.
I need you to do me a favor. If you could give 21st Air Force a call, let them know of our intentions.
And if we can request that they send to MacDill three computer flight plans.
One from MacDill to Howard Air Force Base, and one from MacDill to Roosevelt Roads, Cuba.
And then from MacDill, Puerto Rico, Roosevelt Roads, and then down to Howard from there as well.
Roger, sir. I understand your basic request. Please read me the three flight plans again.
Two computer flight plans from MacDill to Howard Air Force Base, Panama. Another computer flight plan.
What you were listening to there is a shipment of probably more guns headed down to Panama.
Fascinating. Do you have that on actual tape? I mean, obviously you do. You just played it.
I was wondering if you might be able to send us the tape.
Send you the tape?
Yeah, because it was breaking up a bit over the telephone.
Oh, sorry.
But it would be a nice thing to throw on a record or something.
I probably could. And the other side has something even a little more interesting in it.
I happened to catch George while he was in the air the other day.
Did you? Did he make a phone call or something?
But it wasn't... I didn't quite get George, but they kept on referring to the boss being on the same plane.
And they were talking all about the Secretary of Defense.
Well, was the plane referred to as Air Force One?
No, actually they didn't quite refer to it. Actually, I just...
No, I didn't actually pick up an identifier, but the traffic...
They were talking to guys in Belgium and setting up all this stuff.
And it was like two personal secretaries talking about his schedule for next week and all this stuff.
I see.
They were lining up press conferences. It was funny.
They were talking about the guy from the New York Times.
Well, we'll give him a... Hey, the New York Times is okay. We can give him an interview.
Yeah, they've heard of that.
Yeah, right.
Listen, sir, we've got to go.
Okay.
Thanks very much for calling, though. And thanks to all the other folks out there that have called.
And my apologies to those folks that did not get through.
I mean, it happens occasionally.
But I'll be back again next week between the hours of 1 and 3.30, talking about something.
I mean, who knows what's going to happen between now and then.
Of course, the Malta summit, as it were, will be taking place.
And we might have some, you know, amazing thing out of that.
We might have nothing at all.
But I do want to see people at the El Salvador rally on Saturday.
It starts at 11 o'clock in the city.
And just keep listening to the BAI.
You'll hear more specific details on that, I'm sure.
And, you know, look around other places, too.
I'm sure there'll be a lot of talk of it.
Let's hope we get thousands of people in the street because this is something very important to us, to our future,
to the people of many other countries.
As well as one country in particular.
Anyway, it's been my pleasure to be here with you.
Emmanuel Goldstein, filling in for Tom Whisker.
Thanks again to everybody that called in, and we'll see you again soon.
Good night.
Good night.
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