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Any further things we want to wrap up or words that we couldn't say on the radio that we want to say now or
Before we take phone calls
Could we say data secrets on the radio? Yes, we could that's Twitter and we did we certainly did. Yeah. Yeah. Yippee-ki-yay
Can't say that on YouTube
All right. Well, I guess I think I think it's worth
Starting off where we left in that in the sense of people that are perhaps just joining
We ended the show by noting
how important it was to submit your speaking proposal your
You know to respond to our CFP our call for participation for hope this year
We've had a really great slew of submissions
Thus far we think that you know after this bucket is
Decided, you know, we're looking for more and more submissions
It's just it's gonna get harder and harder to get your talk submitted, especially if there's other talks on that same topic
So there really is a I think a not a great deal of pressure
But it behooves you if you want to speak at hope this year get your talk in your submission in now
or as soon as possible because
You know, we're going through this stuff really quickly
And we want to hear from you and it's up to you to make hope what it is and
You know, you've done a great job in the past. We want to see you there this year in and don't forget
This is going to be something that's in person. It's at a new location. There are just so many wonderful
Reasons why participation this year is more important than almost any other hope in the past
Well, it really is because
You know, we we went through hell in 2018
And we wanted to do a better job in 2020
but then we found out the hotel was going to really screw us over by I
Think tripling the rate and just making it impossible for us to have the kind of conference. We wanted to have
So that was crisis number one
and then we
Found a great place. We found st. John's University and we were thrilled and ready to go with that
but that was you know a big step the first time in a new location totally changing the way the conference is a whole new
Chapter and then 2020 hit kovat and we did everything online that year
so now here we are 2022 four years after our last conference and
Ready to to have our first in-person conference in that amount of time, but also our first conference in a brand new location
So it's really if you want to be at the beginning of history
This is the place to be because it's so many different ways that we are doing things differently and and so many ways that this
is hugely important to the entire future of
Hope conferences if this this one does well, it works out
It's a positive experience something that people really enjoy then
Basically, the next one will be bigger and better and it'll keep going from there. We have so much space to expand into
And it's it's just an amazing thing and
The odd irony of all this is that it didn't really matter what the hotel did, you know
They they they could have kept the price exactly the same
we wouldn't have had the conference in 2020 there because of kovat and we
Won't have the conference there in 2022 because the hotel is being torn down
No matter what it was. It was decreed that we would not have another conference at Hotel, Pennsylvania
So one way or another that was not going to happen and everything got in the way
So here we are our new chapter begins. We'd love for you to be a part of it
So visit hope.net and submit your your your talk ideas and let's make this happen
All right. We have a phone call
802 I guess I should give out the phone number though
Taking you the phone number before I gave it out
802 3 2 1 hack 8 0 2 3 2 1 4 2 2 5
So I'm gonna guess that this person is somebody that we know
Yeah, I was gonna ask does that mean I have to reset anything over?
That would be really rude. They they obviously wanted to call so they did and welcome. Welcome to off the hook over time. Go ahead
Good how are you?
Try not to flip out over to Ukraine stuff
You know, I'd be a good subject for for hope those like trying to make
Hospitals more accessible
like using like something like a Wi-Fi triangulation with an app to like
You know help people find a way around hospitals close man. I get lost in these things nowadays
Yeah, it's easy to get lost in any big complex. But do you have any any specific ideas and how to make that easier?
Well, you know how GPS works on the phone right where triangulates right
Well, you could do the same thing with Wi-Fi and say you have to go to certain floor or whatnot
you could just put in an app on the phone and
Just use the Wi-Fi to kind of point you in the right direction
yeah, or maybe have like a
Vibration when you have to turn one way or the other two for one way
You remember next generation of first episodes where they were talking about the new ship and everything
They had like the lighter panels that showed you where to go and like an encounter at Farpoint
Huh encounter at Farpoint is what you're talking about. Yeah, I don't remember that part of it. But but I believe you
Yeah, well, you know they were showing off this ship and everything and I think it was Friker
He was like in the middle of the ship going. I don't know where I'm going and like an incident or whatnot
I said, well just
Just that's computer where you want to go and they'll there'll be lights along the walls to show you where to go
Yeah, it's funny. I was actually in a hospital the other day
And I was in an elevator, I was trying to get an elevator
They're intelligent elevators now, but I didn't know what that meant and I was I was pressing what looked like a button
But all it was was a light and I couldn't figure out how do I get this intelligent elevator to listen to me?
Apparently what you're supposed to do is find a little LED screen and press your destination
And then when you press the destination it tells you what elevator will arrive
But then the elevator doesn't arrive not right away
Anyway, it knows it's going to arrive at some point
But I was waiting 45 seconds for that door to open other doors were opening but I was told that's my door
I have to wait for that one. I don't think it was more intelligent
I took a took a lot longer to get to where I was going and I was confused and also I could have gotten
Off at any other floor to I was in that elevators. It's going to physically stop me from getting off
What was wrong with buttons?
What's wrong with pressing a damn button to say what what floor you want to go to in an elevator that system worked?
I'll sit down now
Yeah, it just seems like people just I mean you can do this with bluetooth to it's like
you know
Say you need to go to a certain office
You could just use bluetooth is like chicken and everything without having to do the thing with the the person at the front, right?
Make sure it's your right spot and everything
I
Don't know. It's just I don't know. Well, why are you guys thinking about the about like the right wing just like
Going pro-putin and everything the last few days
Well because Putin is right-wing. I mean, you know, he's a lot closer to fascism than he is to
to left-wing communism, that's for sure and
And and he's basically saying a lot of the things that the right wing in this country espouse
So it's it's a marriage made in hell. Yeah, that's sort of bird. Yeah birds of a feather at this point
What do you guys in Skype land thing?
Oh
it's really fascinating to watch because of course all of this is doing a great job of pushing the
Things like the January 6th investigation committee and that off of our headlines
So no one's paying attention to that anymore in this country because of course there's really interesting things going on in the world stage
And I'm not saying like Putin went ahead and invaded the Ukraine or when it went ahead and invaded Ukraine
So, you know just so our newspapers would be be talking about something different
But you know, it does it does everything affects each other in this media environment
We've got and it's interesting to watch the patterns in these things
Hang on call it like Gila speak. Go ahead
Sorry caller I was in
An appointment this afternoon and I heard music and they were playing Africa Toto's Africa on the old East Station
not again, and it made me think it made me think about 40 years ago and how interesting it is that
Republicans are lining up to support
Russia and what a turnaround that is from the time of the Cold War and
how the idea of any American politicians supporting Russia just things are so radically different and it's
Fascinating they haven't really I want to say they haven't picked a lane yet, but now that they haven't
They haven't picked a direction
I don't know what way they're going because you know half the time I hear them basically making excuses for Putin the other half
I'm hearing them saying that Biden is letting this happen and that it's all his fault and that
Putin is getting away with all kinds of things. They don't seem to agree with each other
They certainly don't agree with anything that's going on that that Biden does but I don't think they really know which which side is
Politically expedient for them and that's the problem is that that's what they're thinking of first and not thinking about what's right?
They're not thinking about what they should be standing for. They're thinking about how can we make this?
benefit our political platform and
There's no easy answer to that. So they're going to screw it up and it's it's it's kind of funny
But very sad to to see that happening
Well, also also today two prosecutors quit the Trump trial I heard about that
I'm a little confused as to what's going on there
I just heard that there's a chance that nothing will happen now, which really guys what after all this what's what what is going on?
That's why I'm not understanding too. I wonder if they're bailing cause he didn't really find anything to stick to him
But if you don't have anything to stick to him, I go through all this man
No, they have a lot to stick to him. I just you know, Alex you're you're in the legal profession
Did you have something to do with this?
No, I I did not and and frankly I was not aware of this story
So I didn't want to dive into it too much, but I will say
generally when prosecutors resign there is some kind of
Ethical issue
That could explain why well they may disagree with a certain decision
It may it may have to deal with you know, the manner in which things are being dealt or it could be something completely different
You know
There are any number of reasons why why things could change and prosecutors leave those types of roles and go into private practice
really frequently so it could be something as simple as
A couple of people from the same office the same team getting an offer somewhere and
It being too too good for them to refuse so hard to say well what I heard at the deli was that
There was a I think a DA above them who who recently?
The the previous DA left was replaced with another one. Am I am I saying this right Alex they work under a DA
the prosecutors
Yeah, okay. Well, are we talking about a US Attorney's Office or are we talking about a stake here?
We're talking about steak. It's in New York Manhattan. Yeah, Manhattan. Okay. I thought we were talking about it
Sorry, I thought we're talking about it. There are a lot of cases. I know but
Do I have it generally right? There's a DA. Okay
Yeah, okay. So this DA let me at least get this out this DA
Step down or was replaced and the DA that replaced him was
Expressing doubt about whether or not the case should continue and these two guys quit at that point
Or two people quit at the Rob. You're nodding your head. Is that what you heard to at your deli?
That that describes it pretty well. Yeah, my deli agrees. So the cover-up
squad
Came in and the people they're like no, they're they're covering up this thing
They're gonna make it go away because you know, the the Stooges were moved in
It tells me that these prosecutors are so frustrated that all our work is gonna go for nothing because this new guy doesn't believe in
The case. Yeah, it's something like that that they just said no. No way. I'm not gonna be a part of that
That's that's what it appears at this point. I know nothing beyond what I what I heard when I was getting my sandwich
Okay caller anything else?
You know, I like to see you know, the stadium is coming up, right
I like to see some people like just show up outside the Capitol
like, you know
protests for okay, right
Yeah
I think you're gonna get your wish because as we speak a convoy is forming of
American truckers that plan on doing just that outside
The State of the Union next Tuesday. I just want my god. Yeah
careful
To the intercepts and whatnot on the channel, I'm sorry say again
And I don't know if these guys are the organizers to want. Uh-huh, but one dude is like from Wisconsin. Uh-huh
And talk about Trudeau and it's like what what you got to do with Trudeau man. You're from, Wisconsin
Well, the Canadians talking about Trump and there's a lot of crossover for sure. Go ahead Kyle
Speaking of that one other thing regarding some of the cases
His accounting firm fired him. There was that story a couple weeks ago, right?
Also, very interesting that's a term they fired Trump you can do that fired him as a client essentially and
Basically like a decade of his financial reporting was in called into question as a result
Yeah, but what does that mean?
Does that mean that nobody's gonna pay any attention to it or does that mean that someone's gonna be held liable for lying?
Because it sounds like I'll just don't look at it. And no, I think everybody should look at it
Yeah, I think maybe
Looked at in in as in for its inaccuracies as more like exhibit a instead of
some sort of
Security on a credit line or something. I mean it's gonna be I think less important from it for business dealing
Oh, I just want consequences. I want to see punishment and you know hand it out
I don't want to see anything held back. It's all I want. You know, it's not asking for much. It's the American dream
Go ahead caller
Yeah, I'm I'm thinking it's just a way for the counter firm to
Cover their own butts calls him in lock. They probably knew what was going on. That's what it sounds like to me
That's the way I see. It's like oh, well all this stuff we like testify for him and
You know called you doing this under oath. Anyway, we signed a paper for a tax return, right?
You're sort of doing under oath. Yeah, I mean the crime was committed. So I don't think they can just say oh, yeah
Never mind nothing. You did it already. They were probably paid handsomely to
To orchestrate his crimes for him, you know legally, right? He might have even paid them a lot or
Something. All right. Let's not talk about Trump anymore. I'm gonna forget that. Okay caller find a final word
No, we're gonna move on to another call
Well, you know just trying to sit here and relax, you know got some got some jazz on. Oh cool
Yeah, wait, wait, hold on people out there. But how do you listen to us if you've got jazz on how do you listen to?
TV and I get you on the computer. All right, as long as you can hear us, I guess I
Listen to the show just mix music with the words. I know it's a kind of what if we were playing music
Then it would be even more music and that would be my that's not how we intended it to sound Kyle
It's not listening to it on the manner in which it was once it goes out about this afterwards when it's on my wires
Talk about I get to do afterwards caller. It was great hearing from you again, and we hope to speak to you in a couple of
weeks
Yeah, take care. Well, you have a good one. And uh, just uh, everybody keep sexy out there I guess and
Try to think happy thoughts. Oh, I don't know what else to do. I mean, uh-huh. That's what we've been doing
Yeah, yeah, I don't know where it's gonna come from but thank you for calling and thanks for being out there
It was pleasant every show is put together meticulously with all sorts of different
I mean even the intros where that are rough. Sometimes there's a certain chemistry there. You can't mess with it
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Good evening from a troubled time troubled time zone. Wow, this this is a voice
We have not heard in a while Bobson from Bulgaria and Bulgaria is right near Ukraine
Well, it's not really near Ukraine, but it's closer than we are for sure. What do you guys going through over there?
What do you what are you hearing?
Tell us your you know something of what's going on over there with Ukraine and Russia
Well, I wish I could
But well the to have a lot of history between them
That could go one way or another
Yes
But you are you are aware of?
Putin invading or about to invade Ukraine
Okay, good, that's all we ask that's good. Okay. Just want to make sure you weren't completely oblivious to the situation
I
Should point out it's about 3 in the morning over there in in in Bulgaria. Is that correct?
Standard display. Oh, yeah
About 3 o'clock in the morning. Okay, so you're not completely oblivious to the situation
Standard display. Oh, yeah a bit after
Bit after 3 a.m. Okay
we're sorry to wake you up at this hour, even though you called us, but
There's no way we can do it differently that I can think of what else is on your mind. Yes
Hmm
These are called bobs and pauses by the way, they're they're copyrighted so that you can't just use them. Oh
Are they now? Yeah. Yeah, they're special
They're still having trouble figuring out the
Situation
Between Russia and the Ukraine which is a bit are we still talking about that?
The situation between Russia and the Ukraine is a
bit troubles
Quite a bit of trouble. So let me ask you pops in that, you know in Bulgaria. Are you at all concerned that Russia might move?
Closer to Bulgaria or into Bulgaria at some point even though Bulgaria was never part of the Soviet Union
Is this something that you or other people there are worried about?
Well, I haven't heard anyone
Express such worries and I don't think
it makes sense from
The
Situation or what I know of it
All right, are you aware of any statement by your government on on their position on what's going on
Well
Not as such no
I've heard some people express
Disagreement to the Russian
Movement
Okay, yeah, yeah
Well, if you could check with your government
we can either wait or
Get back to us in a couple of weeks and let us know what their concerns are if any
Well, they may contact you it's after hearing this
So, how did you do in the Winter Olympics Bulgaria were they in the Winter Olympics, I
Think so, okay, but I don't think we
Got too much of anything in terms of medals
Okay, so
Got too much of anything in terms of medals
It's not about the medals it's about showing up it's about participating and it's about breathing in that cold Chinese winter air
with the artificial snow
Well, I
Didn't make it to there to the to China for the Olympics. No, you didn't write all about the air. Yeah
It's gonna be in Italy next time what I saw on TV it looked snowy enough to
Participate in winter sports. Yeah, it's
It was something it's over now Paralympics are starting soon
And I don't know if you heard our last couple of shows. We actually were hearing from somebody in Beijing
It was calling us who was part of the the media operation. That was fascinating or
Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's quite a quite an operation to to cover and really great behind-the-scenes discussion and observations and
Alex you are either measuring the wind with your finger or you wish to speak
Indeed. Yeah option I question for you
Bulgarian groceries again
Unrelated to groceries this time. I I can get on to that subject next though, but it does seem like you might be a little
Too tired to discuss the intricacies of the various wafer cookies and things that I that I did in fact purchased last week
the voyeur out but moving on
speaking of Olympics in Bulgaria, I remember reading something a while ago that
I think it was in the 90s Bulgaria made a bid to host the Olympics and and built some
Some kind of building near the Black Sea
That is now completely abandoned and overgrown with vegetation and
Kind of apocalyptic looking. Have you ever heard of something like this?
Well, I know we had a bit in the 1980s to cost the Winter Olympics
But I don't know that it has anything to do with the Black Sea side
And why would there be an abandoned building there if they didn't get the Olympics why would they build the building I
That I don't understand. Yeah, I'm kind of curious about that
Well, if I knew which building you're speaking of I may have
I'm able to
Okay, I'm looking this up. I'm
Yeah, something something apparently that's vaguely labeled as a gymnastics hall
On on the Black Sea that was part of a bid for the Olympics. It might have been to to demonstrate the capacity
to to build out a particular site
But with the the bid having fallen through it seems like this entire arena has now fallen into disrepair
And it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's
Seems like this entire arena has now fallen into disrepair
And is overgrown by by vegetation. It looks really kind of like a an interesting site to visit I have to say
Guy calls from Bulgaria and all you have to say is talk about abandoned buildings in his country if you ever find your way
Over here. We can go visit the site. Yeah
Have you ever been to the Black Sea?
Yeah, how would you how would you describe it for people who have never been there
The Black Sea, hmm, is it different from other seas?
Well, it's
Not as large as the ocean so it's not as cold to be in it
Of a summer
Summer
Other than that
There's beaches on the side of it, okay makes sense
Or there were
Where would they go?
Yeah, uh, well, no, there's there's the thing about beaches is they need sand coverage and
It's
That's uh
Too malleable, I think in terms of
People digging up the sand to use it for whatever
Wait, are people stealing the sand off of your beaches? Is that what you're saying?
Well, I've seen
Some beaches missing a lot of sand
With respect to what they used to have and in terms of
People don't steal the beaches don't steal the sand from the you'll have nothing you'll just have land and water
That's not exciting. No, you need the sand the sand is serving a purpose. It's there for a reason
We can't put it back I don't think
Well, I'd like to see are there well not unless you dig it from the
Concrete that it's used for from water here
sand is
Beach sand is very good for concrete mixing or what have you well, they could steal it from the desert then, you know
That's there's a lot more space. It's it's the desert beach is different. The desert sand is different
I'm sure it is, but maybe it's better. We have we ever tried
I don't know much about it, but I hear that the
Sea sand is has its advantages when mixing things with it or because of shape and size and
You know the things we discuss when you call just it's unbelievable
But let me just ask you one more question about the black sea. Is there is there a surf are there waves?
Well, uh, yes, there are waves depending on the weather
I mean sometimes it gets stormy
Are there black sea surfers
Yes, there are oh, okay now we're getting somewhere interesting so there's probably a whole uh black sea
surfer culture
With the equivalent of their beach boys and and you know music and things like that
Interested in learning more about this. I don't know about the music. But yes, I know that other there are people who
Do surf here with and it's mostly wind surfing from what I've seen
Now wind surfing doesn't I mean it's it's a different thing
it's got to be water surfing with surfboards and all that kind of thing and
Oh, you mean windless?
you mean the
surfing of
Yeah, surfing usa except bulgaria and not usa
That kind of thing. Well, I don't think the
water is
Agree about to the windless
I got my hopes up
Okay, well we're gonna do more more investigation into this. Um
Skype guys you got any more questions for bobson? We're gonna move on to another call
No, just just uh want to put out there that uh, you know, it wasn't me that stole the sand from the beach
Um, i'm completely innocent. Um, in fact, I don't like sand it's coarse and rough and irritating it gets everywhere but um
There's also like natural erosion is a thing so it might not be a person
Except people cause erosion
Care of it is a bit
Disagreeable, I I think I mean
Seeing how much is being did that up and
I wish I wish you were right, but i'm not sure of it
But
We promise we will look into this and find out more
Alex did you have any grocery related questions for bobson?
Well, I I do, you know, I I did get some bulgarian cookies last week in anticipation of you calling them
uh, and uh
I I have to say I was so disappointed that you didn't call it last week
And um
I think I have forgotten the name of the cookies nor did I get
uh two extra boxes to to send over to the uh,
The crew out on long island. Yeah, we we didn't get anything. We were looking every day. We didn't get a thing
Well, you know get used to disappointment. That's all I have to say. Oh, I am i'm very used to it
future if nothing else
but um
Yeah, I I think the cookies were called something like the the voyeurette voyeurette, does that sound familiar?
No
Well concise answer
uh in any event, uh
the the bulgarian people at the bulgarian grocery store were very keen on me getting and trying these cookies and
Explaining to me that they were fantastic. They were very very good. I have to say there are lots of different types of
Wafer cookies that they have in this particular
grocery store
And i'm wondering if that's uh something that's peculiar to bulgaria or perhaps it's just something that ships
easily to the united states
Well in terms of shipping easily it doesn't just ship easily to large distances it also ships
easily
in general
So, yeah, it may be part of why
People manufacture them, you know with the needs of getting to market and such
Wherever that may be
Yeah
They also unfortunately don't have any hot foods available. So I I couldn't
You know try the delicacy that you had referred to me the name of which escapes me, but it's written
Forever in my notebook. Hang on. Hang on a grocery store
You're saying they don't sell anything that you can heat later that nothing hot or just nothing that's hot there, which would be odd
Well, I mean they do have things that are frozen and cheeses and things like that, but they they don't sell any hot food
So nothing that that they make themselves as a dish that you can buy
Okay
Yeah, uh, but I but I think uh, I what I think I would love to do
Bobson would be to um
to ask one of the women that works there and I think it's a
a uh, uh
Married couple that runs the place runs this joint
and um
You know if perhaps one day when we get out of this pandemic if she could come over
And uh and cook a meal for us cook a an authentic bulgarian meal
And when when we do this, I have this idea in my head, you know
Maybe this is something that'll happen this summer perhaps around the 4th of july or something. I will i'll invite all of our colleagues
uh from long island from queens over to taste these delicacies and then we can all report back and over time about our uh,
Our thoughts so wait, you want this bulgarian woman who works in a grocery store to come over to your house and cook bulgarian food?
Why don't we just go to her house? Why are we going to your house?
Well, I I would invite her here to do it and and and ask if they could cater something like this
I think that would be you know, really really great. Okay, that's different catering. That's that's that might be something there. They'd be interested in
yeah, it could be really interesting the um, you know, I I just don't know if um,
You know if you would be welcome in their home, that's that's the real issue man
Who bobson or me?
You what? I don't know you would behave yourself in in in you know, the appropriate manner. Excuse me
I've I've been to bulgaria. I know
the bulgarian ways
You know, you do I I know what not to do
That's what i'm afraid of. Yeah
Entirely. Yeah, uh, but then maybe who knows maybe I would love to go over to her house and um,
You know, maybe she doesn't even have to cook something anew. Perhaps you could just heat up some some leftovers for us
Can you imagine the horror?
Uh, if by chance this person just happens to be randomly listening to podcasts and is tuning in to channel 2600 right now
Recognizes her bulgarian grocery store being talked about and then hearing this strange voice saying that he hopes that
She will come over to his house and cook food for him
Without any kind of conversation that they've had about this and just realizing. Oh my god. They're talking about me
Yeah, I mean I I would be honored if it were if the the the roles were reversed here
I think it would be absolutely fantastic, you know, um, hey look maybe maybe there's a hope talk that comes out of this
And there might be a headline that comes out of this but
We'll just have to table that for later bobson any final words from you
Well, I I was hoping to wait out for a few years for my final words but for tonight I
Don't have to be so dark situation in this time zone keeps improving as opposed to the
Certain
More eastern folks
Seeing it differently. Well, that's the second time you've made reference to a time zone. So are you in the same time zone as ukraine?
As kiev, yes as kiev, right because ukraine is I guess they're in two different time zones
Um, they may have more than one time zone to deal with. Yes. How how far away are you actually from ukraine?
Um
Well, uh, it's on the other side of romania
You know, that doesn't help us at all
Well
North of bulgaria is romania and northeast from romania is to ukraine. But how far is that?
Well, i've traveled to kiev by train
A few years ago and got back by similar train
I used to like going to ukraine. Yeah, we we actually did the whole thing of uh,
Going to we were in moldova and we had the bright idea to cut through ukraine to get back into poland
But when we got to uh, kiev and I still say kiev
Uh, they informed us that there were no trains until the next week that we could take to poland
So we decided to go to the very same town or city
that the whole american embassy moved to of uh,
laviv
laviv and uh
We went there which is right next to poland and then the next day we just hopped on a tiny train that took us to
poland and and we got out of the country that way so
I guess maybe we inspired them
I like the the transition there, too
I remember just the night we came in how like dark it was how busy it was
I think there was like a a performing group like a bunch of students with instruments or something coming back from something
or going somewhere and then
The the smoke in the station is all from the coal
Um for the water heaters and the the trains themselves. They I think are electric
But each car is heated with coal or something
And uh, it was just so
It felt like I was going I was in like a parallel time or something. It was just felt very old
um, and and I remember buying
uh
Some soft drinks and some some stuff that this woman like microwaved like a pastry or something
yes, and uh and getting on our train eventually, but it was
It was really dark. I think when we were leaving that morning. Um
That's what i'm remembering just uh walking into this very very old train station
with the the rail cars the rail cars, I have a series of photos I I was able to capture the
the changing of the bogeys
Uh, that was a different trip though. The the belarusian border. That's yeah between belarus and poland. They do that. Yeah. Yeah
It's fascinating and probably probably between romania and ukraine. I would imagine. Yeah, I think so
They would probably have the same system. You remember that, uh, bob someone you took the train
Did they change the bogeys at some point?
Well, that's a note
Uh, I don't russian empire thing that
What they did is when they did the imperial of the time railroad
They did it the russians did it a bit wider
Right, so no one could invade the reason they did that is to prevent, uh foreign armies
traveling by train into the country, right in the
1800
And in case people are wondering the same track gauge is used in ukraine and in russia
So they won't have that trouble going into ukraine because it was indeed part of the soviet union when they did this
So they have the same track gauge, but if you were trying to invade it was part of the russian empire right then but yes
The the train tracks were never changed in the interim. Yeah, the gauge was never changed nor would they be they wouldn't be yeah
well
at this time
You're talking about
Thousands of miles of railroad that would need to be exchanged if someone decided to
Adjust to
Prevent this the surroundings they might prefer to be
in
But when when you took the train to kiev, do you remember?
Uh the point where they did that to the train cars
They lifted them up into the air and they changed the wheels underneath them. So they'd fit the new tracks. Yes, I do
That's uh, it's a lot. I recommend that for everybody
If it it happened after just after romania was over with
As the train was
Meaning after you got out of romania. Yeah. Okay. I see what you meant
Yes
Right, okay. Well bobson it's great talking to you as always and uh,
We look forward to uh next time and we look forward to seeing you at some point
Well same here have a great evening everybody thanks for the show
Yeah, keep listening and call back. We'd love to hear your uh dispatch from there
Oh, well, i'm sure the people on skype land mean to say good night, too. Yeah. Good night. There they are
Okay
All right, we'll talk to you again take care later
I always feel so energized after talking to bobson. It's um, it's almost more than I can bear
Well, you know the guy is is dedicated if nothing else I have to say I mean I appreciate his uh
His willingness to stay up to all hours of the evening
Yeah, alex i'll call you at 3 30 in the morning
We'll see how energized you are when when somebody from bulgaria wants you to call them, you know
I would love to you know
Unfortunately, my my lifestyle does involve getting up in the middle of the night and making phone calls to various
Places around the globe everything is a choice
I find it difficult to be awake at this hour to talk to you guys and i'm in this time zone. So
Okay, our phone number 802-321-4225 802-321-4225 and of course that spells hack
And uh, if you're out there you have something to say to us
Uh, it's our last show in a couple of weeks. So, uh, we'd love to hear from you any ideas for
uh, the hope conference or experiences with hacking or with technology thoughts on what's going on any part of the world or
Stories or questions or complaints?
That's what the phone line is for 802-321-4225
802-321-4225
While we're waiting for a phone call emmanuel, I I wanted I know this story would affect you
And so I was wondering if you have any uh feelings already about the uh, 363 overlay
That's uh, that's oncoming. That's uh, the new nassau county area code, right?
Absolutely
They're overlaying it over. What's now 516
Yeah, those those swine they took our area code and from suffolk county. We used to be 516
Uh, and now we're 631 and you know, we have a an overlay too, but I don't remember what it was
I don't know what our second area cut in suffolk county is
so that's uh
363 though. That's a better one than whatever we got. I know that I think nassau county is definitely getting preferential treatment
That's a 934 is the other one in suffolk. Well, you know your area codes, don't you? All right
Then name all the new york city metropolitan area codes, please
All right, two one two seven one eight nine one seven six four six. Yeah, I got started for you. Where the rest
I I could name them, but that would be gosh. They already have names. Oh, wow. Okay. All right, fine
um alex any input on area codes or
thoughts on them
I think you named all now, didn't you? No, I did not there are others you did. Yeah, nine two nine
There's another one. See nine two nine. Yeah. Oh god. Yeah all these new area codes, you know, I I don't like them
Three four seven look
I've named them all so far. I I think there's one other I think there's one other so
Maybe somebody can look that up
Well, how about this? How about you name all of the exchanges within two one two?
Okay, that doesn't make any sense because pretty much all the exchanges are exchanges everything that doesn't begin with a zero or a one
That sounds like a cop-out to me. No, that sounds that sounds like the right answer to me
We have a phone call. Good evening. You're on off the hook overtime. Go ahead
Hi, it's a bob from minneapolis had a couple of technical things and I just one
Thing of gratitude that we're going to have the whole conference. I will be there awesome
And and greetings to six one two area code
I am yeah, that's that's the coveted area code in my area. So it's actually minneapolis proper
so if you have the six one two area code you
You're kind of golden. Um, but but the two two technical things I wanted to talk about was you know
Alex talking about what I call deep fakes. It was he had some synthetic term
but I think if you use
You know like deep fakes because that to me that's what they really are
Um, depending on the nature of the deep fake there is no
You know quote unquote antivirus to kind of detect them
There is for like government documents really simple documents
But when you get into videos or other sorts of pictures, it really requires a human being to be able to look at it
The social media companies are investing millions of dollars in this and they're hiring ai
um people like mad to to try and fix this problem because they know that
If it gets out of control and the government's going to step in and that's the last thing
That they want, uh, and then my last comment is that amazon recently opened up the recordings that they have of people
Um off of alexa, but it's tied to your account
So it's not like wide open but you can log in and you can request
What alexa has picked up?
Um, they'll actually give you all of your data. The most interesting what for me was it was the alexa
uh recordings and there is no distinction between
You know voices in in the house, you know in the family it picks up children. It picks up
People saying all kinds of weird things. I mean, I find that you know, deeply disturbing
But there was also a great comedic value that was mixed in there from you know from recordings from my household anyway, but
but apparently they're never deleted and
I don't know why amazon's starting to open up unless it's my theory about
You know being regulated
Um, you know, so I find you know, I find that to be, you know, very interesting, but those are my two
two comments
Alex I think that was directed at you
Yeah, well I mean
I i'm not sure what what the question was was that the the fact that they aren't deleting these particular recordings
You know, is that is that a common practice?
Well, no, they were both just comments and I was just addressing, you know, alex's comment about
um being able to detect, you know deep fakes that it
As he stated correctly, you know, it's not to a place where it's automated
So human would have to look at it to be able to
make that determination and at that point you've opened up the disinformation can worms that
quickly gets out of control, but there really wasn't
Just contributing to the conversation. There wasn't really a a question in there
I see
It's interesting. You know
Yeah, okay
Yeah, I I think it's uh
I think it's a it's such an interesting space
Uh at the moment because
it it does seem like
the manipulation of these types of videos or um
Or or even audio files, right? I mean there are there are deep fakes that are completely audio based as well
um, and and apparently
I always wonder about whether or not this is true
Not that there was an incident a few years ago
In fact, which also leads me to believe maybe the technology maybe this is fake and i'm not sure but
In the context of a cyber liability claim is how this came up
but it was an incident of a deep fake that
Or i'm, sorry an audio
Fake so deep fake audio image that was used in the context of a business email compromise scam
so that in audio, uh recording, I believe it was of uh,
A german ceo of perhaps a uk subsidiary. I might be getting the uh, the the country's mixed up
Was then played to an employee
Uh and instructed the employee to make some kind of payment and the employee hearing that
that that audio fake
had then um
complied with the instructions and and sent as I guess it was several million dollars to
An account that was controlled by the fraudsters who had generated the deep fake audio
And I always wonder about this too because it's very hard
To to generate this type of thing on the fly
It's got to be recorded in a sense and and and presented in this scenario or situation
Where there aren't interactions with other human beings
Because there's just no way to do this. We don't have the computational power as I think right now to do this on the fly
so
Everything in a sense is is limited
by that
uh, but we're going to be but but I think that the underlying technology that could detect this is
is similar to the technology that
Relates to the detection of steganography
Or the use of steganography
So it's it's the detection of small shifts and bits and bytes that you would ordinarily see in a pattern
Relative to an ordinary wave file or an mp4 or something like that that can indicate that there's something wrong or there's something amiss
um, but
It doesn't seem like it works really consistently
At all, and I see rob has got some
some input here
Well the the joy of uh, these kind of systems from a oh my god
This is so insecure standpoint is that you don't always have to fool a human
Um, and sometimes you're going through a phone and a human can't pick out the uh subtleties that would flag
Something as fake anyway, but you just have to fool a machine a lot of the time
and uh, you know 30 30 some odd years ago the uh, the film sneakers came out and had somebody like
Splicing audio tape together to make that guy's uh audio greeting to get into his office
You know, my voice is my passport verify me and you know, that was funny back then but it still works like that
and I um
In in cases like where you could elect to have your bank account, um
Accept your voice saying some passphrase as security over the telephone to access your account
That's a computer listening to you and it's still very easy to fool a computer
Like take any of us on this on this show
For example, we've all got years and years and years of our recorded voices publicly available on the internet for anybody to splice together
Us saying whatever they want and uh, so like none of us should have that sort of thing enabled on our bank accounts
Um, and and that sort of thing is only getting better
um, it also reminds me of the soundboard pranks that we used to do, um, like with with soundboards, uh,
back in the 90s the 2000s, uh
People used to make prank calls with uh with like a screen full of arnold schwarzenegger clips of him saying things from his movies
And there were buttons to click all these different words and you could call someone up and click the buttons
And they would believe that arnold called them
And it you know hilarity ensued so these these are all very old concepts and they have not been sufficiently solved
Because as as the ability to pick out the fakes gets better the ability to create fakes gets better
And it's just machines fooling machines. I think for the most part
Yeah, but you know no matter how good it sounds there
There should be a common sense switch inside your head that says there's no way arnold schwarzenegger is calling me
Is that asking too much?
Maybe somebody really wants arnold to call them
They're willing to believe you know, uh caller though in in reference to uh, the whole alexa business
You can um, I learned this recently at any time. I imagine you've had your alexis device occasionally just
Start saying something to you, even though you never summoned her or him
um
And uh, you can always say alexis. Why did you do that?
And uh, she or he will explain the logic behind them responding to something that you didn't say
That's interesting I wonder because I only use it on the um fire stick
um, because I
well, I think that's how I
That's our entertainment source now, right? I mean I
Don't have conventional cable, but I was very afraid from the beginning
of the actual physical, uh, you know alexa
You know device I forget the dots or whatever they're called, you know, and I understand that they have the physical switch but
I just i'm very
So distrusting of of amazon. Um, I actually I can't say too much about this. I actually worked there for a while
Uh, and some of the things that they do, um
Are very interesting and that's probably that's probably all I could say without getting into a lot of trouble. Um,
Um
The fact that you're worried that you will get in trouble for even alluding to anything specific
From a place that you once worked. It sounds like you worked in like like organized crime or something
It would be great if you could at the conference
Maybe put a bag over your head or something and just give a talk as to some of these things because we're all fascinated
by them
Yeah, I I will definitely
um
You know consider that um, you know for sure. I mean, you know
You know anonymity, I mean, you know, I trust the conference but it's you know, you know anonymity and
In amazon, I know they have a deep breach somehow. Uh-huh. Yeah, they're good at finding people
Yes, they are
Any anything else from from minneapolis
I know. Oh, that was it. I just I normally because of scheduling conflicts can't
um
Well, you know do the overtime thing. Um, I
Listen to the uh off the hook
Um on uh on podcast, so it was a great pleasure to hear the full two hours tonight
I don't have any other comments glad you were able to call and uh, look forward to uh to seeing you at hope
Yeah coming in loud and clear from out there. Yep
All right. Stay warm. Awesome. All right. Yep. You too. Take care
There you go. Minneapolis. See bulgaria minneapolis. We're getting all the hot spots
All right. Um, go ahead. Who's uh, who's gala? Go ahead
Okay, I was just gonna say
six five one
Nine five two seven six three. Are you okay? Why are you spouting out numbers?
Those are the other area codes for the minneapolis. St. Paul. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, let's say them again
Six five one. Uh-huh. Seven six three. Uh-huh nine five two
You know, I don't want to offend anybody and I I really hope I don't but those are the worst area codes i've ever heard
Those are terrible area codes and they all three of them are are given to that state that region
Somebody doesn't like them somebody in north american numbering plan does not like minnesota
Seriously
I don't know that I disagree. I mean look two one two, okay
nine, two nine
Seven one eight nine one six. We've got I mean, you know two one two obviously is the best but
Uh, I beg your pardon they just
It's not nice 206 in the house. Yeah, that's seattle
What are your other areas out there 206 and oh, yeah, three six. Oh three six. Oh, yeah
Two five three. Okay one two five one two is austin, texas
Texas texas. What are you trying to pull here? Kyle? Just checking. All right
Five one two. Wow, are we a phone call?
Yes, okay good evening you're on off the hook overtime
Hi
How's it going?
Just called in. I I couldn't make out clearly what you were saying once we were connected on the phone
But I called in to give you the other new york city area code that you hadn't originally given
You will have no trouble understanding us on your fiber optic line as we are able to understand you crystal clear
Yes
Well, you left out three three two
Three three two never heard of that one. Where's that?
That's manhattan three three two is manhattan
Yep since 2017
Can someone verify that?
Team, can someone go out and verify that?
Yeah, you know no offense. Uh, we we believe you
But we have to have somebody in house verify this information before we can confirm it
It's it's protocol. Yeah, we'll get flagged on youtube. Yeah
All right, uh rob
What do you got rob? What do you got? Uh, aguila. Go ahead. Uh, yeah. No, we got it. Um
apparently
the earliest
date it could be
New new codes could be activated. It was 2017. Yeah, this is confirmed. It's confirmed overlay
Two one two six four six nine one seven and three three two
And three three two, how did I never hear that's a good area code? How did I never hear it's it's low numbers
Two of them are repeating
You're just on the top row of the touchstone
Uh dial and if you have a rotary dial, it's easy as pie to dial that three three two
It's almost as good as two one two
I never heard of this one
Alex you look you look you look
Completely perplexed two one two when everybody knows that two one two is new york city and nobody knows that three three two is
Yeah, I think that's that's exactly right. I don't think anybody knows that I really don't alex. You look very uh stunned
I am I I never have seen a number in the three three two area code. I I live in manhattan
Okay, that's the challenge someone someone find a phone number in it's like a an advertised phone number in three three two
You need to like my question. I wonder if you get an exchange in in three three two
We know of any exchange in three three two would be interesting
to call
uh three three two, whatever the exchange is plus nine nine oh one
And see if it it goes to a switch that gives you all of the exchange information
I'm, not sure that nine nine. Oh one is still something the phone company uses nine. I know one would identify the switches, right?
I'm, sorry
So I think a lot of them are still connect to a line a lot of them still
It's not something they do going forward exactly a lot of them still will give you a list of exchanges
Which is probably outdated, but I don't think when they you know install a new exchange
They they say oh, let's make sure the 9901 suffix is updated. I don't think they do that anymore
I wish they did because it's an awesome system
As as were many of the systems. Yeah
Just calling them. Okay. Alex is calling. What are you calling?
You're calling random three three two numbers now
five six seven five six three four seven two two four four eight five four four one nine and
two one eight
We missed
Okay, you're calling out on long island though, that's not that's not new york city
Yeah, that that was that was the save all dso in in long island. So yeah, I thought you were calling three three two or something
I don't know what a uh
Does anybody know an exchange in three three two?
Well, okay
If I had to guess I would say two two two would be the first exchange that would be used three three two
Two two two nine nine oh one try that see what you get
Yeah live phone hacking over
over youtube here
Channel 2600
The number and dial again or dial six one one forecast. Yeah, that one's right 209
Okay, why would they give 209 out? That's like a non-standard exchange. I don't know. I'm looking at I looked something up
And this is my favorite thing
The three three two area code is located in the state of new york and according to intellius data covers roughly zero phone numbers
Is the largest city in this area code with a population of about zero
uh-huh
See, this is this it kind of tracks of what I thought
Let's see what alex is getting here
It's ringing
No kidding
It seems like that might be a valid exchange though, so let's try 9970 and see if we get it
9970 is the always busy suffix. So if
Three two two zero nine nine nine zero one
When the world was that?
That that was a voice mailbox at the end of
three three two two oh nine nine nine one
Interesting. Okay. All right
You know, it's not connected to a switch. That's you know
Uh, it would be hilarious though. If that person put as their outgoing message a similar message about
Their telephone switch
Well, I think you have something to play with now numbers surrounding that particular number and maybe you can find a main number
That will say what that is and you can figure it out from there
Yeah, yeah, there's a there's a lot of exploring. I think in uh, the three three two area code
Look what you did call her just by telling us about this area code now. We're obsessed with it
Okay
Now you have to find a real life person who'll pick up
We're on it we're we're working on that right now
In fact, alex, if you leave a message on that voice mailbox and ask them to call you back
Then you can say who are you? Where are you? How did you get this number etc? And uh learn a lot more
I'd have a lot more questions than that
And i'm sure they would have their their uh series of questions as well for you and the authorities
Uh any any other? Uh, um thoughts caller before we go
Um
Not on anything that you've been discussing is the new fiber optic line working out, okay
I I guess so
You miss the old analog. There haven't been any
Outages. Well, yeah, that's true. But you miss the old analog hum line, right?
What the old damn analog hum line it used to have you know with the loud hum on it? Yeah
Well, that's because they didn't fix it. Mm-hmm
Because they wanted you to improve your phone quality, I imagine i'm hearing a little bit of crackling right now
Well, i'm unwrapping cellophane
No, you're not. No, don't tell her that
Why I always play with cellophane during the show, you know that
See there it is
That's different wait, that's a fire put that out put that out. Oh my god can't light up matches in the
You know jokes on them though. You should just turn around and start like just be an isp and
start selling, uh your own
You're reselling your your uh file
So I wonder if that's illegal in the 332 area card
You have a whole area card to play with get a whole bunch of phone numbers and give them out like candy
I mean and a subscription. I do have a question for you. Are
Are you able to go into the station and and do your show and take phone calls?
Yes, not as of now, uh, we hope soon it will be nice although, you know
I gotta say it's pretty convenient to be able to do it like this
But I I miss actually going out and and seeing people in person being in a different place
So maybe we can do a mix of both. Yeah, we're probably going to live in sort of a hybrid existence where um
We're able to be in either
Or both at the same time. Yeah, maybe both
And maybe people could be virtual as well or show up it's it's a little bit tricky just to um
Have such a large people like max headroom
those two but it's a little tricky because our show's among one of the larger shows and um,
The station the station though spacious is itself somewhat limited
It's large if you count the entourage which we can't bring everywhere and i've been trying to tell people this it's just
Even getting on the subway is a hassle
Uh, so we have to work out some compromises and we're you know, almost ready to do that
But it's also, you know, it's up to the kind of community at the station and uh, you know
what's best for the staff there and and um
We're certainly open to returning. We miss it as well. I miss getting coffee and hanging out
You do know they moved they didn't tell us where they went. That's there's that too. That's another challenge
Think about instagram
Couldn't you call your instagram account the?
2600. Uh-huh. And would you put would you put the in front of your name? Uh, if if say the irs
No, but i'm saying how would you feel if you had to change your name to suit them?
You see the
And my name. Yeah, I am the
Eleanor elizabeth foreman. Yeah, I I you know, unless that is something you like but uh, you know
Changing your name because a computer can't handle your name. It's not changing your name. It is change if you're adding things to your name
Well, we we decline we don't want to ornament our names in order to find you on the computer I put
2600.org
You add I had to add something
Dot org well, it's dot com but it is dot org as well and dot net because those are interchangeable
But the important thing is the 2600
You know and the same thing with the 2600. Okay. Okay, but how about this? How about
How about if you couldn't enter 2600.org you had to enter the 2600.org because because the internet couldn't handle a number
You know as a domain so it had to be you had to put a letter in there somewhere
It would be ridiculous and we'd have to we'd have to basically change our identity to suit them
And I just don't think we should have to putting the in front of your name. It's a big deal
Well, then we will always put a the in front of your name and see how you like it
You know, I used to think that human beings were adapted
Yeah, that's not gonna make us feel better we don't I don't think that's the reason they're doing it
uh
Look, we're just trying to get past
Their their obstinate bureaucracy of of no people and all computers that are saying no
I'm obstinate because because I want to preserve a name that we are look we file taxes with that name
Why can't we have an instagram account with that name? I'm, sorry
You have preserved the name not on instagram. We haven't it's the 2600
Why do people stand up for these corporations, I don't understand it. I don't look on twitter. It works perfectly
Never a problem on twitter. Eleanor. This isn't like you
Well, I think you're being devil's advocate you and alex could uh, open a business together just on how is it not like me?
Go ahead
I didn't I wouldn't feel like you would uh, you know
You would be with us on this and uh, you know instead of
This making this new name
By not letting yourself get on instagram and and
Putting out the things that can only go over in a pictorial manner. It is a choice
That trivial it is. Yeah, we are not self-censored, but it's it's just not playing the game. It's a non-starter
It's like wait a minute. We we can be on your platform if we change ourselves that is that is basically
Oh the the 2600 instagram account. Okay, you know what when you get wired to do that?
We'll go along. All right convince them then then we'll we'll see
Or time magazine or newsweek or whatever or nature, but they all get there. Everyone gets their name. It'll be nature. Yeah
It's not right. Yeah
How about we just say the is an illegal word
Rob one one very important point here
Is that they are telling us that we can't have 2600 because it's against the rules, but that's not the rules for everybody
I'm looking at an instagram page right now for something called 433, which is apparently a podcast about sports
And you know, we are not a podcast about sports
But why don't we get to have the same privileges that they have?
This is some uh, this is some big account with millions of followers
And they they don't have to be the 433 and they got money to follow those because because they're a number
Yeah, because numbers are cool. All right, i'll say it. I'm not i'm not ashamed
And I think I think this also is really just a way for instagram to
um
throw a a kind of
uh
Kind of opaque little rule there and and and really not get it at what they may or may not have a problem with
Which is more along the lines I think of the subject matter the kinds of things we talk about the things maybe that um
You know, we critique in some of these companies. I have a feeling maybe that is part of this on a deeper level
But it allows them excuse me. I'm talking go ahead
It allows them to sidestep it
Put this in front of it and not even uh, not even allow us in the first place
You know what?
I think the irony is I don't think it's that I think nobody there knows what's going on because
You can never reach a person there and I think any almost anybody who works there can say oh
This is what you want. Sure. No problem this
You know type in something or throw a switch and that's it
It's that simple, but you can't reach anybody to get them to do that. They just have this weird ass rule
They claim that's the rule. There's no reason for it
And we can't even get to a point where somebody will justify it. It's just text on a screen. That's all it is
Alex I think you had something to uh contribute here. Let me let me jump in here and um,
And and also just uh act as a as a slight reminder
Of what you had said during the show
Uh, and I think during over time too, and i'm i'm on eleanor's side here, by the way
I'm not surprised coming to the rescue not surprised at uh, just just giving you a preview
if I recall correctly emmanuel you were going on about how
You know because it's their platform they have the right to kick people off they have the right to regulate the content
They have the right to determine
What it is that we see and and shouldn't see they do. Yes
Harmful and not harmful to us. Yes
But and so but by necessary implication then a what we would call in the law
an a40ri
Argument by necessary implication then don't you think that they would have the much smaller right to their own?
technical
And and seemingly insignificant naming convention for users. Yeah, but see it's not technically impossible
They want us to think that or they want us to accept that but we want to actually hear them talk about the other stuff
Yeah, we'd love that to be on record. But this this little technical hurdle of numbers
They're they're having difficult with numerals arabic numerals
Uh, that system is complicated for them in their naming scheme. Don't say arabic numerals gets them nervous
Oh, you're right. Yeah, you know if you ask people
No, if you ask if you ask parents at a pta meeting should arabic numerals be taught in schools, they will say no try it
It's a lot of fun
But uh, alex, no, you're right that I did say that I did say that and I mean that they have the right to do it
But we have the right to complain about it. We have the right to say this is you know
This is ridiculous and we want our name. That's all
That's the right to be as inconsistent as you want. I agree
I don't think it's being inconsistent at all
and I I think you know if you were a decent lawyer, you'd send a cease and desist to them and uh,
And we'd get somewhere. I agree with eleanor self-censoring over a
Minor technical configuration. I've never heard of anything. So ridiculous. I am self-censoring right now my reply to you. How about that?
Yes, eleanor great to hear from you and uh, we will hear from you again, hopefully soon and um,
Thanks for the uh exchange or area code. Yes, a valuable bit of information was learned here tonight. You've opened doors
Thank you. All right. Take care
All right. Uh, you know what? Um, i'm not gonna give the phone number out again
And i'll just say uh, if the phone rings in two minutes, we'll pick it up
It'll be the last call. But if not, then we're just gonna slink out of here because it is late and uh,
We have other things to do. Um, yeah, but um
I don't know. I'd like to I'd like to see some some changes in the way things are done
It's uh, it's only fair and the only way you get things done is if you complain we all know that
Or challenge
Or ask questions the challenge and yeah ask sometimes painful hard difficult
Questions like the proverbial three-year-old always asking why why why why but why?
Why why damn it?
And that's when he gets sent to your room
Uh, okay. Well, you know i'm gonna i'm gonna give people the opportunity to have closing remarks assuming that we are done
um
Anyone
I was playing around with some stuff off mic while that exchange was going on earlier and I did find a 332 number that works
That is active. Don't give out the number but tell us something about it
It is a taco bell. Are you serious a taco bell has a 332? Yes. Can you tell us one of the one of the very few?
Uh, 332 numbers that I found on the web in you know, admittedly a cursory search is a taco bell in manhattan
It's in manhattan. Okay. Wow
Yeah
Here's the thing with such a cool area code
I imagine you can probably get any number you want almost so, uh, maybe we should try to do that
3 3 2 2 2 2 2 6. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah
This is the last call, but let's make it quick
Uh, good evening. You're on off the govertime. You're the last call. Go ahead
Hello
You know what that counts they hung up that counts nice try
Yeah, that was the last call a for effort and it was it was you know, it was a comment of sorts
All right, maybe they missed i'll give them one more chance
But that's it
Okay, one more chance last call. What's on your mind?
Anyone there?
No
You do it twice. It's not a mistake anymore
So you can call back a thousand times and we're not going to pick up do not look directly into the bright light
All right, who was uh, gila go ahead
I I did have a thought because I was looking at my um missed calls
and I got a
Obviously a junk call that I didn't pick up
But it was from the area code that my cell phone is in and the prefix on the call was 9-1-1
Which I thought was very interesting which is of course not a technically, uh, not one that
An actual exchange, but at the same time it was making me think about 10 digit dialing
and how
We don't even a lot of places don't even think about it anymore
But places where there's really only been one area code and there are not overlays and people are still seven digit dialing
Is fascinating and how much easier it might be for people to fall for a junk call
with a 9-1-1
interchange
If you're 10 digit dialing
Yeah, that's what I thought about yeah, I don't understand why we need the one anymore
I I really don't get that if we're if everybody is doing 10 digit dialing or 11 digit dialing at this point
I mean, I I only found out that fairly recently 516 in nassau county was still using seven digit dialing
I didn't think anybody still did that
but um
I'm assuming that there aren't any more but there might be maybe i'm wrong
but if there aren't then we don't need the one anymore, so
Let's start the campaign to abolish the one
I'm all for that
Save a little bit of time and and that time can be spent on other more important things
Yeah, we're gonna still keep one one, right plus one one. What's plus one one? Well the international dial
We need it for international. Who told you it's plus one one. Oh, isn't it plus?
Oh one one or when's the last time you called overseas? What is it? It's plus oh one, you know
I'm not gonna tell you i'm not gonna tell you it's it's plus
It'll keep you from dialing expensive calls and uh, you need to you need to learn plus one or it's oh one
Okay, then the you're partially right the number
But the way things are are spelled out internationally. It says plus country code, right?
Because they don't know what country you're in
So, you know in europe you dial zero zero to get to go overseas and then that's the plus then they well
It's on your cell phone. It's a plus exactly and that's what you would do on a cell phone
You you hold down the whatever button it is that makes a plus show up a long hold
Yeah, and and and um if you're dialing from a landline and in europe
It's zero zero the country code and and phone number and our country code happens to be one
So it looks like they're dialing the one that we dial before area codes. It's a different one, but it looks the same
Uh in our case, we dial zero one one zero. I was right
No, you weren't you said one one. You said plus one one zero one one is what you call
I corrected myself. All right, we we have this on recording and there's a time stamp and and yeah
That'll be an inquiry
Zero one one country code and and city code and number and then pound sign
That's the way you used to be able to do it
So i'm just saying we can't totally abolish the one we're gonna need it
You need the one for other things, but i'm saying the one in front of the area code for domestic calls
Yeah, no, i'm fine with that. And by the way, we don't really have a country code because we share it with canada
So there we don't even have a country code. How do you like that?
Did anybody else have any closing statements before we go completely nuts here?
No, alex anything from you
No, I think it was a fun overtime appreciate everybody calling yeah, I gotta go um installing some radar arrays
Oh, we're doing that. Okay. Yeah
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And we are not picking that up
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