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And a very good evening to everybody.
The program is Off the Hook.
Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening, joined tonight by Kyle.
Hello, hackers.
Good evening.
Bernie S.?
Greetings from Philadelphia.
Wow.
You sound really good.
And Jim's over there in the cheap seats.
And you sound great on our new cable line, Bernie.
Oh, well, it's the Time Warner Voice over IP.
Well, hey, it would probably still sound better over a Verizon plain old telephone system
line, but this is better than a cell phone.
It's better than nothing.
So just remember that, folks.
Everything you hear is better than nothing.
And we like to keep it different.
It's good to have variety.
And we like that sort of seasonal change with everything.
It's like a wine pairing or something.
Yeah.
Or a rainy day in September where the seasons are changing.
And we're seeing that right in front of us.
It goes well with cable VoIP.
Yes.
My favorite.
Shall we get right into it?
Okay.
Well, you know, the debate happened on Monday.
Some of you may not be aware of it, but I think we all are aware of it.
And certain remarks were made.
Certain comments were said.
And there was one comment in particular that kind of stuck in my craw.
Where's someone's craw?
Does anybody know what that is exactly?
I can find out.
Just keep going.
I'll find out.
Don't visit Wikipedia again.
You've worn out.
You're welcome over there.
No, no.
I have credit there.
They're charged.
It's half off this week.
All right.
Well, what happened was a certain candidate who shall remain nameless said that perhaps
the person hacking various entities in this country was 400 pounds and sitting on a bed.
And that's basically offensive things like that that are not really suited for a presidential
candidate to be making.
It's just why say such hurtful and disparaging things about other people?
Well, of course, we know why.
It's genetic.
You can't help it.
But, you know, it got a bunch of us thinking that this has gone on long enough.
This guy is just telling one tall tale after another.
And, you know, I don't want to even get into the other candidates and their faults.
And, yeah, everyone has faults and some people are nasty and not trustworthy and all that.
But this in particular is something that we decided, you know, it's time this just stops.
And so today we issued with ease with with ease.
Yeah.
It was not hard.
Well, no, it wasn't hard.
After that.
It was.
Yeah, it was kind of unanimous.
But if we issued a fat, not fat, it's not the word I'm looking for.
No.
Should I not use that?
That was last.
That was the other week.
Well, a challenge, perhaps a bounty, a puzzle.
He basically said over Twitter that we would give ten thousand dollars, 10,000 U.S. dollars
to the first person who gets us a first look at Donald Trump's tax return.
And boy, the Twitter verse exploded.
Wow.
And we're practically a trending topic now.
Everyone wants a piece of this, apparently.
And people think it's a great idea.
I sound like Trump now.
Well, somebody had to step up.
I think everybody's waiting.
And there wasn't really a definitive action that anybody really wanted to leap at.
And we left.
We grabbed the ring.
Well, it got personal.
You know, when you start making disparaging remarks about hackers in certain ways, it's
it's not going to be received well.
So and why refute it?
I mean, it's so common for people to go back and try to explain things and try to.
No, we don't need to get into any of that.
Let's just show what we're going to do.
Mm hmm.
Well, and also, you know, even without the remark, I think and I think I'm not alone
in thinking this, that in some cases the truth needs to be told.
And we've we've gotten a fair share of criticism already from people saying, oh, my God, you're
encouraging people to break the law.
You know, the Boston Tea Party would have gotten you locked up.
That was probably a felony back then.
And all kinds of of acts throughout history that were for the betterment of mankind in
one way or another were illegal at the time.
Now, we're not even saying go and break into a system, go and break the law to get this
information.
But what we are saying is that sometimes one act might appear to be something that is is
wrong, but it actually is for the greater good.
And it turns out it's a it's a courageous act.
And dammit, people have the right to know just what they might be getting themselves
into.
And and not revealing that information, I think, is by far the bigger crime.
But, you know, it's also entirely possible to get this information without breaking any
law.
How?
Well, first of all, Trump himself can release that information.
And there's an easy 10 grand right there.
Give it to us.
You got 10 grand from us.
He's money grubbing.
He'll he'll he'll go for that.
Right.
Any of Trump's kids.
If you release this information, it's a good chunk of change you probably won't get from
your dad anytime soon.
Yeah.
You don't have to tell him about it either.
You don't have to.
We'll protect that.
That we will take that information to the grave, which may come a lot sooner than we
were anticipating.
But yeah.
Well, the thing is, as journalists, we do protect our sources.
We have in the past.
We will in the future.
Oh, that's for real.
And we even gave out our PGP key.
So we're serious.
Yeah.
Oh, it's official.
You can get.
Yeah.
About this.
Yeah.
So there's all kinds of of of methods.
It's it's basically about leaked information that is is pertinent and something that the
American people have a right to know.
But we need to get the information before November 8th, obviously, for this to have
any any bearing whatsoever.
Bernie, what do you think about all this?
I think it's a great, great prize.
The tax return would be the best prize.
But I, like you, had a good laugh when I heard Donald Trump say during the presidential debate
the other night.
They were talking about cybersecurity.
The question from the moderator was about cybersecurity.
Yeah.
And, you know, Bernie, we've been run through the ringer with this campaign cycle.
I mean, hackers have been brought up more in this political run up than we have ever
seen.
Yeah.
Well, it's true.
It's true.
Everybody knows it.
Everybody knows it.
Why not?
Hillary was criticizing Donald Trump, the other candidate for inviting the Russians
to hack into the D.N.C., hack into the, get Hillary's emails.
But Trump said that he didn't think, quote, anybody knows it was Russia that broke into
the D.N.C.'s computers.
And he said, quote, it could be Russia, but it could also be China.
It could be lots of other people.
It could also be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds.
That was funny.
But it plays, of course, to the stereotype of somebody who'd be sitting on their bed
with a laptop would weigh 400 pounds.
Well, it wasn't that funny, though.
I mean, you know, if you're doing a comedy routine and maybe that's your punchline somehow,
OK.
But this is a guy running for president to have to have to say things like that and to
disparage people for one reason or another, you know, if he had said this, it could be
a 12 year old kid.
OK, you know, that at least is saying, wow, kids are really bright.
Like, you know, he said about his his his young son.
But he didn't mean this in a complimentary way.
He meant it to to tear people down.
And he's so good at tearing people down.
Thing is, people have to stop believing his opinion means anything at all.
And that kind of deflecting is exactly the kind of attitude the Russians have had.
Posture, even today with MH 17 report, same kind of deflecting and questioning.
And while it might not be true, it could be over here, it could be over there.
Who knows? Really?
I mean, gosh, it's so confused.
All right. All right. All right.
We get it. Yeah. Yeah.
This could go on all day.
Well, so that's that's where we are right now.
So we have issued this challenge.
We'll see what happens. We will continue to report on it.
And as we as we mentioned on Twitter, we will pay ten thousand dollars to the first person
who gets us the the tax return that Donald Trump is not willing to release.
The first person gets that to us before it gets anywhere else.
And it's got to be before November 8th.
You know, there's a lot of it's a tall order.
And it's it's it's not going to be that easy unless you already have it, you know,
unless you already have access to it.
And then it's just a question of it being leaked.
We're not encouraging people to do anything illegal, but sometimes laws are broken,
as I said, for the greater good.
It's something to keep in mind.
But we definitely don't want anybody to take risks.
So if if if you don't know what you're doing, don't do anything stupid.
That's that goes without saying.
I don't think I should have to say it, but I am saying it.
And this is this is journalistic and investigative work that I think a lot of people
they've really pushed for.
And I think sometimes you have to appeal to what is possible outside of those official
channels and so on.
So if there's any possibility that someone forgot they they maybe have a copy of it and
it's it's under their hustlers or wherever under some other reading material or buried
away in a trunk, by all means, now's the time it timing is critical.
Maybe you work in an accountant's office and lo and behold, you have a famous client
and and a trashed file someplace that you can recover.
Who knows?
I don't know.
It's possibly in a dumpster someplace.
We just wouldn't want it to go forgotten in time.
It would be a terrible loss.
And for God's sake, we have to do something.
All right.
And as I said, I didn't say this, so I'm trying to say this.
It's it's an amount payable in U.S. dollars, Bitcoin or rubles.
Yes.
Rubles are not a problem.
We'll get we'll get the rubles somehow.
I know we've got a lot.
I don't know how we're going to get the 10 grand, but we'll do that, too, if we if we
have to.
But it'll be worth it.
I'll I'll put up my own rubles.
Yeah.
Got some rubles lying around.
I got a lot of rubles.
Very quickly, because we have a special guest coming on in a moment and we have some some
fun things to do this hour.
There was speaking of the debate, there was a bit of a kerfuffle at Hofstra University
where unbelievable price gouging was taking place.
Yes. You heard about this, right?
I did. This was really, really pretty awful.
And it made me think of some of the events we've done.
Hope comes to mind.
I mean, if this kind of precedent is set in
direct contradiction of the previous precedent that we reported on on this very program
talking about Marriott sending out packets to disconnect people
from their own personal Wi-Fi.
Unless they use the Wi-Fi that the exact venue provides.
They were they were running a hostile network and preventing people from using
alternate sources.
So it's it is now coming up that now they didn't
they told people and they were a lot more gentle at Hofstra.
But it was definitely the same idea that you have these in these places,
events, venues.
They have infrastructure, a certain amount of infrastructure.
And then a big event like this comes to town.
They need obviously a lot because there's gonna be a lot of people there, reporters and so
on and so forth. That then looks to the institution like it's a money making
thing. Go on.
I mean, it's really fascinating because this is just a chip at that ruling.
It's I mean, there's not much to say.
Basically, we're charging two hundred dollars for a secure wireless Internet connection
basically to connect to a network.
Two hundred dollars. And it didn't stop there.
One hundred fifty dollars to rent a lamp.
Yes, that was quoted.
I mean, this is a university.
They should they should treat people a little bit better than that.
And I'm kind of shocked that they would do that.
I don't think they should get another debate.
I think they should move someplace else.
Maybe maybe another university out east.
And I think this flies in the face of the spirit of an information society.
This I mean, I get that they have paid to create whatever kind of infrastructure they
have. But come on, you're having all these people here.
Why would you even want to risk press like that?
You should just open it all up and say, look, come debate, have discussion.
Here's some information. Here's a resource to do your reporting, to do all of that.
We're not going to charge this weekend.
That would be a much better spirit, I think.
Yeah. And the spirit of a university and rethinking education and all that.
Yeah. Yeah. And debate and discussion and getting the message out.
What would you want to be known as the money grubbing institution?
I've said money grubbing twice tonight that charged everybody to do reporting on these
things or the institution that set up a venue to have this this discussion thrive.
Yes. Well, so tonight's episode of Shame on You is dedicated to Hofstra University and
well, they should refund the money and apologize.
They should. Do you agree, Bernie?
Absolutely. Give the money back.
OK, well, that's that's all we want.
Yeah. And I just as so we we run our own network and we bring in infrastructure and we
have a great relationship with the venue.
And I would really hate for the spirit of working with people that are that are
visitors. You're bringing in a lot of business for an exhibition center or something
like that to have to confront that as an organizer.
I know we're going to be talking about an event tonight that probably also has to
negotiate some of these things.
And for venues to not accommodate and not share the spirit of what needs to get done,
but rather just add on more things that they can basically fleece people through, I
think is really it's terrible.
And it's something that we'll work around to also to the grave.
Well, yeah, it's also something that simply can't be allowed to be precedent.
If this goes unremarked, if we weren't talking about this right now tonight, this
would become normal and you'd see it in all venues.
You'd see it at debates.
You'd see it at gatherings of all sorts.
Yes. There's a real danger in remaining silent about something like this.
So when you see this kind of fleecing going on, speak up and prevent it from becoming
the norm. Yeah. And the distinction here is that they were talking to people directly
and encouraging people not to use it.
There was not a a malicious software or network based strategy to mitigate people using
their own resources. So that's that's the distinction here between the real the ruling
that we looked at. You could get thrown out if you were caught using an unauthorized
network. Yeah. And in the Register article that I was reading, it talked about some
device that they're walking around with a sort of a frequency counter device or
something that just basically shows all the public, the the SSIDs that are advertising
in an area. So they were basically finding people and approaching people saying, this
is our policy. We'd like to ask you to do this.
And they are reserving the right to throw people out.
That's pretty crappy.
Like, that's really bad.
Don't do that. What if Hillary Clinton had brought her own device with her that was
connecting to an independent network?
Would they have thrown her out? It doesn't.
Why would everyone? You wouldn't have to broadcast the SSID.
It could be. That's true.
You could hide it. No, that's very true, Bernie.
You're absolutely right. But you you can't take what is in many parts of the world
becoming a human resource, have an event and say you can't use this particular human
resource. I can't even draw a parallel.
Like if there was a radio convention and you told a bunch of broadcasters they couldn't
talk. I don't know what what do you I don't know how that.
It's. You're right, they have no jurisdiction over the RF spectrum and the use of it.
However, they can put whatever they want in a contract that the vendors or participants
sign to get in.
But if you didn't sign anything to come in, I don't think they can throw you out.
There therein lies the danger, Bernie.
It's that becomes normal in those kind of contractual negotiations.
It's going to be a lot met with a lot of resistance from our community.
Thing is, it's it's a privilege to be able to host something like this.
And that should have been enough.
And instead of trying to price gouge everybody in and just take the whole thing, which
is a wonderful event.
Otherwise, when operate like you're just dealing with a bunch of indebted students, you
know, back to school. All right, let's rip them off.
Get it going. I mean, come on.
Yeah, I guess they're in that mode.
And yeah, they're lied it to the general.
They're like, oh, this is like a big meal card, right?
OK. All right.
Speaking of the electromagnetic spectrum, there was an event today that was rather
historic. In fact, it hasn't happened for five years.
Bernie, perhaps you'd like to share with the folks what happened.
Oh, yeah. FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, conducted a nationwide
emergency alert system test or EAS.
And this is a system that allows the president of the United States or some other
very high ranking federal official to Washington or wherever, I guess you can do from
anywhere, announce something that will go out over all radio, radio and TV stations,
including cable, cable TV channels, even satellite channels.
It's supposed to it's supposed to work here.
That's what the test is supposed to be.
This is supposed to be like the ultimate warning message from on high.
And it happened today at two twenty p.m.
Eastern Daylight Time. Did you get a chance to listen to any stations playing it?
Yes, actually, I saw a couple of these on the television and it was it was from a it
said, I think a primary source or primary outlet.
I don't know what it was. It was some kind of distinction.
But as you said, it comes from sort of a central authority, primary authority of sorts
that then distributes the message.
And it went off over several different channels.
We did notice a couple of things.
I was looking at it with you and it seems like everybody has a different EAS box and
then they get to select a couple of default colors and a couple of basic settings.
They get to pick their color.
They get to pick their font.
They get to pick actually the message that is that is stated there.
But they play a recording and I think the recording was the same for everybody.
But that's what makes it kind of interesting.
First of all, Channel 13 here in New York, they completely failed.
They just had like a second of something, a little bit of a tone and then nothing.
And most of the other stations, I didn't see every station, but they seem to pretty
much get it. Some stations didn't turn their audio down.
So you heard Tuvoit, you heard a commercial and then you heard some guy saying this is
an EAS test, a nationwide EAS test.
Another message said this is an emergency alert system test for the following
counties, United States, which I thought was pretty funny.
But the thing that really got me was I was watching one of the Spanish channels and
that went across fine.
Everything was correct, except it wasn't in Spanish.
It was in English.
And I have to wonder if there is some kind of an emergency, is it going to be an
English only emergency?
Have they not planned for this?
That's silly.
The answer, Emmanuel, the answer to your question is it's distributed in both English
and Spanish and the individual stations get to choose which language it is.
But those are the only two languages distributed in.
But why on earth would a Spanish station not choose Spanish to broadcast an emergency
alert system test?
This is what a good test is for.
It's to find out if this works right and if you screwed up.
Obviously, the people running the Spanish station screwed up by playing the English
message instead of the Spanish message.
I noticed a mistake here in Philadelphia.
Yeah, well, an LPFM, low power FM station that I'm involved with as a volunteer.
I was someone there, someone there, WPPM, LP, they screwed up.
They broadcast the tones.
But after the tones, instead of the audio of the warning message, which is supposed
to get from another radio station's signal, you know, that's how it's supposed to work.
It's supposed to be a hand-me-down thing from a different station.
Instead of that, it wasn't tuned properly.
So all I was hearing is like FM radio background noise after the alert tones.
And then after about a minute of, you know, just like a badly tuned radio kind of
noise, then the end tones came on.
And so obviously they need to tune their EAS receiver to the nearest station to get the
audio. This is how we learn.
I would venture to say the Spanish speaking station you were talking about, E, probably may
have been owned, had a parent company that was maybe not Spanish.
It was Univision.
OK, I don't know.
Local Univision affiliate, I think, Channel 41.
OK. And then my second theory would be perhaps the engineering people are not native
Spanish speakers and didn't even consider what you were saying is quite obvious.
Quite possible.
To most people. Why wouldn't you not do that?
Now, I didn't monitor radio at all.
I can't receive BAI where I am, unfortunately.
So I wasn't able to tell how we did.
But maybe people listening in the area, they can report back to us and tell us how.
The thing is, if an EAS alert went out right now, we wouldn't know about it.
And that's that's one of the major failings, I think, of this of this system, because
most radio stations broadcast in delay all the time.
So you're not you're not actually listening to the air signal.
And EAS only goes out over the air.
It doesn't go on the stream.
If you're listening to a radio station on tune in or something, you probably won't
hear it. But if you're listening, if you're listening to the actual FM or AM signal,
then you will hear it. But the person behind the microphone, i.e.
us, we don't hear that.
So we could be just talking away while there's some kind of commotion going on.
And while the listeners might know about it, ironically enough, we don't.
Well, maybe in the future station, we'll have a better ability to monitor what's going
on over air. It's not the station.
We can't because we're in delay.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Bernie, do you have any solution for that?
Well, there's supposed to be EAS equipment at.
In fact, I know there is at the transmitter site at the 81st floor of the Empire State
Building. So, you know, it receives a signal and then it gets the audio from another
radio station through an FM receiver.
And and then it rebroadcasts it only with special tones from for your area.
So, you know, it's not something you're going to notice in the studio.
Yeah. But don't you think the person who's broadcasting should be aware of of all the
craziness that's going on outside instead of just talking to a microphone while
something else is going out over the radio?
It just seems like that's a system that's that's implemented nationwide that could be
done a little bit better. A lot of most radio stations, I think, are broadcasting a
delayed signal. So you're not actually listening to the air signal.
Well, there can be a visual alert, you can have a sign that lights up in your studio
saying EAS test happening.
That would be nice. Yeah, we have a sign that says the microphone is on.
So maybe a sign saying, hey, Donald Trump just launched a nuke or something.
I don't know. Hey, we have to we have to move on.
We have a lot to talk about tonight, a lot to do.
And this weekend coming up once again, believe it or not, the time is really, really
flown. It's Maker Faire.
It's World Maker Faire again taking place at the old stomping grounds of near the
World's Fair in Queens.
Sherry Huss, the coordinator, is joining us again on the phone.
Sherry, welcome. Great, thank you.
Good to be here. I can't believe how many how many is this now?
This is our seventh Maker Faire in New York, which is great.
And, you know, probably even the better news is that it's one of 200 Maker Faires
around the world this year, which is actually even better news.
It's like you said, 200.
That can't be right. I did say 200.
We don't produce them all, but we have a producers network.
And actually, this weekend alone, there are 10 Maker Faires in addition to Maker World
Maker Faire in New York.
There is a Maker Faire in Berlin, which is great.
There's one in Austria.
There's one in Taiwan.
There's one in San Diego.
The wonderful thing is we've created a playbook.
We've activated the community and we've kind of enlisted producers.
And the great thing is they're taking making out into their community.
And that's pretty cool.
So for the people that maybe have never heard of this before and they're getting fewer and
fewer every year, what is a Maker Faire?
What is it all about?
You know, I think Maker Faire at its core, it's this newfangled county fair that pulls
together people and people bring their projects.
They, you know, it's community coming together and it's sharing.
And whether it's electronics or food or crafting or drones or Maker Health, which is a
new area for us this year, it's people that like to create and make that come and share
and get other people inspired to do so.
It's a it's a fair.
It's a annual occurrence.
It's incredible to me just how how it's grown, how big it's gotten.
What's the average attendance at the World Maker Faire?
You know, the World Maker Faire, we're just a little shy of about 100,000, which is great.
Our four biggest fairs are Bay Area, which is about 150,000, 160,000 over three days.
Maker Faire Rome, which is in two weekends.
And that's definitely over 100,000, like 150,000.
Wow.
And then Maker Faire Shenzhen.
So Rome, Bay Area, New York and Shenzhen are the four largest Maker Faires.
And I don't even know where Shenzhen is.
I know it's in China, but I don't know where it's in China.
How is it right over the by the water?
Oh, you know, I was at Maker Faire Shenzhen last year and they had it was a free event.
So that actually helped in kind of like a downtown area.
And Shenzhen is really surreal.
It's it's a city that's new.
And so there's, you know, like each day you come out of your hotel and it's like, wow, there's a whole new skyscraper there.
But it was it was definitely it was almost close to 200,000.
A city that's new.
That city didn't exist a bunch of years ago.
Well, it used to be an old fishing community.
It's across the bay from Hong Kong.
But what's happened is like I've never been in a city like there's definitely not a city like in the U.S., maybe Vegas, where all the buildings are new and tall skyscrapers.
I see.
Like, I can't it's hard to get your mind around it.
But it's a very interesting and very important city for folks that are manufacturing or, you know, taking products out or prototyping.
So a lot of that that that's kind of the nucleus there.
Well, OK, so rather than Shenzhen, we should probably be talking about the one coming up here.
New York. Exactly.
Yes. If you had to say something unique about the New York Maker Faire, the World Maker Faire, what do you think that would be?
You know, I think there's a few things this year.
There's a whole new area in kind of like new fabrication.
And I think Kickstarter is going to actually have a really interesting piece.
They've pulled together some of their some of their new they're calling it kind of like the Kickstarter Future Fab Lab.
And they'll have a really interesting showing of makers.
There's a company called Laser that has a desktop water jet that cuts through like different materials from, you know, titanium to carbon fiber.
And I think it's fairly inexpensive for a water jet.
And that's happening.
They have, you know, like other machines, like a laser cutter and engraver and a whole host.
So kind of seeing how that like kind of the new age or the next generation of desktop fabrication, which is great.
We have a whole area on maker health, which I'm pretty excited about.
And bioengineering and a couple of folks are spearheading this area.
We'll have sessions as well as well as we'll have exhibits.
So Jose Gomez Marquez, kind of from the maker health labs, will be there.
This group was involved in maker nurses and getting maker spaces and hospitals.
And then we have some biohacking and bioengineering.
And actually, a woman helped us, Crystal Gordon out of Washington, D.C., actually helped us.
She's got making in the kind of the DIY bio front here.
So I'm excited about that.
We have some making for good and everything from, you know, kind of like a global perspective of people like Enable and folks that are using technology to take them into kind of developing areas, as well as even something like making for good here in New York and the Bronx.
A gentleman by the name of Steven Ritz has something called the Green Bronx Machine, which I have to tell you, I'm so amazed I met him at Maker Faire in Washington, D.C.
And he's getting kids and kind of a not a great neighborhood to start thinking about life and the world through food, growing it, watching it.
He's got hydroponic farms and gardens.
And I think even more incredible, he's figured out that.
Actually, he can how to how to actually take the parents food stamps and buy healthy food and vegetables, and he said, you know, he can actually get by kids giving them good food, they can start thinking and acting and being better and more participatory as they grow up.
So that's pretty cool.
We've got some maker ingenuity things like Lise Lothoff, who's the creator of MacGyver, is actually going to be there.
And we've got to talk a little bit about some MacGyver secrets.
We have actually Grant Imahara from Mythbusters, the old Mythbusters, going to be there on Sunday, kind of talking to us, just like Adam Savage that's been talking to the folks.
Adam always gives a Sunday sermon in the Bay Area.
It's kind of great to see Grant here, 11 o'clock on Sunday, talking to our audience as well.
NYU ITP, another favorite, Tom Igoe and folks, I don't know if you're tracking what those guys are doing, but he's got his students there and they've got kind of a whole group of ITP experiments that will be up on the upper balcony of the Great Hall.
So in addition, Tom founded like with the Arduino team, so Massimo will be here.
Tom's part of that team and he's got kind of a book on kind of the Arduino projects and making things talk.
And education, which has actually been really kind of core of what we're doing and why I'm so excited about Maker Faire, just getting kind of kids inspired from a young age.
And so we have a make education forum on Friday, trying to get maker spaces into schools.
And then throughout the weekend, we have a whole host of things.
And I could go on and on.
I mean, we still have things like, you know, again, probably shouldn't tell me to stop, but you know, our BioBus, Ham Radio folks, Raspberry Pi folks, all that's going to be there.
Hands-on, still really important to us.
So learning to solder, Google's a sponsor of that.
In addition to that, Google's bringing some new projects and different things out of their labs and sharing it, which is great.
And I'm most excited.
We actually have a new sponsor called Burns-O-Matic, which is like, how great is that?
That is like a perfect maker sponsor.
So they're going to be there with Burns-O-Matic torches.
So everything from food to crafting to soldering.
I'm pretty excited about that one.
Brand new for us.
Intel announced and they launched a Juul board.
So they'll be talking about that, but they also bring with them some pretty interesting makers.
And I kind of have really appreciated Intel's spirit over the years that they've not only they'll be bringing kind of the DJ community with Bud Rumble and DJ Qvert and a few other folks, because they're kind of getting kids interested in electronics through music, which is great.
Yeah, we know there's a lot of hacker musicians in the community.
It's been really exploding.
Yeah, I have to say, like, this is just a side note, but the spirit of and again, I would never consider myself being in kind of that DJ community.
Just again, I'm not sure why, but I have to say, I so love them.
I love their spirit.
They approach community the same way that makers do, and they fit in so wonderfully.
It's just like amazing.
It's just it's beautiful.
And even in a few of them that I've met, they actually take and teach science and engineering and computer science and that to kids in school.
So their spirit's right there.
That's really great.
That's really cool to hear.
Wow.
I'm a little concerned because all these things you're listing.
Is there enough space?
I know.
Is there enough space?
Yeah, I think we're good with space.
I mean, we could all I mean, we can I mean, like, again, maker spirit, we can expand and contract.
I thought you're going to say you're concerned about the weather, which I'm concerned to.
Trust me, I'm going every.
We're watching closely.
This is the first one, I believe, that's been held in October, but it's only the first two days of October.
So it could have easily been September.
But yeah, the weather forecast does say there's a there's a chance of rain.
But, you know, rain is not an issue for people that are into creating and playing with technology.
That's first of all, there's a lot of indoor activities.
But I don't think rain is going to keep people away.
And if you're thinking of staying away because of rain, big mistake, because a lot of things will be going on.
I agree with you.
We're coming with you.
And I've been watching the weather every day.
Our team is like and again, you know, the maker spirit.
We do a dinner for the makers on Friday night with Gerard, who's our PAIA guy.
And I've seen people standing in rain a few years ago for that.
But I think it's like what people tell me.
It's like it's New York weather.
It's going to like it kind of comes through.
And I've been watching the weather.
And again, we're a rain or shine event.
We're prepared.
We have a lot of big tents.
I think, again, that's cool.
Just remember Woodstock.
It poured at Woodstock and everybody remembers Woodstock.
So, yeah, it's one of the best events of your life.
So I think I think rain can add to it if it does rain and there's no guarantee it will.
Yes, and there's probably some young hackers out there geoengineering to make sure that their weekend won't be ruined by rain.
Yeah, we can control the weather.
Yeah, we'll just control it.
But we're planning.
We're bringing some extra galoshes and ponchos ourselves.
So it's just important to be prepared for the the eventuality of that.
Exactly. Sherry, tell us something about the drone zone.
I'm curious about that.
Yeah, the drone zone.
So you last year and actually in the Bay Area, it started the guys started out as Game of Drones.
They then have turned into Aerial Sports League, which is kind of creating leagues around the area.
Mark Kornblatt, who's an old time maker, was actually at the first Maker Faire with us with Sparky, a telepresence robot.
Then his other claim to fame was he had Waterboy, which the folks from OK Go performed in at one Maker Faire in the Bay Area.
And these guys, Mark and Douglas and team, are now kind of drone world and they're going to be doing drone racing.
So we have an over 200 foot drone racing caged in area.
There are no free flying of drones in New York state parks and city parks, which we know.
But these folks are the best that I've seen out there.
They're very, very into kind of this kind of racing.
And they'll be putting on a great show as well as bringing in pilots from kind of around the region and area.
So drones will have a big drone area.
And there's also I'm not sure how it's going to play out yet, but Radio Shack is back and they're going to have a build your own drone area, which will have a free fly cage for folks to fly their drones in as well.
So drones will be actually quite good.
And it's good to get a chance to see that.
I'd encourage people to see the agility in some of that aerobatic and speed because you get the sense of the capabilities of these things a lot more than just maybe your casual experience with a drone.
Maybe one person just sort of hovering and maybe taking some pictures with it.
This is some serious agility and skill that you'll be able to see live in this sort of netted kind of like something you'd have for a driving range, a big course in a net with hoops and things to maneuver through.
And these things are fast and they can flip.
It's amazing stuff.
Yeah, exactly.
And I will say, if for some reason that you can't make it out, which hopefully that's not the case, but we've partnered with Twitch TV.
So Twitch.TV slash make and we'll have a whole series of highlights.
Caleb Craft, who you may know, is one of our editors will be interviewing a lot of makers and actually going to different presentations and kind of walking around.
So there'll definitely be coverage of drones and they'll have a whole schedule posted on our website.
And the 2600 van will make it rain or shine.
Absolutely.
We'll be there.
We might not be taking shelter in it, but we'll be outside and we'll be participating fully.
And it's going to be amazing.
There's also the Coke and Mentos show, I believe, every day.
Absolutely.
And you know what?
We're taking that out into the park.
So last year we took it out to the Unisphere.
So the closing show on Saturday and Sunday, 545 to 6ish, will be in front of the Unisphere in Flushing Meadows, Corona Park.
So Steven and Fritz will definitely be there.
And we have a commemorative poster that will actually have them on the front in front of the Unisphere.
It's actually pretty cool.
And then that's fairly easy to get to.
You have to cross a bridge to get over to that side of the facility.
OK.
Yeah, it's actually right over there.
A short walk.
If you've never seen the Unisphere.
Yeah, Dale has always encouraged us from day one, like, how can we hack the Unisphere?
And so this is our kind of, this is us getting closer to it to try to figure out how can we hack the Unisphere, which is quite impressive.
Definitely.
And you see this all the time if you drive in the Grand Central Parkway.
So this is your chance to actually hang out and see what a magical place it is.
It really is amazing.
There's so much land, so much space to play around in.
And do we have directions?
You can take number seven train.
I don't know the stop.
Yeah, seven train.
And I'm glad you brought that up because we do have a little this year, it's been a year of parking for both the Bay Area and in New York.
Unfortunately, our parking, which had always been at the Met's city field, is now taken up by a concert, which is, I think, a Live Nation Founders Entertainment concert called the Meadows with Kanye over the weekend.
So it's it's caused a bit of a wrinkle.
We're hoping that this will not happen in the future because it's actually making it a little bit inconvenient for us.
But we, again, in true maker spirit, we're going around and working with parks, working with the city and getting parking spaces around there.
However, we say if you can take public transportation or we've got some deals with Uber or we'll have a bike valet if you can ride your bike, you've got options.
And so getting to Maker Faire is best if you come without a car, especially this year.
And if you do come with a car, do you have any recommendations on where that where people should head?
Yeah, I would say, first of all, you should go to go to you actually have a whole parking channel.
Go to our website, Maker Faire, and that's Faire with an E, M-A-K-E-R-F-A-I-R-E dot com and check getting to Maker Faire.
And those will be the best recommendations.
So they've been the team is updating them tonight.
And we have if kind of staying out of the congested area, we've got Queens College, which is like a three or four minute or three or four mile distance from from Maker Faire.
NYSCI might be like a 15 minute.
We have shuttles. We run shuttles from there.
And then we've got some closer spaces in the park.
And so I would say check the website.
But honestly, if you can if you can figure out take the 7 train or the Long Island Railroad, that's probably the best way to get to Maker Faire.
In past years, I know the 7 train hasn't been operating properly, but this year it is operating properly.
So, you know, that's I guess the most positive thing from the concert is that all the city folks are engaged and the 7 train will be running up and running.
So here's a possibility, though, is it possible the concert might get rained at?
I don't know. The concert.
I hard to say, you know, it's hard for me to say.
I mean, I think concert goers aren't as hardy as makers.
You know that. That's true.
That's true. Good point.
Well, we'll keep our fingers crossed.
I don't think that rain will will not be an issue.
But anyway, we will be there rain or shine.
And we've been setting up and it's looking great.
Well, now this is the part where our listeners can can can win some tickets to Maker Faire.
We have a few pairs and we have a phone number for you to call.
Now, here's what's going to happen.
Please, please pay attention because this is only going to be said once.
If you call the number that we're about to give out and and speak to the operator who picks up, we will be giving away four pairs of tickets.
You pick a day. Well, you don't have to pick the day right away.
You can pick the day when you show up, I believe.
And it's a ticket for two people.
So you can bring somebody and and basically pick Saturday, pick Sunday and and come to Maker Faire.
All right. I think that pretty much covers it.
That's how. Yeah.
The number to call and we're going to pick four people.
So keep calling until we announce on the radio that we have all four people.
The number is three, three, one, two, two, three.
WBAI three, three, one, two, two, three, nine, two, two, four.
We'll have four pairs of tickets to Maker Faire this weekend coming up.
You can decide to show up on Saturday.
You can decide to show up on Sunday.
You can't split it over two days with one each.
I don't think it works that way.
But pick a day and actually you can't.
You can. Can you do that?
OK, I did not know that.
Yeah, absolutely. And with those two tickets, you can if you don't have any friends that you want to bring with you, then you can come both days.
But, you know, I really suggest that you bring somebody, especially kids.
My God, kids love Maker Faire.
And, you know, that's the first thing that really struck me.
The first Maker Faire that I went to was how enthusiastic, how bright these kids are.
And that's just that's the future.
If you're in an organization where there are no young people, you're not doing something right.
And Maker Faire has got a preponderance of that.
And it's the most incredible, inspirational thing.
Yeah, I agree. And, you know, we give away thousands of tickets and I'm still trying to find folks right to us.
There's a school in the Bronx, an engineering school that have 400 kids.
I mean, I'm going to get them in.
Like they're going to they're going to come and I talk to their teacher.
But that's a great way, too.
I'm looking for like even if sponsors want to help underwrite kids in the future, because I agree with you.
These kids are our future.
And honestly, when they learn to solder, when they see something, that's the that's the brilliance of Maker Faire, because it's helping them expand their brain and expand their mind and being open to new things.
And that's great.
Yeah. And, you know, I wish I wish I had something like this when I was growing up.
I mean, I might have gone down a better path.
Who knows? Again, that number three, three, one, two, two, three, nine, two, two, four.
Actually, Kyle, come back in here.
Tell us tell us how the how the contest is going so far.
Phone is working properly.
Yeah, everything seems to be operating just fine.
And we had we had a first first winner there.
Any any questions that we couldn't answer on the on the air?
No. Basically, what we're going to do is going to ask for your email address.
You have to have an email address, because what we're going to do is email you a code later on.
And then that code will allow you to to get your tickets.
Yeah. Just give us a day or two and we'll sort it out.
But yeah, feel free tonight, maybe tomorrow.
Yeah. We'll make sure, you know, as soon as we finish the contest.
So please call and you'll get your chance to attend Maker Faire.
Yeah. And it's it's it's awesome.
It's almost life changing.
If you've never been to one before, I would say three, three, one, two, two, three, nine, two, two, four.
So we have three sets of tickets left.
So it is truly for us a really fine.
Oh, sorry. No, it's an inspiring thing for us.
And really, especially this time of year, people go back to work.
We have the politics. There's a lot of sort of drudgery and routinity to everything at this time.
But when we go to Maker Faire, that freedom to create and the myriad of possibility with all the tools and
resources that we have really does come to light.
And you see the spirit of of accomplishment and and knowing that you can make things.
You can change the world in your local immediate world and the world, the greater world around you.
It's such a powerful thing. And I really encourage anyone unfamiliar with this event to check it out.
It will really blow your mind.
Three, three, one, two, two, three, nine, two, two, four.
Operators are standing by. In fact, Kyle, you should be standing by when that phone rings.
And hopefully the forwarding is working properly, because usually we get a ton of calls.
And I'm not sure we're doing it a different way this this year.
So three, three, one, two, two, three, nine, two, two, four.
Unless we say that it's closed, it's still open.
So you have a chance to to win and to get a couple of tickets to this weekend's Maker Faire taking place in Queens and the Hall of Science.
You want to tell us, Sherry, about some of the things that are going on inside.
Yeah, inside. Oh, that's actually wonderful inside.
We have a lot of the electronics, as you can imagine.
There's an area of the gallery that's upstairs.
We'll have a lot of like low light electronics.
We actually have bows is there with kind of teaching kids about something called bows build.
So speakers, so kids can start getting hands on with electronics, which is pretty cool.
We have a gentleman by the name of Bruce Shapiro who has something called Sisyphus, which will be in the lobby.
And Bruce is kind of a science museum exhibit creator.
So that's pretty wonderful, too.
And what I was also going to say is, as well, try to find I mean, see Dale, Dale Dougherty, who's our founder.
And actually, he's releasing a book called Free to Make.
And it's like how the maker movement is changing our schools, our jobs and our minds.
And, you know, find them and get a copy, maybe an autographed copy for you.
And last year, one of the some woman that had won tickets on your show came up and found me and said, thank you.
And again, if you're there, it's a really it's a friendly it's an engaging community and be part of it.
And again, I love what you guys are doing.
And thanks for giving me an opportunity to be on the show.
Well, you guys really give us a shot in the arm as well, because, you know, mentioning things like that, you know, with one hundred thousand people there, yet you still have that that folksiness, that that way of connecting with people.
We meet so many of our listeners over there.
It's it's it's unbelievable.
And so many of our listeners come back every year after having been introduced to it.
And I think that's just amazing, too.
So it's contagious.
Kind of what it's all about.
Yeah. Are they all like that?
I've only been to to the one here and a mini one out on Long Island.
Yeah, you know, they're all I have to say the one thing that when we started this, we had no idea how well it would translate.
And I think that that's kind of a testament to kind of human nature and our human behavior and spirit, if you will.
You know, so they all of course, I haven't been to all of them, but I do get to go to, I don't know, several a year.
And Dale gets more of the obscure ones.
He's been to Istanbul and, you know, Tokyo.
I've been to Paris and Rome.
I mean, it's it's amazing how much making translates.
And that's just, you know, a wonderful part about humanity.
So it seems to transcend optimistic.
It seems to transcend any kind of cultural barrier.
People seem to be curious everywhere and kids want to learn everywhere.
And I think that's that's absolutely rational.
Bernie, are you still there?
Yes, I'm still here.
And you have any other thoughts?
I just like Maker Faire.
I've been there several times and it's a lot of fun.
And, Shari, thank you for doing all this work and for offering some tickets to some of our listeners.
I look forward to seeing some of you folks there on Saturday.
So if everything lines up right, I'll be there at the 2600 Inn.
Are there any Maker Faires in Philadelphia?
I believe, let's see, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, I think there might be a smaller one in Philadelphia, a mini one.
But there's a wonderful one in Pittsburgh, I'll tell you that.
OK. All right. Well, I think Philadelphia deserves one.
Yeah. Bernie, maybe you can help with that.
There isn't one, there's not one in Philly that I know of, but I know people that come up to this one.
I mean, it's only a couple hours away.
So I think it's too close.
Pittsburgh is far enough away where people in Pittsburgh are not likely to come to Manhattan or to New York or to Queens, rather.
But Philly, it's just too short.
Yeah. Yeah.
And easy to get to with mass transit.
We lost Bernie somehow.
He just clicked off.
But what I was going to say is, sorry to interrupt you, Emmanuel, but we do a, we have a school Maker Faire program that's free.
You sign up. So just like there's science fairs in schools, there can be Maker Faires.
So if you go to our Maker Faire site and it's like in kind of the global fairs area, like take it to your schools.
It's free. It's like playbooks and materials and inspiration for teachers.
And the wonderful thing is like we're a science fair.
There's like first, second, third place.
All makers are winners.
So it's kind of a wonderful thing to be introducing there, too.
Absolutely. Wow.
So this has become an annual tradition here in New York and new ones are starting all the time.
Where do you see it going?
Are these kids going to be launching things into space in the decades ahead and doing all kinds of amazing things?
I hope so. I hope so.
You know, it's interesting.
This is our starting our second decade.
And we've started to see kids now that are actually that, you know, they were little kids, like, you know, 12, 13 when we met them.
And now they're 22 and they're going off and doing cool things.
So that's great.
And another actually thing is Barnes and Noble's come on board and they share the same goals we do in tech literacy with schools.
They're doing a mini maker fair in all 660 of their stores over the first weekend in November.
And what I like about that is the communities where we can't go to.
This is kind of great where the local makers actually have a place that they can go and showcase.
It's obviously not on the same scale as this, but it doesn't matter.
You know, Barnes and Noble stores are free.
We want people to read.
We want people to get hands on.
So I love that they're approaching that and have that spirit, too.
That's the first weekend in November.
I just want to tell people we have given all the tickets away.
Thank you, Kyle, for your hard work on that.
No problem. Thanks for everybody who called and look out for those emails.
Yes. This might be Bernie.
Let's just see if it's Bernie.
Is that is that you, Bernie?
OK, now something wrong with this phone.
You know, another another way to come is volunteering.
We have a program called Travelers.
And honestly, our staff and crew are the best people out there.
They care about this, too.
And you could, you know, spend a few hours, earn a ticket, get to meet new people, walk around, see behind the scenes.
It's not a bad way to get to Maker Faire.
Those are great websites, too.
You really do meet a lot of people when you volunteer.
You get involved. You're, you know, shoulder to shoulder with people.
You're right there with your getting your hands on everything and making the thing happen.
You will have unbelievable success in building relationships and just exposing yourself to different attitudes and different ways of doing things.
It's great. Sherry, what kind of things can people do as volunteers?
You know, we try to match it to what skills people have.
So if you like to learn, teach people how to solder, we'll probably put you in the learn to solder tent.
We have a whole green. If you're into sustainability, then we have a whole sustainability program.
So we can help you teach others and get hands on.
If you want to greet or get information, we actually really try.
We call it a traveler program.
So if you come and work with us, you'll get a passport.
We'll stamp it after you're there.
And we hope that you can take it into your community, too, and then showcase that, you know, you can do things or teach people in maker spaces.
So we're very, you know, we really try to figure out what what someone has to offer and what they want to give and then match them to the appropriate place.
OK, well, just to give the final summation here, Maker Faire begins Saturday morning.
That's right. 10 a.m. to 6 p.m.
Saturday and Sunday. OK.
Each day will end even outside of our gates.
So the Diet Coke and Mentos show at the Unisphere is free.
It's free to the community because we also believe it's important to share that, too.
It is. It really is.
And I think the community really welcomes this as well.
I've spent I love Corona.
I love that that area of Queens and I spent a lot of time walking around and wandering over to Flushing as well.
It's really great.
I would not suggest just coming and going.
Come hang out for a while and just experience the whole thing.
Rain or shine. It's going to be awesome.
Again, the seven train.
Just take that. I don't know the exact stop.
I'm sorry. But if you go to Maker Faire dot com and that's Maker Faire with an E at the end, you will have all the information and more that you could possibly want.
And Sherry, we will see you there.
I think. Thank you so much.
Great chatting with you guys.
Love what you're doing and look forward to saying hello to you.
All right. Take care.
Thanks for what you do as well.
Thank you. I can't believe it's another Maker Faire.
Wow. Yeah, unbelievable.
It's I meant what I said, though.
It's really inspiring.
And it's just cool to just walk around.
You could be aimless and you'll bump into things that are just, I don't know, a real hoot, like really thrilling.
And and you'll be talking to people that are really following what what things they're interested in.
And you'll get a real just in the way the conference we put on has a lot of information, new stuff.
You'll see that you'll see new stuff that makers are doing, new tools and resources.
They're they're using in interesting ways.
And it's really inspiring.
Can I can I confess one thing?
I kind of hope it does rain.
And, you know, I say that.
No, I say that because you get to you get to do more when it rains, because it's not as crowded.
There's more people that you can interact with.
And I don't know, more unique, fun things happen when things are a little bit inclement.
You know, when the weather is a challenge and you're like huddled up under, you know, going from tent to tent, you know.
Yeah, I think it's it'll be fun either way.
And we will we'll have our own fun.
Well, it'll be unique in that sense.
Yeah. Whatever the the nature, natural circumstances that are thrown at us.
Hey, we're out of time, but we hopefully we'll see you at Maker Faire this weekend.
And if not, we'll be back next week.
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