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Mike hello Rob T. Firefly
Redhats hello back from your honeymoon. Yes. Welcome. Thank you and
Down in Philadelphia or Pennsylvania somewhere Bernie s
From Pennsylvania, okay
Well, here we are again week number two of our May fundraiser and I gotta say wow
Did we do well last week? I
Don't know that we did our listeners haven't said it yet. Wow. Did we do well last week?
I just felt I had to say that because we did we did pretty well our listeners did all the doing
Yeah, that's true. But we asked them to and they they really came through and I want to thank them for that
I wasn't here last week. So should I leave? Well, no that had something to do with it
Definitely, but I don't think that you're being here this week is necessarily gonna harm us. But if it does, yes
We will ask you to leave
well, we just have to it's it's all about raising money to keep the station going keep the station afloat and
Our listeners have done a bang-up job of that so far
so what we're doing we're we're kind of
thanking you in a different way for those of you who
Invariably email us afterwards and and say I can't believe I missed out on something so cool and so amazing
What we've decided to do is extend what we have last week into this week
But really and I'm not kidding when I say this that's it. We're not doing it again next week. So what that means is that
Last week we had we had Steve Rambam in the studio
For two hours and we were we were basically offering his his seminar set
Which is 15 DVDs of Steve talking through various
Conferences about privacy issues and and all kinds of other things
So we have that still available for a $75 pledge
But in addition, we've got the special spy camera pen that people are going all crazy over
That's basically a pen that you can walk around with that that will record
Audio and video and all kinds of cool things like that. It's a real spy pen something. I did not think was even
Possible to to get unless you were someone like Steve's, you know a private eye that has access to these kinds of things
but that's yours for a pledge of $75 if you want both the
The Steve Rambam seminar and the spy camera pledge of 125. So the number 2 1 2 2 0 9 2 9 5 0
Again, just tonight just for the next hour
We're going to have that now, but we also have other things in addition, which we're gonna get to in a moment
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We can donate these things to the station for an hour, maybe two hours
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Thanks because all of these premiums are donations and the money that you pledge goes to the radio station. Yes
Yes, what we do is we go out there and we try to find something cool
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either way the radio station doesn't pay anything but postage and
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That's how we keep afloat by by getting people to call in
But obviously the reason to call in is to keep the station going period
So if you just want to do that again the number two on two two zero nine two nine five zero now interesting
we were talking about Steve last week and talking to Steve last week for a couple of hours and
And afterwards, of course, we hung out for quite a while afterwards quite a while afterwards because we had to tally up all the people
that called in we were we were kind of blown away by
By was that flashing light mean anything? Yes, they're testing the fire buildings on fire. They announced it earlier. It's only a test
Well, wait a minute, okay
So we have a flashing fire alarm now in the studio and you see how do you know?
It's only a test because they told you this in advance
Yes for those of us who were out in the lobby and listening. All right
Now what happens if there actually is a fire? How do we know the difference between the test and the real thing?
So right now we're totally insecure because there's a real fire. We're not gonna believe it in that case
We've been supremely trolled and I salute whoever did it
Yeah, really saluting them from your grave. Yeah from from all of our graves or watery or fiery graves. All right
Well, let's hope that's
That's it's really kind of distracting that flashing light. It's a blinding white lights to be it's a fire alarm
I guess yeah, we really shouldn't be sitting here during a fire
It is smart though that they don't have an audible alarm in the studio Bernie. This doesn't affect you at all
Okay, well so anyway, we're talking to
To Steve afterwards and it was just interesting being down in tally room for a few hours
It was like an hour and a half
I guess our tally came in at over seven thousand dollars for two hours
So we were very happy with that, but we had to basically make sure everything was written down properly and everybody was getting the right thing
but it's just kind of
Kind of cool because if you go to the conferences if you listen to the to the radio show
You'll soon realize that we don't always agree politically on various things
and Steve is is not somebody who generally agrees with most of us who are on the left and
That's fine and good with me because that's how you have dialogue and conversation and things like that
And I think that's a really good thing when conversations start and people just exchange
Different opinions and ideas and and you don't condemn somebody for not agreeing with you on certain certain topics
There are people who do too many people I think who do
But I find that at the hope conferences at the 2600 meetings and here at the radio station for the most part
the dialogue is open and and that kind of thing is
Is encouraging to me, but that's also why tonight I wanted to do something a little bit different
sort of turn in the other direction and
ask well
What would be the a good counterbalance to to having Steve featured last week?
And to me the answer to that was Jell-O Biafra Jell-O Biafra is probably the person who has spoken
You know
I don't know who has spoken more if it's Steve or if it's Jell-O because Jell-O
Has spoken I think at five of our conferences and when he does it's usually for a few hours
He he gave the keynote at h2k
He also talked to h2k to the fifth hope hope number six and the last hope that's five conferences
He wasn't at the the next hope which was the one in 2010
So five conferences of at least a couple of hours each but but surely the record holder is still Robert Steele
Oh, you know, I totally forgot. How can I forget Robert Steele? Yeah
Robert Steele gives talks at last
overnight, so
Okay, we don't have enough DVDs to give you copies of those talks
Actually, if you go to the hotel right now Robert Steele is still there talking from they they didn't unlock that door did they
Oh, wow
Okay. Well, anyway, that's that's what we're giving away tonight
We have what's known as a Jell-O pack
And what that means is for a pledge of $50
You will get all of the talks of Jell-O Biafra that have taken place at the hope conference
from
2000 through
2008 so many many hours of material that just can't get anywhere else
What we're gonna do now we're going to launch into the very first talk that he gave back in the year
2000 this was his debut when he first came to the hope conference a lot of people wanted to know what's what's this guy got
to do with hacking what why why is this punk rock star coming to talk to a bunch of computer hackers at
hope in 2000 and
Well, it turned out to be very relevant because technology and society and social issues and all kinds of things like that
They merge a lot
and that's one thing we've learned with the hope conferences is that all these worlds are related in one way or another and
Mixing and matching and introducing people to new ideas and and and trading information and opinions
That's how we move forward. So bringing Jell-O into the mix. It was it was good for us. It was good for him
He enjoyed it so much that he kept wanting to come back year after year
so
That's that's why he showed up. That's why he was a part of it
And that's why we're offering that tonight. So pledge of $50. You'll get the Jell-O pack of
Gosh, how many DVDs is that probably about 10?
Maybe more than 10 DVDs of Jell-O speaking on various issues and you'll find also that the issues don't get old
This is the year 2000 that we're gonna feature in just a moment
It was another election year, but think about it the year 2000. It was before we even got George W Bush
this was the
Campaign that was
Gore versus Bush Clinton was the president at the time
We had not yet even gotten into the Barack Obama era
The WTO protests in Seattle had had happened months earlier
So independent media was was starting to to become well known amongst many of us. It was a changing world
It was an exciting time. It still is but
Back then it was it was different but also similar
So I'd like to focus on that and give out the phone number again 2 1 2 2 0 9 2 9 5 0 anyone have any
other remarks on this before we
plunge into Jell-O from the year 2000 Bernie
Well, yeah, it Jell-O definitely was one of the most popular keynote speakers
we've we've had they're all been well-received but people keep coming back for to hear these talks and
How many how many DVDs to this of Jell-O in this Jell-O pack are there well
that was I was trying to calculate that because
Sometimes we cram a few hours into one DVD. Sometimes we have one hour per DVD
I'd have to say if we're talking about five conferences an average of between two and three hours each
We're talking
10 11 12 hours of content Wow, and that's for a pledge of $50. That's pretty good. It's a lot of Jell-O
It's more more Jell-O than you can probably digest in a single sitting but it's it's enough for you to come back to when
you want more and
You can also get
The Steve Rombaum package as well
You can mix and match you can get the the $50 Jell-O pack and a spy camera pen
And that's 125 dollars right there
so just say what you want the spy camera and Jell-O or you can get the
Steve Rombaum set and the spy camera or you can get the Steve Rombaum set the spy camera and Jell-O
There's all kinds of possibilities here. It's amazing
You can always just pledge money to not get a premium at all
If this is too confusing you could do that as well
But we want to give something back in addition to to the actual radio show and the radio station
So let's take a listen to Jell-O from the year 2000
This is moments after he began speaking for the very first time at a hacker conference
Let's listen in case you haven't noticed we are living in very
interesting times I
Thought it would be years before a mass backlash if not outright
insurrection
against the increasingly
runamuck and arrogant corporate rule
Began but it's already here and it seems to be growing and growing and growing like some sort of
prairie fire
Not since people came out of the woodwork from all walks of life
To just say no to the Vietnam War
fight for civil rights the environment and
Feminism, etc have this many people
banded together for one thing against the wishes of our rulers and
Like Vietnam right now. It's advantaged the other side
You know the corporate world order the World Trade Organization
IMF World Bank, etc. They have the money they have the power they have the guns they have the media
But that was the same situation
People faced when a few lonely voices in the wilderness
Put down their rah-rah American flags and said we should not be in Vietnam
We got to stop this and it took a long time and a lot of hard work
but eventually the American people did stop the Vietnam War and
This battle against corporate rule is at least as important and will probably be at least as tough to fight
But like Vietnam, I think percolating out there the numbers are there
Even among people we don't necessarily agree with on a lot of things the same wedge issue applies
Why can't I put food on the table anymore?
It's no accident that wasn't just I mean in Seattle
For example, one of the really cool things about that the at the anti WTO
demonstrations last fall was that it was that people who would normally derive be derided as tree huggers or
Freaks or whatever were marching side-by-side people. They would normally deride as rednecks or hardhats
steel workers unions
Teamsters, etc
Who I might add were not marching with the protesters during the all the protests against the Vietnam War
This is new and this is important and this fight is gonna go on like it has already
Both inside the system and outside the system. I think many people here have had at least some
experience and inner glee fighting it from outside the system one way or another and
You know with both with Seattle and interesting little online pranks and
United students against sweatshops, that's pretty cool. I would say if people band together and pressure their
universities to quit making the rah-rah school mascot shirts in
Places that not even Kathy Lee Crosby can stomach anymore
and
I think it's going to be very very interesting outside the Democratic and Republican
Conventions coming up real soon
Although I am biting my nails after the Philadelphia police were shown in all their glory
Well, yeah another person from Philly told me well
Yeah, of course, they're gonna go wild people here don't care if it tarnishes the image of the city. They just don't care
And
From within the system
Even the most pro-bush and pro-gore
Pundit oids are predicting the lowest election turnout in our history
this fall and
Which actually opens the door for real alternative parties to come in and make a bigger impact
Than if every brainwashed Democrat and Republican actually showed up in Christian coalition Nazi actually showed up to vote
Well jello is not a candidate for president anymore
See, I'm a member of the Green Party and went to their convention last June and the Green Party nominated Ralph Nader
And there's a diverse group among the Greens much more diverse than I expected
Actually, and if you're gonna build a real alternative to the Republicans
You have to be willing to work with people you don't necessarily agree with on every single nitpicky issue
So now my job is to urge all of you to get off your butts and register and vote for Ralph Nader this fall
Probably the only candidate whose gut instinct is against complete
Corporatizing of e-commerce and the net and using it for almost nothing but
Fascistic and shopping purposes if you will and that mean what another reason to draw people into it this way is because hopefully then people
Pay attention to the local elections to where the more people like us show up
The more likely somebody cool can get on the City Council a state legislature
You know and and keep Christian coalition stealth candidates off
School boards and things like that. They bank on us not showing up, but they're organized
They do show up and we can learn from that and keep an eye out for
But they're organized they do show up and we can learn from that and keep in mind nationally that if Nader gets
5% of the vote this fall
That's a hell of a victory in a way because the Green Party gets matching federal funds in
2004
Visualize the possibility of some of those funds are spent letting people like us design the ads
And
I think the thing is grant where this groundswell is really coming from is more and more people are realizing that yes
Corporations are going to damn far too damn fast. I thought it was gonna take years for this backlash to happen here
It is it's the galvanizing issue just as Vietnam civil rights etc were in the
In in the 60s early 70s, I mean at this point, I mean they so they're threatening the capitalist system
Oh, what do we do, especially if we have to like let people go to a doctor without paying up the ass to HMOs
That's communism. That's socialism. Oh, it's a human, right? I
mean what we have
In
Every other industry of major industrialized country on earth including Canada all of Europe
Access to a doctor is written into the law as a basic human right here
We have a disease industry instead that likes to see how they can profit off of other people's
Misfortunes and would rather spend billions and billions of dollars on the next Viagra
than even bothering to
Manufacture stuff that cures malaria because there's not any money in that let those people die
That's the attitude. That's the corporate attitude of the drug companies. So basically what we have now
For the big folks signed into law by the world to buy the GATT treaty that created the WTO and the NAFTA treaty, etc
This isn't even capitalism anymore. This is feudalism
You know feudalism
barons and lords in the high
castles with a big old moat around them and an army of Knights while the
peasants till the land on the other side and have to turn most of the food over hoping they don't get killed or
run off their meager
meager rental property or whatever and
How different is that from every time we go out and buy anything from shell oil or Microsoft?
or IBM or Sony
or
McDonald's or whatever we are their serfs and
The only way to completely divorce oneself from corporate feudalism all the way in this day and age
I only know of one person
Pure and politically correct as the driven snow who ever pulled this off
the Unabomber
But
Mr. Kaczynski kind of suffered for his art, didn't he?
I mean not everybody who wants to get away from corporate feudalism
wants to live in a little cabin as big as this platform with one window in it and
Because I get so miserable that you spend all your time mailing bombs to people. You've never met
Because you can't get laid
There's got to be a better way
You know all of us who want to divorce ourselves from this sort of thing
You know
We each kind of have to decide
Pick our own moral code that we not only can live with but can live up to
So I've noticed some of the ones who go way way way over the line militant squat vegan. Everybody else is against me, etc
Are some of the first to snap like rubber bands and go completely the other way because they see everything in black and white terms
Right. So if I can't do this, well, hey
Maybe I'll just go back to school and get a computer job and a BMW. I mean I've seen this happen
I mean if you don't go so far over this way
You're less likely to spring like a rubber band and turn into the very SUV parasite you hated in the first place
But of course you never hear about this very much at all in the straight media
Which in my opinion has gotten to the point where it's outright
Old Soviet evil Empire style censorship
I mean the worst kind of censorship going on now in my opinion is not necessarily
What tipper gore Jerry Falwell or any of them have done?
It's
CNN USA Today
ABC NBC CBS News Time Newspeak, excuse me Newsweek, etc
Deliberately not reporting the major stories that actually affect our lives
Global warming who cares in syncs album is the fastest-selling one in all time
Everybody's buying it. Therefore you should to buy buy buy
Shut up and shop shut up and shop shut up and shop is the mantra if you will
It wasn't that long ago
That there wasn't just three branches of our government the president the Congress and the Supreme Court
The fourth branch that kept the others in check was the press. I mean I remember
Part of what turned people against the Vietnam War was the raw footage of blown-up American soldiers on
Primetime news every night. You don't see that now. Do you? Oh
Dear me Meg Ryan's breaking up with her husband. Oh my god, how important?
That's what you get instead
I mean same with what same with you contrast the way they covered Watergate and brought down
Nixon with the way they covered
Contragate which was a much bigger scandal involving government operatives running drugs into this country
assassinations the mysterious death of a reporter who uncovered the ins law
Software scandal if that rings a bell, but that doesn't get reported and there's a reason for that
during the Reagan administration
Part of the great swindle the Reagan Bush Clinton swindle still going on was
deregulating business laws so that corporations had a much easier time merging with others or
Swallowing up others in hostile takeovers which meant some of the very rogue
Corporations that used to be policed by this fourth branch of government through exposure of how horrible they were
Started buying up the media themselves
for example
How many of you know that NBC is owned by General Electric?
one of the world's largest arms
Manufacturers this gives General Electric editorial control over NBC News
So naturally it's like rah rah isn't the Gulf War great don't our missiles always work after all GE helped build them
Oh, this is great. Yellow ribbons. Rah, rah, George Bush, etc
Okay, we got it. We got to stop you there Jell-O
That's Jell-O be off for a speaking to the hackers on planet Earth conference back in the year
2000 his debut appearance at the hope series
We are offering that talk which runs a couple of hours plus for others going all the way to the year
2008 on all kinds of
Relevant topics that remain relevant years
I can't believe that's 12 years ago, but I'm still riveted listening to this because it all applies today a
Pledge of $50. You'll get all of those DVDs with and there's a lot of visuals here, too
That I think I definitely worth worth the cost
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2950 that's not all we're also offering the the spy camera pen
yes an actual pen that writes and has a video camera hidden inside it so that you can
Next time you get stopped by authorities
Well, it's not really legal to do this I guess but you can record them and that's that's totally legal. Is it legal?
Yeah to record. I mean you might get arrested anyway, but they'll say it's
Next time I go through Homeland Security and I get I don't know about at the border
The border is weird, but once you're in the country, it's legal to record
Okay, so if you feel that you can be harassed by the police and having one of these pens I think is an essential thing
They record what we determined. It was a couple of hours of audio or video other
I don't remember exactly but you can you can record the video and the audio and then you just plug it right into your computer
And you can play it back and you can analyze it frame by frame and whatever you want. It's incredible technology
That's yours for a pledge of $75. We also have the Steve Rambam seminar set on privacy and and
database
Technologies have taken place over the years from those talks go from 1997 all the way to
2010
And that's 15 DVD set again a pledge of $75
So we have a variety of things but the Jell-O Biafra is what we're focusing on tonight primarily because he was another
important part of the hope conferences
And it's a great way to to catch up on the history to to hear what the issues were
I mean, he's talking about about the election about conventions about third parties
And in some ways it's kind of frustrating because it doesn't feel like we've really advanced in 12 years
It feels like we're in the exact same place other instances, you know, yeah, okay
We have we have grown a little bit. There seems to be a lot more awareness
The Occupy Wall Street movement is out there
There does seem to be more dialogue and we've certainly been through a lot in the last dozen years
It's it's it's definitely something that will make you think that'll educate you and it's yours for a pledge of only
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Again, we're only offering that this hour
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You can get that for 125 at $50 for the jello be Afra
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You know, it's interesting when you say you point out that most radio stations
No radio stations would air this kind of material and what's really interesting to me is even if they did
They would air 10 seconds of it. You don't get the kind of in-depth. You don't get to hear 10 minutes of JLB
Afra anywhere. It's 13 minutes my 13 minutes. Well, imagine how little how rarely you hear that we didn't stop to sell
Telephones or or beer or anything like that. We we just kept it going and yeah
The only thing we had to do was censor one of the words, but but you can figure out what it was
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This is what's important to me whether it's the Steve Rambam said on privacy issues or whether it's general be out for us
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There's another person calling in as well. I don't know see when you're down in the tally room, right?
Is incredibly loud when you're down in the tally room they
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That's not where the bells are right
That's a computer-generated bill
You're saying this isn't a real bell. I thought we had a room with like bells we used to really
Unless we have a new one. Well, I haven't seen they do all seem to sound the same
I'll say that it used to be different kinds of bells
Maybe if more people call in we can we can analyze this on the air. We have two calls right now the third call coming in
All right. Now if another call comes in and it sounds the same then I think Mike's theory might be correct
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Alright, let's get a couple more calling in and then we'll we'll know for sure if this is just the same bell over and over
Again, that'd be kind of sad if it wasn't why would they take that away? You know, it was a real bell sounding
All right. Is that another one or is that the same line?
I see three calls on the line. All right, we need I see four. Okay. Yeah, you know what I think
I'm sorry
Yeah, I guess so it's annoying it's annoying okay, I can turn it off now, but thank you
We have four calls on the line right now. You see this is what it takes for the hacker community
You got to make a little
Jingle or sound or just some effect that people can have by calling a number and it it entices people to call in and say yeah
That noise on the radio. That's what it used to sound like in the in the back room
That's what used to sound like in everybody's room. That's what phones used to sound like it was it was kind of cool
But you know in addition to making a nice little bell, you'll also get an incredible premium. You'll get DVDs
You'll get a spy camera. Most importantly though
You'll you'll get the the knowledge of knowing that you helped you kept this place going
Imagine this place not being here for all this time period. I mean back then it seems like yesterday, but that was right after the WTO
Protest or a few months afterwards in Seattle back in 1999
This place was essential for that pivotal moment in American history. There are so many other moments coming up
I mean, do you really think this year is going to go with just a whimper? I don't think so
I think it's going to be an incredible year with the conventions with the election with Occupy Wall Street with all kinds of
Social issues happening and and world issues as well
WBAI is where you find out about this 2 1 2 2 0 9 2 9 5 0 get the Jellabee offer pack at the
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You know contribute not only a vote you can run you could run for office if you actually want to do that a
lot of people a lot of people wind up
Controlling the direction that that the station goes in that particular way
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Also voting with their ballots when that time comes
It's a great
Participatory system that you will not find anywhere else on the radio dial that I can I can think of two one two two zero nine
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Like so we get it that it's a little bit obnoxious for us to be asking you for money all the time
We don't like doing it either. But the reason we do it is that it really lets us know
Who supports us? We know that you support us
We know that you support this program if we went by some other model
We would just know like who the serial companies support and I guess it's probably not hackers, but we could find out
But this lets us know does the audience like this program or not?
Are they pledging or not two one two two zero nine two nine five zero to cast your vote?
say you want to keep us on the air and
and
Sure, you know, that's that's all we can do. It's annoying. Yes, we know that it's annoying to to be hounded
Especially when everybody's doing it these days
But it is essential. It is essential. Yes
We do have more jello we do have more jello to serve
But the amount of time we spend on the air fundraising is a fraction of the amount of time the commercial stations play
commercials and
You get much less good stuff listening to other radio stations from a content standpoint
And even from a premium standpoint
So I encourage our listeners
Please call two one two two zero nine two nine five zero and keep a radio station on the air that really cares
About what you listen to and it doesn't really care about what corporations want you to listen to namely the commercials
when you when you listen to commercial station the price of the products you buy that are advertised on a commercial radio station is is
is more that is more than it would be because those radios those radio stations
Take a lot of advertising money, which the companies that sell cars or whatever have to increase their price
Absolutely, we don't do that model here and you don't get a choice you don't get it
You you don't get to you don't get to be asked. Do you want this? It just happens
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We've got some great premium gifts and great content
Jell-o be opera Steve Rambam
Camcorder pens camcorder key fobs
But just call no matter what the premiums are if the important thing is to call the station and support this model of information
Yeah, I can only wait to get my spy camera pen because it's just the coolest thing
It's it's every kid wants something like this and every kid can have it now, too. That's that's really amazing thing
He's just be Dick Tracy had this
Wouldn't it be amazing if when you went to buy a can of soda there was like a ballot on the back
Do you want your money to fund this radio program or that? Mm-hmm? Yeah, how would the?
We were talking about commercials and how much time is spent on commercials
All you have to do is is watch any any commercial television program and just count up the amount of time that the actual program
Crappy as it is
Takes up for that hour or half hour. You'll find that an hour long program goes about what 42 minutes. That's
that's 18 minutes of
Pure commercials per hour. All right, that's that's significant
That's a significant chunk and that's every hour of every day exactly
Yeah, and you're paying for it if you buy products from corporations now even now when we're begging for money on the radio
We're still providing content. We're still playing things that other radio stations will not dare to play. It's
It's quite simple. We're gonna go right back into that. Let's get one more call. We get one more call coming in
We've had a flurry and that's great to see
Running over the the premiums once again
you'll get the the Jellabee offer set of
I think about ten maybe a dozen DVDs of all his talks during the the hope conferences
For a pledge of $50 5 0 2 1 2 2 0 9 2 9 5 0 and Jellabee offer
Of course the lead singer of the Dead Kennedys
Back in the day and someone who has an awful lot to to communicate to to say in the spoken world world
Spoken word world as well
2 1 2 2 0 9 2 9 5 0 a pledge of $50 gets you all of that incredible deal there
but if you want to pledge 1
125 you can get the Steve Rombaum seminar set which is 15 DVDs of privacy issues from a private eye and
all kinds of information about the databases that the government keeps and various corporations have on all of us and
In addition to that you'll get the spy camera pen which allows you to basically walk around with impunity
Recording whatever it is you want to record or just leave a pen out on a table and see what people say about you when
You leave the room
All kinds of possibilities. That's not legal. That's not legal
But I'm just saying it's it's possible that someone could do that or they could do it by accident to what happens then
Good
Yeah go on a state-by-state basis though, I mean some some states are one party some states are two part
Again, I'm sorry, right
Yes, you should consult a lawyer licensed to practice in your jurisdiction if you have questions
Well, we don't have a lawyer in the room, but we do have Bernie on the phone. So that's the next best thing
Can we record you will find a great website that talks about the different states laws primarily
There's 12 states that are required to two-party consent as opposed to one party's consent
But it's just too detailed to go into the bottom line is, you know
If you're breaking the law, you have to be caught doing it and second of all
Just call the plate support the station to
Yeah, you know even if we were offering a pen that just wrote with ink
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The spy camera pen $75 pledge Steve rambam DVD set $75 pledge
Jell-o be offered DVD set $50 pledge two one two two zero nine two nine five zero. We have more jello be offered this coming from
the year
2008 this was his last appearance so far at the hope conferences. It was at the last hope and
Here he'll be discussing
Voting machines will be discussing Obama everyone's favorite topic and all kinds of other I guess more current issues
He has everything all kinds of things to say about any issue and even if it's 12 years ago
It's still fascinating, but this was only a few years ago. So it's even even closer to relevancy four years ago
Yeah, okay four years ago
2008 all right two one two two zero nine two nine five zero make your call now. Here's Jell-o
Have you ever wondered
Who the eraser head baby would be as an adult
Well, I have and the answer is right in front of us. It's so obvious
Think about this for a minute
John McCain I
Mean some of these are so obvious like most of you have seen
Oh, what's the name of the TV show on Comedy Central where the woman gets out of jail and goes back to high school?
Yeah strangers with candy Jerry Blank
Nancy Pelosi I
Mean think about that one. You'll never be able to look at one without thinking of the other ever again
No, it doesn't it supports Halliburton and they all know that and Pelosi was well aware of waterboarding for years and
Intelligence briefings and did nothing about it the eraser head a baby the the elderly eraser head, baby
Among other things he wants to kick Russia out of the g8
legalized hate crimes in possession of a machine gun and
Voted for the Military Commissions Act the one that legalizes torture
Waterboarding rendition where you kidnap somebody from one country and torture them to another and legalize
Military tribunals where the defendant isn't allowed to see the evidence and no appeal they just kill you in other words all the things
We entered World War two to stop the Nazis from doing for us
Doing to us. I mean anybody who supported the Military Commissions Act ain't no better than a Nazi as far as I'm concerned
McCain also says that
Christians are more fit. I gotta get my imitation of these guys down
Are you chewing tobacco in my jaw for him, but are more fit to be president of the United States?
Since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles. I prefer someone who has a solid grounding in my faith
So that mean we're all gonna vote for Ron Paul, right?
well
Okay, I don't understand the gaga thing about Ron Paul
He's good on the war and he's good on drugs, but check out his views on abortion
Check out his views on immigrants check out the attacks
He made in the 90s on gays Jews and especially
African-americans claiming the Rodney King riots ended only because it quoted came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks
Yeah, he told Tim Russert last December, you know
the talking onion on meet the press who died recently that
the 64 Civil Rights Act was a violation of property rights and
That Lincoln started the Civil War to get rid of the original intent of the Republic
Although he may be right on that one
It was white slave owners who own wrote the Constitution and said that only swipe land owned male landowners could vote way back when
We've had a breather during the dark days of Bush because so many other things are going so bad from the so-called
culture wars where every year or two you'd have things like tipper gore blaming Judas Priest and Ozzie for teen suicide
and juvenile delinquency
Then realizing black faces scare parents even more and going after public enemy then Joseph Lieberman your friend in mind
Holding hearings in the Senate on why Marilyn Manson caused the Columbine shootings and all well
You know attacks on her freedom to read
Listen and think and no matter which one of these clowns becomes president that is coming back
Obama has said about games and the content as far as taking away the edgier content that he doesn't happen to like
If the industry fails to act then my administration would
While McCain has been a co-sponsor over the years of the Media Marketing and Accountability Act
co-sponsor Joseph Lieberman
You know Al Gore's vice president is now a little parrot wherever McCain goes
You always see him in the picture and stuff the Media Marketing and Accountability Act is a one-size-fits-all rating system for movies
DVDs music and games
Much nastier and more explicit and strict than the tipper sticker the explicit lyric parallel advisory
It said that anybody who doesn't use the rating system their products automatically become illegal
and if you try to say, you know, in other words everything I've ever done and
And if you try to sell something without the mark of the Lieber beast you can be fined by the Federal Trade Commission
$11,000 per unit sold per day
Last time that bill came up it had a third sponsor Hillary Clinton
surprise surprise
But beware of the enemy of my enemy is my friend is Obama the anti Hillary
Judging from his voting record. I'm not even sure that's true
Granted it would be kind of cool to have somebody in the White House
Whose first name rhymes with Iraq whose middle name is Hussein and his last name rhymes with Osama and luckily
They're giving us another choice besides two royal dynasties Bush Incorporated and the hillbillies
but
Obama looks all the more attractive as a leader precisely because he's never actually led
No defining issue or accomplishment except he's so cool. He's so cool
How can you not dig him? He's like the Odesity of Hope change we can believe in as long as it isn't too specific
And he is cool when you see him on TV
He's a wonderful speaker comes across as a cool guy
You could actually hang out and talk to if only that was reflected in his voting record
Obama voted to make the Patriot Act permanent
Obama came out against the war early in 2002, but then when he was in a position of power
he keeps voting money to continue the war when he finally has the power to cut it off and
Watch his language on the war very carefully. He's a very clever lawyer after all
He says that my first act will be to tell the Pentagon to find a way to end the war
Withdraw the troops to where?
Ending the war does not mean taking the troops out and Obama has also said he doesn't really want to take the troops out
He wants to leave as many as
80,000 of them and calls for protecting
American enclaves like the Green Zone
Yo, the Green Zone belongs to the Iraqis. We stole it. It's at least what a third of the size
The
Green Zone isn't Obama Saddam's Palace by the few buildings like they show in the aerial photo
I've seen one of the whole thing and it's maybe a third the size or more of Manhattan
It's all the downtown real estate. We stole it all people can't drive to work on all the boulevards anymore
It doesn't belong to us. We need to leave and surely
He's aware that we've put almost eight hundred million dollars into the largest embassy ever built by a factor of ten
Right along the river in the Green Zone
Although it's a tiny dot on the Green Zone photo, even though it's what the size of 80 football fields
3,000 Americans expected to work there my wall 20 feet thick around it got its own
Missile system inside its own water supply its own electricity supply since we never bothered to fix the Iraqis
just gave money to Bechtel they didn't fix it and that was the end of that and
Basically, what does this say to the Iraqis when it's the closest thing to us finishing a project on time?
The real goal and Obama and Hillary and Pelosi know it is to never ever
leave I
Mean at least Ted Koppel was honest on Charlie Rose a few nights ago
And he said well, you know the talking walnut or the clamshell on his head and stuff
But well, we have to have 50,000 troops somewhere in that area and we have nowhere else left to go
How about the Iraqis even the puppet we put in as a so-called president is telling us to get out now and
Many of you know that Obama completely reversed course with a
Calculated stabbing in the back of every single person in this room. We're after initially threatening to filibuster the new law
legalizing all of the NSA's illegal wiretaps on people and
Letting the phone company off the hook for spying phone companies off of the flying on us
He turned around and voted yes and gave Bush and Cheney damn near everything they wanted and a lot more than they expected
Legalizing the exact same crimes that got Nixon thrown out of office
During Watergate and don't forget when it was revealed that Bush was doing this
They took a poll thing with CNN and over half the country wanted Bush impeached at that point
But oh no, Jerry Blank Nancy Pelosi
Support the troops
In 06 it was a little different Obama with all this glow and halo
No more illegal wiretapping of American citizens more and no more ignoring the law when it is convenient
No one should get a free pass to violate the basic civil liberties of the American people
Not the president of the United States not the telecom companies that fell in line with warrantless surveillance programs
But now the NSA can just go after everybody like a vacuum cleaner, but then they have a new problem
They've got so much data. How do you find somebody bad in there?
That's why they didn't find the 9-1-1 hijackers ahead of time. It wasn't some badass
Conspiracy it was spinal tap and they'd over spied on people so much. It was like looking for a needle in a football stadium
Now we get more of that
But at least some of the phone companies did their patriotic duty and cut off the FBI's wiretaps when they forgot to pay the phone
bill
All right, let's step in there and stop jello and
2008 speaking to the hope conference because we're almost out of time and we need to bring in a few more calls. We're within
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We also have the four minutes. Is it four minutes only? Yeah, time is fleeting. We have two calls on the line right now
Let's get another three or four and I think we will have done fairly well this
this hour 2 1 2 2 0 9 2 9 5 0 listening to jello is just the most
Entertaining thing watching him is even more entertaining and
There is just so much you will learn
yeah, a lot of things have changed a lot of things are different, but a lot of things remain the same and
I think if you just watch one of these every every night or so
You'll become very educated. You'll learn a lot about society and about people and if you couple that with the Steve Rambam
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And add the pen into that and boy
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Support the radio station. Keep us going. Keep this kind of programming coming in for calls on the line, you know, Emmanuel
They say that the pen any pen is mightier than the sword
Can you imagine what they would say about a pen that can also record video?
I can imagine what who said that who originally said the pen is mightier than the sword at a founding father or was that?
Aristotle or someone said that
And Nixon no
It was Mike Mike said, okay fine Mike's in Mike's quote
But imagine if Mike had known at the time when he said it originally that there was such a thing as a pen with a
Camera in it. I think the quote would be even
Different more different 2 1 2 2 0 9 2 9 5 0 you took away all the phone phone lines
I don't know how many calls there are now. We had like five calls for calls now. We have four
Okay, 2 1 2 2 0 9 2 9 5 0 we're out of time. We gotta get out of here
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That's gonna that's gonna just blow you away. So get ready for that
We'll be back again next week with other material, but I guarantee you we will not have the Steve Rambam DVD set
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Buell were Lytton in
1839 from his play
Rick Leo or
the conspiracy