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And very good evening everybody.
The program is Off The Hook.
Emanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening, the Wednesday after Hope, and we're
all still kind of getting over that, I suppose.
We were actually starting the show a little bit early, well now it's 7 o'clock, so we're
on time, but you got to hear the whole theme, which I guess is kind of a cool thing.
Let's go around the room, say hi to everybody.
Yes, we survived, we survived the last Hope conference, and yeah, what a whole lot of
fun that was.
Mike, how you doing?
I'm doing all right.
Yeah?
Doing okay?
Yeah, doing okay.
Finally got some sleep last night.
Yeah, you know, I got some too, and it didn't feel like enough.
I got about 10 hours, considering I was averaging about two or three per night, the whole conference,
actually starting after last week's show, up until last night, I think I've got a lot
to go before I actually catch up.
And Fred, that's Fred sitting next to you.
Salud.
From Canada.
How you doing?
I'm doing great.
And you actually designed the artwork for the t-shirts and the badges as well, correct?
Yeah, that's right.
Again, this year.
Wow.
So how do you think it came out?
Well, it got a lot of good feedback.
Some people thought it was a little bit morbid, but I guess that was the theme this year,
wasn't it?
Well, I mean, a tombstone, I suppose, and death.
Death with a little child going to the hotel.
A little child walking hand in hand with the figure of death towards the hotel, holding
a balloon.
What?
I didn't really think that was morbid.
I thought that was sort of, you know, cute.
You wore bright colors and everything.
Yeah.
But I could see how people might be a little disturbed by that.
But that was the Hope t-shirt, which I believe we have some left.
And that will show up on the 2600 store at some point.
So if you didn't get one, if you didn't come to the conference, we do have some left.
We'll probably have them left for a little while, but we're not going to reprint them.
And Red Hect, welcome.
I know you weren't at the conference, but-
No, unfortunately.
But well, we'll make it up to you.
In fact, we already came up with a way to make it up for you.
I heard.
So we're going to tell the folks about that.
And Voltaire, welcome.
Hey.
You were one of the people that helped out a lot at the conference doing all sorts of
things.
What are some of the things you did?
I helped with registration.
I helped sell some of that soda with a lot of caffeine in it.
Club Mate.
Yes.
The Club Mate.
We'll talk about that in just a little bit.
That was a smash hit, wasn't it?
Renderman, how are you doing?
I'm doing good.
You're from Canada too.
Yes, I am.
And tell us some of the things you did.
I didn't really see you very much during the conference because you were running around
in other parts while I was going crazy.
Yeah, it was very fun to watch you go crazy.
I was going crazy.
You know, someone talked to me about this in the days following, and I realized that
the conferences are great and all that, everybody gets to spend a lot of time doing things,
but I've got to do two things at once.
I've got to organize the conference and I have to be a celebrity at the same time because
everyone's running up to me with a book.
The book just came out at the conference, The Best of 2600, and everyone wants me to
sign it.
And okay, I'm signing it, but I also have to make sure that the speaker upstairs has
been found and is going to the right room and my phone is ringing and people are screaming
and jumping up and down.
It's great fun.
I enjoyed every minute of it, but it's just, there was just so much you have to do.
And I found myself going to sleep at about four in the morning, sometimes later, but
waking up at like eight in the morning, you know, and feeling like, wow, I have to get
up now because something's happening.
But what were some of the things that you were doing?
First thing I did was hang the big yellow banner that was sitting in the lobby of the
hotel.
Yes.
We almost forgot to bring that back by the way.
Yeah.
You also seem to put it in a big pile of mud or something.
I had actually had to mop the thing, pull it all apart and mop it.
Really?
Got in the big pile?
Well, it's funny you should say that because today it rained a lot and we threw it back
in the warehouse, our warehouse out on Long Island, and the water came in during the rain
and it got all wet again.
So apparently it's destiny that the whole banner stay wet.
Okay.
So at least two years from now when I'm hanging the thing, you got to buy a mop again.
This is the hackers on planet earth banner.
You want to tell us that story, Mike, since you brought it up?
Well, when we received the banner a few conferences ago, we noticed it said hackers on planet
earth instead of, of course, planet earth.
Because somebody didn't proofread it.
Yeah.
Well, a lot of people didn't proofread it.
Somebody was supposed to proofread it and didn't.
And our friend Rob was able to remove the extra T. So now it just says hackers on plan
at earth, which I guess is a little better, but no one seems to notice.
Well, Rob is good at removing things that need to be removed, which is good, I suppose.
And Rob was there too.
Rob was there from Holland, having all kinds of fun.
And I'm really sorry.
All the people that were there.
Well, actually I'm not that sorry.
You should be sorrier because all these people showed up and I wanted to hang out with each
and every one of them, but then they all left either on Sunday or Monday.
And now finally I've got time and they're all gone and now I'm just stuck with the people
here.
Which to be fair is a lot of people.
Yeah.
It didn't come out quite right.
There are just so many others and people I only see every couple of years, but I only
see them when I'm in my most frenzied state.
So we really have to work something else out where we can sort of just hang out and do
fun things.
And not Kevin over there.
How are you?
I'm still a little tired.
You did so much during the conference.
What sorts of things did you experience?
Well, for starters, I was the co-manager of the mezzanine floor with our very own lexicon.
And by night I was also running security and managing the entire floor by myself.
So I was pretty much doing 24 hour shifts and not sleeping.
And you may have noticed during closing ceremony is I only was able to say three words before
I passed out on stage.
So I'd like to take this opportunity to thank-
I thought that was some kind of theatrical thing you were pulling.
No, no, that was just pure exhaustion.
So I'm going to stop the show for a second and take this opportunity to thank all the
projects that came in.
Tell us some of the projects that you saw come in.
Oh, a big thanks to Packet Wars for coming out and doing the Capture the Flag event,
which I think went very well.
I didn't get a chance to even thank those people, let alone go over and play some of
the games.
So maybe give us a sense of how many people took part in that or what was involved.
I honestly-
You didn't look either.
I was running around so much, but every time I walked over that area that was just full
of people.
So I was very happy to see that.
GRL, Graffiti Research Labs, big thanks to them for coming in and doing the throwees,
the laser tag, screen their movie.
That went over very well.
Yeah, that was one of our midnight sessions.
We had two midnight sessions going at the same time.
We had Robert Steele in one room and that was packed with all sorts of people interested
in intelligence analysis and things like that.
I think he talked for about three or four hours.
And then we also had the Graffiti Research Lab in the room over-
Not only did they fill up that entire room, it started at one in the morning.
That was a pretty big thing.
It started at one in the morning because we ran late.
Steve Ranbam ran late.
You got to cut him off.
He went three hours.
That's more than enough for someone of his caliber.
No, he went three hours and 40 minutes.
That was the problem.
I'm saying you gave him three hours and that's more than enough.
Three hours is more than enough.
Yeah, well there was nobody there to take it from him.
That was the problem.
Somebody, I guess someone thought that it would end on time and it just sort of kept
going.
And then we realized, my God, he's still speaking.
And he probably would continue speaking unless somebody physically-
We'll just call the FBI again to haul him off.
Yeah, there's always that, I suppose.
And we also have Rob T. Firefly.
Yeah.
I think Steve Ranbam is actually still there in the hotel speaking.
I don't think he stopped.
Well, yeah, you have to unplug him.
Otherwise, he'll keep going.
Now, Kevin, do you have something else?
Oh, I'm not done yet.
Okay.
Well, big thanks to my own project, Project Telefreak, for bringing in their phone system
and allowing everybody to call over the world for free.
Yeah.
Now, how did that work out?
It worked out very well in almost a constant stream.
People walking up to this pay-
Real pay phones.
Real pay phones.
They were sitting there.
Real pay phones.
We brought in real pay phones and old phones and took them apart, showed people how to
play with them.
And what kinds of conversations?
Were you listening in, or did you just see people having long, dramatic conversations
on the telephone?
There were some very long, dramatic conversations, especially from the international community
over there who had no way of calling back home.
So we kind of gave them that opportunity to-
So you're saying people came from all sorts of countries all over the world, and you gave
them the opportunity to call back home and have tearful conversations with the people
they left behind.
Yes.
That's so nice.
It was a heartwarming experience.
Wow.
And then-
Well, people who did that have you to thank and TeleFreak to thank.
What else?
The tool guys for the lock pickers.
Tool with an extra O.
With-
T-O-O-O-L.
Yes.
Okay.
And what were they up to?
They were picking locks the entire time.
I think everybody was picking locks the whole time.
It's very handy.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
That should not have come up.
I don't know why that came up.
I don't know.
Why are you looking at me for?
I haven't done anything.
Was I the only one that heard that?
No.
Yes.
I was the only one that heard that?
Okay.
I'm sorry.
My headphones are-
Okay.
There we go.
I had a button pushed.
I was queuing something up.
Sorry.
Continue.
I want to thank A-Team and Eyeball and everybody else held up the Segway track.
Yes.
The Segways were a big hit again.
Again.
We had them rolling all over the place.
A lot of people got their first taste of Segways.
A lot of walls were hit.
Well, I wouldn't go that far, but people did spill a couple of times and fall off the things,
but nothing really serious.
Segways stayed in pretty good shape.
Oh.
I want to thank New York Motorcycle of Queens Village for helping to make that possible.
Apparently, that's the only place you can get Segways now is from motorcycle sales people.
Okay.
Whatever.
That's how it works.
Yeah.
We had to make some adjustments to make sure they were working properly, and I think they
were working pretty well.
They were the second model, right?
Second generation.
The second generation.
The last time we had the first generation, and these ones ... How would you say these
ones were different?
The whole steering mechanism is different.
Instead of using a little handlebar, you actually lean the whole mechanism thing.
I don't know how to really describe it.
I had so much fun doing that.
I seem to have a knack for staying on the thing.
Yeah.
I fell off it once, but that was ...
You fell off it multiple times.
No.
I fell off it once because I didn't know how to get off it properly, but once you're on
it, you can just ... Basically, it's intuitive, the way you turn, when you stop.
I was riding through the streets.
I had to go around the block to get to where the van was, where we were putting them.
It was just so cool, riding down the sidewalk, and people wouldn't even see me coming.
I just would move around them.
I know it's illegal.
I know it's probably something that the city thinks is dangerous, but boy, it was fun.
I don't think they're street legal in New York.
No.
They're not.
They're not.
I was not being legal to do that.
The van wasn't being legal either.
Parked on 7th Avenue for three days, but only got two tickets in that whole time.
Now that you've fallen off of a Segway, would you say-
No.
I didn't fall off the Segway.
You fell off the Segway.
It's a little tricky dismounting, because you get off the thing and it keeps moving
forward.
You have to do it just right.
Would you say that that picture of George Bush falling off the Segway was unfairly criticized?
No, because he fell off the Segway when it was still moving, and he was on it.
He didn't know how to stay on it.
Once you're on the thing, it's like standing still, really, except you're moving.
I think the reason they made a version two of the Segway was so that it was George Bush
proof.
George Bush proof.
Yeah.
I'll have to make a version of the country that does the same thing.
Okay.
Continuing here.
Fly, any thoughts as to how the conference went?
The conference went really well.
I did, along with my partner in crime, Gray Frequency, we did a lot of the art and design
work in the conference space, including the paintings that you saw behind the speaker
areas and various signage that you saw scattered around the place.
The paintings were very popular.
The signage was pretty popular.
I think more than a few signs got stolen as the conference wound down, but I'll take
that as a compliment.
Apart from that-
I only saw the signs there.
I guess we had enough backups, because I never saw a room that didn't have a sign.
We actually printed quite a lot of backups, so we were trying to stay ahead of the game
on that.
Beyond that, I had a talk, which went well, and yeah, great con.
Definitely.
Definitely.
In a good way.
I guess in a sense, it was a con, but we'll get into that in a second.
Conference.
Yes.
Lexicon, you certainly were involved quite a bit, both in the RFID and in various other
projects in the second floor.
How do you think it came out all together?
I think it was a great weekend.
My first hope was H2K2, and then I went to the Fifth Hope and Hope No. 6, and those two
didn't really live up to H2K2 for me.
Really?
And this one excelled beyond it, and I was just really excited and really happy about
it.
I think we're almost unanimous in saying this was the best one, because what all the organizers,
the people, you guys, other people that aren't here right now, I just think everyone handled
it so well.
There were no incidents to speak of.
There were various crises, technical problems, but they were dealt with fast.
The hotel was blown away by how professional everybody was, as far as making sure nothing
became a problem.
Which is odd, because we're all a bunch of amateurs.
We are.
We are.
But we're better than professionals on many levels.
So security alone, our security alone was able to just make things move so smoothly.
Just people traffic, for one thing.
This was great.
When Adam Savage got here on Sunday, it was like moving a president, getting him in on
the first floor.
I don't know if it was necessary, but it was done so smoothly and quickly and professionally.
We had people talking through their little microphones and earpieces and communicating
with people on the 18th floor, making sure that he was in the elevator and where he was
at particular points.
At one time, I think we had to use the freight elevators.
And that's another thing.
We know this hotel so well now.
There are so many catacombs and hidden passages and elevators, you don't even know where they
go to.
And I think our people know it better than the hotel people at this point.
It's quite possible, yeah.
It really is.
And it's really awesome to see that happen.
And yeah, it's...
What can I say?
We had a great interview with him on Radio Stadler for about 15, 20 minutes.
Really?
How did Radio Stadler go?
It went really well.
We'd never had enough people doing shows, but the engineering was fantastic and we played
a lot of the Creative Commons music when we didn't have shows and there weren't talks.
But a couple of people that came in and saved us by generating shows at the last minute.
Jason Scott did a very, very late night session keeping our engineers up.
They were playing music and he came in and said, okay, you're not playing music anymore.
And he put me on and talked for quite a long time.
Great.
So now there's an archive of this?
Is this going to be available?
Yeah, it's going to be on radio.hope.net.
We're getting it edited now.
Edited?
Why would you edit it?
I want the raw feed.
Well, because it's really, really big chunks.
Well, yeah.
I want the big chunks.
It's a three-day show.
So we have to kind of...
I want three days.
I want to sit back and relax for three days and relive the whole thing.
Well, I think that's actually already up on Mininova.
Okay.
How do you get to that?
I'm not sure the exact URL.
It's mininova.something.
Okay.
Well, when you find out what it is, let us know.
Org.org.
Yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
Okay.
We have more people here.
There's great frequency over there.
And thank you for all the amazing artwork you did for the conference.
If it was behind the podium, that was her work.
As well as in front of the podium.
Yeah.
In front of the podium, too.
And on the website and various other places.
We had a couple of caskets brought in.
Had a couple of caskets brought in from various parts of the city.
And Voltaire, you and I moved them.
That was fun, wasn't it?
Yeah.
We got to drive in the 2600 van carrying a couple of caskets.
That definitely gets attention when you do that.
And who else?
Lynn, I see you all the way back there.
Why don't you come up and say hi and tell the folks what you were up to during the conference.
Actually, let me introduce Bernie, too.
Bernie, you're down there in Philadelphia.
Yes, I'm here.
And, of course, Lynn can't hear you because he doesn't...
Mike, why don't you lend him your headphone so he can talk to Bernie.
And you guys can talk about the ham radio stuff that was going on during the conference
as well.
So are people hearing me or people hearing Lynn right now?
Right now, I'm hearing you.
We're both on.
Okay.
Well, as you mentioned, one of the projects I was handling at the conference, besides
our internal radio communication system that all our core staff and volunteers were using,
we set up a special event amateur radio station, licensed by the FCC with the call sign W2H,
which was running throughout most of Saturday.
And a bunch of contacts were made both within the U.S. and internationally, both voice and
packet radio communications.
And it was a success.
And an even bigger success was our Sunday morning volunteer examination session where
42 people passed FCC examinations to either get their first ham radio license or to upgrade
theirs to a higher classification.
And that has got to be one of the all-time records in the United States for the number
of hams passing, both in the number of hams passing in just a couple of hours, but the
pass ratio was also extremely high, which isn't a surprise considering this was a group
of a large group of hackers that were gathering with a high level of technical competence.
To have the vast majority of them pass the technical examinations wasn't surprising.
Wow.
Yeah, you pretty much covered it there.
It was...
Thanks a lot, Bernie.
Now you left Lynn with nothing to say.
Oh, okay.
It went very, very well, and I was really, really happy to hear about how well the exam
session went.
We gave a lot of exams at the previous HOPE, but this was, I think, a substantially larger
amount.
And I think some of that was that people came in and were prepared, but you can't...
It's not really something that you can just go sit down and take and pass.
It happens, but probably not your average person.
And of course, there were a lot of unaveraged people.
I think the whole thing went phenomenally smoothly.
And I think the other thing, I don't know, sorry, I snuck in a couple of minutes late.
I think the other thing that was a great success was the Club Mate Clubmate.
That went very well.
So I'll let Mike talk a little bit more about that.
I don't know exactly how much we have left at the end, but it wasn't much.
We have none left.
We have none left.
In fact, we had to dip into some other people's supplies.
And a big thanks to Mike for procuring the stuff in the first place, getting it over
here so that people in the States could get addicted to it, and to Mark S. for being there
almost the whole time selling it, and for the other people that came by too to sell
it.
24 hours.
We were selling the stuff for 24 hours around the clock.
Yeah.
That's a lot of soda.
Yeah.
So you bring in an addictive substance from overseas, feed it to us, and then tell us
that you're out of it.
Yeah.
Isn't that cool?
And the price will, of course, be going up exponentially so that when you do want a resupply,
you have to talk to us.
We can air freight it in for you.
It's very, you know, it's not very heavy.
It's only about a kilogram a bottle.
Now that's something that it was incredible how it worked out.
This is how I knew the conference was going to be a success, because everything worked
out almost to the minute.
Now we were very concerned.
The week before the conference, the show before the conference, we didn't know where this
stuff was.
It had come in late.
No, it was in Staten Island.
Yeah, but we didn't know exactly where.
We didn't know.
We knew exactly where, the Staten Island container terminal.
No, we didn't know.
Yeah, but we didn't know where that was.
We didn't know what state it was in.
All we knew was it was being held by customs.
Staten Island.
You don't know where Staten Island is?
All too well I know where Staten Island is, but the problem is we didn't have access to
the container, the cargo container that had our addictive substance in it.
That sounds bad, doesn't it?
But it's true, okay?
It really is true.
And fortunately, it was cleared, but then we still had to get it delivered, and we had
no idea how we were going to do that.
We were going to get it delivered to Long Island and then somehow bring it in on a big
truck, which by the way, I had to drive a big truck the other day.
Well, the internet's not a big truck.
This was a massive.
You might not have experience.
Massive truck.
But fortunately, we didn't have to do that.
We didn't have to put it on our truck and bring it from the island and then figure out
how to unload it.
The guys from Staten Island, I guess, from the cargo container company or whatever.
Somehow it made its way to New Jersey in the interim.
I don't really know about that.
Because you got to deliver things to New Jersey.
I don't know how that works.
But they brought it to the hotel Thursday morning, and they were so nice.
They helped us.
They actually were there.
They spent extra time to make sure it got off the truck and into the loading zone.
We didn't even know what side of the hotel we were going to be unloading it on, 33rd
Street or 32nd Street, but I just saw case after case coming in, and boy, that was a
good feeling.
And then you guys just started selling them, hand over fist.
Yeah.
A lot of people bought it.
I don't know why.
But, you know, they seemed to like it.
You know why, Bernie?
I know why.
Because, like yourself, Emmanuel, I probably got a couple, three hours sleep each night
for several nights in a row, and it kept me from collapsing without any apparent side
effects.
It was really very useful.
Very useful.
Actually, I think I drove the last existing case of it back to Philadelphia, because Scott
Beban from The Last Film Fest loaned us some video projectors, and I think he bought the
last case of it.
But he took the train back to Philly, so I drove it back to him in the middle of the
night, after spending all of Monday with our friend Jeopardy!
Jim.
And I had one bottle that kept me awake on the way down to Philly.
Now, Mike, you just brought up a picture of the Club Mate for our audience.
I'll wave it by the microphone so the audience can see it.
Why would you take time to find a picture when we're on the radio of the Club Mate?
It took no time at all.
But you were clicking.
Yeah, so.
That means you were looking for it.
Okay, so that went over extremely well.
We saw, go ahead, pass it around.
We saw how it wasn't, you and I saw it in Germany.
Yeah, a lot of people saw it in Germany.
You could definitely, when I was selling this stuff, you could notice a difference.
Some people were, a lot of people were just like, what is this weird stuff you're selling?
Why won't you sell me some water?
And then they were like, all right, I guess I'll try one.
But the people who had come to the conference from Germany, especially, were just like,
walk up and like, one Club Mate right away.
Yeah, they knew.
Very, very efficient.
They knew exactly what it was.
And, you know, we accepted their Euros even for optimal addiction, you know, speed.
What kind of reactions did you notice from the Club Mate newbies?
Well, some people threw it out only partially drunk.
Very few, well, first of all, let's not misinterpret that remark.
Not drunk as an alcoholic drunk, that they only drank a little bit then put it down.
But not very many people did that.
Most people bought two, sometimes four at a time.
Yeah, and then other people got addicted to it.
And then some people started buying cases.
And we didn't even offer a discount for the cases.
No, there's no reason to because the stuff sells itself.
They almost don't need us.
And something else had happened that was extremely lucky.
We found a big refrigerator that was right there in the space that somebody repaired.
It was broken.
Someone of us actually repaired the refrigerator so that it would work and keep the stuff cold.
Because we didn't know how we were going to keep it cold.
We were thinking of having a bucket with ice.
And I'm glad that didn't happen because that would have been hard to transport and empty out and things like that.
It would have been a nightmare.
But it worked out.
Everything worked out.
And that's just a small piece of what was going on.
Actually, Ted is here.
Ted is the guy who was recording everything.
Come and step up and say hi.
It really appeared like a knight in shining armor to save us from one of the biggest problems we had.
Basically, we have so much material.
We have over 100 talks.
And how do we possibly get it all together and record it and make sure it's all on DVD quickly?
And I don't think you slept at all, did you?
Oh, yeah.
I slept pretty good the first night.
And then after that, it was hard rolling up.
3 a.m. the next night.
And then actually on Sunday after the conference, I didn't sleep at all.
Yeah.
But that's par for the course.
I do this almost every weekend of the year.
So I'm used to it.
You do this every weekend of the year?
Well, almost.
I have December and January are my dark months.
And then because show season kind of wraps up then.
Come to Germany and do for CCC in Berlin.
I'm sure they can make use of your talents.
Yeah.
I'm pretty well booked.
But actually, I'm trying to finagle.
There's the OS swap here in town here in September, end of September.
So I'm trying to finagle.
I'm already doing a show that weekend.
I'm trying to get back here to do another application security conference.
Do you need work?
Do you want us to give out a website for you?
Yeah.
I'm actually starting up a new venture called Video Squads, videosquads.com.
The site's not built yet.
But it's basically a MySpace for videographers concept
where teams of videographers all over the world could be dispatched
to various conferences and events to basically record content
and upload it to a main server.
And so I've been working on that in terms of gathering equipment.
We're trying to get an equipment grant from Sony
and gathering other resources and labor pools worldwide actually.
There's a lot of content that goes undocumented and unrecorded
at conferences all over the world.
And I'd like to see it be recorded.
Yeah.
And you share the passion that we have for this.
We want to document.
You want to document it all and make sure that it's all captured,
preserved for history.
That's extremely important.
So many of these things don't get preserved.
I mean, they're around for a little while, but there's a lot of history here.
Yeah.
My end goal with all this material is that 30, 50, 100 years from now,
long after most people listening to this are gone,
I hope to have this stuff available in whatever format that is current at the time.
Right.
I'm setting up actually a nonprofit foundation to help manage the rights
and board of directors and that kind of stuff to basically see this stuff
through the next generations to come so that people can plop down
and watch what we recorded this weekend live in their brain if they want to.
Cool.
All right.
Well, again, we can't thank you enough for all your efforts.
And you recorded all three tracks?
Yeah, actually all four.
There were the three main tracks, the two really main tracks,
and then kind of a sub track,
and then there was kind of a lightning track where people could sign up
and do their own presentation.
And so there were a number of those on the three days.
So we actually did all four tracks.
I think the total title count for the whole conference is 111 or 112 DVDs.
Wow.
And those will eventually be available on mediaarchives.com,
which is the company that was here recording it.
Right now I don't really do much distribution or selling,
but I do post stuff on YouTube.
And I am actually in the process of posting some of the keynotes,
Adam Savage and Mitnick, Kevin Mitnick, and a couple others on my YouTube account.
And if you'd like to see those, you can go to HackerDVDs.com,
and I'll redirect the link there.
It's not set up yet, but hopefully by tomorrow or the next day,
people will go check out what we've recorded
and hopefully be here again in a couple of years.
I hope so too.
Great.
Thanks very much for your efforts, Ted.
On that subject, actually, you mentioned something that I guess maybe people
who weren't at the conference don't know about.
But, yeah, there was a bit of a misunderstanding, and I apologize for that.
There were a couple of different meanings for the word last,
and I guess people assumed that by calling it the last hope that it was the last,
as in final hope.
Somebody recorded this on YouTube, and the audio is not that great,
but these are basically some of the last words that we were saying at the closing ceremonies
where we sort of explain what we actually meant.
Let's see if this can come up.
Here we go.
He would constantly come up to me and ask me that question,
and all he could say to me was, it's because that's what it is.
It's the last hope.
I mean, you know, why is anything anything?
Things happen for a reason.
We all know the definitions of words.
Last, of course, meaning final.
That's it, no more.
There you go.
Yeah.
And, well, I mean, you know, there's good and there's bad to definitions of words.
All right?
And, for instance, this is one thing you can say.
This is the last year we'll have this man as our president.
I am not injecting politics into acting.
What I'm doing is simply using the word in a sentence.
And it's a fact.
Now, here's where I must take a little bit of responsibility
for perhaps not being entirely clear.
There is a different meaning to the word last.
The most recent, previous, the one that just happened.
For instance, the question being, did you attend the last Hope Conference?
Yes.
And I attend to it.
I'll be at the next Hope Conference.
Okay, so this is the part where, on the screen, the text says,
The next Hope, Hotel Pennsylvania, summer 2010.
And, yes, the last Hope.
All he meant by that was the most recent Hope, the one that just happened.
Were you at the last Hope?
Yeah, I was just there.
Will you be at the next Hope?
Yes, in two years, the next Hope.
I guess, you know, nobody told me that that was being misinterpreted so much.
People thought it was the final Hope.
And I guess you guys didn't know that either, huh?
And the coffins.
Well, okay, yeah, the caskets, the caskets and all, yeah,
all the blackness and death and all that kind of thing.
Yeah, it was just kind of, you know, cool.
I thought it was nice.
What do you think, Bernie?
We're going to have the same problem in the year 2011
when people ask you, did you go to the last Hope?
They won't know whether you're talking about the next Hope or the Hope that happened this year.
Yeah, and also it's going to be hard for people who want to go to the next Hope in 2011
that's going to be taking place in 2012
because then people will think that they're talking backwards somehow.
Do you want to go to a Hope that already happened, which was the next Hope in 2010?
So, yeah, we have some language challenges ahead of us.
I guess we're just going to have to tackle that as it comes.
Dragorn joins us now.
Dragorn, of course, is the person, the mastermind behind the network,
the, I would say, almost completely flawless network that we had at the last Hope.
Dragorn, are you there?
I am.
Well, first of all, congratulations.
I think this has never been accomplished before,
but things were so smooth that people were in foreign countries
were watching and listening to what was going on and commenting on it,
and people at the conference were able to stay connected
and that usually doesn't happen.
Usually there are long periods of downtime or things are extremely slow.
To what do you attribute all this?
We learned a lot from the previous year,
so this year we learned several things not to do,
like make our own patch cables.
Well, yeah, okay, that's definitely a good idea.
But learning from experience, pretty much.
Yeah, it worked out really well.
The badges were all accessible from the Internet.
You could watch where people were moving around.
There was the Telefreak guys running the VoIP to anywhere in the world,
and Radio Statler broadcasting out over MP3 streams.
Very cool, very cool.
Yeah, any stories, any bits of fun that happened
while you were trying to keep the whole thing going?
No, things went really surprisingly smoothly.
The only hiccups we had were external to the conference,
where fiber runs in New York City and whatnot went down,
which took out Internet for us briefly.
But other than that, things stayed up really well, the whole conference.
Great. Well, again, congratulations on that.
Anyone else that you'd like to give credit to
for helping to keep the thing going?
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Thanks to everyone who worked in the NOC, Binary and Porkchop and Bill
and Nick and Louise and RenderMan
and everyone who came by for helping with setup.
Also, the guys at Arena 1 and Pyro
who got us Internet access for the conference, which is great.
Now tell us something about Arena 1.
We basically had a couple of dishes that got us Internet access?
Right. Since we can't get any wired lines into the hotel,
we had two WiMAX dishes on the roof,
which were aimed across Manhattan,
which then got us 36 megabit via Arena 1,
which is quite a bit of bandwidth for a conference in the U.S.
Awesome.
Okay, well, again, thank you very much for all your help.
I imagine you're still recovering from all the work you put in.
You must be up all the time during the weekend.
I think just about all of us are still recovering from the weekend.
Yeah, I'm not quite here yet.
It's jet lag. I feel jet lag.
That's definitely what I feel.
I just got back online this afternoon
and haven't responded to anybody's e-mail yet,
but there's a lot to be done still.
But I think everybody who came, I think they were all very happy.
Actually, we're going to try to take some phone calls in just a little bit.
But first, we have to do this.
And, Dragon, you're welcome to stay with us.
I don't know if you have someplace else to be, but you're welcome.
I can stay for a bit.
Okay, great.
But this is actually a fundraising show.
We're here in the middle of July,
and this is our emergency fundraiser for this particular time of the year.
And this is smaller than our usual fundraisers.
We don't have a whole lot of premiums,
but basically what we're asking folks to do
is call in and show support for the radio station
so that we can keep going
and help make things like The Last Hope possible.
Because while this was a 2600 and hackers on planet Earth enterprise,
the spirit of WBAI plays a large part in it.
And I think many, many people got involved as a result of this.
We were able to go on the air and talk about various things,
talk about what we needed and the progress of where we were going.
And that really makes a big difference.
If this place were not here,
a lot of what we experienced this weekend would not have happened.
So we want you, our listeners,
the people that are a part of our audience,
to take part and pledge to the station.
I'm sold. How do I do it?
How do you do it?
You really want to know?
I want to know.
Because I'm going to watch. Make sure you do it.
Okay.
All right. You call 212-209-2950.
And the person on the other end of the phone
will be happy to guide you in various ways that you can contribute.
So it's 212-209-2950, you said?
That's what I said, yes.
Oh, okay.
I'm going to repeat that one more time.
212-209-2950.
Country Code 1.
Country Code 1, yes.
Okay.
And for a pledge of $25 or above,
you'll get an off-the-hook t-shirt,
which is something you can only get by calling the radio station and pledging.
And for a pledge of $75,
we have this special George Carlin's Seven Dirty Words CD
that has been specially prepared for this occasion
because, well, the late, great George Carlin, of course,
played a major role in this radio station back in the 70s,
getting us into court, in front of the Supreme Court, in fact,
and basically defining policy or lack thereof
as to what obscenity and indecency really is.
I'd like to play a little bit of that,
a piece of the George Carlin.
You can't play George Carlin on the radio.
He lost.
What do you mean he lost?
He lost.
You can't play.
All his pieces aren't clean.
Yeah, but this particular,
this is what we put together for the—
I'm going to turn my phone off.
That seems wise, yeah.
Somebody's being a bit of a jerk here and calling me.
Hang on.
You can use the rooster to be bad and the obscenity isn't.
Sorry?
You can use the rooster to be bad and the obscenity isn't.
Yeah.
Okay, so let's go to—
212-209-2950 is the phone number to get this CD.
Here's George Carlin.
Okay, I don't know if this is George Carlin.
This is George Carlin.
This is what the CD they handed me,
but it doesn't sound like George Carlin.
Does that sound like George Carlin to you?
I'm going to skip to the next track and see what's on there.
Life is so beautiful.
This sounds like the other CD.
Oh, you know what this is?
Okay, this is a special—
you know, I didn't have time to read this through it,
but this is a special CD called Seven Dirty Words
that features some George Carlin material,
but other material as well.
It's put together by Peter Beauchamp here at the radio station.
So it's not just George Carlin.
It's all kinds of other things.
All right, let's go back.
Let's go back to track number two.
Look, this is what happens.
We had an epic adventure getting here today in the first place,
but here we go.
Words you can't say you're not supposed to say all the time.
People are into words.
They want to hear your words.
Some guys like to record your words.
Tell them back to you if you can.
Listen in on your telephone.
Write down what words to say.
Curse words and swear words.
Words you can't say you're not supposed to say all the time.
And I was thinking one night about the words you couldn't say
on the public airwaves.
The ones you definitely couldn't say, ever.
Curse words and swear words.
The ones you definitely couldn't say, ever.
Ever.
Ever.
Ever.
Ever.
Power does what it wants.
So now they're just more naked about it.
Now they just put it right out front and say,
this is what we're doing to you folks.
It's, you know, this country's finished.
It's been sliding downhill a long time.
And everybody's got a cell phone that makes pancakes
so they don't want to rock the boat.
They don't want to make any trouble.
People have been bought off by gizmos and toys in this country,
and no one questions things anymore.
Seriously, that's what I love about your show.
I mean, you bring the thing right to them,
and that's the only way to do it.
As you know.
Don't mean a thing.
If you ain't got that thing.
Don't mean a thing.
Okay, and this CD, it's been clarified,
is called Seven Dirty Words.
It's got 18 songs on it, goes for 1.1 hours.
And it is yours for a pledge of $75.
212-209-2950.
We've got to see those phones start ringing
so that we can ensure that we'll come back next week
and do more fun things, talk about hopes and more.
Again, for this hour only,
any pledge $25 and above gets an off-the-hook t-shirt,
which is something I saw quite a few people wearing over the weekend.
In fact, I just saw somebody wearing one now in the studio.
And I don't know.
Anybody else have any reasons why?
Calling this number?
There's only about 20 minutes left is what you're saying.
We've been remiss in asking for the pledges
because we've been so excited talking about hope.
So I want to make sure that that's not a bad thing,
that we don't hurt the station by talking about hope so much.
Let's see those phone lines start lighting up.
212-209-2950.
One call?
Okay, we can get five calls easily.
Five calls.
212-209-2950.
If this place means anything to you,
if you've listened to this show
and gotten something out of it in the past,
and maybe you came to hope as a result
of listening to this particular show,
or maybe you heard something
that came from one of the conferences,
or you just got turned on to the hacker view
because you turned on to this radio station,
this is your chance to give something back
and to keep this place going
so more people can experience that in the future.
It's not a whole lot.
We take all kinds of credit cards,
and there's all sorts of different pledge levels.
The CD is one thing we're giving away.
There's many, many other things as well.
212-209-2950.
Okay, one of us in the studio,
we have a whole studio packed full of people.
One of us has got to get these phone lines
to start lighting up.
Who's it going to be?
You want to try, Voltaire?
Yeah, how much would the FCC charge you
if you said all seven dirty words?
If we said all seven dirty words?
Well, it's something like, I think,
what, 300,000 per offense?
Is it that, or was it 200?
It's outrageous.
Although there is some good news on that phone,
but we'll get to that later.
I'd like to know,
I'd like to know basically how much it cost.
Let's say it's 300 even.
It's probably a little bit more than that.
That's 21, you know what, I can't even,
$2.1 million.
That's more than,
just $300,000 just by itself
is more than the entire amount of money
we hope to raise in this call.
So it's really $200,000.
It sounds like a lot of money,
but it's really a very modest sum
in terms of a radio station.
You know, if we said one of those seven words,
which is right over my head,
tempting me to say them.
Three calls on the line.
Then we'd just go broke.
We'd have to do this endlessly.
But you can maybe donate us $300,000
and we'll be able to say such a word.
Call 212-209-2950.
And if you donate that much money,
you can choose which word we get to say.
You know, this is an interesting way of doing things.
Let's make sure the check clears first
before we actually take them up on that.
That's getting the phones lighting up,
I'll say that.
212-209-2950.
You can be creative and imaginative
in what you pledge for, I suppose.
How much did you say that CD cost?
This CD is $75.
So that's just a tiny fraction
of what it would cost to hear it on the radio.
And it will come directly to your home
if you call 212-209-2950.
That's right.
It's a $2.1 million value for $75.
Well, I think he says some words different times, too.
So if you add that up,
there's all kinds of, yeah,
this thing is almost priceless.
It really is priceless, though.
This radio station is certainly priceless.
There's no way you could ever have a place like this
come out of nothing today.
You couldn't just have a massive radio station
broadcasting from the top of the Empire State Building
to four states.
It just wouldn't happen.
It just wouldn't happen.
212-209-2950.
Down to one call again.
You know, there's a room full of volunteers down there,
isn't there?
I believe so, yeah.
So let's make their job a challenge.
And we have so many people in here
that if we needed more volunteers,
we could certainly just send some people over.
So there's no reason to fear calling us.
Right, right.
And just to give you an example,
how many people do we have in here?
We have about just over 10 people.
If we each pledged the $75 for the CD,
we'd be almost at $1,000.
It takes very few people to get to a huge amount.
You're handing me money now, Kevin?
Okay, that's good.
Thank you.
Everybody hand over the cash.
That's awfully nice.
If you're not in the room to hand over the cash,
you need, of course, to call 212-209-2950,
and you can pass your cash through the telephone that way.
Now, I know people will say,
where are the Hope tickets?
Where are the DVDs that we give away
or all the massive sweatshirts that we're always offering?
And yeah, okay, this time,
this time it's a little bit more basic than that.
It's BAI-based premiums.
It's all kinds of other things.
The premiums should not matter.
They should not be the reason you're calling.
This is an emergency phone drive.
This is something that has to be dealt with
or the station goes away.
You know this is an emergency phone drive
because I'm holding a flyer with angle brackets on it.
They didn't even have time to make arrows.
That's how hurried this drive is.
Okay, well, that's scary right there.
Yeah, 212-209-2950.
All right, three calls again.
And maybe you can donate some lines
to attach to the angle brackets.
If we can break $1,000 for the hour,
I would think that would be phenomenal,
and that would help so much.
And it just takes 10 people pledging $100 each to do that.
And 10 people.
I know we have many, many, many listeners.
10 people is nothing, but it's also everything.
212-209-2950.
This CD, I believe it carries things from all over WBAI,
not just George Carlin or...
Yeah, there's all kinds of...
There's a piece here on Lou Hill
and the founding of Pacifica
along with many other First Amendment-type issues,
things that this radio station has been about
since its founding back in 1960.
And it's existed in all this time
despite all the garbage that surrounds it
on the commercial dial because of you, our listeners,
not because of the corporate sponsors,
not because of the commercials we play,
because we don't play any,
because people like you calling us
and pledging however much you can afford.
That is what's done it, and that, my friends, is a miracle.
212-209-2950.
And with this CD, you'll get two tracks
that we can't play on the air.
So the CD we have here in the studio
is a messed-up CD with only 16 tracks.
I wouldn't say messed-up CD.
It's a censored CD.
Well, it's modified for airplay, yes.
You have to modify things for airplay.
But the CD you will receive in the mail
contains eight tracks,
including the very famous original routine
of the Seven Degrees.
Eighteen tracks.
Okay, yes, a lot of tracks.
212-209-2950 is the number to get that.
Or if you just want the off-the-hook T-shirt,
that's a pledge of $25 or more will get you that.
And whatever you pledge, of course,
you'll keep WBAI on the air.
There are more than this amount of premiums, too.
If you call up and ask people,
they will tell you all kinds of other things.
Now, we have three calls on the line now.
Three seems to be what we hit.
Okay, now we have two because a pledge has just been taken.
It goes very fast.
I want to see more than three, though.
I want to see three come in and then more come in
on top of that, because that tells me
that there are more people out there.
212-209-2950.
I can't even say the name of the track on it.
What, because the name has a word in it?
The name has two of the words.
Two words, so that's a $600,000 track right there
just by saying the title.
It's that good.
I thought it was $300,000 for all seven words.
No, I don't think it's a package deal, Mike.
I thought it was $50,000 a word.
No, we've got four calls.
There we go.
212-209-2950.
So this CD is also a way for...
I know we have some listeners who aren't very familiar
with AI beyond this show.
Look at this, six calls.
They're out there, 212-209-2950.
You listeners on the internet,
you help us out so much.
People in other countries, we exist for you.
If you get hold of this CD,
it's a nice little encapsulated opportunity
to check out some more of what this station
has to offer besides just this cool stuff.
Absolutely.
There is a lot going on in this place.
It's really inspirational to me
to see a place like this where there are literally
people and the things they're producing,
the things they're talking about are things
that just are not covered in the mainstream media
for whatever reason.
And hacking happens to be one of them.
Yes, hacking is covered in the mainstream media,
but it's misrepresented.
It's represented as a threat, as a bad thing.
And anyone who experienced this last weekend
knows what a good thing it can be.
And I think so many eyes were open to that.
In the audio recording that you played,
George Carlin mentioned a cell phone
that makes pancakes.
As such, no.
That's available as education by listening to the CD
and hearing how absurd our culture has become
with all the gizmos and gadgets.
Bernie?
You could actually use the CD
as a spatula
to flip pancakes.
And you'd be the person to do that, yes.
On a more serious note,
listeners to this station
may find these pledge drives a bit annoying,
but the total amount of time
that we ask our listeners to support this station
and keep it on the air
is a small fraction of the amount of time
that commercial stations broadcast
arguably far more annoying
corporate ads
which drive up the price
of commercial products
and influence the content
of commercial stations.
We have no corporate sponsors.
We're not beholden to any corporation's
viewpoint that says,
oh, we're going to pull our sponsorship
if you say this or that.
We don't have to deal with that.
So this is why it's really important
to support a listener-supported station.
So please call 212-209-2950.
And this noise in the background,
I don't want to say noise,
this sound in the background,
this music in the background,
this has special meaning to us at the conference.
This is one of the outro pieces
that we had quite
in a closing ceremony this time.
Let's relive this memory for a second.
Please dance along.
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Let's keep those calls coming in we need we need a lot more than what we have so far
Mike how about telling us something about what this was all about this music that we played at the closing ceremonies
Oh, this is called surf in multimedia
It's from 1996 sort of just as the internet was entering the public conscious. This was a
Competitor to enter the Eurovision Song Contest it didn't even make it to the contest let alone win, but it's really a classic song
The course the translation is surfing surfing through the world with multimedia
surfing surfing day and night on the information superhighway
And it's got some great lines in it like and if you're lacking some megabytes
You can find them here with me be at interface or cyberspace. I'll gladly share with you and
You can just go online of course surfing sur FBN multimedia and get the whole lyrics. It's really
Amazing we have our friend Johannes from Austria to thank for this he he led a rousing finale
And and got everybody singing and dancing and of course this is after we learned
Or most people learned that there will be a next hope this is not the last last hope this is
Just one of the series so yeah the mood was rather festive at this point
I think we Johannes reports that American hackers do dance slightly more than German hackers. That's good. No good
That's very good to know all right two and two two zero nine two nine hundred or call in line
But I want to see some more pledges come in two and two two zero nine two nine five. Oh keep those coming in
Let's see who's out there. Good evening. You're on off the hook. Hi there
Cool yeah, I was unfortunately able to make it out to hope this year
But I hope to make it for the next hope
But I actually have two things to bring up one your best of 26 under a hacker odyssey. Oh, yes
I forgot to mention that yes, well
I'd just like to let your listeners know that Amazon sorry excuse me chapters in Canada is actually selling it for
30 bucks Canadian and after taxes and everything it works out with $36
So if anyone's looking for a good deal on the book check out Canada. Yeah, definitely
I'm told it's in the top 100 of Amazon, which is great
We hope to keep that going make this thing a best-seller I saw it in st
Mark's books here in New York City right there in the window. I was pretty pretty man next to Kafka and
various other
Interesting related books you refuse to sign it though. Well refuse to sign it because I wasn't really asked to sign it
We were sort of trying to get them to ask me to sign it, but I wasn't really that into it
I'm into you know forcing celebrities on people
But
We tried looking for it in borders today couldn't find it
They said they hadn't gotten it yet or something or they were going to get it
Yeah, I have ordered my copy so I will have it in a couple of days
But yeah, I think I want to ask actually is I haven't heard much of an update on our good friend Jim
I kind of miss listening to him. I wonder what's up with them. Okay?
Well, I'm glad you asked and we're gonna answer that on the on the air
So so listen to our answer there, but Jim actually was at the conference. In fact burning
Can you give us an update on that?
Yes
Due to a lot of help from some individuals who all listen to the station who volunteered including Donna
David Michael Leo and and Sergei
With all their help and myself we managed to get help pick up Jim
Make in his first public appearance take him Friday to the hope conference
Get him a place to stay at the hope at the hotel and he had three
Amazing days where listeners were able to greet him. He was able to meet listeners. You've never met before
He was able to really bask in a conference that he's been a part of since the very first one in 94
I was fortunate enough to have some time on Monday after the conference to spend all day with him and
Talk with him about his experience and it made a huge
Difference to him. He really looked well to you know, he looked much better than the last time
I saw him and he was able to interact
Much better communicate better. And yeah, you're right. I think I made a big difference. I think he's gonna be back on the show
Sometime this year based on progress. He's making he's fine mentally. He just has trouble trouble talking
We're still working on getting that part of his brain
back in shape, but it was it was a he said it was a
Incredible experience for him to come to the hope conference and I want to thank everybody like I did mention their names
Yes, and Jim's probably listening right now. I want to thank him for for being there and for
Just making things so much better
You could tell you know, whenever something was mentioned about him from the stage his reaction
Hey, there's nothing lost there
he he's he's 100% as far as understanding what's being said about him or to him and
Hopefully all the rest will be back. And yes, I look forward to him being back on the air
He's definitely listening right now. He said he would be and he's got his little portable radio
Picture I can picture him in my mind him. They're listening to us right now. Okay, let's see if we can take one more phone call
Good evening. Nope that moved over. We didn't move to over there. Good evening. You're on off the hook
Go ahead. Hello. Emmanuel. Yes. Yeah. All right. All right. That's a Cuba guy again. Good evening. You're on off the hook
Yes, I don't want to talk to you right now
Good evening. You're you're on off the hook. I talked to him all weekend. Hello. Yes, what's on your mind?
Um, not much. I just wanted to say hi to everybody and thank them for all their hard work this weekend at hope
I mean I was there it was my first con and it was absolutely wonderful
Great, and where'd you come from? Um, I came up from Chicago
Okay. Okay, and will you be at the next hope?
Absolutely. Okay. That's good to know. That's good to know. What was your favorite part? Um, I know that's a tough question
I know it was hard. My favorite part was probably the phone losers of America talk to us because that's the
Community, I'm most involved in with the Internet. So it was really nice to
Meet all the people on the boards put the faces to the names and laugh at a lot of prank phone calls
Awesome. All right. Listen, thanks so much for coming or being a part of the the conference and we definitely look forward to having you
there next time
Now I know Fred you were
instrumental in in obviously getting the t-shirts
done and
Distributed and things like that and thing is a lot of people don't realize we have a lot of artists doing various things
But your work in particular for the shirts and the various other things you've done in the past
They really a lot of people ask how how they can get more of this
I know you've you've got a website going where you're really pursuing some more artwork as well. How can people learn more?
Well, I have a portfolio online now at web address effigy calm. That's
Eph
Igy.com and they can find it there and download it and take a look at what I've done over the years the best best work
I've put you've designed album covers and covers t-shirts
Lots of different conferences to there was one in Montreal. Mm-hmm. I've done
Christine Chapel, is that you?
Just just the back part. Oh, yeah. Yeah and the bridge trestles perhaps and sides of buildings and things like that
Yeah, I mean it's just amazing what you can do when you have this kind of talent but these t-shirts
I don't know if they're online anywhere if the artwork is online. We can just describe them now
They will be pretty soon. We offer them on the store. Well, they actually sold better this year than last time
So we must be doing something right? Oh, yeah, most definitely. Well, you're doing something, right for sure
But give that address one more time. So people it's effigy calm. That's
Ephigy that's not how you spell effigy though
No, the other one was taken surprisingly, uh-huh, but it has special meaning to you for what reason well if you take my initials
It's FG. So it's
That's clever. That's very clever. Okay, folks
We got to get at least one more call coming in on this line
Somebody somebody figure out a way to get that phone to ring. Come on. Who's gonna do it?
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Listeners don't want us to stay on the air. We have a minute left
Maybe they've forgotten that if they play $75 or more, they'll get this wonderful CD of George Carlin with some background music
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I want to thank all the people who weren't here tonight
There are hundreds of them thousands of them we had I think about 3,000 people show up and
They all were so cool. So well-behaved. They made this whole thing an incredible incredible historic event and I
Really can't thank them enough, but I'll certainly try. All right
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