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The program is off. No, don't get off the phone. Don't get off the phone. Stay on the
phone. This is a hectic show so everybody can stay on the phone and make
their personal calls. Yeah, this is the pre-hope show where we have a studio
filled with people and everybody's leaving their phones on, right? So we can
demonstrate how crazy it's been. This is the day before the day
before the conference and it's going ballistic, isn't it? Some people
call that two days before. Yeah, yeah, well I've lost that ability. It's been...
Okay, who's first? Lexicon, okay. Let's not try to make the calls too long at
least. Yes, the last Hope Conference is starting on Friday at the Hotel
Pennsylvania in New York. A bunch of us have already been to the hotel setting
things up. I got to drive a huge truck today but I'm gonna tell that story in
just a little bit. First, introductions. Mike is here. Hi. And that's not Kevin
over there. That's me, hey. All right, and is that the Cheshire Catalyst? Yes, I'm
afraid it is. Wow, you're in from where? From Florida. Florida, wow, cool. And you
come to all the Hope Conferences? Yep, everyone so far. And Lexicon's over there
playing with his phone. Hello. How you doing? We've got all kinds. Is that
RenderMan I see in the back there? Other people, let's come up and say hi. Now, you
were Red Hat last time but you're not this time so you got to come up with
something else. No, I'm not Red Hat this time. No, you're not. So who are you? DotRet. Okay, you're DotRet.
That's cool. And that's Rob T. Firefly over there. Good evening. Looks like I
can't see all the other people. Hey team, how you doing? Hello. You're also from
Florida? Yes. So you must know Cheshire. Kennedy Space Center, right? Yes. Yeah, okay. You two probably know each other from down there. And it's
great frequency over on the other side of the room. And you're a friend of
his, okay. And Mark S. Step up and say hi. Oh, you know, you said hi last week. You
can say one more word this week. Okay, we've just been running around. Actually,
Mark, you have the programs, right? Where are the programs? We just got the program. We mean
they're out there? You left them unguarded? No, the programs for The Last
Hope, they are officially out. We just picked them up. Nobody knows where they
are. We've lost them already. I'm sorry, they're behind me. No, they're behind me.
Listen to this quality. That's nice and hard. You know, I would like that very
much. Actually, DotRet, why don't you hit him over the head with that? Hit him. No, you can do better than that.
That's your hand. No, no, hit his head. There you go. Yeah, good, good. No, you have to roll it up for, you know, optimal.
All right, all right. So the program book is in hard copy. People are lined up to hit
Kevin on the head. Here's a whole bunch of them there. You guys can look through
that. And yeah, this is our Spiffy program that has all the talks and all
the speakers and various other things. We're gonna be happy. So Mary Poppins is
going to Hope. Don't give away the cover. People have to come and see for
themselves. Okay, and who's on the phone with us? No one. Where's Bernie? I don't
know. What do you mean you don't know? I can call him again. Bernie's on his way here, he said. We
talked to his voicemail last week. I'll bet he is. We can easily do it this week, but we
don't want to give his phone number. No, we don't want to do that. So maybe you
should pulse it out. No, okay, go ahead. I'll turn it down. Bernie, you're probably
listening to us now. So honk your horn or something. You're probably driving up
furiously frustrated that you're out of cell phone range, but in radio range, and
can't reach us for that reason. But Bernie is in fact heading for New York.
So lock your doors tonight. Yeah. All right, this is Bernie's phone ringing. We
have backups if we don't reach Bernie. We have many. So many people. People are
flying in from all over the world. General Biafra is coming tonight. He won't
make it to the show, but Kevin Mitnick's on his way. Oh, there he is. Bernie, you're
on the phone. Where exactly are you? I'm just departing Philadelphia with a
vehicle full of equipment for the HOPE conference. You know, Mark talked to you a
few hours ago, and you were just departing Philadelphia then. It's a hard city to leave,
isn't it? I had to pick up some video projectors and some other things that
weren't available just a little while ago. Okay, well that's good. So I guess you
won't make it to the show unless you really know how to fly. I really wish I
had one of those transporters I remember from Star Trek. That would be so handy
right now. Well, drive safe. The important thing is that you get here in as few
pieces as possible. Well, the car will be probably one of the one most full of
mass on a New Jersey turnpike. Don't put yourself down like that. It'll be
great to see you up here in New York. What are you looking forward to the most
at the conference? It's Lexicon again with this phone. No one else's phone is
ringing. Let me turn down the... Yeah, maybe the echo is less now. Hello? Yes, we're
still here. We're still here. Yes. Say something interesting. Oh, okay. I was just
going to say, there's so much going on at this conference. There's the, there's a
telephone network being put in, a telephreak network. There's lock-picking
village. There's the, there's all these hacker spaces from around the world are
coming to show the projects they're working on. And there's... Okay, hold on one
second. Lexicon, your phone now has rung every... What is this? A submarine? It's text messages.
Those are text messages? But no one else's? Everybody here has their phone on and yet
nobody else is getting messages? My phone was ringing every 15 seconds. I have two
of them. I'm getting questions about the whole RFID thing. Uh-huh. Well, the whole RFID thing is happening. So, people listening, just, that's the answer to the
question. Now, Bernie, just to interrupt you for a second, you mentioned the
telephreak people. Actually, a few of them are here. Nat, Kevin, you want to do
some introductions? Oh, sure. Well, that's not much of an introduction. Just say,
this is, this is X, you know. That's your job. Okay, go ahead. Introduce yourself, Beev. I'm Beev from Telephreak. I'm doing the project this year. Now, tell us
something about the project and, but you gotta tell that little thing there.
All right, well, we're primarily to the Asterix server. We have conferencing. We're
setting up kind of like the old 2600 voice BBS system and lots of other
strange little, little things that we're adding into the project as we're going
on. You actually remember the old 2600 voice BBS system? Actually, I never called
into it, but I've read about it. Uh-huh. People have written about it. Right. You
remember it, Bernie? I remember it. I had a, I had a mailbox on that system and it was a, it was a fun
system. For, I especially like the, just the general message board. People could
just leave all kinds of messages and people could just play them all back and
it was totally anonymous and it was a lot of fun. Yeah, it was the days before
caller ID was everywhere, so you never knew who was calling. And there were some
really interesting anonymous messages that were left there for everyone. It was
sort of like a voice bulletin board system. Yeah, that's what it was, voice BBS.
And, um, oh, there's a project that has not been covered yet that's going to be
attempted at Hope this year. Only one? There's more than one, but... There's one that no
one has said anything about yet. There's probably several nobody has said anything
about yet, but we're going to attempt to set up a free-to-air Earth downlink
station on the roof. We're going to have a set of satellite dish and receive
signals from satellites that most people never see programming from. This is going
to be foreign television and radio channels that no cable company or direct
TV or dish network would touch with a 10-foot pole. These are satellites orbiting
Earth? Yes, these are geosequential satellites that are used by other
countries to distribute audio and video programming to their citizens, which
generally is not of interest to corporations that provide itself
programming to US citizens, like for instance Al Jazeera. There aren't very
many cable companies or satellite companies that will like offer that. And
you could watch live television from Saudi Arabia. You could watch the
camel races. Yeah, the camel races this year are particularly interesting, but we'll
save that for another show. But it's been a hard-fought competition, really, to the
end. Is this the one with like the six-year-old jockeys? Let's not, yeah.
That's another show. But here's the thing. You mentioned Al Jazeera, and in
fact there's a cable company in Burlington, Vermont, that offers Al Jazeera
in English. And there are some people there who are up in arms saying, how dare
you offer this freedom of speech and alternative viewpoint, and they want to
shut it down. But of course it's been on for about two years now, and most people...
Okay, whose phone is that? Someone else's phone. Okay, cool. We have other phones
ringing. There is a small but loud group of people that want to
shut it down, but I think most people want to choose for themselves. That's
right, and so there'll be a demo. It'll be located at the W2H ham radio station,
and there'll be a satellite receiver and a monitor there, and you'll be welcome to
come and see which of the hundreds of interesting programs from around the
world you can watch live from a satellite. Awesome. Okay, that's just
one of many things going on. Well, okay, if you can take a moment from
your phone, Lexicon, tell us about the RFID project that's been
going on. It's called the AMD project. Tell us what that's all about.
Yeah, it's a kind of people tracking system with the RFID side, and the AMD
side is we wanted to get people who have similar interests to be able to connect
at the conference. Just ignore it. Yeah. It'll go away. Take it away from them.
We can make it go away. If I touch the button, it stops beeping. If I touch that
button, it'll stop beeping forever. So go on. Yeah, so I wanted to come up with a
way of allowing people to connect to each other who had similar interests to
the conference, and I told some of my friends and kind of snowballed into
having a massive kind of draconian system where we've got where people can
send each other email addresses and telephone numbers if they have the same
interests, and they can play games with the big RFID system. Now, this is
something that we're giving to people who are pre-registered and also
speakers, and I know not everybody's not going to want to be tracked. We're
looking at it as a game, but some people might not want to do that, so you have
the option of getting what we call an unpopulated badge. That's a badge
that looks the same but doesn't have the electronics on it, and those of you who
weren't lucky enough to pre-register and are going to come to the door, you'll
have a chance to to get one of these badges. It might not be for a day or so
when we have a collection of the ones that people don't want or that people
who return them, and then you'll be able to trade them in. So I think just about
everybody who wants them will have the opportunity to play with them. It should be
a lot of fun. It's never really been attempted on this level before, has it?
Well, a lot of people use RFID, but using it at a conference with the active
tags and watching where people go all the time is kind of unusual. I know
Motorola's done some tests at conferences where they're matching face
patterns and the RFID badge that's actually the plane ticket, and when
people go to the airport, it's going to not only track their RFID ticket,
it's also going to track their face with cameras in the airport, so
when you get to the gate, it matches you with your ticket being in the same place
at the same time. Okay, so many people have pitched in on this project. There's
been a very dedicated group of people in the New York area that has been working
on this for months, and some really skilled people there. And also our
friends in Germany helped us out quite a bit. Yeah, Milos with the openbeacon.org.
They developed the system that we're using, the hardware we're using, and it's
a pretty neat little trick they did using some fairly cheap little
components put together to do something fairly complex. Now, Milos just arrived
in the States a couple of days ago, and I believe he had a whole lot of RFID
readers with him. We were concerned about that. Yeah, we thought he was going
to ship them ahead of time, but he brought them with him. It wasn't that so much. I was
concerned with customs, what they would think of all these RFID readers
attached to one person. But he made it, and he's here, and he's going to be
at the conference, and it'll be a fun experiment. Just the
admission badges alone are going to be a fun experiment. What other fun
experiments do we have? Well, we've got all the German soda coming,
don't we? Yeah, the Club Monte Conte. Not in English, Mike. Yes. We all know you're
taking a German course. Yeah, the Club Monte is coming. It's in a warehouse
somewhere mysterious, and it's supposed to come to the hotel tomorrow. Well, it's
interesting. We've been sort of tracking the progress. It went across the ocean on
a boat, and then it arrived. And last week at this time, we found out that it was
being held by customs somewhere in Staten Island. Staten Island, the New York, I can
tell you exactly where, the New York Container Terminal. New York Container Terminal, how about it?
Never been there. And, you know, we were looking on some kind of website, and they
were saying that this shipment is being held by customs. And we were like, oh no,
does this mean that they want to really investigate this and find
out what it is, and it's going to miss the conference and all that? And
then, as I was standing outside talking to some people for a few hours last
week, and while I was talking to them, I actually called our friend Big Frank.
In Staten Island, to see if he, he's one of our security guys, to see if he might
be able to exert some pull with customs. And no more than an hour later, the
shipment was cleared by customs. Now, Frank didn't do anything. He didn't make
any phone calls. He didn't talk to anybody about it. But somehow, somehow, I
like to think that just his willingness to get that cleared was enough.
That's the kind of magic that happens. So, yeah, so it got cleared by customs, but
so where is it now? In a warehouse. Somewhere in a warehouse. And it's supposed to
arrive at the hotel tomorrow. Yes. And we're not exactly sure how this is going
to work, because, well, okay, you know, quickly describe what pallets are and
how all that works. A pallet is this wooden thing that you can put a forklift
into, and you can put stuff on top of it. Uh-huh. Is that clear? I guess people know
what a forklift is. And you need a loading dock in order to do this. And
apparently, do we have a loading dock, or don't we? The Hotel Pennsylvania does not
have a loading dock, but we have an excellent top-notch elevator operator.
First of all, how is it that a hotel built in the 19, 1918 or whatever, how is
it they never got around to putting in a loading dock? There's a lot of things
they never got around to doing. All right. So, so we're going to somehow, so we
don't have the equipment to unload these. We have five pallets of the stuff. Well,
the, the truck is bringing a pallet jack, which is an alternate way of moving
pallets. Okay. A little bit more manual. Okay. And our, our friend. Our friend, the
elevator operator. Hang on, Kevin, you're on vibrate. I told everybody to go on ring.
I'm sorry. I was being a little bit polite. No, don't be polite. It will not work.
Should I tell him, or should I pick up, tell him to call again and put it back on?
Please. All right. Thank you. Hey, Mitch, can you call me back in just a second?
Yeah. And yeah. Like, like literally. In 30 seconds. He's talking, tell him you
can't talk to him. You can't talk. You have to call me back. Yeah. 30 seconds.
In 30 seconds. Don't you hate when people just don't obey your, your rules?
Okay. So it's being delivered sometime tomorrow, but I heard there was a
possibility that we might have to actually physically carry it case by case instead of
using a pallet mover or something like that. So I'm told we have a top notch elevator operator.
Okay. Well that might, that's good for operating the elevator, but how is it for carrying German
soda across a room? You know, it's, it's, it's a top notch. That's all I can say.
We need people there is what I'm getting at. Oh man. All right. Well, you're,
you're battling me on this. I'm trying to get people to show up and help.
So there's all kinds of things to help with, not just soda. What else?
There's a, there's all kinds of setup to be done. There's pipes and drape and whatever that is.
We have a lot of it. We have tables. I know what those are. We have a lot of those. We have chairs,
we have all kinds of things and they all need to be set up. Chris, our AV guru has wandered in
and right. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were Chris. No, that's Lynn. That's Lynn. This is the
soda expert. I just, I just glanced at you through the side of my head. So many people here. Well,
Lynn, why don't you come up and tell us about AV stuff? Well, you're the closest thing we have to
Chris right now. Sorry. Sorry. I don't know anything about the AV stuff. Well, what do you
know? I can tell you about the radio station. All right. Do that. So, so we're going to have
a special event ham radio station at the conference and the call sign for that is W2H.
Is that legal? That is a legal FCC issued special event one by one call sign. One by one call sign.
What does that mean? It means one letter by a number by another letter, which you cannot
have permanently issued that only is for special events. But what if the conference doesn't end?
The call sign ends on Sunday night. Oh, really? Okay. That's no fun. And I've got the packet
radio equipments. We can go on packet as well. Wow. That's two radio stations up.
Yeah, there's another radio station too. That's your ring. Well, that's what it is on loud. All
right. Fine. Oh, hey, Mitch. All right. Hey, Mitch. What's up? Okay. So, Alex, why don't you tell us
about the other radio station that's happening? It's called Radio Statler. It's a streaming
internet audio station. Statler being the old name for the hotel. Yes. And we're going to have
people manning it around the clock. It's like a three day long show with all hackers all the time
and just people playing music and talking and we're going to try and get a lot of the speakers
in to be interviewed. For those of you who can't make it to the conference, apart from being a
pathetic specimen of humanity yourselves, well, you can listen to the conference. You can listen
to what's going on. Not actually the, I don't think every talk is going to be streamed,
but people being interviewed. The major ones will be. Right. But you just go to radio.hope.net
to listen to the stream and that'll start up probably Friday morning. And it'll all be archived
too. So you'll be able to do this for years ahead as well. And of course, we'll have all the talks
being recorded and made available later on as well. And we still need producers,
people to do shows. Not Kevin, then Bernie. Speaking of getting people's names wrong,
we seem to have missed to introduce someone. Missed to introduce somebody? That was
in intelligible English. I have no idea. In intelligible English. Well, you're on a roll
here, aren't you? I'm trying. This is it. You're not supposed to pick it up so fast.
Introduce the person we forgot to introduce. Why hasn't he introduced himself? That way I
don't screw it up this time. This is very complicated. I'm trying to make it as complicated
as possible. You're succeeding. Yes. You're good at that. Well, congratulations. Me.
Hello. My name is Sleestack. Greetings. And where are you from? I came out from Oregon. I
flew out here all night with a payphone on the aircraft. Okay. Yeah. Now you mentioned before
that you had a couple of payphones. Yeah. Now you brought the payphones onto an airplane with you?
I brought one of them. Yeah. So I wasn't really sure if it was going to get shipped and show up
and all that. So I wanted to make sure I had something here. So. And how do you, I guess you
have to check a payphone, right? You can't carry that. Well, I was going to, I was actually going
to put it in the overhead bin if they didn't allow me to check it was technically overweight.
Yeah. Although I guess the scale didn't work, so they didn't charge me anything extra. It was
pretty nice. Yeah. Cool. TSA actually opened it up and couldn't figure out how to put it back
together. You know, so that's cool. Wow. They never saw anything like that before.
I have stories to tell. And Rob T Firefly, go ahead. You know, someone somewhere on that same
plane had a bottle of hand lotion taken away or some hair gel and, but you were fine with your
payphone. That's a, it's a total vault. It's pretty awesome. Yeah. You can, you can stick all
kinds of things inside there. You could. Yeah. Wow. Well, my bag has so many cables and wires
and things in it with all the ham radio gear that I included a copy of my ham radio license in the
bag for TSA to find. And what did they probably things were a little messed up in the back when
they opened it. So they were in there. Did you have a bad camp? I haven't looked for that, but
it's probably in there. I can pop my NSA hat and make sure it's pointing. Oh, Bernie, you had
something, Bernie. Oh yeah. So I, you were, we were talking about the Radius Dattler streaming
audio live from the, from the conference all weekend. One of the unique things about this,
unlike all the other conferences where you've recorded all the panel discussions and all the
talks, this will, this project, the Radius Dattler will capture the live feeling of everything going
on, on the mezzanine level, where there'll be dozens of projects, live things people are working
on. And there'll be roving reporters from Radius Dattler walking around with wireless mics,
actually interviewing people and asking what they're doing, maybe going out in the street,
doing man in the street interviews. And this is all going to be streamed live over the internet
at radio.hope.net. So that's a, that's it. And it will also be archived. So you could actually
listen to what it was like at the conference. If you were so unfortunate as to not make it,
in person. Yeah, that's one of many ways that this conference will, will be remembered by
many people. And for those of you without internet, you can listen to the live stream
via Telefreak. Now, how does that work? You can call up one of our SIP numbers,
and we'll be playing the live feed over our conference. And how do people get those numbers?
How do those people get the numbers? Yeah, but you see, if you don't have the net, that's the
whole point. You don't have the nets. How do you call? We don't know the numbers yet, do we?
We don't know the numbers. I can't answer that right now. Okay.
Well, what web address do they look on when you've got it?
Yeah. Telefreak.org. Telefreak.org. Spell that. T-E-L-E-P-H-R-E-A-K. Okay. .org. Great. So that's
yet another, yet another interesting thing that'll be going on at the conference.
What else has been happening? We, Random Man, why don't you say something? You've,
you're coming down here from, from Canada. Yep. Coming all the way from Alberta.
Wow. And they're in Canada, canceled one of my flights.
Did they? Oh, dear. So where'd you wind up stranded?
Toronto. I had beer, so I was good. Cool. And you've been at a bunch of these conferences?
First one was H2K. Wow.
They've been coming ever since, and. They just keep getting bigger, don't they?
They do. It's out of control. I mean, the amount of people involved in coordinating this one,
I think, is more than we've ever had. And we just seem to be doing more things. And I've gotten much,
much more of a reaction for this one, I think, than, than any of the others as well. I mean,
you've been around for a bunch of them. Oh, yeah. You notice that, right?
Larger, more expensive, better. Yeah. A lot more of a buzz going on.
And the people enjoy it too. That's the big thing. Yeah, they sure do.
Yes, we do. Do we have Greg on the line?
We have. It doesn't sound like Greg to me, unless that was Bernie.
Who's there? Yeah.
No, that's still me. Okay. Bernie is still there. So that was Greg
making those funny noises. All right. All right. Well, Greg will be coming on the phone,
coming online in a few minutes. Not quite sure what happened to him. He was in Nassau County,
so the phone lines can be a little crazy there. But Greg, in fact, was today, he was a truck driver
for us. We rented, in addition to the 2600 van, which I had the privilege of driving into the city
yet again, we rented a huge, huge vehicle, bigger. I had to drive this thing. I had to pick this up
at the rental place and drive this massive truck, which it's the kind of truck that would smash
into a bridge on the Northern State Parkway. And the kind that you have to be very careful when
you're making turns, otherwise you're going to knock into something. And when you back up,
it beeps and that kind of thing. We got that because we just have so much material,
so many items that we're bringing in, T-shirts and issues and things like that. At one point,
we thought we might be bringing all the sodas, all the German club mates into the city with that.
But as it turns out, it's coming directly to the hotel, so we don't have to worry about that. But
we still have this massive truck that it's like something I've never seen before. I was scared
driving it. You've never seen a truck? Well, not from the inside. All these different controls and
things. For one thing, you open up the back and there's this whole way of making the ramp go down
and you can do it wrong and people are giving all kinds of advice and things like that. And it
whistles at you when you get up the ramp. That's something that I noticed. Is Greg with us now?
Greg, are you there? Yeah. Hi, I'm here. How are you doing? And the truck is safe?
It is safe and sound and locked and in a mysterious location, which will not be revealed.
Yes, it is a mysterious location. That's for sure. Greg, actually, are we speaking to you
through Alaska? Because we're calling your Alaskan cell phone number. So are we actually
going to Alaska and coming back here? Because you sound very far away. Well, I just said we
weren't going to give away the secret location of the truck and I don't know if I can comment on that.
Yeah. That would be a good secret. How fast can you drive anyway? Okay, so one thing that I
noticed, you and Dot Red were out on the island today just driving all over the place with this
truck and loading it with things. But I noticed this when I was driving it over to meet you that
there seemed to be every time I would stop someplace, it sounded like some guy was whistling
at me like, you know, telling me to like, not do something because I was about to like hit somebody.
Did you hear that whistling noise? Yeah, the same guy was in the truck with us and we finally
determined that it happened when you took your foot off the brake, which, you know, driving into
New York on a, you know, weekday afternoon, you tend to use the brake a whole lot. There's a lot
of whistling going on. And they weren't catcalls either. There was some maybe some kind of safety
thing that the big trucks do. The brakes make that noise? Yeah, maybe it was a leak of some sort.
I see. Well, it kind of freaked me out. But yeah, so okay, so you guys had a fun afternoon
loading up a truck. And the program looks excellent. The shirts look really, really good.
And you have the hammocks and the hammocks are a big mystery. So I think anyone who likes a puzzle
should get ready to... Now, did you bring, we have in the warehouse, we had in the warehouse, one complete
hammock in the box with instructions. Did you bring it? Actually, you're wrong. We did not have one
in the box. We had two. We had two. How many do we have now? How many did I bring?
Yes. How many did you bring with you? Well, if you're asking if I brought one or both, is that your
question? Or you could have brought zero. Exactly. There's three possibilities here. Yes. Or I could
have destroyed them and brought them in pieces. But no. Did you bring the instructions? I brought
the whole damn warehouse. So it's there. Don't worry. So then the only puzzle is how to
decipher the directions. And I have other good news too. Our friend Rob from Holland has
booked his flight today. He wasn't sure he'd be able to make it. And a lot of people are
putting their lives on hold to come to this thing as well they should. Now, when is his
flight? You know, I don't know. I can't keep track of everything. Whose phone is that?
Okay, Dot Red's phone. I'm letting it go. Yeah, well, I'm listening to the music. Why would you want to pick
up your favorite song? I just find it amazing that my phone has...neither one of my phones has
rung yet. They've been...don't call me now. No, it's just amazing because they've been ringing non-stop.
Which phone are you going to call? I'll call the other one. I guess because all of you have been calling
me. That must be it. Okay, you're going to call both my phones at the same time. This is really
really mature, guys. Yeah, well, you know. What was I just saying? Yeah, yes. Wait,
Bernie, I was saying something and I forgot. Does anyone remember what I was talking about?
Well, while you're thinking of that, I want to do a hand. Thank you. Are you happy now? A little bit.
All right. I'm not picking it up. I'm going to keep calling then. And this is Mike's polka beat.
I have that just for your ring, Mike. So other people should call you to hear different rings.
This is embarrassing. I was in the middle of something and not a single person in the room
can remember what it was I was talking about. No, we're totally distracted. And I guess none of the
listeners can remember either. So go ahead, Bernie. Yes, go ahead, Brian, since you don't remember
what I was talking about either. No, I can't. My ESP is not working today. But I do want to mention
we will have a very special guest at the last Hoop conference. Someone who has not been heard
on the station for nearly a year. And that is... I'll wait till the music stops.
Okay, I think it stopped. Jeopardy Jim.
Okay, tell us more. Yeah, Jeopardy Jim. So he's feeling better. He is feeling better. He's been
talking for many weeks about how anxious he is to come to the Hoop conference. He has barely
been able to get outside for many months. As many of our listeners know, he had a severe stroke
last year. And he's been recovering mentally. He's all there. He's just as intellectual he's
ever been. His communication centers of his brain are not working quite as well as they will
after he recovers fully. So he has a little trouble speaking. But he hears fine. And he
can't write well. But we're going to give him a laptop computer so he can keep in touch with the
world. Here's the point. He's going to be at the last Hoop conference. And all of our listeners
who are attending can get a chance to meet him in person and assist him in practicing his
communication skills. So this is something he's been looking forward to. It's really going to be
his first real public appearance since he was struck down by a stroke. I know we've been in
touch with one of the people that have been helping him over there. And as you're saying,
he really needs more of this kind of interaction with people doesn't get nearly enough where he is
right now. But this person seemed to seem to think that this could be the the stimuli to get him out
of what he's trapped in right now to really help him, right? Right. His psychologist told me the
other day that she thinks this could really be the springboard that Jim needs to get his brain
working in a communicative mode with lots of people. So I encourage all of our attendees
to stop by. We're going to have a chair set up for him at the 2600 vending area on the 18th floor,
where there's t shirts and hats and stuff like that. And back issues the magazine. So he'll be
hanging out there going to listen to talks, that sort of thing. He'll be probably the tallest guy
at the conference. So you can't miss him. Well, we have a lot of Dutch people coming. So I don't
know if that's true. But that's true. That's that's right. They're very tall as well. Anyway,
if anybody's looking for Jim, just just ask around and, and someone will point him out. And
I'm sure he'll be glad to, very glad to meet all of our listeners.
Let me ask you, is there is there anything that people can do to help? Because I know
we were looking for people to, to help out with with making this possible in the first place?
Well, we've gotten several volunteers to, to hang out with him on different,
different times and shifts. So he'll be accompanied. Fortunately, someone was generous
enough to, to get him a room. We've gotten volunteers to help with transportation to
pick him up Friday morning, the nursing home, and people volunteering to take him out to eat
and whatever. He's a he's, this is really going to be truly Jim's excellent adventure. He's going
to have a mind blowing experience. This is maybe a little overwhelming for him because he's had so
little public dialogue since his, since he was struck down by the stroke. But, but I think this
is going to be very therapeutic for him. I think he's going to have a great time. He's been so
looking forward to this. As far as help they can give him, you can ask him that question yourself
when you come to the HOPE Conference. Okay. And do you know if anybody is needed to stay with him
in whatever room he winds up in? Is that taken care of? We've already, we've arranged that for
someone to stay in his room with him. Okay. We've got a dedicated volunteer in David and
things are pretty set up. But if anybody wants to offer help, they can, they can email me,
BernieS at 2600.com. And if you could, you could email me your, your cell phone, their cell phone
number. I'll get in touch with him and see and find out what, what assistance they could offer
during the weekend, during the conference for Jim. Okay. Well, this is, it's great that, that
that'll be happening. And I know it's going to mean a lot to him and I hope people say hi. And
the progress continues. I just want to say our listeners,
most of our listeners are, are really intense thinking people interested in all areas of
technology and culture. And try to imagine yourself not able to communicate while you have
this mind you know, all stuff going on in your mind and you really are having trouble communicating
how frustrating that would be. So that's what Jim is going through right now. And as you communicate
with him during the conference, you'll be able to help him get out of that, that rut he's in.
Okay. Well, again, thanks Bernie for all your efforts on that. And again, email Bernie,
BernieS at 2600.com for if you have anything that you can offer to help out with that.
Now, we're also of course going to need all kinds of help tomorrow. Tomorrow's Thursday. It's load
in. It's where we start setting everything up. So what should people do? Just show up?
Well, it's certainly too late to email me. Yeah. I'm at Cheshire Catalyst.
That ship has sailed.
Yep, that ship has sailed. And I'm no longer at volunteers at hope.net.
You're the volunteer coordinator.
I'm the volunteer coordinator at Cheshire Catalyst here. And I will be sitting at the
entrance to the Penn Pavilion, which is the area next door to the main entrance of the Hotel
Pennsylvania.
Just to the left.
Just to the left. I'll be checking in those people who have emailed me. If you'd still like
to come down and volunteer, please feel free to come by and we'll find a way to tag you somehow.
Now, this volunteering you're speaking of, what kinds of things might people do to help?
Well, they're probably going to be stringing a lot of wire for the networking area.
There's going to be a lot of stuff to carry in. How many pallets of Clubmate are there?
Five?
Yeah.
And how many cases per pallet?
I'm not giving away all our trade secrets right here on the radio.
It's probably a trade secret to tell us what a pallet contains.
It's not a trade secret. No, we need help to lift that stuff into the hotel.
We have thousands and thousands of bottles of stuff.
I can say it's a total of 4,000 kilograms.
There you go.
Yeah.
We can't lift that by ourselves.
So, if you can come and help, we'd certainly appreciate it. Just come by the hotel.
We'll get you tagged in as a volunteer.
Now, this does not mean that you're going to get into the conference for free.
You still need to register for the conference.
You will get a nifty t-shirt and the camaraderie of working with other interesting volunteers.
There's going to be a lot of downtime.
You'll be able to sit there and chat with actually the most interesting people at the conference,
your fellow volunteers.
Because those folks who come out and help are really neat people, I've found.
Everyone else is a slacker.
Where's A-Team?
You're a volunteer.
Come over and say what being a volunteer meant to you and what kinds of things you've done at HOPE.
Volunteering has actually always been the best part of the conference.
That's when you get to meet all the most interesting people,
you know, that you're going to be spending the weekend with.
That's where I met not Kevin.
That's where I met some fine Dutch people who spoke very good English.
And yeah, just like you said, camaraderie and just helping out.
It's the spirit of the conference.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And I think last time you were handling the segues.
Yeah, segues.
Oh, you know, I was supposed to call the guy today.
We're trying to get the segues still.
Yeah, I heard there's a little...
Well, it's just kind of difficult working out the logistics.
But I think I'm pretty sure we're going to get these one way or the other.
Okay.
Yeah, we have to build one ourselves.
We're going to get them.
Besides volunteer coordinator, I'm also a speaker.
And are we going to have an area for speakers to have, you know,
autograph sessions and what have you?
Sure, we have all kinds of space.
We'll have book signings.
The new 2600 book is out.
Oh, good.
And we have Robert Steele, I know, is bringing a bunch of books.
I've brought some ebooks that I throw together for these things.
Mark Tobias is bringing books.
Everyone's bringing books.
So yeah, writing apparently is a new thing.
So yeah, we'll have that.
And we'll have a huge vending area.
And Mike, you know something about the vending area, right?
Yeah, we're going to have a whole bunch of vendors.
There's a lot of stuff, a lot of old vendor friends and new vendor friends.
And maybe even some vendor enemies, I don't know.
Yes, we'll see how that goes.
So yeah, by all means, show up tomorrow.
Pre-registration actually opens, what time do we say it's going to open?
I don't know.
We came with, I think it was 4 p.m.
Yeah, 4 o'clock.
4 to 8, you can come to the hotel tomorrow, which is at 401?
401 7th Avenue.
7th Avenue, right between 33rd and 32nd.
Right.
Also, if you're looking for a map, try map.findu.com slash W2H, our special event call sign.
Wow.
I was able to send a packet into the ether on 144.39 megahertz the other night.
It got picked up by the packet radio network, sent to the server in South Florida,
and will now show up as a map at that web address.
Map.findu.com slash W2H.
We should say on the registration note, I've just been informed by silent text message that-
You don't phone anymore, are you?
No, no.
You went silent mode.
Silent mode.
It's worse than vibrating mode.
See right there, silent mode.
But I've been informed by silent text message that our registration coordinator,
Juns, now has use of both hands, so he'll be able to register people all the more efficiently.
Okay.
And next time he'll keep his mouth shut when he says something about somebody in a bar.
Yeah, well, hopefully he'll learn.
Yeah, we'll see.
We'll see.
Okay, great.
So, well, it's all the makings of some really fun things.
We haven't even gotten into all the speakers that we have.
We have, I think, close to 200 speakers at this point and over 100 talks
that'll be taking place starting early Friday morning and ending Sunday night.
Friday at 10.
That's early.
10 in the morning.
Yeah, well, you know, you got to start sometime.
And there are morning people.
At Cheshire, you're a morning person.
Oh, yeah.
You're always up in the morning.
Friday, 10 a.m. is my talk.
And you're kicking off the conference, in fact, in one of the rooms.
We have three tracks.
Actually, we have four tracks.
We have the unscheduled track, which you can sign up for.
And it's a telephone topic, too.
All sorts of things.
So there's that.
Oh, no, no, no.
I'm sorry.
On Friday, I'm an email descendant of the telegram.
Oh, that's your talk on Friday.
On Friday, yes.
I thought it was my other talk.
So that'll be the speaker area.
That's on the 18th floor.
And all the other activities are taking place on the second floor.
Yes, and my talk will, of course, be in the Ingressia room.
Oh, yeah, we've named rooms this year.
Yes.
We've named rooms after, well, quickly tell who these people are.
We have the Hopper room, named for Grace Hopper,
a little old lady in the Navy Department that wrote COBOL.
She was a very big influence in early computing
and was well known to hand out at her lectures lengths of wire 11.9 inches long,
which was the distance traveled by light in one nanosecond.
And she would hand out these nanoseconds as part of her lecture.
Also, another thing she was well known for
was having a clock in her office that ran backwards.
The reason?
To prove to people that there was more than one way to get the job done.
That's her way of proving it to people.
Yeah, well, nice and subtle and got the point across.
I just would have done the job differently.
But yep, that's a hacker type of mentality.
Did she turn the numbers around or how did that work?
The numbers were on the clock in anti-clockwise order.
So the clock ran counterclockwise.
It's like she was holding up a mirror or something.
So like the three was where the nine is?
Exactly.
Oh, okay.
Let's move on to Turing.
What, no one has anything to say?
I didn't want to interrupt.
No, if somebody has more information on Turing, I know he's British.
Well, the Turing test is named for him.
Mike has a little more than that, right?
Yeah, go ahead.
Well, we discussed this the other week,
but Turing wrote one of the first or the first computer science paper.
Does Turing have a first name?
Alan, Alan Turing.
Yeah, he's Alan M. Turing.
All right, let's not go crazy.
Go that far.
He wrote some of the very early work in computer science,
which is not necessarily the same as the early work in physical computers themselves.
We got an email wanting me to be very clear about that point.
Okay, fair enough.
And then he went and worked for the British government
cracking the Nazi codes during World War II.
And then he went on to be thinking about artificial intelligence,
the famous Turing test, which is how you can maybe determine
if we have achieved artificial intelligence or not.
He did some work in biology.
Then he was arrested because he was homosexual,
and that was a crime at the time.
What time was that?
This would be the 1940s, 1950s.
And he was sentenced to take estrogen as a sort of punishment.
I don't know.
And he ended up committing suicide shortly thereafter.
Well, naming a room after him doesn't make up for any of that, obviously.
But it's the least we could do.
So we have the Hopper Room, we have the Turing Room,
and we also have the Ingressia Room, also the late Joe Ingressia,
also known as Joy Bubbles, phone freak extraordinaire,
blind phone freak, lived in Minneapolis.
Did you ever talk to him, Cheshire?
I did, yes.
He actually called me one night.
He was just playing around.
And of course, I have a very unusual phone number.
I really shouldn't.
You're not going to give out your phone number over the air, are you?
It's unusual enough that he was able to determine the phone number
and called it just to see who was there.
It was me.
And once I found out that Joy Bubbles,
which was the name he wanted to use at the time,
was actually Joe Ingressia,
we just sat there and chatted as a mutual admiration society.
Okay.
And then the final room, the unscheduled track is...
Now, what is this, Mike?
Zeus?
Zuse.
Z-U-S-E.
Yeah.
What's that all about?
It's about Conrad Zuse.
Conrad Zuse.
Okay.
And I figure if I say it with enough excitement, that'll almost be enough.
Okay.
And what did he do exactly?
He invented some of the very early first real computers.
Nice ring, Cheshire.
First programmable computers.
Okay.
So we have all these...
And then we have elevator lobby.
I guess that wasn't really named after anybody.
But who's the wise guy who named the bathrooms the Valenti Suites?
That's not very nice.
Do you want to talk about Valenti and his important contributions to hacker culture?
I think it's not a way to honor his memory to name bathrooms after him.
That was not my idea, I'll tell you that right now.
It had nothing to do with me.
But yeah, those are the rooms as they're named right now.
And of course, that's just part of the whole conference.
We're going to be spending the next couple of days just getting it all set up.
And hopefully, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday will be a ton of fun.
Lynn, looks like you have something to say.
Yeah, I was going to ask, I saw some email traffic back and forth about
what was the final name given for the room where the amateur radio exams are going to be given?
Well, you know, we were going to name that...
What were we going to name that?
Maxson?
And then we're going to name it...
People know that Maxson was the head of the American Radio Relay League.
And so Marconi was thrown out.
People would recognize it as radio.
And then we forgot about it and didn't make the sign.
So it's probably just going to be called Zurich, like the room is actually called.
That's what the room is actually called.
That's dull.
All these rooms have names already.
We just are sort of renaming them.
Yeah, but the names are Pentop and Skytop, and I can't keep them straight.
That's true.
And Madison as well.
Madison, okay.
What's dull about Zurich?
Zurich's a wonderful place.
Well, you know, as far as cities go, it's not exactly...
I mean, it's a picturesque city.
It's certainly got a lot of money and scenery.
It's where Einstein went to college.
Yeah, but you know, it's not exactly a party town, is it?
No.
Well, you know, down on the riverfront, they got the beer gardens.
It's nice.
Anyway, so you can look forward to seeing all sorts of activity around the Hotel
Pennsylvania in the next couple of days.
And a lot of media coverage, too.
We have tons of media that have been expressing interest all over the world coming by for
this thing.
Somebody from Psychology Today wants to cover it.
I mean, all sorts of realms.
Are they saying we're all crazy?
I don't know.
We'll have to read the article, I guess, to see what that's all about.
But that's going to be a lot of fun.
Wall Street Journal, I understand, is coming?
Yeah, yeah.
Wall Street Journal.
Just about every major and minor...
I understand 2600 Magazine will also be there.
We're going to have a representative or two there, for sure.
Actually, I've even heard from Scientific American.
Yeah, there you go.
Psychology Today emailed me today.
Is there a scientific Canadian?
Renderman, tell us, is there?
I don't think so.
But I think it's just that, you know, we're all too cold and just worry how to look around
the fires and...
Well, yeah, but do you read Scientific American up there?
Isn't that a bit of a put down?
You know, because we're not very scientific down here.
We're more like Bible thumpers.
You guys spend all the money to make all the scientific research first.
Yeah.
You know, something funny happened today.
I was driving the 2600 van, and I didn't realize this.
Remember, the 2600 van is decked out in the colors of the phone company back in 1994,
which is when we actually painted it up.
And back then, the phone company was New York Telephone, a 9X company.
It went New York Telephone, 9X, then Bell Atlantic, and now Verizon.
So the colors...
Back then, it was still the old Bell System colors with the blue and gold stripes.
Blue, gold, and white were the stripes.
Now today, Verizon is...
What is it?
It's red, white, and black.
Yeah.
Well, I had a Verizon truck pass me on this little road, and he waved at me.
So now I'm thinking, why is he waving at a truck that has totally different colors?
In his mind, you see those colors, and you think telco.
And I'm sure he like slammed on his brakes like a few seconds after that.
Emmanuel, how many fingers was he waving with?
It was a friendly wave.
Wasn't there another organization with a red, white, and black flag?
Oh, I'm sure there have been many.
But the amazing thing is now we are the traditionalists.
Isn't that something?
It's so weird, because almost as soon as we painted the van to look just like our phone
company truck of the day, that's when the phone company decided to change their look.
Right.
Because they realized there was a losing battle.
So that was something.
Well, it was marketing.
They wanted to lose the old image.
You know, a pet peeve.
I just like to get this out, because this always happens during conferences.
We wind up, we have to get all this stuff.
We have to buy things and rent things.
And it involves a lot of charging onto credit cards and things like that.
Every single time, every single time we have a conference, something happens to one of
our credit cards.
And this time it happened to two of our credit cards, where it just got turned off.
This is, I'll point fingers.
I'll name names.
Chase.
Chase is a bunch of idiots, you know.
They turned off one of our credit cards, didn't tell us.
And then we got one of those automated phone calls saying that some computer had flagged
us.
And we had to call and talk to another computer that then listed out suspicious charges.
It listed one suspicious charge, and that was a monthly recurring charge that we've
had for years.
So what's wrong with these morons?
First of all, they must have seen us charging something else, but they don't ask us about
that.
They ask us about something that's normal.
And as soon as we said, yes, that's normal, they said, oh, OK, your card is now unfrozen.
What's the logic behind that?
Does it make any sense?
Yes, it does.
OK, tell me, Bernie.
I'm dying to know.
They would like you to think that they're doing this for your protection.
They're not.
They're doing it for their protection, because you're not liable if someone else uses your
credit card.
Under Regulation E, you have really a pretty reasonable amount of time to dispute any charges
that show up on your bill.
And under federal law, the credit card company has to eat that.
Yeah, but Bernie, they're asking about charges that show up every month.
Why are they asking about those charges?
They are totally out of control at Chase, apparently.
I've had some bad dealings with them in the past as well.
But that's why they don't really care about protecting their customers as much as they're
interested in protecting themselves.
And then later on, I was driving the van.
I was on the expressway, and I was trying to make it to the hotel before the show so
we could unload some stuff.
And I realized, you know, I'm going to go through the Midtown Tunnel with my E-ZPass.
And that's when I remembered my E-ZPass has been sending me nasty letters lately because
I didn't tell them the new expiration date of that same credit card.
Apparently, they can't figure it out on their own.
And every time I tried to access their online system, it was down.
So I just never got around to it.
I realized, hey, I'm going to go through the Midtown Tunnel, and I might get into trouble
or something because I'm in a fight with E-ZPass.
So I called them on the phone.
And I got into this tussle with the woman I eventually got connected to because I didn't
know my PIN number.
I haven't called them in years.
And then she started asking me for various other numbers, and I was getting them wrong.
I got my phone number wrong.
I got my credit card number wrong because I used the wrong one.
And meanwhile, this is the most unsafe way to drive.
I'm on the phone.
I'm going through my pocket, looking at credit cards.
I'm approaching the Midtown Tunnel, hoping I can get the E-ZPass turned on properly before
I hit it.
And it was real mayhem.
Meanwhile, my other phone is ringing constantly, nonstop.
And it's 90 degrees on the expressway.
That, my friends, that is hope preparation.
That's what it's all about.
So but I made it.
I made it just in time that the E-ZPass got reactivated.
And everything's cool.
Made it through the tunnel.
Didn't even get searched by the cops.
Which, by the way, Greg, are you still there?
I guess he's not.
His light is still on.
Greg, did he fall asleep?
OK.
Oh, he sounds so far away.
Greg, you know you will be searched tomorrow when you go through the Midtown Tunnel with
a big truck, right?
Yes, but I will not have any contraband with me.
Uh-huh.
Well, I'm daring.
I'm going to wear my little Leatherman, you know, my little multi-tool.
You know, your phone, it sounds like it's on Mars or something.
You have like a pillow up against it or something?
I'll tell you what.
Let me, I'm on this Bluetooth thing.
And I can disconnect.
And you can try calling me back if you want.
I did want to make a comment before about the volunteering.
So if you call me back, I'll put in my two words.
You want to try that, Mike?
All right.
We're going to try calling you back.
And hopefully, why can't he just disconnect the Bluetooth thing?
I don't know.
I think it's a new phone for him.
Speaking of new phones.
Now, we have every hope.
We have a crisis of sorts.
Now, the E-ZPass thing could have been the crisis.
At one point, we had no insurance.
That was another crisis.
We fixed that.
The E-ZPass should be the biggest crisis we have.
I know, but it won't be.
You know it won't be.
There's always a bigger crisis.
Now, today, I want Mark to tell this story.
Today, Mark left his phone at home.
He has an iPhone.
And...
Wait.
Mark is without his iPhone?
Yeah.
He left it.
Today, of all days, he left it home.
And he had to make all these phone calls to make all sorts of reservations and things like that.
Now, Mark, what did you do?
You had to get a new phone somehow.
But somehow, you got your old phone number onto that phone.
Right.
I left my iPhone.
Hang on.
That mic is not working for some reason.
Lift that up.
All right.
Try that.
I left my iPhone in the...
No.
Let's use that one then.
There we go.
Try it.
I'm sorry.
Try one more time.
Go ahead.
But you got to put your head down next to it.
There you go.
I left my iPhone in the beautiful state of New Jersey.
When I got to Manhattan, I was told that I couldn't get a new phone because I didn't have
driver's license with the account number.
So I went to...
That's fair, right?
I mean, you don't want somebody saying they're you and getting another phone.
Right.
So I went to another AT&T store and was able to get it just fine.
Now, okay.
Hold on a sec.
First of all, obviously, you left your phone in New Jersey.
So the SIM...
iPhones have SIMs, right?
SIMs do have SIMs.
Okay.
So that's in that phone.
So how in the world do you transfer that to another phone and get the same phone number?
Right.
I was instructed by AT&T to go to Kmart and buy GoPhone, which is their prepaid service.
Okay.
And then I took it to that store and they were able to activate it for my existing number.
What did you have to tell them in order to get them to
give you the phone number that you were asking for?
Unfortunately, just my student ID.
You're kidding.
That's it?
So somebody else could have just made up an ID for you.
I, in my last, the last four of my social.
Okay.
How hard is that to get?
That's not very hard to find.
No.
So you're saying you could just go into an AT&T store,
give the last four of someone's social security number, show an ID with your face on it.
And not even legal ID, because school ID is not really legal ID.
Right.
It's not government ID.
And they'll just give you...
Schools are operated by the government.
Well, yeah, but not, you know what...
So that's all it took and you got your old phone number.
Yeah.
I'm curious to see if my iPhone will be all messed up when I...
Yeah, now that's, I was wondering what's going to happen to your iPhone now.
You're going to have two phones with the same number.
I'm sorry, say that?
They will get deactivated.
They'll be deactivated?
So you'll have to get a fourth iPhone.
You've been through how many iPhones now?
I will be an angry iPhone user.
Well, you're like the first person to buy an iPhone.
Well, one of the first.
One of the first.
Yeah.
And...
You might be able to just transfer the SIM card from this GoPhone into that,
but then the iPhone will be a GoPhone for a while.
iPhone will be a GoPhone.
iGoPhone.
No, because it's my phone's no longer on a Go service.
It's on my contract.
Okay.
It just got so...
But I have to say, you know, you sprung into action.
SIM card.
You sprung into action pretty quickly and managed to find a solution
that at least worked for today,
whether or not your entire phone is now messed up for all time.
That's another thing.
But that was a crisis today,
but I don't think that's the crisis yet that's going to hit us.
There's always something.
I think it was.
You think it was?
Okay, then it's going to be smooth sailing from here on in.
Yep.
It's always something that happens, you know.
It's always a tornado.
Like you said, we still got the Midtown Tunnel to drive through.
So who knows?
Yes, yes.
Now, Greg, you had something to say.
Now you sound a little bit better.
Yeah, I was using one of these Jawbone Bluetooth things,
and they're good for some purposes,
but I don't think they sound as good generally.
There were the, you know, the ones that do the bone inductance thing.
So they didn't have as much of a microphone.
It seems your bones are not very inductive.
Yeah, and we mean that in the best of ways, but...
I think they need to shave, actually, for that to work effectively.
Okay, so now you were going to tell us something else, right?
Well, I wanted to point out earlier when Cheshire was talking about volunteer stuff,
just that, and he doesn't even know this,
that we have a couple of trucks showing up earlier than we thought
on tomorrow morning, Thursday morning.
So we probably could use a few volunteers earlier as opposed to later.
What time are we talking about?
I'm sorry, say that again?
10 a.m.
10 a.m.
People are on site by like 9.30, quarter to 10, 10 a.m.
That would be great.
Do you know what...
My message to volunteers did say to come around 10 a.m. if they could.
Do you know what side of the hotel, is it 32nd Street or 33rd Street?
Well, when volunteers show up, they should go into the main pavilion entrance,
which is just to the left of the 7th Ave entrance for Hotel Pennsylvania,
where the big marquee is.
Okay, is that going to be open at that time?
Oh, yeah.
Okay, good.
But then the actual loading dock and all that activity will be on the 32nd Street side,
but it's not going to be like non-stop there.
Basically, we'll know a truck is coming because they'll call us on cell phone
and everyone will go and wait for the truck and we'll get the elevator there.
Okay.
People don't need to hang out the whole morning.
They'll basically go down when there's a truck.
Yes.
And please, folks, if you do come down, come down with the intent on helping out
because just standing around watching, it might be entertaining,
but it does kind of get in the way because we're still setting things up.
Friday, of course, you can come and stand around and point at us and whatever else you want to do.
Any final words before we head out of here and start up?
Come to Hope.
Yes, please.
Not too late.
Not too late.
Registration open tomorrow from 4 to 8 at the hotel.
What's the final ticket price for walking out the door?
Well, we can't give numbers out over the air,
but I will say it's just slightly above what it was for pre-registration.
Not very much at all.
And we take Euros as well.
Something like five above?
Yeah, maybe that.
And we also take Euros and credit cards too.
So you can come with those as well.
And again, from 4 to 8 on Thursday and registration opens.
What time does it open on Friday?
Like 9.
Yeah.
8.30?
8.30.
Wow.
Pretty early.
Okay.
And you can come by and help out and all sorts of other things.
Enjoy the conference.
All right.
Everybody say good night at once.
Good night.
Oh, my God.
There's a lot of people in here.
All right.
We're going to go out with another fun song, as is our tradition.
This is The Fun Boy 3.
See you at Hope.
Have a good night.
So you're terrified
He who doubts is he that best
There's no disturbance on the door
And he who calms is he that drafts
The invitations on the floor
Sitting down and switching off
The wooden box, the door is locked
Switching off the load outside
The party's over for the night
It must be wonderful to live like you do
To have respect on everyone that you know
To have surprises waiting outside your door
When you don't want to answer your telephone
The telephone starts to ring in rings
The five-piece Nobel starts to shine
The liquid clap bursts into song
It's out of tune, the timing's wrong
It must be wonderful to live like you do
To have respect on everyone that you know
To have surprises waiting outside your door
When you don't want to answer your telephone
The telephone
The telephone
It must be wonderful to live like you do
To have respect on everyone that you know
To have surprises waiting outside your door
When you don't want to answer your telephone
Lying down and sucking in
The bubble bath, the door is locked
Switching off the load outside
The party's over for the night
It must be wonderful to live like you do
To have respect on everyone that you know
To have surprises waiting outside your door
When you don't want to answer your telephone
The telephone starts to ring in rings
The five-piece Nobel starts to shine
The liquid clap bursts into song