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I did not do that. It faded on its own this time.
It's 7 o'clock time once again for another exciting edition of Off the Hook.
The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a call.
We couldn't get much worse, but if they could they would.
Von Diddley-Bumper, the best inspector worst.
I hope that's understood. Von Diddley-Bo!
And a very good evening to everybody. The program is Off the Hook.
Emanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening as we normally come your way this time of day.
Joined tonight in the studio by Jim.
Hello again.
And Redbird.
Good evening.
Mike.
Hi.
Over on the other side of the studio is not Kevin.
Hello.
And down there in Philadelphia is Bernie S.
Greetings from Philadelphia.
Now I'd like to start with something that somebody forwarded to us.
A listener forwarded this to us actually.
It's a special phone number, so Bernie please don't panic when you hear the magical dial tone sound.
Okay.
There it is. And we're going to dial this number.
We're going to mask the touch tone so that people can't translate them and dial this on their own.
But we're not going to give them that over the air?
No, we're not because we believe in keeping information to ourselves.
Anyway, listen to this.
This is a message from the United States Bureau of Morality pursuant to Statute 2412-2, Disclosure of Surveillance.
Citizens, by calling this number you and your family are implicitly pleading guilty to the consumption of anti-American media
and have been flagged as potential militants.
The United States Bureau of Morality has activated the tracking system embedded in your personal media
and initiated citizen surveillance.
United States surveillance law gives us the right to search and seize information
relating to subversive activities from your person, vehicle, workplace, or home.
Any attempt to hinder or prevent our investigation will be met with all necessary force.
You are now part of the problem.
Your re-education is about to begin.
God bless America.
Well, yeah, that's a bit chilling, don't you think?
Fortunately, for those of you who are worried about us,
Bernie, I took the liberty of masking our caller ID and putting your number in.
Is that all right?
Oh, thank you. I'm already on that list anyway.
Yeah, I figured you probably were, so it wouldn't be that big a deal.
That actually is something that Nine Inch Nails is responsible for.
Trent Reznor apparently set up this 866 number.
I'll give out the number, 866-445-6580.
You can call that and scare the hell out of your friends.
We're not that far away from the Bureau of Morality, do you think?
Apparently, somehow, listening to that is supposed to sell CDs.
I don't know how because they didn't mention anything.
If you hit a star, it asks you to leave your name and number.
I couldn't figure out how to get it to ask for a password, though.
Maybe somebody else can hack it a little bit more and figure that out.
Well, actually, if it says it's a toll-free number,
they already have your name and number when you call.
That's true. That's true.
Or your name and number, depending on how exactly we routed the call.
I can get proof of my number here.
Although it uses ANI, I guess, so maybe that didn't work.
It was caller ID, right? Right, Kevin?
Exactly. Unless you cause an ANI fail.
Which we didn't have time to do.
Unfortunately not.
One day. One day we'll do this.
Okay, it's no longer Don't Watch TV Week.
Is that what it was called, Mike?
TV Turnoff Week.
TV Turnoff Week.
I think it was last week.
It was all little advertisements, which is kind of ironic, I guess.
Get out of the box, TV Turnoff Week, 22-29 April.
Not in my living room, turn it off and live,
or pull your head out.
And a picture of some...
That's not a pleasant image.
All these have pictures of a person whose head is stuck in a television set.
But, you know, I have to wonder.
Most of the people who have pushed this on me
are people who don't even have TV sets.
So for them, every day is TV Turnoff Day, right?
It's a little bit strange, yeah.
Did you ever think what would happen if there was a radio turnoff day?
Oh, that'd be horrible.
That would be horrible.
So, I mean, why TV?
Why pick on TV?
Why pick on TV?
I think a lot of what's on TV is especially bad.
A lot of, yes.
A lot of Americans are fat,
but it doesn't mean that all of us are the same.
A lot of what's on the radio is bad, too.
That's true, too.
Not this show, of course.
Well, we're the exception.
What if we were a TV show, though,
and we were victimized by TV Turnoff Week?
Well, the thing is,
the TV is different in that TV is very attention-grabbing
and in many ways all-consuming.
With radio, you can go about your business,
putter around the house,
wash the dishes,
do dinner, talk to friends.
Well, maybe not talk to friends.
I don't know.
I've heard people are riveted to our show.
Well, yes, we're an exception.
But television just sucks your brain in.
Well, watching television in North Korea didn't suck my brain in.
That's true.
One question about TV Turnoff Week, though.
If you decide to tape everything and then watch it later,
does it count?
Oh, does it count?
Does time-shifting count in TV Turnoff Week?
I will forward your query, Jim,
to the TV Turnoff Central Committee and get back to you.
I'd like to know,
because you're not really accomplishing anything
if you're watching TV a week later
and watching the same thing,
watching twice as much.
Well, on the other hand,
when I tape things,
as I do Wednesday nights with Lost in Jeopardy.
Yeah, I had four hours of Lost to catch up on when I got back.
Oh, it's actually getting good.
I only started watching.
It's actually getting good.
It got good two seasons ago.
I haven't watched until this season.
But anyway, the point is,
taping is so much better
because you just skip the commercials.
Gee whiz, I never thought of that.
I never thought you could do that.
Well, I'm sure you did.
But it takes,
it lowers the time from an hour show to a 40-minute show.
Works even better with Wheel of Fortune.
Wheel of Fortune is a 10-minute show.
It's like getting a show for free every time you watch two.
With about 10 seconds of brain power.
Okay, continuing along.
I'm moving away from television.
There's something,
Google is in the news again,
as it always is.
By providing free consulting and some software,
Google is helping state governments
make reams of public records
that are now unavailable or hard to find online,
easily accessible to web surfers.
The internet search company
helps to eventually persuade federal agencies
to employ the same tools,
an effort that excites advocates of open government,
but worries some consumer privacy experts.
In other words,
basically looking up who owns what piece of property
in what state,
it'll be very, very simple.
We can all be private investigators.
Jim, you're raising your hand.
I see excitement coming down the track.
But this is all information that's otherwise public.
I know that,
but you have to go to the courthouse,
sometimes even the county courthouse,
which becomes difficult
because most states have about 60 counties or so.
I can see Google taking these vast quantities of records
and missing hundreds and thousands
and hundreds of thousands of social security numbers.
Ooh, what fun.
Our friend Mark Ruttenberg
over at the Electronic Privacy Information Center
down there in D.C.
said many public health and financial records
should not necessarily be widely available
because they often contain citizens,
as you say, social security numbers.
Such information should be redacted from records
regardless of whether they're viewed online
or in person at a government office.
He also said Google has a checkered past
on privacy,
noting that the company tracks Internet search users
who access government data
in order to target ads at them.
Epic recently filed a complaint with the FTC
urging it to investigate Google
regarding such activities
as well as its proposed acquisition
of online advertising company DoubleClick.
So what they're advocating
is not allowing this information
to be viewable by the average individual
with Internet access
but keeping it sort of confined
to the private investigator community
because that's really what's happening, right?
They already have access to all this information.
They do.
And there's plenty of private investigating firms
that compile it
and have all these databases
sort of available to themselves internally.
But I think what we're going to see
is we're going to have a sense of shock
when we realize how much information
is accessible to those people.
If that becomes accessible to everybody
all of a sudden
it has all kinds of information about you
that will be out there
that you had no idea was out there.
And it might be a good thing too
because it might force more privacy awareness.
Isn't it sort of closing the door
after the horse is already gallivanting?
Well, it'll sort of open people's eyes
as to what's out there.
Just a little story on how Google is expanding.
I've done searches for my last name
and originally about a year ago
there were five entries
all relatively obscure and inoffensive
to anybody seeking to steal my identity.
There's more now.
Then it went up to eight
including the location of my father's grave
and date of death.
Now it's even more.
My mother's name, her vital statistics.
And this is from an obituary.
Her mother's maiden name.
Every relative on that side of the family.
You see the camera on your front door?
You see that?
I have.
I've seen that for quite some time.
And I'm just afraid it's going to
start expanding exponentially.
I think it will.
I agree with you on this.
But you also realize
that there's a lot more data than that
accessible to certain people
and people who are willing to pay for it.
But as I said a little bit ago
you have to go and do a physical search
at a county courthouse.
No, you don't have to.
There are online services
where you pay them
to find out this information.
And it's cheap too.
It's like 20 bucks a person.
Or private eyes
as Steve Rambam will tell us
can have access to all sorts of things.
But again,
this is a relatively small number of people
that have this access.
Do I feel good that they have this access?
Not really.
But having access with millions of people
that's going to be interesting.
I guess the question is
do you think that they're somehow
more trustworthy than the rest of us?
And I don't.
Yeah, I don't agree with that either.
Just be prepared
for whatever comes down the pike
when everybody's able
to look up everybody else.
The point is
Google is becoming a universal
and all-encompassing card catalog.
Busybody.
They want to know everything
about everybody.
Well, sorry for that.
If you remember card catalogs
in a library,
you know,
big bank of index cards
on which is every book
listed both by subject,
by author,
and by title.
And you can find it there.
Now,
if you have to go to a library
and dig through the card catalog,
that's one thing.
But if the card catalog
is on your computer,
that's another.
Similarly,
with the private eyes.
If they have either
a separate system
or they know of a site
they have to go to
and enter a password,
that's one thing.
There are only, what,
100,000 private eyes
in the country?
With Google,
there are 3 million outlets
at least,
probably 20, 30, 50 million.
Every computer
is an outlet for Google.
Very true.
Okay,
continuing on
with the talk of computers.
A group of researchers
led by the University of Tokyo
has broken
Internet speed records
twice in two days.
Operators of the
high-speed Internet 2 network
announced Tuesday
that the researchers
on December 30th,
took them a while
to announce this, I guess.
Their speed isn't
all that impressive,
sent data
at 7.67 gigabits per second
using standard
communications protocols.
That's even faster
than my cable modem,
isn't it?
It's pretty fast, yeah.
Sometimes faster
than your cable modem.
Well, there's no need
to get snippy about it,
but next day
using modified protocols,
the team broke the record again
by sending data
over the same
20,000-mile path
at 9.08 gigabits per second.
That likely represents
the current network's
final record
because rules require
a 10% improvement
for recognition,
a percentage that would bring
the next record
right at the Internet 2's
current theoretical limit
of 10 gigabits.
Recognition by who?
I don't know.
This is kind of nutty, actually.
But researchers used
the newer Internet
addressing system
called IPv6
to break the record
in December.
Data started in Tokyo,
went to Chicago,
Amsterdam,
and Seattle
before returning to Tokyo.
The previous high
was 6.96 gigabits per second.
That was set
in November 2005.
Internet 2 is run
by a consortium
of more than 200 U.S. universities.
It's currently
working to merge
with another high-speed,
ultra-high-speed
next-generation network.
Guys know what it's called?
Internet 3?
No.
Good guess, though.
National Lambda Rail.
What?
Have you ever heard of this?
No.
How do you spell it?
Well, national, obviously.
L-A-M-B-D-A-R-A-I-L.
Like the Greek letter?
Like the Greek letter, yeah.
Sounds like a train service
for homosexuals.
Well, I don't know.
That's interesting records
being set every day,
I guess, in the Internet.
But I think what we're moving towards
is just having everything
being every place at once.
You know?
Very quickly, at least.
I mean, it's all about copying.
It's all about moving data
from one place to another.
And if everything is already there,
like there's a box,
in the future you'll have a box,
and that will be
all the data in the world.
And it'll be right there.
And all you have to do
is plug something into it
and read it.
That's not that interesting.
Well, that's not the same idea.
Well, you won't have to copy.
You won't have to transfer data
because the data
will already be there.
That's not this idea at all.
The idea is,
this is transferring data.
The box will be somewhere else
and they will bill you
for transferring it quickly.
I'm just saying,
the idea of transferring data,
one day that will become obsolete
because all the data
will already be there.
What if you're creating new data
and you want other people
to have it?
It's constantly being updated.
It's not...
Well, then the new data
will have to...
I don't know.
I haven't invented all of it yet.
But I'm just saying,
all this speed,
it all involves copying things
from one place to another.
Yeah.
As long as the stuff
is where you need it to be,
then you don't have to worry
All right, then.
All right.
Let's see.
We have this site
that just came out of nowhere.
This is really kind of cool, actually.
You guys probably heard
the news story about
the truck that crashed
into an overpass in Oakland
and caused all kinds of mayhem.
Well, apparently,
there's all kinds of controversy
about what actually happened
and who's covering up what.
And now there's a new site
called 429truth.com.
That's right.
It's got all the facts
about all the things
that really happened
on April 29th.
And yes, I know
it's only a couple days ago,
but still there's a whole lot
of information about this.
Well, I think it's good
that people are sparing no time
in getting to the bottom
of this important story.
Yeah, absolutely.
Now, I'd like to take this moment,
according to the website
from the person who runs it,
to welcome our new readers.
429truth.com
hasn't been up for very long,
but already the response
from skeptics and truth seekers
is amazing.
Most people seem to recognize
that even if some of the details
remain cloudy,
there are many, many problems
with the official story,
which cannot be recently explained.
Now, and they have links
to all these things, too.
Hours earlier,
another car caught fire
in exactly the same spot.
Coincidence?
Trial run?
An accidental early detonation
by incendiary devices
implanted in the retaining wall?
Also, a similar attack
occurred on March 30th
in St. Petersburg, Florida,
almost one month to the day
from the April 29th incident.
And all this is documented
and linked with news stories
and everything.
WebSense has been tied
to the cover-up attempt
to silence our voices
by inexplicably banning our site
from their networks
due to sexual content.
The aptly named Protein Wisdom
has speculated that the collapse
was the result of a missile strike.
Our friends...
You think this is funny?
You think this is funny?
It's kind of funny.
It's not funny at all.
This is a conspiracy here
that's being uncovered
early this time, too.
We don't have to wait years
for some kind of commission.
It's three days.
Three days now
all the facts are coming out.
Wow.
Our friends at 911Blogger...
Just one second, Bernie.
...have pointed out
that this incident
is serving as timely rebuttal ammo
whenever the impossibility
of the WTC collapse
is pointed out for 911 deniers.
And the infamous liberal
San Francisco SFGate
and Nico Melendez,
mouthpiece for the
Transportation Security Agency,
are already talking about
setting up checkpoints
along the highway.
Welcome to the new
police state proles.
Yes, Bernie.
They missed another important link
to this story.
The secret group,
the plotters behind this act,
did another trial run
back here in Philadelphia
about 13 years ago.
Mm-hmm.
They said a large pile of tires,
a huge yard full of tires,
rubber tires,
were lit on fire
and was determined to be arson.
And it was directly under I-95.
And it literally melted I-95,
eerily similar
to what just happened in California.
So you think that was
a trial run as well, maybe?
Well, yeah.
I think this is a sequence
of connected events.
And people just need
to look at the history
and see that this is
clearly not a coincidence.
I wish I had some of the
ominous music to play
in back of me,
but I'm going to read this
and just imagine the ominous music
in back of me.
The highway collapsed
at 4.02 a.m.
while Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
was supposedly asleep
in Sacramento.
Yet in these photos,
he is seen at the site
of the collapse
while it is still pitch blackout.
For reference,
sunrise on April 29th
was 6.16 a.m.,
but civil twilight
started at 5.48 a.m.,
nautical twilight
at 5.14 a.m.,
and astronomical twilight
at 4.38 a.m.
i.e., the sky started
to get lighter at 4.38,
and by 5.48,
it was basically morning.
I wish you'd stop laughing
about this.
This is not funny.
I'm trying to be serious here,
and, you know,
imagine the ominous music.
All right.
It is 78.3 miles
from Sacramento
to the crash site.
Now, here is a hypothetical
timeline of events.
4.02, highway collapses.
4.05, Governor receives
phone call.
4.20, showered and dressed.
Assume 15 minutes
and that he's shaved
in the car.
5.08, arrive at site
after 48-minute drive
at 100 miles per hour.
That's pretty fast.
5.13, the Governor.
That's faster
than the Governor of New Jersey.
Well, you know,
I didn't even know about that.
Schwarzenegger
is more superhuman.
I heard about this.
When I got back
from China and North Korea,
I was reading
about how the Governor
of New Jersey
was being released
from the hospital
and how he was really sorry
he wasn't wearing a seatbelt.
I didn't even know
this happened
until he got out
of the hospital
because when you go away
and are isolated
from the rest of the world,
you sort of miss certain things.
So I'm sure there are other things
I'll find out about
that happened
that, you know,
I don't know about yet.
Anyway, 5.13,
press conference starts.
Assume five minutes
to get it going.
Assume minimum
20-minute press conference.
Note that Schwarzenegger,
Newsom, and Dellums
all talk,
and these are
politicians talking.
5.48, tour of site ends.
Assume 15 minutes.
Yet the photos clearly show
it's still pitch black
during the entire
press conference
and site tour,
i.e. much earlier
than the hypothetical
timeline above.
How could Schwarzenegger
have arrived at the site
any earlier?
The answer is
that he knew
what was planned.
He should have waited
a reasonable amount of time
before arriving at the site,
but he probably couldn't resist
the Hollywood photo op
in front of still glowing wreckage,
not realizing that this
would tip his hand
and reveal his inside knowledge.
This site is just filled
with all kinds of facts
and theories,
and it's good to see people
asking the tough questions
so soon.
I'm glad that we'll be able
to get to the bottom of this.
Well, it's been plaguing me
ever since it happened.
So we know that
it wasn't the gasoline
that caused the collapse,
because according to
Rosie O'Donnell,
gasoline cannot cause
steel to melt, right?
You just insist on injecting
Rosie O'Donnell
into every conversation,
don't you?
I liked her in East of Eden,
or Exit to Eden.
All right, well,
maybe you should exit to Eden.
So 429truth.com
for people
who want to learn more.
That's right.
And a bit of sad news.
I'm sure we all heard
of the death of Jack Valente,
the head,
former head
of the Motion Picture
Association of America.
You know, I got all kinds
of mail and phone calls,
and people even came
to visit me,
thinking I'd be inconsolable.
I'm not quite sure
what kind of reaction
people were expecting.
Some people thought
I'd be happy,
which is certainly not true.
For those who don't know,
Jack Valente
was pretty much
at the heart
of the lawsuit
against us in 2000.
You find that funny, too?
You just got the giggles tonight,
don't you, Redbird?
All right, well, it's...
To say he was at the heart of it
is maybe an exaggeration.
He didn't seem to know
anything about it when asked.
Well, that's true.
He kept saying
he didn't know anything,
but that's what you do
when you're in front of
a panel asking you
what you know.
But the point is,
he was the one
with the soundbite
saying that we were
engaging in piracy
and all kinds of things like that.
You know, it's...
It kind of bothered me
that he obviously
didn't get it,
that he obviously
didn't understand
what was actually
happening in this case,
what the ECSS was all about,
what was being done,
what was not being done.
And, of course,
going back in time,
looking at the comments
he made about...
What was it, Bernie?
VCRs?
Yes, I have a quote from him.
If you don't have it,
it's a good one.
Okay, what is it?
Well, back in 1982,
during the hearings
on the famous
Sony Betamax case,
where the motion picture industry
was so upset
that VCRs would destroy
the motion picture industry,
Jack Felleni,
that went before Congress
in these hearings
at the Subcommittee
on Courts, Civil Liberties,
and the Administration
of Justice,
he said, quote,
I say to you
that the VCR
is to the American
film producer
and the American public
as the Boston Strangler
is to the woman
home alone.
End quote.
In Boston?
Well...
It doesn't mean
anything to somebody
in San Diego.
Well, you know,
you can interpret it
two ways.
You know,
it could be
the Boston Strangler
could, you know,
could actually
get on a train,
a Lambda train,
and go somewhere.
Maybe.
Maybe so.
Enough of the Lambda train.
Anyway, yeah,
so we were naturally
saddened to hear
of his passing.
I got to say,
for an 85-year-old guy,
he was incredibly sharp,
and he never seemed
to lose that sharpness.
It's just too bad
he was on the other side
of this particular case
because I think he would have
agreed with us
on a lot of things.
I really do.
Kirk Douglas said
at his funeral,
if you were Jack's friend,
your troubles became
his troubles,
and nothing would have
pleased me more
than for my troubles
to have become
his troubles as well.
It's just the kind of thing
that, I mean it in a good way
because he seemed like
a friendly kind of a guy
that would care about
your troubles in your life
like people suing you.
When the time comes
for me to be upstairs
waiting for St. Peter
to see me,
this is Kirk talking,
not me,
I expect Jack to find me
and bring me to the big man.
Yeah, so there were
a lot of people
at his funeral.
Jack Valenti also
basically invented
the film rating system.
He did, didn't he?
Yeah.
And that rating
continues to this day.
G, PG, R,
PG-13, NC-17,
that's a whole other story.
All right,
so that's Jack Valenti for you.
And he will be missed,
definitely,
definitely an icon
in the stage.
All right,
we have a whole bunch
of letters,
a lot of feedback
from the things
we've talked about
in the past few weeks.
And again,
you can write to us,
oth at 2600.com.
Here's a letter
from Derek out in Buffalo.
I was playing around
with a new free
411 service by Google.
It's 1-800-GOOG-411.
I tried it on
a Verizon pay phone.
It connected my call
to the local business
of my choosing
without asking for any money.
Unfortunately,
I did not have the time
to try the same thing
with a business
out of the area,
but hopefully someone else
will and report back.
Well,
I imagine it wouldn't know
the difference
between a business
in a different city
and the business
in your city.
A lot of services online
have been offering
stuff like this
and then they sort of
dwindle away and disappear
where, you know,
they'll connect you
to other calls for free.
But Google has sort of
a different approach
and I guess they suppose
it's worth
the advertising benefits
that they get out of it.
They get to know
who you're looking up
and when and where
and maybe if they have
the cell phone records,
you know,
exactly where you were.
They get to know
even more about you.
They're really curious.
They really want to know
everything, don't they?
With ANI,
they would know
where you're calling from,
so they may only connect you
to the local business.
But if they're gathering
all this data
from cell phone companies,
they could know
your physical location.
What would be the advantage
to them to only connect you
when their telephone system
is probably
somewhere else entirely?
We can solve this
pretty quickly.
Let's see.
Who should we try
to connect to?
Motion Picture Association.
KPFA?
How about the White House?
I don't want to talk to them.
Well, I don't want to talk
to them either,
but let's call Google
and see if they can connect us
to the White House.
Google 411.
Google 411.
Call is recorded for quality.
Google 411. Experimental.
What city and state?
Washington, D.C.
Washington, D.C.
What business name
or category?
White House.
White House.
Top two results.
Number one.
White House.
On Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest.
To select number one,
you can press one
or say number one.
Number one.
Number one.
White House.
On Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest.
I'll connect you.
Or say details or go back.
Details.
Details.
You can also get the details
by saying text message.
White House.
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest.
Washington.
Phone number.
202-456-1111.
Here it is again.
White House.
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest.
Washington.
Washington.
Phone number.
202-456-1111.
I'll connect you.
No, you don't have to, really.
I just wanted the number.
But I don't want to be connected.
I just wanted the number.
Well, this isn't right.
They shouldn't be connecting me
when I don't want to be connected.
Thank you for calling
the White House comment line.
The office is now closed.
Yeah, well, okay.
Hang up on them.
All right, I like that service.
It's kind of cool.
It's very easy to use.
But I just don't like them connecting you
without asking if you want to be connected.
That's a little presumptuous,
don't you think?
But otherwise, yeah,
it connects out of town.
We can use this for all sorts of things.
And I'm glad, Emmanuel,
I'm glad to see that Stephen Hawking
got a part-time job at Google.
Now, that's not nice.
That obviously was not him.
That's that same computer
that's been talking since the 1970s.
You know, there was a time
not that long ago
when we would have been really excited
to learn we could make calls for free.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
I guess it's not so exciting anymore.
But the fact that we can go downstairs
and go to a pay phone
and call this number
and supposedly be connected
to anything in the country that's listed.
That's pretty useful.
That is pretty useful.
Does it only work for listed?
Well, how else are you going to look up somebody
if they're not listed, Jim?
I would think maybe
they have an unlisted director.
Oh, that's priceless.
Okay.
Is it only for businesses
or can you call people too?
Well, do you know anybody
who would like their name
and number spoken over the air?
We can try it,
but I don't think...
Let's do that off air.
All right.
I'm sure our listeners right now
have turned off the radio
and are experimenting with this
to their heart's content.
I hope they don't.
We'll see.
Okay, more letters.
Just wanted to report
what I think is a disturbing trend
in purchasing credit to use a service.
Basically, the service provider,
in this case Skype,
gets to nominate an expiry date
of those credits
whereby you lose those credits
and they are not refunded.
They are just absorbed by the company.
It's in essence money for nothing.
They get to keep the money
without having to deliver
the promised services,
of course, subject to terms
and conditions.
In the case of Skype,
it's within 180 days
of not making a VoIP call,
voice over IP, phone call,
that cost money,
that is call landline or mobile
and then hang up.
Simply logging in to their service
and calling or chatting with someone
who has Skype
is not regarded as a valid enough use
to reset those 180 days.
I understand also
some phone card providers
have an extra one
that says you have X days
to use the card
from first usage.
So it's not even a rolling X days.
It's 60 days
from that first time
you used the card.
That's just another example.
Read more about it
at Andrew's blog
at biscuit-rent.blogspot.com
slash 2007
slash 04
slash skype-bad.html
Thanks, Andrew,
for writing in with that.
But that's a disturbing trend.
There's actually laws
in some states
that provide a sort of
minimum length of time
that a gift certificate
must be valid.
I don't know if that would apply
here or not.
Is it a gift certificate
or is it something
that you're actually buying?
Yeah, I don't know how it works.
If it's considered paying
for the service,
it might not apply.
But they've saved me a lot of money,
so I never really
was bothered by that.
Well, just because someone
saved you a lot of money
doesn't mean they can
rob you afterwards.
No, that's true.
It's not really fair.
If you're concerned,
you could call
your state attorney general.
They might actually
be able to help you.
If you can actually get through.
Well, you know.
It reminds me,
what phone company is it
that has literally
on their phone bills
use them or lose them
as kind of obnoxious.
Is it Singular
or is it T-Mobile?
I'm not sure.
Singular rolls over, right?
So I don't know.
They do roll over.
Yeah.
Well, there's one
where if you don't use them,
you lose them.
And it seems like
they're rubbing it
into your face.
I think it actually
might be Boost Mobile.
Is it Boost Mobile?
I'm assuming so.
All right.
It sounds like
their kind of terminology.
Yeah.
But I thought
they were prepaid.
They don't send you bills.
Yeah.
Kind of run rings
around your logic deck.
If anyone knows,
contact us.
Okay.
And again,
our email address,
othat2600.com.
You're off the hook.
Emanuel has been brainwashed.
I knew it for sure
when North Korea,
North Korean radio came on.
It's the best radio
I've ever heard.
Listener since 1965.
How did you do that?
Find Fletcher
from New York City.
I don't know how you could
listen to us since 1965.
Maybe the radio station
is what you mean
because we've only been on
since 88.
Could listen to BAI
since 65.
Yeah.
Okay.
I guess so.
I knew your deadpan attitude
was not going to be
interpreted as sarcasm.
Dear Emanuel,
just in the past week,
I heard some commentary
about doing business in China.
One of the comments was
that in China,
a contract or agreement
of any kind is considered
only the start of
endless negotiations.
As you found out
when you had to negotiate
getting on another flight
back to the US.
Signed Mark.
And yes,
Mark,
it certainly was a nightmare.
A lot of negotiation,
yelling and screaming.
Actually,
I didn't yell and scream.
I was kind of subdued
the whole time.
Maybe I would have
gotten further
if I had been yelling
at a lot of people
in the airport.
But, yeah,
it's what you got to do.
It's what you got to do.
I'm not really convinced
that a US airline
would behave any differently
though.
They might understand you,
but they wouldn't help you.
I'll bet a US airline
would have their actual
phone number on the website,
not the phone number
of some shady outfit
in Las Vegas.
That's,
you know,
that's kind of.
And I'll bet
when you talk to the person
and got a price,
that would be the price
that you actually got,
not three times that price.
Have you ever dealt
with the airlines?
Like they don't.
He said he couldn't figure out
how to make the price
transfer to Beijing.
And it was my problem
on how to get that to happen.
You know,
I just don't think
that would be tolerated
in one of the major airlines here.
I think you give them
a lot of credit.
Well, I think I give
the American public
a lot of credit
for not taking crap
when they shouldn't.
We'll see.
We'll see.
What else?
Regarding the problem
of speaking English
in the hotel in Beijing
and China,
depending on the generation
of people,
you sometimes have to speak
word by word
instead of how
you normally speak.
Most people over there
do not understand
that they only need
to ask you to slow down
when you're talking fast.
I experienced this
when I was over
in Shangzhou
this last December
with my fiance
to meet her parents.
I thought you'd find
this tidbit of information
interesting.
Signed,
show fire.
And definitely
helpful information to have.
When you ask somebody,
do you speak English though?
And they say yes.
You kind of assume
you can sort of
start talking.
And they seem
to be understanding you
until you get to the last word
What?
I didn't understand
a single word you said
and you don't know
where to go back to.
Let's see.
Translations.
I'm sorry, Bernie.
Go ahead.
We have some
North Korean translations.
Yes.
In fact, let me
find those.
We played some
North Korean radio
over the past...
Actually, we played
a North Korean song
a couple of weeks ago
and then last week
we played some material
that I actually
was able to tape
off of the
radio when I was
in Pyongyang.
Let's see.
Let's do the first week first.
Actually, Mike,
you were responsible
for finding the material.
What was the material?
Yeah, it's from a CD
called Radio Pyongyang
which is put out by
I guess a record label
called Sublime Frequencies.
And what they do
is they go
all around the world
and they sort of
record local radio
and local musicians
and sort of mix it up
in interesting ways.
And they generally
do a pretty good job.
Do you have the translation there?
I do.
Okay.
And so the beginning
of what we played
was actually from
a numbers station
which our listeners
should know about.
This is two weeks ago
so if you're going
in your archives
listen to...
Was it two weeks ago
or was it three weeks ago?
Two weeks ago.
Two weeks ago, okay.
And at the end
of the show
we played this bit
which started
with a woman saying
this is document
number 2830
over and over again.
And then they played
a song
and the translation
was that
the wind blowing
tree leaves
makes me miss him.
Looking at the sky's
white clouds
makes me miss him more.
Cloud bring me
to my father
to my father general's arms.
I want to run
and leap into his arms.
My chest is bursting
missing him.
Today I wish him
health and wait for him.
And the father general
is of course
Kim Il-sung
the great leader
of North Korea.
And then there is
a man speaking
who says
here is Chosun's
Panmunjom
which is the
General's
Panmunjom
which is the
Joint Security Area
on the border.
Here we can see
American invaders
for the first time
in history
surrendered to the
mighty power
of North Korea.
And so that is
what they say.
And we should
thank Stella
who did the
translation for us.
And Stella also
did the translation
for the radio
that we played
last week
which we have
here.
She says
the content
is pretty mundane
reporting what
happened in
North Korea.
And Kim Jong-il
of course being
the current leader
son of Kim Il-sung.
This is Pyongyang
broadcasting station.
It is 7 o'clock.
And then you have
the beeps.
Man speaking
this is news broadcasting.
Several diplomats
from various countries
came over
and gave the great leader
Kim Jong-il
flower baskets
and letters
for the sun holiday.
The head diplomat
personally delivered
the flower baskets
and letters
in company of his entourage.
Of course the sun holiday
being the birthday
of Kim Il-sung
April 15th.
Then the woman speaking
Mongol diplomats
also came over
and gave presents
to the great leader
Kim Jong-il
for the sun holiday
on 12th.
Man speaking
the great leader
Kim Jong-il
generously gave presents
to Mongol representatives.
Woman speaking
this undying
classical piece
written by the great
eternal president
Kim Il-sung
et cetera et cetera.
And then apparently
the piece that we played
that was music
was written by Kim Il-sung
and was then played.
And who knew
he could do so much?
He did a lot of things.
He wrote a million books
Then later on
the piece that we played
at the end of the show
Woman speaking
this is Pyongyang
broadcasting station
it is 12 o'clock
and that's pretty much all
that Stella was able
to make out
in that particular section.
But thanks Stella
for sending that in
and for letting us know
what's being said.
It's always good
to have translations
of various things
that we play over the air.
Yeah, so I got a lot
of feedback about North Korea
a lot of questions
and I guess people want to
call back with
with questions
about what it was like
over there.
I'll try and answer
as best I can.
Dear Emanuel
some comments about
your impression of North Korea.
I understand what you mean
about not believing
everything that one is told
about an enemy nation
and I'm sure that
there are plenty of nice people
in North Korea
just like everywhere else.
However, you mentioned
several times
in last week's
Off the Hook
that these are things
that the North Koreans
have chosen to value
and believe in as a culture
and that is far from the truth.
Surely they have learned
to survive there
as humans will
just about everywhere
but to imply that
they are content
with no freedom of speech
hearing only news
about their wonderful
and glorious leader
is a gross misstatement.
I don't know if you got
to discuss the politics
with any North Koreans
but if you did
they would likely
be very nervous
and it would be very difficult
for them to say anything
that wasn't praising
towards their government.
I can understand
why you wouldn't
bring up politics
and as a trip
to just explore
the human condition
it sounds like
you were very successful.
A couple of comments here.
The problem is
I don't think
they have anything
to compare it to.
They don't really know
what the way of life is here
so it's a totally
different mentality I think.
And that's basically it
is the fact that
you don't have exposure
to these things
so how can you possibly
know that you desire it?
You have no conception
of the outside world
and am I saying
that's a good thing?
Of course not
but to say that
they're not content
I saw these people
they are content.
The people I saw
seemed very content
and basically
I just think
it's dangerous
to assume
that people want
our way of life
and to force it upon them.
And if you did ask them
about politics over there
what they would be saying
is probably what they believe.
It wouldn't be
that they were being
forced to lie
it's just that's
what they believe
and they wouldn't
really understand
any of the points
that you were trying to make.
So I'm not saying
that this is a good thing
but it's just
totally different.
It's not for us to say
that's the point
I'm trying to make here
is that people
identify the kind of life
they want to lead
and the people there
seem to be leading a life
that they're at least
understanding a whole lot
better than we are
and will there be changes?
Yeah, you know
I think there will be changes
but only if there's dialogue
only if there's communication
between people
and we don't have that now.
And I think the best way
to get that is to try
and understand people
on their terms.
And I think making the analogy
between their government
doing what they want
and our government
doing what we want
is a pretty good one
because there's a lot of people
who don't agree with
what our government is doing
and you know
we can't change that
and it's the same thing
with them.
Let me continue
with this letter here.
In any case
you have been there
and I have not
so I cannot speak directly
and I'm sure we've been told
some greatly exaggerated stories
but I have seen
and read interviews
with people who have managed
to escape from North Korea
and my impression has been
that the people
are decidedly not happy there.
Of course obviously
people who escape
are not happy.
Sometimes though
and I'm not saying
this is true
of the majority of cases
but it has been true
where the stories
that are being told
have been proven
to be not true.
For instance
there was one person
who was claiming
to have been a driver
for the food aid convoy
and that he would
deliver food
directly to the army
would go bypass the towns
and go directly there
and the head of
the UN food program
said this is not true
this person doesn't
work for us
he's making it up.
So sometimes
and it's also happened
that people who escape
the country
aren't really escaping
the country
that they're going
and spreading misinformation
just to mess with people's heads
and they're actually
still working
for the government
over there.
So you really
you can't base it
just on the people
that cross the border
and go someplace else
because obviously
they have a very
strong opinion.
You shouldn't discard
those opinions
but at the same time
you have to look
at other opinions
and the only way
to do that is
seeing, meeting,
talking to the people
inside the country.
Continuing
I appreciate you
visiting this country
and reporting on it
from the inside.
It is always good
to have our government's
view of society
as they chose it
to be the way it is
which is probably
the closest thing
the world has yet seen
to the society
described in 1984.
P.S.
If you read this
on the air
use it in your magazine
or something
please don't mention
my name.
Well
who's afraid
of being identified
and tracked down
or whatnot.
I think that's
a bit ironic there
but thanks for the opinions
well expressed.
Okay, what else?
We've got
more people commenting.
By the way
our phone number
and we'll be taking
phone calls
in just a little bit.
People commenting also
on what happened
in China.
Various things
that I was doing
over there.
No doubt you're sick
of this question
but I'm really curious
about what happened
in China
after you searched
for Falun Gong.
Who was the friendly person
who silently sat
through the rest
of the broadcast?
Someone from the hotel
that didn't want
to get in trouble
with the government?
Was it that final search
that really tipped it
over the edge
or did the earlier ones
actually raise a flag
that it just took
a few minutes
for whoever to respond to?
The gang in New York
were laughing about
how quickly the knock
on the door came
when you went to answer it
but when you came back
and asked to change
the subject it was shocking.
I'm glad you made it
back okay
signed one boring person.
Well, thanks for writing.
Actually, I have to say
so many people
have written about this
asking what it was
that really happened
and I'm tempted
to just explain
what the magic
of radio is
where, you know,
we were talking
about this before
about how television
and radio
isn't something
that you really
rivet your attention to
but yet through radio
without actually
seeing something
you can create impressions
of all sorts of things
that are going on.
I'm tempted to
to just sort of
explain it away that way
that people
basically get an image
based on the sounds
that they hear
over the air
but just to satisfy
people's curiosity
as far as
what actually happened
when we typed in
or I typed in Falun Gong
into the Google search
engine
and it immediately reset
and then there was
the knock on the door.
Well, what that actually was
was
a knock on the door.
In effect.
And, you know,
that's really
the God's honest truth
of what actually happened.
So now you know
pretty much everything
that we know
and to be honest,
you know,
I'm kind of sick
of the question.
I don't want to bring it up anymore.
I don't want to talk about it.
So please respect that.
Please respect that
and don't bring it up again
because I've been through it enough.
All right.
All right.
Let's take some phone calls.
212-209-2900
is our telephone number.
And do we have any phone calls?
We have one phone call.
Let's get a bunch more.
Let's get a bunch more.
Let's read some letters here.
More letters.
We get so many letters.
OTH at 2600.com
Let's see.
Listening to the first half
of Off the Hook
from April 25th
on the way to work this morning.
You're spot on
with the whole Boris Yeltsin
some dumb actor's
phone message thing.
The mainstream media
in the US is a joke
and has to be at least
partly responsible
for the average American's
ignorance of real world affairs
in the grand chase for ratings
and thus better advertising revenue
and to be the first
to get the scoop
and thus the ratings
the media here in the US
have lost the plot.
The problem is
most of the sheep
with their fingers
on the remote controls
haven't noticed this.
They're getting
so they're happy
contented
and they share
the blame for
eating the crap
the news outlets
feed them
and making it more likely
that the news
will give us more
of the same.
After all, it's what gets
the viewers, right?
With the whole 24-7
always on
interconnected live
people
there's always
a disturbing shift
towards we want
the news immediately.
This was obvious
in the early coverage
of the Virginia Tech
shootings
where the same
few seconds of video
were endlessly looped
and most of the questions
were differently worded
versions of the same
few questions
all wanting information
that could not
reasonably be known
to the investigators
so soon
yet they asked them
repeatedly because
people want to know now
they'll get all sulky
and go elsewhere
when you can't do that
for them
and they're too ignorant
to realize
that finding out
what happened
generally takes more
than five minutes
in these situations.
To keep them happy
the news outlets
provide facts light
endless worthless
speculation about
what happened
why and most importantly
what's even known
to most Americans
born in the last 20 years
referring to Boris Yeltsin
doesn't put
bums on seats
I like that expression
but the death
of a woman
who had no notable talents
beyond being blonde
loud
formerly married
to a rich old man
with a bad cough
and more often
than not seen in public
stoned off her face
captivates the average
couch potato.
Anna Nicole Smith's death
was tragic
as death generally is
but her impact on the world
we live in was minimal
especially compared
to someone like Boris Yeltsin
who changed the course
of an entire nation
and reshaped the world
in doing so.
However, she's well known
and news about her
gets the ratings up
so her death received
weeks of coverage
even on the local news
while he gets
almost no mention anywhere.
The world is not
suddenly a different place
because of what some
celebrity did earlier today
but it might have changed
because of some
boring news item
that didn't get reported.
News should be about
reporting the known facts
about important events
not maximizing
advertising revenue
through higher ratings.
By that standard
all the big media
news providers
in this country
are failures
and should be ashamed
of themselves.
Thank you Paul
for those brilliant words
and hopefully
that'll keep you
listening to the news
here on WBAI
where I think
we do get it right.
My first comment
is here, here.
I would like to
in the tone
of that letter
recommend a book
that's almost as old
as I am
but is still
very true today.
It's called
A Nation of Sheep.
It's written by
the same people
who wrote
The Ugly American
I believe one of
whose names is Burdick
B-U-R-D-I-C-K
and the very fact
it is not new
that the news media
does a horrible job
covering any sort
of intelligent
or important news
and it gives you
solid suggestions
on what you can do
to actually improve
your knowledge
of what's important
and what will be
affecting you
if you want
that sort of thing.
If you'd like to be
mindlessly entertained
just keep going
the way things
are going
but otherwise
pick up a copy
of A Nation of Sheep
and read it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Pick up a copy
of A Nation of Sheep
and take its suggestions
to heart.
And with the internet today
it's even easier
I would think
to get news
from reliable sources.
Right.
The main suggestion
in A Nation of Sheep
is that you should go
to other sources
rather than your local media
to get the news
and it suggests
the Christian Science Monitor
and the BBC
and others.
Okay, Mike, quickly
you have something
on crisis.
Yeah, one such source
is Cryptome
which is
cryptome.org
which is a website
that publishes
from government
and other
organizations
and they always have
a lot of
good information
about all kinds
of crazy stuff
and they are being
shut down
or at least
their current
internet service provider
which is called
Vario
has sent
John Young
who's the proprietor
of the website
this sort of
very vague email
saying he's
violated
their acceptable
use policy
and they will
terminate his service
so he's
going to be moving
to another service
but it's really
no one knows
why they're
shutting him down
or what
you know
who put pressure
on them
it's kind of
very mysterious.
That's what happens
when you say
controversial things
they try to silence you
and we're all familiar
with that.
Alright, let's take
some phone calls
212-209-2900
and good evening
you're on
Off The Hook.
Speak up, please.
You know, Google's
411 service
at the beginning
they play a little
announcement saying
free phone calls
Oh yeah, you're right
you know
I just assumed
they were talking about
the information call
but that's right
if they connect you
they can monitor
the entire call
and they did say that
didn't they?
Very good point.
Wow.
Google really is
They're really
invading, I think.
Alright, thanks
for that little bit
of information.
That's kind of
spooky there.
And good evening
you're on
Off The Hook.
Speak up.
Good show as usual
but the letter
probably misquotes
it wasn't
Boris Yeltsin
who transformed
the Soviet Union
it was Mikhail Gorbachev
and that can be
debated
but it can't be
disputed.
Have a good evening.
Okay, but they both
obviously had
a lot to do with it
Boris Yeltsin
certainly was
was bugging
Mikhail Gorbachev
to make all sorts
of changes
he felt a lot
of pressure from him
and it's
basically
important people
in important places
at important times.
Certainly more important
than Anna Nicole Smith.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Yes Emmanuel.
How you doing?
Go to Cuba.
Alright, alright.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Speak up.
Hello?
Yes, go ahead.
Yes, hi.
You know I'm
commenting on
the comments
that people made
on your visit
to Korea.
I don't understand
why it is
that Americans
especially
and Westerners
generally
always think
that
a place like
North Korea
you know
is not free
there is no
freedom of expression
the people don't
support the government
what have you.
This is a country
that has been
attacked
many times
it has been
invaded by the
United States
it has been
split into two
millions of lives
were
you know
millions of people
died in the struggle
to you know
to save
their country
and the
government
of course
is paranoid
and the people
are themselves
paranoid
and I'm sure
that there is
probably
no absolute
freedom there
but here in the
United States
a building was
blown up
one or two
buildings was
blown up
and the people
were prepared
to give the
government
total
carte blanche
to change
you know
there are lots of
things that are
happening in the
U.S. now
that is very
similar to the
things that are
happening in
serious military
dictatorships
and autocratic
countries all
over the world
as I see it
what's going on
now in the
United States
is very similar
to a lot of
the things
that the U.S.
used to
criticize the
U.S.
in terms of
people are
scared to talk
loudly to their
own neighbors
you are scared
to make statements
in public places
because you don't
know who's
listening
and you have
something called
an 800 number
a security
my 800 security
number
once you have
that in a
country
there's no
real freedom
because anybody
can you know
unanimously
call this
800 security
hotline
and any
dumb
security
man or
whoever
thinks that he
has something
hot to work on
which number
can break your
life in misery
which number
is this
which 800 number
are you referring to
I'm talking about
the security
hotline
the security
hotline
what do you
call it
homeland
homeland security
department of
homeland security
security hotline
okay well
certainly if it
isn't yet
it's definitely
well on the way
to that
and something
that we have
to keep a
close eye on
because yeah
you make some
good points there
but we don't
really have time
to discuss it
much more
because we're
almost out of time
we do want to
get to a bunch
of calls
thanks for that
call
and good
evening
you're on
off the hook
speak up
yes hello
this question
uh
triborrow
or uh
midtown tunnel
if you get too
close to another
car
you will ride for
free
um
is that true
if you get too
close to another
car you ride for
free on easy
pass
i don't believe
i don't think
so because the
gate only opens
once
no
if you are very
close though
you won't pay
because the
green light from
the first
car will
You need an easy pass to do it.
You just get very close to the car in front of you, and when it opens up for them, you
ride for free, more or less.
Here's a question.
Here's a hypothetical question.
What if you're towing a car?
You got the rope, and you're just towing another car, and I guess you only have to pay for
one ride.
Well, yeah, because only one vehicle is manned, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, why not just simply do that, tie a car, tie two cars together, and drive through
the tunnel that way?
You can't legally tow a car with another car for any distance.
It has to be a tow truck.
Really?
You can't do that legally?
All the people I see towing cars are doing...
For...
Yeah, you can do it, like, in your neighborhood, but I've been in cases of that where you've
been stopped by the police.
The cameras at these tow booths still take the picture.
So the potential of sneaking behind a car and getting close, you can still get caught.
Uh-huh, but what are they taking a picture of?
If you're that close to the car, they can't see your license plate, unless they take it
from the back.
Well, they'll see another car right behind it.
They'll see another...
Yeah, they actually compare the license plates with the license plate that's registered to
the tag.
Well, they can get you to the open, then.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know.
I guess...
Well, we have a lot of experimenting to do with going through tow booths, I suppose.
By the way, the booths in New Jersey, certain places don't have gates at all, unlike the
MTA, tunnels and bridges and stuff, so...
Uh-huh.
Seems like a lot of effort to just, you know, drive into a city where cars aren't needed
anyway.
Well, on that subject, with regards to Bloomberg's idea for having the congestion tax, whatever
it is they call it, this is a statement that, according to the Plan NYC Transportation Technical
Report, it says, drivers' privacy would be protected as records would only be kept for
the purposes of congestion charging and discarded as soon as payments are processed.
Keep in mind, though, that with all the subpoenas due to national security matters, I don't
think that's very private when it comes to certain matters.
Can anybody here really honestly believe that they're going to discard the information about
all the cars that pass by?
I mean, all the cars, not just cars going through tunnels, all the cars in a city, in
a particular area?
I mean...
That could generate huge revenue just to sell that data.
I mean, it's...
I don't believe it.
Well, I think we'd find out if they sold it.
There's certain things they can go with clandestinely, but if they were selling the data to an enterprise,
I think we'd find out.
Yeah, but then we'd find out, and then what?
We'd be in the same state we're in now with other data they've sold.
Well, speaking of companies trying to discard data, look at the JP Morgan scandal that just
happened where five of their branches in New York City were found throwing out loan applications
with their client's social security numbers on them.
This is nothing new.
Not even shredded.
This is nothing new.
They've been doing this for decades.
And yeah, it's just...
These companies will not change.
The governments will not change.
It's always going to be about whatever is easiest for them.
It's not going to involve privacy or security of individuals.
Let's see if we can squeeze in one more phone call.
Let's go over here.
Good evening.
You're on Off The Hook.
Oh, yes.
Yes, we must defend North Korea against US imperialism.
That's the key thing.
And the North Koreans are here in New York City.
Why not have them come on and get airtime at BAI?
Or the Chinese?
They're down on 42nd Street and 9th...
12th Avenue or something?
12th Avenue, yes.
Why not let them come in and talk?
Let's have a friendly discussion with them.
Well, anybody's welcome to come down and talk.
Anybody's welcome to come in and call.
So our airwaves are always open for anybody to say whatever it is is on their mind.
But we're out of time, so we can't say any more of what's on our mind.
The personal computer show is up next.
But we're out of time, so we can't say any more of what's on our mind.
But we're out of time, so we can't say any more of what's on our mind.
But we're out of time, so we can't say any more of what's on our mind.
And we'll be back again next week with a special fundraising edition.
That's right.
It's that time all over again.
We'll see you next week.
Emmanuel for Off The Hook.
Have a good night.
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