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Peace.
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Oh my, oh my God, hear my mother goddess living genocide singing.
Oh my, oh my God, hear my mother goddess living suicide singing.
Oh my, oh my God, oh my God.
And you're listening to radio station WBAI New York, where the time is 7 o'clock.
Time once again for Off The Hook.
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that you do now?
What is it that you could not have done, say, two years ago?
Has the technology advanced to a stage where you're able to do things that just weren't
possible?
Well, yeah.
The size alone of the equipment, be it the dishes, be it the actual servers and switches,
just allow us to put things in places that were otherwise too obtrusive before.
One thing that has helped us is just this ubiquitous conversation about wireless has
put it out there, whether everyone understands it or not, but when we say we do fixed microwave
wireless, we're broadly accepted.
The landlord community here in New York City, the commercial landlord community, has been
a huge asset to us.
We've got some terrific relationships on some of the premier buildings, and we're thrilled
about those relationships.
They allow us to basically sectorize New York City and get to places that aren't serviced
by fiber, and wireless has fiber-like performance.
How many places aren't served by fiber these days?
Most of them, right?
Well, nationwide, there's 750,000 commercial office buildings, and the estimate is that
less than 10% of them are serviced by fiber.
New York being New York is probably 5% higher, so there's still 85% of the buildings in Manhattan
that are not fiber-enabled.
The purpose of getting the higher bandwidth is to support all these terrific applications,
whether it's voiceover IP, more and more video coming down the line.
The old copper infrastructure just is woefully inadequate to support it.
There's just too much latency built into the system.
Now, what we're doing for Hope, and I guess we're pretty fortunate because we're in a
good location, we're basically connecting – well, actually, Pyro, you're here, too.
Maybe you could explain what we're doing.
We're pointing a dish, is it, at 4 Times Square?
Basically, yes, we're doing a one-up to 4 Times Square from hopefully the 18th floor
of the Pennsylvania Hotel, where the conference is going to be, and that will enable us to
bring in a huge, huge amount of bandwidth to the conference available for however we
want to break it up and use it.
We still have the same ISP that we had for the previous Hope conferences, so this will
just be on top of what we already have.
Okay, so we're going to have a whole lot.
Now, the guys at Rainbow have been great as far as helping us out with this, but there
are still certain installation costs that we do have to shoulder, and that's why we're
asking people for their help in doing this, because this wasn't originally budgeted,
but it's just so cool we can't pass it up.
So if you go to www.2600.com, you'll see there's a little counter there, and hopefully
we'll raise something so we can definitely do this.
One way or another, we will do it, though.
There's no question about that.
Give us an idea of what kind of bandwidth we're looking at.
We're looking at the equivalent of 144 megs of bandwidth coming to us.
So if you think of a normal business having a T3 of just about 45, that's going to be
a lot more than any normal big business could possibly ever deliver to us.
That's cool.
And I have to say, a lot of this was inspired by going to CCC this winter and seeing what
the Germans were doing.
The Germans had, what was it, 15 gigs or something?
They had some enormous amount of bandwidth.
They had more bandwidth going to that building than the entire continent of Africa, which
I think is obscene.
But still, they put up signs saying, use more bandwidth.
And I came back saying, having the equivalent of two T1s is nice, but we're in the middle
of New York City.
We should be able to figure out a way to do something.
Find some way.
There's got to be.
If we just believe we can do it, we'll do it.
And Pyro, you came along, and you did a lot of research, and you found these guys.
How did you track them down?
I actually knew Mark from a previous company called Urban Broadband, who, a company I had
worked for, was interested in doing just this, the microwave link-up as a backup solution
for AT&T, because as we all know, AT&T and Verizon together spell trouble.
So Mark had, I had enlisted the aid of Urban Broadband, and then Urban just kind of like
dropped off the face of the earth.
And I was kind of desperate, and I didn't want to let this just go to waste, so I called
in a few favors, got a hold of a few contacts, and Mark somehow resurfaced.
And I told him, Mark, look, you know, we need to get this done.
We need to do this.
And what can you do for me?
And we bantered back and forth, got a lot of scenarios going, presented it to the Hope
crew, and finally hammered out something.
Awesome.
Now, the political structure here and in Europe seems to be totally different, where like,
where here it's all sort of corporation-based.
In Europe, it seems like among, you know, friends, they were able to get these connections
because most of the hackers there, a lot of our friends work for ISPs, and they all have
friends working at other ISPs.
So they were sort of able to get these links put together by, you know, just having contacts,
you know, being friends with other people and saying, hey, listen, can you do us a favor?
You know, run, you know, just give us access for the weekend here.
And they were, I mean, just an enormous amount of bandwidth.
I think they had fiber going to two different co-location facilities.
And even at their campsite before, in the middle of nowhere, they had more bandwidth
than we were able to get in New York City.
So it's just, yeah, it got very frustrating after a while.
So once again, the Europeans have inspired us to take a step forward, this time more
out of anger than anything else.
But we did it.
And we're going to do it.
We haven't done it yet, but we will.
And for those who don't know, the Hope conference is coming up July 21st, 22nd, and 23rd.
It's very soon.
Yeah, it's a month.
It's exactly a month from today.
Oh, wow.
Today's June 21st.
So yeah, if you haven't started to panic yet, now would be a good time.
We have all kinds of speakers.
We have, I think, more speakers than last time.
We had a lot of speakers last time.
Right now we're working out the scheduling and the hardest part is figuring out where
to put everybody.
One announcement I'd like to make, we have a Saturday keynote.
We have a Friday keynote of Richard Stallman, who many of you know and love and have heard
about and read about.
Our Saturday keynote will be Michael Hart.
You guys know who Michael Hart is?
He is the guy who is the founder of Project Gutenberg, which makes electronic books freely
available via the internet.
And yeah, it's pretty cool.
A lot of people are into this.
And he's a great speaker.
We're going to be having a very entertaining time.
In addition to him, we'll have Kevin Mitnick and Jello Biafra and all your other favorite
people from around the world that will be showing up, along with many new faces.
So information, www.hope.net, register for the low price it's on now.
It's going to go up at the door.
When is the deadline?
It's going to be probably sometime in early July and sooner for you guys overseas because
we have to get you things and you're further away.
Okay, now Mark, how do people get a hold of your company?
First of all, let me ask you, we have line of sight, obviously, being at the Hotel Pennsylvania.
We're only about eight blocks away from Four Times Square.
Do people have to have line of sight of that in order to use your business?
Yeah, Manuel, they do.
In the case of the Hotel Pennsylvania, it has to be categorized as a layup.
We're actually going to be shooting from the northern balcony or window, whatever the hotel
permits, right up to the Condé Nast building at Four Times Square.
Less than a half a mile, it just will allow four, five, six nines of reliability and complete
security.
As far as other customers are concerned, we do require a line of sight, but we strategically
located on top of some of the taller buildings throughout Manhattan, basically creating sectors
from north to south on Manhattan.
If we can see your building, we can get you service and we can get it to you probably
in under 30 days.
Is this something usual where you can shoot through windows and not have a problem for
customers who don't have access to the roof of their building?
Yes, we can go through windows.
Obviously, we would like to maximize our penetration into the building.
We prefer to walk into the landlord and have him see the benefit of enhancing the tenant
services in his building.
Everyone's embracing us, but where we can't get that or that we can't get that in a timely
fashion to still provide service, we will go through windows.
We've even figured out a couple techniques to defeat treated glass, which comes up rarely,
but when it does, we've now figured out a way to defeat it as well.
Cool.
How do people get a hold of your company?
I appreciate you saying that.
You can call us at 212-201-1240 in New York or visit our website at www.rainbowbroadband.com.
Cool.
Well, Mark, thanks for coming by.
We're going to keep you on in case the listeners have any questions.
Pyro, I want to thank you for making all this happen.
Thank you, Eric.
Just an example of one of the many people who come together for the HOPE Conference
every couple of years and make amazing things happen.
I want to welcome Bernie S. from Philadelphia.
Bernie, are you with us?
I am, and I'm very excited about this technology.
Yeah, it's something else.
I knew it was possible to do something.
I didn't know exactly what we were going to do, but I knew something was possible.
As long as we believe that we can do it, we'll pull it off somehow.
It's not just the technology that excites me.
It's putting thousands of interested people who are interested in making the most out
of technology in one place and seeing what they can do with that much bandwidth.
Absolutely.
Okay, so continuing on, we have all sorts of other things to talk about as well.
As I said, Mark Hertzler is going to stay with us, so if people want to call up later
on and ask him questions about Rainbow Broadband or this technology or anything like that,
feel free to do so.
Our number is 212-209-2900.
Don't call now because Verizon will disconnect you after a certain number of rings.
We'll be taking calls in a little bit.
Just wait for the announcement.
Joining us now is our old friend, Steve Ranbam, who has been at every HELP conference, I believe.
Is that true, Steve?
Unfortunately, that is true.
Yes, it's a bit tiring, I know, but you'll be at this one as well.
In fact, you're doing something even more this year.
You're running your own sub-conference.
Tell us something about that.
We have an investigative tactics and training seminar, which is a condensed version of
the seminar that we run for law enforcement all around the country.
It's going to be all day Saturday from 8 o'clock in the morning until 7 at night.
We have Jerry Keenan, who is a 21-year military intelligence specialist speaking on military
records.
We have Kelly Riddle, who is a former director of a police academy teaching a surveillance
course, which he routinely teaches to the federal government.
We have an incredible DNA seminar being taught by the director of DNA Labs International.
We've got Reggie Montgomery, who is an investigative legend who has taught polygraph to just about
every polygraph examiner on the East Coast.
He's doing a polygraph seminar.
I'm giving a seminar on international investigations, which we typically teach to the intelligence
community.
And from 5 o'clock to 7 o'clock, we are having, as part of the general session, we're having
a considerably more in-depth than usual seminar on databases, privacy, remarkable new additions.
This is going to be something that we've never made available to the general public
before.
Now, just to be clear, the individual seminar presentations, that's something above and
beyond the HOPE Conference.
Correct.
That's something that is sort of like a separate conference running at the same time in the
same hotel in a different floor, on the sixth floor, I believe.
Correct.
Now, all these speakers, though, will be joining together for a special two-hour panel discussion
that you're going to be leading that Saturday night.
So I guess, as you mentioned, the general public will learn a whole lot about investigative
techniques and things like that.
What kind of person should consider registering for the seminars, though?
Well, that's correct.
From 8 o'clock to 5 o'clock, that's a closed seminar.
You have to register separately.
You have to be approved.
Approved, eh?
Well, I'm afraid so.
Yeah?
I'm not too sure Kevin Mitnick could get in.
I'm kidding.
Well, now he's going to try.
Actually, we invited Kevin to our last seminar in Vegas.
Oh, yeah?
From 8 o'clock to 5 o'clock, that's a closed seminar.
You have to register separately.
You have to be approved.
There is a...
Approved, eh?
From 8 o'clock to 5 o'clock, that is a separate seminar that is closed.
You do have to subscribe.
Interested attendees can go to paltechseminars.com.
Paltech spelled P-A-L-L-T-E-C-H, seminars.com.
But from 5 o'clock to 7 o'clock, we're rounding up all the speakers, including myself, from
the seminar.
And we are doing a privacy and database seminar and talk.
And then all of the investigative lecturers will be available on a panel to answer questions.
Sounds great.
And I understand you're interested in finding another victim.
Yes.
Okay.
That's correct.
Tell us about the victim.
There is nothing better to demonstrate what is available on the unsuspecting investigative
target than to have a volunteer victim who we will give a digital proctology exam and
reveal the results at the seminar.
Let me say that we will be gentle.
We will use, I guess, to keep going with the analogy, digital Vaseline, but sorry, I couldn't
help myself.
But very seriously, this has to be somebody who is willing to have, in very large part,
the details of their life revealed to 1,400 or however many 2,000 HOPE attendees.
Now, we will do things, let me add before someone gets frightened, we will do things
like mask the bulk of your social security number.
If you have a criminal record, we will.
You wouldn't volunteer if you had a criminal record, probably, right?
Why not?
Oh, I guess.
Okay.
Why not?
Yeah.
You know, there are some things that you can do that break the law that are not particularly
heinous.
If you're a child molester, don't call in.
Yeah, probably not.
But if you've stolen a Twinkie and gotten caught, I don't see that as, you know, particularly
nefarious conduct.
This is not a good thing for people with skeletons in their closets, but it's perfect for amnesia
victims who have a name and they just can't relate to it yet.
Hopefully, we'll get someone with a bit more of a history than an amnesia victim.
Okay.
Great.
So, we tried this last time, but I understand the person that actually volunteered got cold
feet at the last minute.
It was an unbelievable dossier on this guy, and we called him up and chatted with him
about it, and we got a call from his lawyer the next morning.
Oh, my goodness.
And, you know, we had a release signed from him.
We will give you a release to sign.
And if we wanted to be daring and get you sued and me sued, we probably could have gone
ahead.
But since this is all going up in a big keynote presentation on the screen, I thought that
that would be not particularly intelligent.
Why would somebody volunteer if they were going to get cold feet?
Did they really not think they were going to get caught?
We were kind of suckers.
This was somebody who wanted to see if people could find out about his background, and he
kind of suckered us into it.
We did find out pretty much everything there was to know, and then he said, okay, now I
know.
If you reveal it, I'll sue you.
So this year, let me tell you, if there's somebody else, no problem.
Sue us.
We're putting it up on the screen.
Yeah, really.
I mean, you know, why volunteer for something like that if you're going to back out at the
last minute knowing that.
The guy, I think, got smart at all of us.
Well, let's just assure the people out there thinking of volunteering to be the victim
that Steve will find out about you.
He'll find anything, any secret that you might have is going to be revealed.
So don't volunteer if you don't want that to happen.
Don't be surprised when that happens.
We're not kidding here.
We're not just, you know, going to do smoke and mirrors.
Steve will find out.
And it will be not only the expected investigative information, but it will be purposely an example
of the sort of digital footprints that you leave in the snow as you go on with your life.
I mean, you brought up eBay.
Pulling someone's eBay history will tell you an enormous amount about someone.
Their Skype account, their monster.com resume listing.
I mean, the investigator's best friend is MySpace, for example.
It's interesting you should say that because there was an article in New Scientist last
week.
Basically, it seems that the National Security Agency is now taking an interest in things
like MySpace and LiveJournal and Friendster and Facebook and all that and actually following
through on these leads.
These social circles that people are painting about themselves.
We have an investigative meta-search that does nothing but on-command data mining called
guerrillatrace.com, which in fact the NSA has signed up for.
And we're going to be demonstrating that at the convention also.
And one of the things it does is it searches military records in Google and blogs and MySpace
and monster.com and everything that the average person is considerate enough to put out there
in cyberspace so investigators don't have to work so hard.
Now, are you surprised that so many people are putting their lives on display willingly
like this?
It's unavoidable.
Look, 20 years ago, if you made a tape recording, it was an analog recording.
To index it was borderline impossible.
What the NSA did with grabbing keywords at that time was considered technology of the
future.
Now, any idiot with an analog to digital converter can do that.
Photos are digital.
Every document that you would have typed out on an analog typewriter, for lack of a better
way to describe a typewriter, or written out longhand is now considerably – you don't
have to have rooms of people doing data input.
You are inputting the data of your life for us.
What I'm asking is why do people make it so easy?
Why do they put their class schedules online for the whole world to see?
Why do they put their photo albums for their family online?
Because it's a way of having –
A diary is supposed to be private, not public.
Well, because it's a way of having a presence in the universe.
And not only that, the average person wants to share information in an easy way.
I'm not saying that this information should be limited by any means.
I'm speaking a little tongue-in-cheek about a lot of this.
What I am saying is that there should be a level playing field, and that's one of the
things that we're going to talk about at the convention.
The most dangerous thing is not limiting this information, it's limiting this information
only to the government.
Now this is obviously a panel to show what's available and what you can get on people.
Is this using public resources, or is this –
Well, it's also going to show – for example, my company – and by the way, I'm your
101st customer, I'm going to sign up with you.
We run the largest privately held investigative support service in the country called Paltech.
We have 24 billion individual reference records.
That's just individual records, not business records, not corporate records.
Frankly, there's stuff out there that you don't know about.
But even without accessing things like a social security number trace, or a credit header,
or a driver's license, or a motor vehicle, or a voter registration record, or cell phone
number tracing, or cell phone number bills, or your toll calls, or your credit card bills
– and I could go on for about a half an hour what's available out there that is
not publicly available that we're going to demonstrate.
Even without accessing all of that, which we are going to do on victim number one, there
is now today, and it's just increasing exponentially, so much stuff out there publicly that at a
certain point you're going to get to the point where investigative databases are almost
superfluous.
Everyone's going to be able to be an investigator.
Okay.
It's kind of frightening when you think of it that way.
But again, the Paltech seminar is taking place on Saturday, July 22nd during the HOPE conference.
The website again?
Paltechseminars.com.
Okay, all the registration info is on there, all the speaker information is on there, and
again, all those speakers, along with Steve, will be appearing on a two-hour panel at the
General HOPE conference.
Now if somebody is interested in being this so-called victim, how do they contact us?
They can go to the investigation website, which is Pallorium, P-A-L-L-O-R-I-U-M.com,
and click on the link, or they can send a direct email to my super secret email address,
which is about to be announced to 100,000 people, Rambam, R-A-M-B-A-M, at Pallorium,
P-A-L-L-O-R-I-U-M.com.
Okay.
Sounds great.
A couple of questions on some other things that have been going on in the news.
You've heard about this Verizon chaperone service that's just been introduced.
What do you think of something like that, where you can actually track somebody's location
by cell phone, and I guess it's perfect for the kids, so you know where they are at all
times, right?
Anyone can do that now.
Mm-hmm.
And you don't have to have a GPS-enabled cell phone.
That's really a misconception.
In an urban area, as the gentleman to my right can tell you, you can triangulate in on any
signal.
There's just so many access points and transmittal and reception points that even if someone
has an old analog cell phone, I can tell you within about 30, 40 feet where he is.
Now this is something that we've discussed a whole bunch of times on the show, and you
would probably know the answer to this.
Who is the information available to?
Legally or functionally?
Functionally.
You.
Anyone.
As long as you know the techniques and the access points and how to do this, it is painfully
possible, and frankly, there are people who are starting to sell this in a commercial
way.
You have these privacy invasion idiots on the internet that will sell you someone else's
cell phone bill.
So the point here is that the data is there.
The data is always being logged, and it's available.
It's not something that we're making up or that we're just saying because it's technically
possible.
It's actually happening.
It is actually happening.
I can tell you that on more than one occasion, I am aware of investigators who have found
abducted children and persons at risk by tracking a cell phone.
I personally found an abducted kid by seeing where a cell phone call was made from.
We weren't able to focus it in on the exact spot, but we ran the number.
We found that it was to a pizza place, called the pizza place.
We found out where the pizza was being delivered to, and we recovered an abducted kid.
Now frankly, could we have gotten in trouble for that?
I'm sure we could have.
It was an exception that we made because of the circumstances.
With 10 minutes of training, you could do that also.
Interesting.
Jim?
I have a question.
The victim that you're looking for for hope, that you're going to investigate all portions
of his or her life.
Will it suit you?
I'm thinking of it, but I want to ask, what's in it for the victim, aside from some misguided
self-aggrandizement?
That's a good question.
Educating the masses.
That's what's in it for the masses.
Sorry, I was speaking to a human and not the microphone.
Yeah, the microphone is the ultimate human.
I'm not skilled at this, believe it or not.
Yes, educating the masses.
You will allow us to give a remarkable demonstration to hope attendees regarding what's possible.
We could dummy up a report and show this anyway, but it's not going to be as believable
as if it's your record.
The reaction on the person's faces is probably the best part of it.
We'll give you a special hope gift basket of some sort.
Yes, exactly.
It'll be nice.
It won't be a nasty gift basket.
I tell you what, we will all be going out to an unnamed but really nice steakhouse afterwards.
We will take you with us.
You get a steak dinner.
That's good if you're not a veggie.
Can I get a vegan dinner?
How old are you?
20.
You don't have enough of a history, probably.
That's right.
Your history is still being made.
Now, by the way, we could show you how we could create a history for you.
That'd be nice.
Let's give him a history and a new identity and everything.
Give you someone else's history.
All right.
Here's a great story.
For a governor with a secret hotline to the Department of Homeland Security, the only
thing worse than hearing the phone ring is answering the call and hearing, are you satisfied
with your long-distance service provider?
Yes.
Every time that phone rings, it's telemarketers, grumbled Governor Ruth Ann Minner, whose secret
Homeland Defense hotline sits in her office ringing occasionally with offers of timeshare
condominiums and great deals on long distance.
I wonder about the security of that line, said Minner, noting that other governors have
reported similarly unwelcome intrusions on the hotline phones that are supposed to ring
only in the event of a national catastrophe.
Minner, who sits on a Homeland Security advisory panel of the National Governors Association,
mentioned the annoying phone calls last Thursday on a visit to Washington.
The problem seems to be the random number generators that telemarketers use.
So what's a governor to do?
According to Minner's office, and this is great, the Department of Homeland Security
placed all the hotline numbers on the federal government's do not call registry, which is
supposed to ward off telemarketers.
And as we proved on this show a number of months ago, you can get a list of all the
numbers that are on the do not call list, meaning you can get all the hotline numbers.
You just have to make a lot of calls to figure out which ones.
You won't know which of the numbers, of the millions of numbers is the hotline.
No, that's true.
That's true.
You're going to have to figure it out afterwards, but you'll have the number and you'll know
somewhere in this list of millions of numbers is the hotline number.
That's exactly what I was about to bring up, that we found that some months ago.
Why don't we go to like archive.org and find an old copy of that?
We know that this is recent.
We know what state she's governor of.
Well, maybe you do, I don't.
And-
Delaware.
Delaware?
Thank you.
And by process of elimination, we could find maybe just 100,000 numbers.
We look for the 5,000 from Delaware that are on there and we call everyone and say, this
is Homeland Security.
Is this the Governor Minner?
All right.
Well, you have something to do now for the next five years or something like that, but
now, Bernie, you brought to my attention a story that's pretty interesting about a bunch
of government workers that are, what were they, saying goodbye to their families today
and running off to be buried in a mountain or something?
Do you know anything about this?
Well, on Monday, yeah, there were several thousand, about 4,000 high-ranking federal
employees from various federal agencies.
Everything from the State Department to the Commodity Futures Trading Association.
And this shadow government of sort of standby operatives all went to the bunkers on Monday
in a big mock evacuation.
And I unfortunately didn't have time to do much radio monitoring that day, but I would
imagine that both the high-frequency, you know, shortwave backup communications channels
were in use.
This is similar to the DEFCON scenario used in the national security community, but these
are called cognons for continuity of government.
And the whole idea is to, you know, when the crap hits the fan here, another terrorist
attack or whatever, a major natural disaster or an actual war where this country was really
threatened by a major military force or a nuclear weapon or something.
A spontaneous revolution of the people, or something like that.
Or something like that, too.
Everybody sort of runs down their rabbit holes, like George Bush did about three years ago
when the crap hit the fan.
And they stay in these bunkers where they have lots of food.
It's kind of like Dr. Strangelove.
They all run down underground and keep things running.
And anybody who's above ground, since we don't really have a civil defense program in this
country anymore, is out of luck.
Well, just to diverge from this for a second, I don't know if anyone's aware of this.
I saw this on BBC the other day.
But do you know that there is a whole organization devoted to taking every single variation of
every single plant and stirring those seeds in a mountain, I think someplace in Antarctica,
where in case of some sort of global calamity, there will be some way of once again seeding
the earth?
Well, actually, it's an island.
It's where?
I heard it was an island near Norway.
Really?
Okay, maybe I got that wrong then.
I know there was snow involved.
It is in Norway.
All right.
Well, yeah.
As long as Norway doesn't get nuked, I guess we have a chance.
But okay, so Bernie, has anyone heard from these 4,000 government workers?
Have they come back?
We're not sure how long they were supposed to stay away.
It's kind of secret.
I mean, this is a whole FEMA and there's 50 different agencies that are involved in this.
But I don't know anybody who ran down the rabbit hole.
They're not telling me when they're coming back out of the hole.
Well, you might be down that rabbit hole.
Maybe you can listen to the radio from there.
If you are there, please let us know that you're okay.
We just want to know what's going on down there.
I've noticed the federal government running much better the last 48 hours.
Maybe we can keep them there.
Ah, yes.
I think they should just stay there.
Well, okay.
That's one opinion, certainly.
Now, Bernie, I noticed also you mentioned this, that there's a new number station or
number phone number or something.
You want to tell us something about that?
Another number number.
Another number number?
Well, this is like, as we've been discussing in the past few shows, these are sort of a
variation of the mysterious shortwave number stations that all the shortwave listeners
are familiar with, where it's just mysterious groups of typically five numbers read aloud,
usually in English, but often in foreign languages.
And these are typically read by covert government agencies around the world, not just American,
but other countries' government agencies, to get coded messages to their field operatives.
So it's a very secure method of getting short messages to people around the world.
In a shortwave, you'll pick up signals from all over the world, and the messages are encrypted
with a one-time pad, so there's no way anybody's going to crack them.
But somebody's come up with a variation on this, and they're posting certain phone numbers
on a Craigslist with a cryptic message saying, mine's Fraulein, hope to see you this summer,
please call.
And the latest one has a number, area code 617-848-1172.
And we called this on the air, was it last week, Emanuel?
Oh, this is a new one, this just happened yesterday, I think.
Right, but we called whoever is doing this, and we think it's the same person, because
it starts with the same eerie music, just like a lot of these number stations on shortwave
do, and then it just launches into these number groups.
And it starts with a preamble called group, and blah blah blah, with a three-digit number.
And the last preamble was group 617, and sure enough, the next phone number that came up
a week later is in the 617 area code.
Well actually, there was one last week that came up in 678, I think, down south.
Oh, is that what it was?
Yeah.
Okay, so it broke the chain.
The first two were clues as to where the next area code would be, weren't they?
Yeah, that was what the theory was, but that seemed to have been squashed when it showed
up in 678, assuming that that was a real one.
But I noticed some people have been saying that there's something different about this
one, too.
I haven't done any numerical analysis on this, but they have found that there's a different,
we can call it, say, a pattern, but the pattern that has been used before is not consistent
with this one.
Interesting.
So it could be somebody is spoofing the previous numbers, or maybe not, but this is a really
big mystery, and I hope that one of our listeners gets to the bottom of this.
Well, there's a whole discussion of this on one of our listeners' sites, homelandstupidity.us,
which has a great discussion going on about this.
But Mike, I believe you have something to say about this, don't you?
I might have something to say.
I think you should have something to say.
Want to share your bit of knowledge with the rest of the world on this?
Well, I've been telling the listeners the past couple weeks that I had planned to make
one of these stations, and now I've done so.
Oh.
You've made one of these.
Yeah.
It's not that hard.
It's not that hard.
So are you actually telling us now that this new number that just popped up yesterday that
everybody is freaking out over, that you know something about this?
I know a lot about it, yeah.
You know a lot about this.
All right.
Let me continue here.
So you have knowledge of this number, of its composition, of the numbers that are being
read that apparently don't seem to track with the other numbers that have been read in the
past.
So are you saying there's some kind of secret message in there?
I wouldn't want to go so far as to say that there is a secret message, but I would advise
our listeners to look for one.
I see.
And is this some kind of a promotion for HOPE that you've put together?
Look, these rumors, you're really going too far with these questions here.
All right.
Well, if you see a flashing George W. Bush on the HOPE logo later tonight on the main
2600 page, you can assume that there is a secret message on that particular phone number
that will get you free HOPE tickets if you are able to figure it out.
And I'm told also that the one clue that we can give out, that we're authorized to give
out for this particular number, is lose the five.
I don't know what that means, but that's what the clue is.
Lose the five.
It's a good clue.
It's a good clue.
But okay.
So just so that people aren't going nuts here who are tracking the first few of these, this
is something definitely not the same.
We can verify that.
Yeah.
So you constructed yourself to show how someone else could construct something like this and
fool people.
But I understand that it does sound a little bit different.
Yeah.
In order to make it, I took a recording of some of the old ones and chopped it up so
I could get the digits.
And the recording was a bit overmodulated, so this number might sound a bit overmodulated.
But you have to really pay attention.
Bernie, you sound like you're in shock.
I'm stunned that someone would do this.
Yeah.
Somebody that we know.
No less than one of our ten here.
Somebody that we thought we knew.
And look at how this happened.
Wow.
I'm sure he's on all kinds of lists now just for doing this.
Yeah, really.
The NSA is on their way up here now to query you.
Well, now I have their number too.
What's this phone number again that people should call to get the secret message and
maybe decode it and maybe win a couple of pair of hope tickets if they drop the five
or lose the five or whatever the number was?
617-848-1172.
All right.
Good luck.
Good luck with that.
I have a feeling George W. Bush is going to be flashing for a long time on the front page.
Okay.
Our phone number here at the station is 212-209-2900.
A couple of special guests with us.
We've got Mark Hertzler from Rainbow Broadband providing bandwidth for the HOPE Conference
this summer.
And we have Steve Rambam who is going to be doing some amazing things at the HOPE Conference
this summer as well.
Running a sub-conference, the Politics Seminars, and also looking for a victim.
You could be a victim.
You could be a victim.
You could be a victim.
You could be a victim.
You could be a victim.
You could be a victim.
You could be a victim.
You could be a victim.
You could be a victim.
You could be a victim.
You could be a victim.
212-209-2900 is our phone number.
Shall we see who's out there?
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Oh, not anymore.
Let's go over here.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Speak up, please.
Hello?
Yes, go ahead.
You're on.
Oh, hey.
What's going on, guys?
Are you guys still interested in perhaps learning about voting machines, the electronic voting
machines?
Oh, absolutely.
What can you tell us?
Well, I served as an Election Day official.
The machines were the D-Bold.
They use a 128-megabyte PCN-CIA memory card in the side.
I guess every time a person votes, it has a paper trail, and it stores the vote to the
memory card as well.
So it actually makes a piece of paper with the vote on it.
Right.
Correct.
So basically what the government has purchased in this instance is very, very expensive pencils.
Exactly.
Okay.
Did you see any particular way that this machine could be compromised in your dealings with
it?
Well, there's two doors on the side of the machine.
Two little doors.
You need a key.
One door was to close and lock the bay for the memory card.
The other door, we were told not to open and touch, but there was a symbol of a telephone
on there.
So I didn't want to go against anybody's rules and regulations.
So I didn't mess with it, but it's possible.
Well, I don't suppose they let you bring one of those home, did they?
Well, I didn't get a chance to bring one home, no.
But I have an Election Day official's user manual for the machine and a DVD.
I'd be interested in sending that to you guys, if you want to take a look at it.
Yeah, that would be great.
That would be awesome.
Just send it to the address I'm sure you guys will give out, right?
Yeah.
Well, you can send it directly to 2600.
I can give you that address right now if you want.
Okay, yeah.
It's 2600 P.O. Box 752, and that's in Middle Island, New York.
Zip code 11953.
Awesome.
All right, and yeah, we'd love to see that.
Okay, very cool, guys.
I'll send it on the way.
Okay, thanks for calling.
Take care, guys.
Bye.
All right.
It's amazing what people can figure out if they just pay attention.
And that's what our listeners are doing.
212-209-2900.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Greetings from southern Virginia.
Got a question for the gentleman with the ISP.
Go ahead.
Just out of curiosity, being an RF kind of guy,
what sort of frequencies are you talking about that you deliver your material on?
Are you using 2.4 gigs or the 900 megahertz bands?
That's a good question.
Thanks for asking.
We're in the 5.3 to 5.8 gigahertz ISM band,
which is the industrial, scientific, and medical bands
that were carved out by the government about four years ago.
It's unlicensed.
It's covered under Part 15 of the SEC Code,
which means that because it's unlicensed,
it doesn't have the typical protections of it's your dedicated link
or it's your dedicated urban environment that you have coverage of,
but it's self-defeating.
We all play well together because we don't want to, you know,
knock each other out.
One quick question.
What sort of antennas?
There are so many manufacturers out there now.
I probably shouldn't be speaking about ours specifically,
but the cost of equipment, there's NEC, there's RAD, there's Ceragon.
Did he mean what type of antenna, as in a dish or something?
Yeah, like a dish, Yagi, quad.
Oh, yeah.
I'm sorry.
Typically, we're shooting an 18 megahertz on a one-foot dish.
Oh, very cool.
Hey, sounds like a nifty system there.
Good luck with it.
Thanks very much.
Thanks for calling.
And you anticipate more of a nationwide rollout for this kind of thing?
Well, we're doing it a little differently this time.
You know, there was this big diaspora in telecom the last time.
We're hoping that we've learned a few things from the past.
We're growing it organically as we speak.
We're trying to do a proper job here in the New York City area.
There's always forces that want you to grow bigger and faster,
and we might be ready to go for the right situation,
but we just want to do it right.
We really want to serve as a small-medium business sector
that everybody has always talked about doing
and has then kind of forgotten and gone on to the higher-hanging fruit.
We're all about big jobs, and we'll definitely talk to Steve,
but we really would like to get a reputation for making people happy with the service.
Are you able to reach the outer boroughs of Brooklyn and Queens?
We can, actually.
We're getting quite a bit of activity,
and we're starting to get over into Brooklyn and Queens
and obviously northern New Jersey.
One of the benefits of the wireless is that we can go across natural borders,
and we'll be taking very shortly, probably by the fourth quarter of this year,
a redundant feed, a gig feed across Ireland to northern New Jersey
to back up all of our Manhattan network, which is a nice piece of redundancy.
Cool. All right, Mark Hertzler from Rainbow Broadband.
Thanks so much for coming by.
Give us contact info again for people who might be interested.
Well, Manuel, I really appreciate coming on.
We're very excited about providing service for Hope, supporting Hope in any way possible.
Our website is rainbowbroadband.com,
and you can call us here in New York at 212-201-1240, 1240.
And website?
www.rainbowbroadband.com.
Okay, great.
Now, Steve, I want to thank you also for coming by, as you have many times in the past.
My pleasure.
And again, the info for the Paltech seminars can be found where?
At paltechseminars.com, P-A-L-L-T-E-C-H seminars.com.
And also, I believe there's a link from the hope.net site.
Yes, there is.
And you can look forward to all sorts of interesting talks,
and of course the big talk with you and all the panelists from the seminar
appearing at the main Hope conference.
And again, if you're interested in being a victim,
somebody that we find out all sorts of information about
and reveal that information to a fascinated audience,
what's the method for somebody volunteering for that?
They can either call the telephone number on our investigative agency website,
which is pallorium.com, P-A-L-L-O-R-I-U-M.com,
or they can send a direct email to me, rambam, R-A-M-B-A-M, at pallorium.com.
Cool. Thanks, Steve, for coming by.
And again, a couple of announcements.
The Hope Ride Board is now up and running.
If you are interested in sharing a car with somebody
or getting a ride from a particular part of the continent,
just go to our website, www.hope.net.
You should see a link there.
Actually, there's a link from the main 2600 page to the Hope Ride Board.
It's actually part of our wiki,
and you can just post all sorts of information.
So hopefully you can get a ride that way if that's what you're looking for.
Also, if you're interested in being a vendor at 2600,
the vendor tables have now opened up.
You can mail vendors at 2600.com if you need more information about that.
And we'll be having a whole lot of different people, different organizations,
peddling their wares in various ways.
And again, of course, the Hope Network will be bigger than ever before,
and we'll have more speakers than ever before.
It's going to be a whole lot of fun.
Remember to register.
Don't forget, because prices go up after pre-registration.
www.hope.net, all the information is there.
That's it for us this week.
We're pretty much out of time.
So we'll be back again next week with all sorts of other updates
on what's been going on in the world.
Whatever it may be, however bad it might get, try to remain positive.
Good night.
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