Again, thank you and good night and I understand today is Bob Dylan's birthday so we want to say happy birthday to Bob Dylan and if you've been listening to the news tonight, you've heard Bob Dylan during the breaks so happy birthday Bob and let's keep on going. 212-209-2950. Thank you very much and good night.
And right now the programs will be changing. It's 7 o'clock. You're tuned to WBAI in New York. It's time once again for Off The Hook.
We couldn't get much worse. But if they could, they would. Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan, for the best, expect the worst. I hope that's understood. Bob Dylan, no!
And very good evening to everybody. The program is Off The Hook. Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this fine Wednesday evening.
Joined tonight by the likes of Jim. Buenas noches. Mike. Hi. Redbird. Good evening. Arseny, hurry up, get to your chair. Hi. And Redhack, is that you? Yeah, I'm back. Good to see you again. And that's Walter all the way over there. Hey, hi.
Bernie S joins us from down in Philadelphia. Greetings from Philadelphia. We're back from, I'm back from various places. I'm back from Cuba and I'm back from Dayton. Mike is only back from Cuba. That's true. Bernie and Redbird and Walter are all back from Dayton.
And we're all back on the air today after not being on last week and I don't believe we're going to be on next week because the fundraiser continues on without us. That's how it works around here. The station continues with many, many programs and there'll be a special program on next week. We'll be back in two weeks after a successful fun drive, I hope.
So I want to thank everybody who called in to support last time. A lot of frustration I know from people that weren't able to get through in time. This is your chance. This is your chance. I know we only had two volunteers in the room last week or two weeks ago rather. We have a lot more now. So the phone calls can start at any time. Phone number 212-209-2950. We'll be running down the premiums as soon as somebody gets me the list of premiums that is not in my head right now.
Okay, Mike has left the room. I wanted to talk to Mike about Cuba but I guess we won't be able to do that. Let's talk about Dayton instead. Bernie, you just got back the other day as well as me, as well as Redbird, as well as Walter. Bernie?
Yeah, it was quite a run here. Still recovering from four days of no sleep and rubbing shoulders with tens of thousands of other radio enthusiasts and electronic hobbyists and phone freaks and hackers in an outdoor environment which is quite unique.
Yeah, and it happens every year too. But it's always a fun time, always great to meet people out there, listeners to the show who come by, see the 2600 van which somehow manages to make it all the way out there every year and back. And I've got to tell you, it's an adventure both directions each time. Any particular conversations that you remember, people you met this time?
There was a lot of interesting people. I ran into a lot of phone freaks or former phone freaks who saw my 2600 cab and recognized the frequency and walked up to me and said, is that what I think it means? And it was just interesting running into these people who'd experimented with the public switch phone network over the years and talking with them about their exploits. But I had a good conversation with a Pennsylvania State Police officer.
A friendly conversation this time, right?
Very friendly. He's not really a police officer, but he was an officer of the state police and he's really in charge of the radio communication systems. And he really filled me in on a lot of interesting information about the system which is probably not the new system here which the state of Pennsylvania is spending billions of dollars on. It's called OpenSky and it's completely unmonitorable by the public.
OpenSky. Okay, this sounds...
It's called OpenSky.
It sounds like one of those science fiction evil things.
It's called OpenSky, but the purpose is to close things off.
Pretty much.
Okay.
That's a whirly enough for me. That works.
I just wanted to make sure I understood.
So tell us about OpenSky, Bernie.
Well, OpenSky is an IP-based system, but it's closed and encrypted and it's designed to allow... it's theoretically designed to allow state police officers and several other Pennsylvania government agencies to communicate voice data and images from 95% of the geography of Pennsylvania.
Well, those other 5% have no communications at all, which is really going to be a problem.
Pennsylvania is rather mountainous and there's just no way that they're going to do this.
According to this radio engineer I spoke with, there's just no way this thing is going to work very well.
So a few billion dollars down the drain.
And my concern is any system like this, which the public cannot monitor, is not a good thing.
When the public pays the salaries of law enforcement officers and pays for all the equipment that they're using, including the radio communications system, the least we can do, we should be able to do, is be able to monitor our employees in that respect.
And OpenSky prohibits that.
Fascinating.
And this cop was telling you all about this.
Yeah.
Well, again, he wasn't a cop.
He was a radio engineer working for the Pennsylvania State Police.
Oh, I see.
It was a good 20-some minute conversation.
You just run into people from all kinds of interesting walks of life at the Dayton-Hampvention.
And it's a pretty good gathering of geeks, I must say.
Along the lines of the radio thing that you just mentioned, I recall a conversation that you had maybe a couple months ago down in Philadelphia with a police officer where they were using one of the new digital systems instead of the classical analog FM radio system that they usually use.
And one of his comments I specifically remember was that when I actually need to get in contact with the precinct, he uses his cell phone.
Yeah.
He literally said the system sucks.
And that's a quote from him.
This is a Philadelphia city police officer.
But they can't depend on these digital radio systems that are being marketed heavily by companies like Motorola and Macon.
They cost billions of dollars and don't work very well, but apparently they have an in, a political in, with the state and local governments to purchase these systems.
And it's not good radio.
It's not good engineering, and it's certainly not good for the public.
No, certainly not.
You mentioned a good gathering point of geeks, and we're going to have another one of those.
It won't be ham radio people, though.
It'll be computer hackers.
Actually, it will be ham radio people as well.
There's a lot of hams, yeah.
Yeah, a lot of people come to the HOPE conferences, and of course that's coming up in July.
And stay tuned for your opportunity to pledge for tickets to the HOPE conference coming up in just a few minutes.
That's something that we're very heavily organized right now in the planning stages, and we'll be bringing you all kinds of information on that.
So if you think Dayton was fun, just wait until New York City in July.
Even if you don't think Dayton was fun.
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
You've never been to Dayton, have you, Mike?
No.
But you have been to Cuba.
Okay, you're back.
Now we can talk about Cuba.
Yes.
So we're back.
I'm back from Cuba and from the hallway.
Okay, good.
Well, which was more exciting?
Well, you know, they each have their own distinct advantages.
Right.
Well, the thing is Cuba was a forbidden country for many Americans.
Journalists are one of the kinds of people who can get through for various reasons.
I guess the United States hasn't quite gotten around to banning journalists from traveling to various places.
Relatives of people who live in Cuba are another category.
Although even that they're making harder and harder.
That's true.
It used to be that relatives of people living there could actually bring a guest.
who was telling me how great Cuba was when I told him that you were there because he'd gone with his girlfriend who had relatives there.
But George Bush has changed it now so that even they can't bring guests with them anymore.
So now she can go, but he can't go with her anymore.
Incredible.
So he was happy that he went when he did.
Well, you know, I wish I could tell people, go.
It's really great.
But if you go, you're going to be breaking the law.
And you could be subject to huge fines, prison time, all sorts of things just for going to a country that's 80 miles away from our own.
But at the same time, I mean, the reason that it's interesting and kind of eclectic is because we have this kind of ban and they can't, you know, practice the same kind of commerce that they could if we didn't have embargo on them.
I mean, you were saying how, you know, it's interesting to see all these old cars and things.
But if we didn't have an embargo on them, they probably would have the same cars.
You know, I would say, yeah, it's nice to see the old cars and to see how people are able to get by on almost nothing.
But I would say I'd be willing to give up that little bit of entertainment for myself to give the Cuban people a better life.
I think, you know, it's really nice to see the old cars.
It really is.
And there are more old cars there than I think in the whole rest of the world combined.
And I'm talking about cars from the 40s and 50s that are still running or have diesel engines put into them.
But really, the people are suffering as a result of the embargo.
There's no question about that.
But, guys, do you have any questions for us?
Because we went there and we have all sorts of facts and figures and information.
Jim?
Did you ever get the receiver for shortwave to work?
The receiver for shortwave?
You're trying to pick up the show.
We couldn't pick up WBCQ.
We did pick up a couple of other shortwave stations, mostly in Spanish.
I don't think we were able to get Radio Marti.
We tried.
We went to all the frequencies where it should have been coming in and didn't hear it there.
We went to medium wave, checked all the frequencies on medium wave at different times of the day and night, and they just were not there.
So you didn't get any definitely American stations on shortwave?
Oh, no, no, no.
We got on shortwave, no.
On FM, though, believe it or not, on FM, you can pick up 92.7 in Havana.
It is one of the worst stations I think I've ever heard.
92.7 is—
It's only you say it's the worst because you don't listen to that station.
You can hear an equally bad station, I'm sure, in New York City.
Well, that's true.
Really, how bad can you get?
Where is it out of, Havana?
It's just Britney Spears did this today, and here is like the over-compressed hit of the hour repeated five times.
It's from Key West, from Key West, and it just comes in.
There was one time we took a taxi ride from one part of town to another, and I think the taxi driver figured we were American.
This is what we wanted to hear, so he cranked it up really loudly, and I've got to say that was the worst taxi ride ever.
I much preferred the one in the 1950 car.
It had no dashboard and no shocks or anything like that, and it was just something alien.
It really was.
Now, I know that in Cuba there are hotels and restaurants and places like that where the citizens aren't allowed to go because that's where the foreigners do visit.
Did you get to go to anywhere where citizens were allowed to go?
Well, we went to a baseball game.
That's certainly—citizens were allowed to go there.
That was something else.
Now, I know people say citizens aren't allowed to go places.
I never saw citizens being blocked.
They're blocked economically.
They don't have the means to pay for certain things.
For instance, the internet cafe we went to, I doubt anybody could afford what we had to pay to get in there.
But, Mike, you found an internet cafe of sorts where native Cubans were going, correct?
Yeah.
I found where you could get email but no internet, and I gave the email address on the air last time, but don't email me there.
You can't get at it anymore.
Well, they can get at it.
You can't get at it.
They can get at it.
They could be reading all my mail.
Who?
The Cubans?
I don't know anyone.
All the Cubans are gathered around reading your mail?
I posted a photograph of the piece of paper with my password on it to the internet, so someone else can go read my mail if they happen to be in Cuba.
If you can figure out how to get—you can't SSH in or Telnet in or anything like that.
You can't go in.
Do you remember the domain?
It's web.correodecuba, C-O-R-R-E-O-D-E-C-U-B-A dot C-U.
All right.
And you were what at that?
MLC?
MLC 2006.
2006.
I had a whole extended conversation with the guy about what my username should be, and
I did not understand any of that conversation.
Okay, but the Cubans were able to go into this—in fact, we had a long line.
There was a wait of about 20 minutes to get in, and all these people were waiting.
Now, you say it's only email, but it was email that could get anywhere in the world immediately.
You emailed the off-the-hook list, and it got through right away.
Yes.
So, yeah, they can't go onto Amazon.com or something like that.
That's true.
But can't they do that just in another room in the same building?
Well, there's different kinds of accounts.
It's the same terminals, but the terminals know whether or not you're allowed to go on
the Internet or just to email.
And, see, the problem is that you and I look so sort of obviously non-Cuban that anything
that Cubans weren't allowed to do, no one gave us any trouble.
So I'm not sure, but I'm told that Cubans, if they try and go there and access the Internet,
will be given trouble.
Okay.
If you look like you might be Cuban and you go down there, you might have a different experience.
So that's something I'd certainly like to know more about.
Emanuel?
Yes, go ahead, Bernie.
You mentioned that you tried to pick up Radio Marquis.
Right.
I don't know if all of our listeners are aware that the United States government has an agency
called the OCB, the Office of Cuba Broadcasting.
And you can look them up online.
And their sole purpose is to broadcast propaganda.
And propaganda can be good or bad, depending on which side of the fence you're on.
But propaganda, propagating ideas, good or bad, to the Cuban people.
And it's an interesting Cold War kind of scenario, where you have the United States government
broadcasting radio signals on a medium wave band, which we know is an AM broadcasting band,
to the Cuban people.
And the Cuban government is trying to prevent its citizens from hearing this,
what they consider harmful propaganda.
And they'll broadcast jamming signals to prevent them from receiving it.
This was going on when I was in South Florida a couple years ago in the Keys.
I was listening to Radio Marquis there, which is where it originates from,
only 80 miles away from Cuba.
And I could also, what's known as the bubble jammer.
It's a signal that sort of sounds like sort of bubbles popping up from underwater,
or emanating from Cuba, trying to jam those signals.
So it's really interesting.
This Cold War radio stuff is still going on in this world.
And you can find out more about that by looking up clandestineradio.com.
It's a really great website about these stations and all the radio propaganda that's going on.
One thing that we did try to do and notice, we didn't hear any jamming,
such as you described, or the radio station itself.
But we did try to access the website that had frequency information for Radio Marquis.
That was blocked.
And at first we thought maybe it was just a network issue,
but we tried it again later and the next day, and it just never went through.
Now, Mike, we did some experiments, and we were able to find out just how exactly it was blocked.
Yeah, it seems that they have some sort of switch that has some very limited IP filtering capabilities.
And they seem to have plugged in Fidel's least favorite few websites that cannot be visited from Cuba.
And it's very limited, the blocking.
Radio Marquis was blocked, but El Nuevo Herald in Miami,
which is rumored to be the least favorite newspaper of the regime, you could get to no problem.
So it was very limited.
We didn't find any other websites that were blocked, although I'm sure there are some.
But you can't go to the website, which is martinoticias.com, or something or other, from Cuba.
We, of course, were able to reach 2,600, no problem, CNN, BBC.
You know, we didn't try porn.
We didn't try that.
In an internet cafe, I guess that might not be the best thing to do.
But I'm sure other things were blocked.
I'm sure other things were.
I'm sure, but it seemed to be pretty limited.
Not that any amount is okay.
Now, we were able to actually get to the router or something, right?
It asked us for a password.
If we were able to get into there, I think we could have unblocked it, right?
Yeah, there was some weird sort of private IP address, 10.something or other, that if you went to,
if you were trace routing to Martini Noticias, that was sort of where it stopped.
And that thing was also running some sort of embedded web server or whatever,
where you could be presented with a login screen.
I don't remember the name of the device, but it said it on the screen at the time.
Okay, I think we got some pictures of it.
You guys could web surf, right?
And you say that the Cubans could only get e-mail?
Well, the Cubans had basically a very limited screen.
They couldn't connect to anything else.
What was it called?
Squirrel mail they had access to?
Yeah, it was just a web e-mail thing.
So they couldn't connect to anything else from where they were sitting.
My point to ask, and I'm not sure if it's still pertinent because I'm not familiar with squirrel mail,
is what if you had tried a web-to-e-mail interface of which some still exist?
In other words, you don't actually access the website, but you do have a web reader on your computer.
You access, you send e-mail with the URL of what you want to see.
They send back a page, and you go from there.
It's slow, it's cumbersome, but it gets around a number of interesting filters.
I think it would work, but, again, it's not something I had the opportunity to try.
We'll have to bring you next time, Jim.
Sorry.
I'm sure you'd cause all kinds of mayhem.
Yeah, I know.
I'd end up in a Cuban prison.
Or an American prison, more likely.
Well, anyway.
Well, it's a probation violation.
We'll see.
We'll see.
We have to get some phone calls coming in.
We want to talk more about Cuba and talk about various other things that we did.
But our phone number is 212-209-2950.
You don't have to hold it up.
I do know the phone number.
Here's what we have.
Here's what we have to offer tonight.
And it's the same thing we offered two weeks ago, so if you already know that, you can start dialing now.
We've got all these people emailing us and emailing us saying, can I still get it?
And right now is their opportunity.
Yeah, this hour is when you can get it.
You can't get it other times.
You can always support the radio station.
And if you're listening to this at a different time and you're kicking yourself because it's not between 7 and 8 p.m. Eastern time on May 24, 2006,
please call 212-209-2950 and support the station and get something else instead.
But we only offer this during the radio shows.
For $25, you'll get an off-the-hook T-shirt.
And you can only get those.
You can only get those by pledging during off-the-hook.
You can't buy them in stores.
You can buy them from the people who pledge, I guess, or steal it from them.
I saw a bunch of those in Dayton, which means we had a lot of supporters out there, which is always great.
Or a lot of thieves.
Didn't see any in Cuba.
But I guess that's just the way it goes.
For $50, you'll get the brand new, hot off the press, whatever it is that they use to make them,
the 2600 mousepads.
They are very cool.
They're circular.
If you can wrap your head around such a thing, a circular mousepad as opposed to a rectangular or square mousepad works in much the same way.
But it might confuse some of you.
For a pledge of $50, you'll get that plus the off-the-hook T-shirt.
So you'll get two really cool things.
The mousepad, by the way, has the same logo that the sweatshirt has.
That's right.
That's right.
Some people have been taping it to their shirts, making like a 3D sweatshirt or something.
It's kind of large.
I have an announcement from the tally room.
Okay.
We're only halfway through the premiums.
But go ahead and make an announcement.
The announcement is that there's only a couple of volunteers in there.
So if you call and no one picks up, please call again.
I thought there were five.
Did we chase them away somehow?
Apparently, they run away at the end of the news sometimes.
Maybe it's because we were talking about Cuba.
No one wants to be here when the law comes in and clamps down on us going to places that we're not supposed to go.
Okay.
$75.
You'll get a 2600 sweatshirt in addition to the off-the-hook T-shirt and the 2600 mousepad.
Yes, you get all three for $75.
That's a good deal.
It's a damn good deal.
Is this correct?
I think there's a better deal coming up.
These deals are too good to be true.
I'm just worried about the mousepad.
If you don't have a computer, it's still a useful item.
It works well as a coaster.
Yeah, if you're some kind of pig that drinks out of like six-gallon jugs.
You can put two glasses on it.
Okay.
I guess you could.
Send me a picture of that.
I'd like to see how that looks.
You're sitting in your backyard with a little table between you and whoever you're there with.
You each put your beer or your soda on the coaster.
It's good for soup.
How about that?
A big bowl of soup.
It would be good for a big bowl of soup.
Don't put the soup on the mousepad.
No, no.
Put the soup in a bowl and then put the bowl in the mousepad.
Obviously.
All right.
We've got 2,600 placemats.
That's what we need.
That's good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's a real demand for those.
Okay.
Now the final pledge category.
Hopefully, we'll get the phones ringing.
212-209-2950.
For $125, you'll get all of the above, the off-the-hook t-shirt, the 2,600 mousepad,
the 2,600 sweatshirt, and two tickets to the Hope Conference.
Now, this is incredible because tickets to the Hope Conference cost $60 each.
All right.
That's now.
At the door, it's going to be more expensive.
So two of them would be?
Two of them right now would be $120.
But in addition, for another $5, you're getting a sweatshirt, a mousepad, and an off-the-hook t-shirt.
So even if you hate the radio station, it's a good deal.
You'll save money.
It's almost like you're stealing money from 2,600.
But we'd rather people call in who like the radio station and are willing to pledge more money
for something that they could get for cheaper rather than people who are looking to save a buck
and don't like the radio station.
If you don't like to save money but you do like the radio station, you could always give more money.
It's perfectly okay.
Or you could call in and say you don't want the premiums.
In the end, it doesn't matter if you like or hate the radio station.
We'll accept your call.
212-209-2950.
And we'll accept Visa, MasterCard, American Express.
Not Discover, right?
Not Discover.
That's too bad.
No diners.
I see two lights on, but I don't know if that means phones are ringing or if people are just having conversations.
And we should say that if you don't have any of these credit cards, we'll send you a bill.
You can send us a check.
It's no problem.
Yeah, we do that.
We do that all the time.
And we send people around too to collect sometimes when it gets out of hand.
Okay, so we have $175 so far according to that little tally thing up there.
I see we have, I think those are four phone calls.
I hope that's four phone calls.
But there's only one way to find out.
If we get a fifth phone call, I'll see another light light up, and then I'll know that that's how the light pattern works.
Because they're spread out all over the place.
I see line 1, line 12, and line 13 lit.
So there's a whole lot of other lines, as you can see in there.
And I see line 2 ringing.
So if we see someone picked up line 3, it looks like, or maybe line 3 was ringing as well.
Okay, 212, 209, 2950.
Help us figure out how the lights work by making as many phone calls come in as possible.
Again, $25 off-the-hook t-shirt, $50 2600 mouse pad plus the off-the-hook t-shirt,
$75 2600 sweatshirt plus the 2600 mouse pad plus the off-the-hook t-shirt.
And for $125, two tickets to the biggest hacker event of the year, the coolest hacker event of the year,
the Hope Conference taking place in July in New York City,
plus the 2600 sweatshirt, plus the 2600 mouse pad, plus the off-the-hook t-shirt.
That's all for a pledge of $125.
Only available tonight, only available for the next 35 minutes or so.
212, 209, 2950.
Doesn't matter where you are.
Call us from any part of the world.
And if you don't get through, try again because we have a limited number of volunteers but an infinite number of fans.
That's right, that's right.
I do see a lot of phones ringing.
I see a lot of phones ringing.
I don't know if we have enough people to answer.
You want to just check?
All right.
Come back if it's under control, Red Hacked.
Yes.
Wow, look at all those lights.
It's nice.
Let's just watch the lights for a second.
It's really kind of cool.
It's like Christmas.
Yeah, it is.
212, 209, 2950.
And again, these are donations from 2600 that we're more than happy to give to the radio station in exchange for this place existing.
212, 209, 2950 is our phone number.
And we can hear the phone ringing if we press that button.
Look at that.
Wow.
Okay, that's cool.
But if the phone's ringing, that means someone's not answering it, right?
Okay.
I guess it doesn't mean that.
All right.
Well, now it's not ringing anymore.
So we can hear if other phones.
Can we hear people talking down there too?
No.
Like what if somebody cusses really loudly because all the phones are ringing?
It's safe.
It's safe.
All right.
If all the phones are ringing, they would cuss loudly enough for us to hear them.
Uh-huh.
Think of it.
I'm concerned about this.
That's true.
212, 209, 2950.
Again, whatever pledge level you can afford.
We'll take any amount.
These are suggested amounts.
$25 for the off-the-hook t-shirt and $50 for the mouse pad, $75 for the sweatshirt, $125 for two Hope tickets.
And of course, every level gets all the premium levels below it, which is very unusual.
Yeah.
Most people don't do that, and we do.
You know, any amount is okay if you wish to pledge $58, $580, any amount of money.
If you pledge $580, you'll get everything on the list twice over, I think, at least, maybe even three times over.
I don't know.
Is that how it works?
Well, it should.
Okay.
I mean, you just have to call back and do it again, $125 three times.
And yeah.
Yeah.
You have a family of six.
That's the way to go if everybody wants to go to the Hope Conference.
Now, we have to make up for the last time because, well, we were in Cuba, okay?
So, I guess we couldn't see what was going on.
But I know there were only two volunteers, and we didn't break $2,000 for the hour.
And we usually do.
We usually hit $2,600, in fact.
So, we need to catch up to that point.
So, this is our pride on the line here.
And we got so many emails.
So many emails.
Even more than usual.
People blubbering and crying that they weren't able to pledge in time.
Can we please?
Please.
We want to.
We definitely want to.
But we only offer these things during the show.
That's how it works.
Oh, look at that.
That's a phone call.
Oh, my gosh.
I don't usually like to bring that up because it's just so distracting.
And people call in just to hear the thing ring on the air, and then they hang up.
You saw that I was startled.
I thought it was in my head.
212-209-2950.
We have four calls on the line.
Make that five calls on the line.
And each bell sounds a little bit different.
Your bell will be a completely unique sound.
Call today.
Startle.
I'm sorry.
Bernie?
Did you tune those bells?
Calibrate them to different audio frequencies so you can tell them apart?
Well, you know, those bells.
Are they real bells?
Those are real phones.
Those are real bells on the phones.
Those are the kinds of phones you would find in a pile of phones at Dayton that somebody's
trying to get rid of.
I think that's where WBA got the phones, actually.
That's why they're all a little differently.
They were dinged up in different ways.
You know, I shouldn't have brought the phones to Dayton.
I should have just brought them here.
I don't understand how this works.
Where's the microphone for this?
I think, actually, it's in that little cubicle area.
I don't know how it works.
It's not in the same room as the volunteers.
It's not with the volunteers.
There's two sets of phones.
One that rings.
One that people pick up.
Oh, OK.
But they're bells.
You see, this is the cool thing.
These are not the electronic-type phones of today.
These are the old-fashioned phones of yesterday.
And in much the same way, we're that link to the past.
WBAI has a dedicated room for phones so that you can hear them over the...
This is very strange.
Yeah, it is pretty strange.
It's a closet.
But right now, we have three ringing phones.
You might be able to tell.
Oh, you can tell from there.
See, on another radio station, we would be lying.
This would be a sound effect.
But it's not.
But it's not AI.
It's the truth.
That's pretty cool.
Now, I hope all you people calling in are really calling in
and not just calling to hear the phone ring.
I know that's fun.
This is a great toy.
The Chaos Computer Club has blinking lights.
We have ringing phones.
We certainly do.
1-2-2-0-9-2-9-5-0 is an appeal for more people to come down to the...
Well, I can't leave the microphone.
These two, you want these two?
Okay, you two have been drafted.
I'm going to have to carry on.
I'm going to Canada.
Bernie, can you get down there too?
I wish I could run up there that fast.
They're pointing to the phone.
They want you down there.
So please hang up, take an Amtrak up, and we'll see you there.
Okay.
Jim, what?
You're too good to walk down to the hall?
Oh, I figure I have to balance the liberal bias of the show.
Yeah, because I'm really going to go into a political rant now that everybody's out of the room.
Oh, you know, Cuba.
2-1-2-2-0-9-2-9-5-0.
Boy, you know, this is the emptiest the studio has been since the show began, I guess.
Wow.
Listen to that.
Listen to the sound of nobody.
Well, there's somebody.
All right.
So we have...
We're doing pretty good, I guess.
We have eight calls on the line.
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Right, Bernie?
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And what else is up?
What else is up?
What else is up?
Well, there's a bit of a scandal that has been taking place since Mike and I.
There's a number of them.
Which one?
Mike and I went to Cuba.
We actually read about this in the Cuban newspapers about the whole NSA thing going on.
Bernie, maybe you'd be best to sum it up and tell us just what in God's name is going on with this spying on Americans business.
Well, the latest development, it's pretty interesting, is that the Federal Communications Commission,
the agency that was created to guard the people's interests,
is kind of burying its head in the sand during what could well be the most massive abuse of consumer privacy in American history.
I was paraphrasing from the ACLU's website, which pretty much hit the nail on the head with that.
The FCC has just refused to investigate these illegal actions.
And by illegal actions, I'm talking about phone companies just simply handing over your telephone records to the government without any court order whatsoever.
It's your private information without a court order being secretly given to the government.
But that's what's going on.
Bernie, how did word of this get out in the first place?
It was a USA Today article?
Believe it or not, the USA Today, which many people don't consider to be a reputable newspaper, but does get some scoops from time to time,
did a lot of work and homework on this, and they beat the other papers to the punch.
And this is not being disputed by some of these telephone carriers.
Others, I believe Verizon, or is it Bell South?
Verizon denies lending the records?
Yeah, Verizon is denying that, and is demanding, or I believe one of the carriers is demanding retraction from USA Today,
saying we did not do this, or we did not violate the law, which is a fine line,
because the government tells them they didn't violate the law.
Then as far as the telephone companies are concerned, they didn't violate the law.
Well, the government's violating the law itself.
And there's already bodies of federal law on the books that says this cannot be done without a court order,
yet the government's doing it.
And people may wonder, what's the big deal if your phone bill is in some government computer?
I've heard people say that.
What is the big deal?
I'll tell you why.
You may think you have nothing to hide, but here's what happens.
Many people are familiar with the concept of six degrees of Kevin Bacon or whatever.
You can basically trace out the pathways between the social networks between people within maybe six hops to find anybody to anybody.
And when you accumulate a massive database of telephone call records, who called whom, what numbers when, how often, that sort of thing,
you can very quickly, with right computer software, which the NSA has, build diagrams of social networks,
who is talking to whom in this country and how often.
And there's pattern analysis.
This whole science is called traffic analysis.
Without even knowing the contents of the communications, which they're probably also intercepting as well,
they can divine certain types of behavior patterns and just go on massive fishing expeditions and further eavesdrop on people.
So what they're doing is they're looking at patterns of communication and saying,
hmm, this is a suspicious pattern.
This person calls this same person right after something happens, whatever.
And then they actually eavesdrop on those calls.
So it's not a good thing.
It's illegal.
And the FCC has refused to do any kind of investigating or saying that it would violate national security,
which is not what the FCC was supposed to do.
They're supposed to investigate things and take the Americans' interests as their highest value.
And that's what's going on.
But, Bernie, now this is something, just to be clear,
this is something that phone companies have always had the ability to do with their own customers, correct?
Sure.
Phone companies have access to this data.
Obviously, they're the ones that are collecting the data.
And there's nothing preventing them legally from sifting through it.
But they're just turning it over wholesale, tens of millions,
maybe hundreds of millions of customers' call records to the United States intelligence community,
which is a—all this stuff rings very familiar to me.
I remember being astonished as a teenager reading in a book written by James Bamford called—
The Puzzle Palace?
The Puzzle Palace.
I think it was his first book.
It was very good.
I highly recommend it.
How Eastern Bloc telephone companies had designed their telephone systems
with surveillance as being a key component of those systems.
And now, that's what's going on in this country.
And people aren't really wise to this.
Most people are not wise that surveillance is sort of a primary function of our telephone systems now,
with acts like CALEA, the Communications Act for Law Enforcement Assistance, these NSA programs.
All this stuff is pretty scary, and more than Orwell.
George Orwell could not have imagined this type of surveillance of a people.
It's really, really scary.
Bernie, you gave a very detailed explanation, and I want to simplify it for people
who may have thought that yours is a bit unlikely, and there are probably a lot of people who would.
Imagine Jim McGreevy, the former governor of New Jersey,
who resigned essentially because he put his boyfriend on the payroll.
But instead of coming out of the closet, imagine if he had decided to be celibate and stay with his wife,
but he kept calling the gay boys in bondage hotline.
Now, could you imagine what a government could do if they just kept his phone records,
not tapped a damn thing, never accused him of anything,
but they just released the fact that he calls up this gay hotline every night at 1 in the morning.
It doesn't even have to be a gay hotline. It can be just a person.
Well, yes, I know. But even that, you can theoretically come up with excuses.
But the point is, this is the type of horrible thing that the government could release,
out of context looks horrible, and they don't have to go with their analysis to get six degrees of separation.
You call some guy who's perfectly innocent, who happens to call his mother in Kuwait,
who happens to call her uncle who's Osama bin Laden.
Okay, that's kind of weird.
But one of the things that strikes me is that it's very easy with all this information to connect to people.
There could be some random guy in Kentucky that you don't even know.
You'd never met. You have no idea that this person even exists.
Yet through using literally just data mining thousands and hundreds and thousands and millions of phone calls,
you can connect to people that never even met.
And so using this data, encapsulating it in a way that makes you look like you know the person, it can be grounds for—
Hey, why don't we just make this all public?
Why don't we just have the same access that the government now has?
And we can see, hey, how far am I from being connected to George W. Bush?
How many phone calls away am I from that?
Well, and that's what's interesting about it.
But they can use it as legal grounds for additional wiretapping and actually listening to your phone call,
saying, we know this person did this.
And look, he's only five or six hops away from this person.
That's the scary thing.
Exactly.
One thing that the government could do with this data is determine who among our listeners has already called 212-209-2950.
Is it that quick? Can they look that fast?
I'm sure they can if they feel like it.
Wow. It's real time then.
212-209-2950.
The phones have sort of died down, and we don't want that to happen.
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212-209-2950.
We're at about $1,600.
I don't know if there's – if they finished adding, then we definitely have some work to do to get to $2,600.
And that's important.
212-209-2950.
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That's right.
Most of them are down there.
Over there.
Mike, you were at a protest today having to do with what we're talking about.
Yes, it's true.
I was outside the Verizon headquarters, which is on West Street in Manhattan.
And there were about 50 people with me there who were protesting sort of a litany of bad things that Verizon is doing.
Fifty people?
Why wasn't it 5 million people?
Well, because our listeners didn't come.
I didn't see a single one of our listeners there.
But we weren't on last week to tell people about it, for one thing.
No, but, you know, we were in Cuba the week before that.
I don't think it was planned yet also.
Yeah, that's true.
So I got this nifty poster that says, AT&T, you're world-delivered to the NSA, which is sort of the wrong company.
Yeah, AT&T isn't – are they one of the companies?
Well, they're part of it.
AT&T is the one that's being sued.
Okay.
But AT&T, there's so many companies now, I'm not sure who's who.
So in addition to all this spying that Verizon is almost assuredly helping with, Verizon is trying to – Verizon and many other companies, they're by no means unique –
is trying to kill public access television, which gives a lot of people, you know, sort of voice.
They're trying to remove themselves from laws that say they have to provide service to everyone so they could potentially provide a better service in a wealthier neighborhood than in a poorer neighborhood.
Okay.
But, you know, I don't want to lose focus on this issue because this is like really, really big.
Well, I'm describing the thing.
Yeah.
There's a host of things which are all really big actually.
But this – nothing compares to having all of your phone calls monitored like the NSA is doing right now.
Nothing compares to that.
I don't want to get into an argument about which issue is bigger than another.
Well, I don't know.
I think this is as big as it can possibly get.
This is global surveillance.
It's the one that affects the most people.
It's the scariest.
It scares me.
I mean I think not enough people are scared by this.
I think that might be part of the problem.
People have come up to me and said, you know, I'm not concerned with this because this is what phone companies do.
And, yeah, okay, they're sharing it with the government now.
Why should that matter so much?
Why should that be a big deal?
And that's actually scarier than what's actually happening.
The number of people who just don't care, who think that since they have nothing to hide, that it's not a problem.
It's not something they have to be concerned with.
And there are so many ways that this data can be used against you even if you didn't do anything wrong.
I was approached by the FBI back in, I think, the late 80s because I had called somebody from Radio Moscow in New York City.
They actually, I don't know how they knew this, but they actually came out to my house and said, yeah, we understand you've been in touch with somebody.
And I was like, how could you possibly have known this?
Well, we can't tell you that.
But, obviously, they knew.
They had a way of knowing.
That was back in the 80s.
All right?
That was back before you even had caller ID in most places.
So imagine what they can do now with the technology that exists, with the speed that exists.
It's really frightening and scary.
And I think this is what we have to really be focusing all our attention on.
And I think it's shameful only 50 people were there today.
Of course, I didn't know about this either.
You got an email.
I got one email.
I accept none of these excuses.
You know how many emails I get in a day?
This should have been on the front page of various newspapers and websites and things like that.
But let's hope that there are more such actions and that they're very loud and vocal.
And, you know, there are ways that we can kind of screw this thing up for them too.
There are ways that we can make all kinds of phone calls to various suspicious numbers and just make it so that their data becomes useless.
That's the more difficult route.
It's more difficult, but it's more fun too.
I want to call a number, actually, that will get us on a lot of lists.
Is it 212-209-2950?
No, but that number will get you on some lists.
Oh, look at that.
No one's calling that number now.
No one's calling.
212-209-2950, please.
I'm happy to report we're over the 2,000 mark.
We're at 2,185.
That's great.
But, you know, 2,600, that's the goal.
And it's going to take a handful of people to call up.
212-209-2950 and pledge whatever you can afford and get us there.
And we'll see what the people power can do.
We'll think of doing the show next time naked if we get above 2,600.
No, no, no.
Please.
I said we'll think about it.
You'll think about it.
And, yes, we'll just turn your mic down.
I don't want to think about it.
Yeah, by yourself.
No, don't think about it.
All right.
Jim has been turned down for now, and that's by popular request.
212-209-2950, for a pledge of $125, you'll get everything.
And I mean everything.
It really is a lot.
You can't ask for more.
You can, but it would be ridiculous.
You can't get more.
I want to call this number.
And this is an example of some of the fun things that are out there.
And, Bernie, I believe you sent this to us.
And this has actually been the focus of a lot of attention from various people in various places.
It's kind of spooky, kind of scary, kind of interesting.
Let's give this a call.
And you can see for yourself just some of the wacky things that are out there,
except for the fact that I just lost the – oh, there it is.
Okay.
Let's get a dial tone.
Okay.
Now we're going to dial the number.
And we're going to turn it down because I don't want to actually give the number out over the air.
But you will be able to find the number.
I guarantee it.
Let's listen carefully.
Oh, you know what?
I did it again.
I did it again.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I didn't dial the area code first.
Okay.
I have to fix this.
Hang on.
I have to fix this without hanging up on Bernie.
Okay.
Let me get this back.
And I'll hang up on that one.
Okay.
And then I'll push this down again to get the dial tone.
Do you want to get Bernie on?
I'll get Bernie on in a second.
I'm going to dial the 1212 first.
Boy, what a pain that is having to do that.
And then I'll dial the rest of the number.
Actually, we'll bring Bernie back after we do this because it'll just be –
Here we go.
If anyone can recognize this music, please let us know.
This is just part of it, though.
Group 415.
Group 415.
0-1-3-0-5.
0-1-3-0-5.
0-1-3-0-5.
1-2-0-7-9.
0-4-6-0-6.
0-5-0-1-0-0.
0-9-3-0-0-0.
Okay.
So what we have here is – Bernie, can you hear us over this?
Yeah, I can hear you fine.
Okay.
Well, we can barely hear you, but this is the equivalent of a number station
except it's on a phone number.
And a lot of people are curious as to just what exactly is going on here.
You have what sounds like different numbers from different voices sort of
spliced together in some kind of a pattern after playing some kind of weird music,
saying Group 415.
0-1-2-0-7.
They always are the same pattern, too.
That's the interesting thing.
So what I can tell you is if you plug the following two numbers into Google
and I think put quotes around it.
Maybe you don't even have to put quotes around it.
I'm not sure.
0-1-3-0-5-space-6-0-5-1-0.
You'll get a whole discussion about this, and in there somewhere is the phone number
and you can track it down and figure it all out.
9. 0. 2. 2. 0. Okay. 7. T. 0. T. 8. Emanuel. Yes, Bernie. 7. T. 0. T. 8. It's probably worth mentioning to our listeners who think this is just a bunch of gibberish. You guys speak between the numbers. I had to jump in like on the old party line. Like when you're using a black box and you had to talk between the rings. I'm gonna put them on hold. Hold on a second while I do that again.
And let's go back to you, Bernie. Yes, he's still going on the other of the line.
I'm still here.
Yes. Tell us something about this.
Well, people listening to this may think this is just a bunch of gibberish, but this what you're hearing is very similar to the nearly identical to the techniques that intelligence agencies, government intelligences around the world have used to communicate to their field agents, their field operatives, their secret agents over shortwave radio frequencies.
Because with just a common shortwave radio, you can pick up these five number groups and using what's called a one-time pad, decrypt these encrypted messages.
And this has literally been going on for decades, probably 50 years or more over this shortwave band.
And occasionally you can pick them up and they're very eerie.
But this is the first known example of this type of messaging system, or maybe it's a spoof of those messaging systems, being available over a telephone line.
So I urge any of our listeners who investigate this and track down the phone number through the clues we've given them to see if they can discover the actual location of this phone pair where this line is and get to the bottom of it.
It could be an artist trying to spoof this and just create conversation.
It could be something really more spooky. We don't know.
Now, I don't want to give out the phone number in case it just is someone's weird answering machine message or something like that.
But it is out there on the net and by plugging in those numbers, you'll eventually track it down.
And I'll just give you those two numbers again, 01305 followed by 60510.
There are more. They always seem to go in the same order.
They repeat twice. Each group of numbers is said twice.
And it ends with 86.
86 said twice as well.
And then they play the music again. Then they hang up.
Very strange.
We're looking to see if we can do pattern analysis just like the NSA does and see if this message changes after a certain period of time.
The number stations on shortwave, which you can readily hear,
if you just tune around the bands or just do a search for shortwave number stations on some web search engine,
those messages change from time to time.
Like every week or two, they'll change to a different series of five-number groups.
This phone number has not been active that long.
Yeah, it was discovered this month. It was discovered not too long ago.
And again, it says group 415. Who knows how many groups there are?
It's like an episode of Lost. I know that.
But who knows what's out there?
And that's part of what we do is find things like this, try to figure them out, and spread the information.
And I'll tell you, the powers that be hate that more than anything else.
So while they're spying on us and trying to figure out what we're up to, we're doing the same thing to them.
And you can help us. You can help support the radio station, support the show, keep us going, keep our spirits high.
We're up to 2260, so all the right numbers are there.
So we just need to get 2600.
212-209-2950. Again, one more time with the pledges.
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And $125, all of the above, plus two tickets to the Hope Conference this July in New York City.
We want to thank a number of people who did already call to pledge.
Starting with John, who's from Newcastle upon Thyme in the United Kingdom.
Is that how you say it?
Isn't it?
I think so. I've never said it before. I've read it a bunch of times.
Well, if I'm wrong, I apologize.
Yeah.
David from Toronto.
And Patrick from Philadelphia.
Tony from Richmond Hill, New York.
Mike from Shawnee, Kansas.
Michael from Bloomington, Illinois.
Joyce from Haverstrand, New York.
C.D. from Hartsdale, New York.
Adam from New Brunswick, New Jersey.
Dustin from Cincinnati, Ohio.
Ivinda in Kloster, Norway.
Conrad from Ottawa, Ontario.
Timothy from Shelton, Connecticut.
Philip from Nitro, West Virginia.
Ryan from Medford, New York.
And Lloyd from Port Jefferson Station, New York.
Cool. Okay. Well, we got a good cross-section of people from around the country there.
And thanks to everybody for calling in.
Around the world.
212-209-2950.
Please, we're up to 2510.
$212-209-2950.
We should make a tape that sounds like that.
Yeah. Let's see if our friend is still here.
Oh, no. They hung up. They hung up. They're gone.
Okay. So, it doesn't take very long.
And eventually, you wind up coming to the end of the recording.
All right.
212-209-2950.
Please call us up and help us reach our goal, which is 2600.
We're up to 2510.
So, that's not bad.
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Regretfully, these premiums won't be available after the show.
Okay. You know what?
We'll stick around after the show for about 10 minutes or so.
So, those of you who are on delay or in other parts of the world that hear the show a few minutes later
because of processor speed and things like that,
we'll stick around and that way everybody gets a chance to call in after listening to the show live.
But please, make those phone calls quickly.
212-209-2950.
That is our phone number.
We won't be here next week.
We will be here in two weeks.
And by that time, I hope everybody will have called in who's going to call in.
I hope the station will have done well.
And I hope we'll have more information on all the evil, nasty things that are going on in the world
that we can bring you more information on.
If anyone out there has questions about the technology in Cuba,
please email those as well so we can address those in a future show in addition.
And I guess that's pretty much it.
Oh, we did it! 2660. We're over.
Yay!
You can still call though.
Yes, you can still call.
Remember again, 212-209-2950.
Our new goal is $3,000.
Don't you hate it when you reach the goal and all of a sudden you've got to get to another goal?
That's what the church people do all the time.
Well, otherwise it would be such a letdown.
We would feel unfulfilled.
I felt fulfilled for about half a second.
And then, like I said, it was a letdown.
I feel like even though you've reached your goal, you can always go beyond your goal.
Right.
That's true.
It's wonderful.
All right, folks.
Thanks again for all your calls.
Thanks for being there.
Thanks for the feedback.
And great to meet a bunch of you over the past week or so.
We're going to go out for now.
We'll be back in two weeks, no doubt staying in trouble because that is our nature.
I'm going to try to stay out of trouble.
Yeah.
My only question now is why the CD player is not working.
Okay.
It's not working for some reason.
I'm going to move it to a different CD player.
So let me take this opportunity to say 212-209-2950 is our phone number.
Your pledge money could be going to a CD player.
You never know.
Yeah, or just education getting me how to work it properly.
That would be cheaper.
Yeah.
There we go.
Okay.
We'll be wanted in every state before long.
You all will be.
It'll be nice company.
Before that happens, though, give a phone call to 212-209-2950.
See you in two weeks.
Good night.
Wanted man in California.
Wanted man in Buffalo.
Wanted man in Kansas City.
Wanted man in Ohio.
Wanted man in Mississippi.
Wanted man in old Cheyenne.
Wherever you might look tonight, you might see this wanted man.
I might be in Colorado or Georgia by the sea,
working for some man who may not know at all who I might be.
If you ever see me coming and if you know who I am,
don't you breathe it to nobody because you know I'm on the lam.
Wanted man by Lucy Watson.
Wanted man by Jeannie Brown.
Wanted man by Nellie Johnson.
Wanted man in this text town.
I've had all that I wanted of a lot of things I had
and a lot more than I needed of something that turned out bad.
Da da da.
Yeah, that's right.
Here I come, Lucy.
I got sidetracked in El Paso.
Stopped to get myself a map.
Went the wrong way into Juarez with Juanito on my lap.
Then I went to sleep in Shreveport.
Woke up in Abilene wondering why the hell I'm wanted at some town halfway between.
Wanted man in Albuquerque.
Wanted man in Syracuse.
Wanted man in Tallahassee.
Wanted man in Baton Rouge.
There's somebody set to grab me anywhere that I might be.
And wherever you might look tonight you might get a glimpse of me.
Wanted man in California.
Wanted man in Buffalo.
Wanted man in Kansas City.
Wanted man in Ohio.
Wanted man in Mississippi.
Yeah!
Wanted man in New York.
Wanted man in New York.
Wanted man in New York.
Wanted man in New York.
Wanted man in New York.
Wanted man in New York.
Wanted man in New York.
Wanted man in New York.
Wanted man in New York.