It's still there, but for the most part, comics are found only in specialty stores. That may be a New York phenomenon, I mean, Erie is much, we're starting to get the borders of the heartland of America, you would think that they would have it in mom and pop soda shops and little corner grocers out there. Not in the ice cream store, I've been to the ice cream store. Well, also, we've been to that store before, and they weren't comics there before. Yeah, we never saw them. It's like, look, comic books, ah! So this is an experiment. The RKO video stores were doing comics for a while, and then ended up getting rid of them. Video and comics. So I guess they figured that the amount of money they were making from the comics didn't justify the space they were taking up that could have been taken up with videos. So the RKO video stores kind of went out of business, didn't they? They should have kept their comics. I think that's part of it. 212-209-2950. 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Somebody who really likes comic books will find your site on the internet, and through that, find your radio show. See, that's the magic of the net. And they could be anywhere in the world and still be able to accomplish this. That's why it's essential to have a presence of some sort. How much, well, all right, Mike, yes, you have We have some people to thank and messages and other wonderful things. We have an anonymous donor who says to tell you that Frank called and says to register another site name. And we want to thank Daniel from Fairlawn, New Jersey. Thanks for that, Daniel. Thanks for the donation. And Heidi from New York, New York. Cool. And Wayne from Billerica, Massachusetts. Wow, thank you. And Mac from New York, New York. Cool. Thank you for those donations. First person not local becoming a member during Nuff said that I didn't know personally. So there you have it, Billerica, even though it's spelt wrong on the card. You know how Billerica is spelt. Actually, that's probably the best argument I've had yet. I'm just thinking of the amount of grief it's been costing me and pretty much everything I do with computers. We've all heard the story of the person who has noises in their car, and they take it to a mechanic, and then the noises stop. That's what happens with me with the computer. It won't be working, and then somebody knows what they're doing, comes in. They don't even have to be in the room yet. They could just be entering the room, and the computer will behave amazingly well. Don't worry, that won't happen with us. So it's got to be me. 212-209-2950. There's no calls on the line. We need to get more people calling in, or some people calling in anyway. This is an expanded edition of Nuff said. We're going till midnight, but we can only continue to do things like this if we know the listeners are out there, and we'll support things like this. 212-209-2950. And please call. We have what I think is a wonderful, wonderful premium. We have the Sheldon Mayer and Alex Tooth issue of Comic Book Artist, which is wonderful all by itself. We have the preview of Rex Mundy. We have eight comics that Mercy and I published. We've had several of those people doing those comics on the air, so you know their creative process. Alexei Ganjratiev, who was part of the Lord of the Rings show a few months ago, he's one of our authors. You get all eight first editions. And the highlight is a hardback book called To Afghanistan and Back. It's by Ted Rall, who went to Afghanistan last November and December during the war. And he's been there several times before the war. That was his fifth trip to Central Asia. That's the thing that's so amazing. He went there other times because he just thought it was such an interesting place. So he has the view of it, what it was like, and the wars that were going on before the United States got involved in the war. He talks about the 90% unemployment rate, the $1.40 monthly income that is averaged there. One call on the line, 212-209-2950. And it's just such great cartoons. I mean, when you had the visual impact and the written language working together as a team, it is pretty much unbeatable, the things you can say. That is why when we had some of the political bosses of the 19th century, and they did not like the political cartoonists going after them. Because they say, well, the voters don't read, but they do look at pictures. And the power of the pictures brought down the, oh boy, now I'm slipping the mind. Boss Tweed. Boss Tweed. Boss Tweed was brought down by a cartoonist. And literally, single-handedly, he left the country because of this, and was recognized in England because of those same cartoons. And then ended up being extradited, and tried, and imprisoned in New York City, where he got to overlook the city he used to be the boss of. And that was the power of cartoons. I didn't know that. That's really, I mean, yeah, you're right. How can you escape from a cartoon indictment? That's your face. And I've talked to people who do X-rated comics, and I'll be at a convention right across from somebody who does X-rated magazines in prose. And the person who's doing the prose, P-R-O-S-E, that's written language, no pictures, never gets into trouble. He gets into trouble because he's got pictures. Because the pictures are more powerful. So the censors are going to go after the pictures. And we've told plenty of horror stories like that on Nuff Said over the years. Pictures are powerful. And that is why they can make such great statements. When somebody does a story about a different country, having the picture in front of you brings you right into that country. So when Ted Roll is drawing Afghanistan, when he's drawing people being blown up by mines, it's not graphic violence, but it is graphic. And so you really get to feel what it's like for the kids there. Because where the adults know, stay on the road, because everything off the road is mine. Kids run around. They're running around everywhere. And one of the kids ran around. And boom. And it was a raining kid. And this. He talks about he went, he came in on an airplane and was taken by car to a hotel. And he woke up the next morning in the 14th century. People were plowing the fields without animals because cows cost too much to waste them having them plow the field. The Amish are more advanced than the farmers in Afghanistan. The Amish have horses and mules to do their plowing. The people in Afghanistan have their own two arms. That's it. It's a rough place to live. There was one particular day where all the journalists tend to stay in one area. And you hire bodyguards because the only way to pretty much get anything done, including eating, is using American money. So everybody is carrying a lot of American money secreted on their person in some way. So you hire a bodyguard so that somebody doesn't kill you for your money. Of course, sometimes the bodyguards will kill you for your money. And there was one day when Ted was in the room. I keep wanting to call it a hotel room, but it wasn't really. Anyway, it was a room. And somebody's banging on the door at 3 in the morning. And he's like, there's no reason for me to get up at 3 in the morning. Whatever they need, I couldn't take care of it anyway. So he didn't get up. It turns out that somebody went to everybody's door. And finally, this Swedish reporter answered the door. And the first thing they did was shoot him. And they would have shot the rest of the people in the room, but they managed to successfully beg for their lives because all they really wanted was the money. But life is so cheap there that you just shoot him. Don't say, I'm robbing you. Just shoot him. It doesn't matter. He was one of the three people who didn't come back of the 35 Ted entered Afghanistan with. So it's a very powerful book. It's a very eye-opening sort of piece of literature. It's a hardback. We had an hour with Ted two weeks ago. And it was just a wonderful hour. It flew by. It was amazing to hear him talk about this. It was kind of neat because we could have got another hour, no trouble at all. And he was just going on and on. We were still chatting with him after the show about his experiences. If you want to keep doing programming like this, you can do it right now at 212-209-2950. And if you send a $100 donation, you can get this book and many others. When I worked at the post office, I was also active with energy issues with the Shad Alliance. And when the people at the post office hear me talk about politics and energy issues, they get very uncomfortable. And then I would mention that I was in the comic books. And then they suddenly didn't feel so nervous around me. And it's interesting because some of the things you can say in comics, usually in independent comics, but the mainstream does it sometimes too. And when they do, we give them credit. We've been talking to a lot of people about putting your comic books on the net or on the web because by the time you print a comic book, you've got to get it to the engraver. You've got to get it printed. You've got to produce it. You've got to ship it. There's this massive paper that grows and grows and grows to get several thousand copies. Then you've got to distribute it. You've got to get somebody to take it to the store and set it up and make sure it gets into the store. And if they don't, you're stuck with those copies. You have boxes of these things. You have insulation in your spare room. But if you put it on the internet, for the price of getting a scanner so you can put the artwork in and getting a nice computer set up, the first issue, OK. But by the second issue, it's out there. People are seeing it. You're getting feedback. And you never lose money again. You won't lose any more money because you've already got the system. And now you're just putting it out there. People are finding it. You're getting links to it. And if it's popular enough, then you do the dead tree edition because it's worth it because people really want it. Almost all independent comics lose money. And they do them anyway. People have to do them because it's an expression of what they want to say. And they want people to read this. They want to get feedback. And if it's on the net, you're going to get feedback. People are going to respond. You can ask for comments. You can email people. And people will see it. People will find these. They look up comic strip barbarian, and they find out you've done it, or comic strip hacker. Which was one of my plans with the Nuff Said site was to put the evolution comics on there so people can see them. It's a wider audience. We could rebuild the fan base for our comics. And hopefully get more pledges when people realize, hey, I can get these. Becoming a member of the BAA? Kind of a microcosm of the whole radio station, the comic book world. I guess it's probably the other way around. But I guess just radio in general, non-commercial radio, doesn't make any money. It's a lot of effort to go into it. But you do it because you want people to be able to see what you're creating, what you're part of. And you want them to be a part of it as well. I think there's a lot of crossover between the communities. And that's why if you support independent comics, you really have to support this radio station. Unless you can point to some other independent comic programs that are on some of the other stations around here. I don't think there are any. I'd like to know if there are. If you want to see this continue, though, you really have to support the show. There's no other way around it. I just found out that there is an hour-long radio show about comics in Canada. And it started relatively recently. Yeah, well. But most, any time there is comics on the radio or cable access television, it's usually somebody reviewing comics. You don't get the in-depth view of the creative process and how writers and artists think, which is quite amazing. Whether what they're doing is commercial art. So they're selling it. But how much is commercial? How much is art? Everybody has different answers. And they're not always the answers you expect. 212-209-2950. Get those phone calls coming in. Support independent voices in all different mediums. Emmanuel's not getting paid for this. He's working overtime today. Instead of one hour, he's here five. It's showing. There was a dot-com company that was set up at one point for independent music and radio and comics. And of course, all the dot-coms disappeared. And so there isn't a lot of places to hear about this stuff. But if you put your support behind WBI, this is getting the news out. People are finding out more about independent comics and other forms of expression, art and writing. Yeah, you're probably thinking of IndiePlanet, which was supposed to be a forum for independent creativity. And actually, they just wanted to make their own movies. Zero calls. Can it be we're reaching absolutely nobody out? The tally went up. Thank you. Does nobody agree with what we're saying? Maybe we're wrong. Maybe this is not the way to go. Maybe corporate mentality is the only mentality. Maybe we'd rather have endless McDonald's commercials. Yeah. Well, people support that. If there's a commercial station and we're telling people to call up for a McDonald's sweepstake or something like that, I bet the phones would light up. What does that tell us? Yeah, that's true. We're giving away our minds. We're giving away the spectrum. We're allowing them to run things from every part of our lives. We're appealing to people who think. And that automatically limits our audience a great deal. Well, think about calling 212-209-2950. It's not rocket science. Basically, support the radio station. The radio station will continue to be here. It's essential. 212-209-2950. There have to be people out there that understand this. People who want to hear more about this are like we have all these interviews with artists and writers who talk about the craft of comic books. There aren't that many books about that. There aren't that many schools about that. So here you've got a radio station. You can tune in to Tuesday nights, every week. And you can even call in and talk to these people. You can't do that when there's a television show. There's Stanley on TV. So what? But you can't call up and actually say something to him. You can't communicate with the radio show. Like you can communicate with the radio show. Like you can't communicate with TV. That's out of your hands. They just do whatever they want. And you just want to go along for the ride. This is participation. This is like democracy. You have to participate. We need you to call 212-209-2950 and participate in freedom of speech and freedom of comics, speech about comics. I mean, I know we've all been harassed at certain times because of our choice of reading material. But I always say, what do you read? TV Guide? That's the only thing you read? You don't read? And you see all these spelling mistakes on things. It's like there's people who can't read out there. It's really sad. But it's also like I read comic books, but I'm reading. And I also read books. I don't just read comics. Yeah, almost everybody I know reads a lot of comics, reads a lot of everything. We're print junkies. We're print junkies. I like to read. And the thing is that the comics appeal to the imagination. In fact, you need the imagination to read them. And you don't even think about it because it's automatic. But when you look at a panel and you have two people talking and the body language doesn't necessarily may precede or follow what the dialogue is, that did not happen in one instant. That took place over several seconds, several minutes, or whatever. And the next panel could take place a split second later or a year later, whatever. But the time that is played with in comics is different than any other medium. And you interpret that. You don't think about it, but you're actually participating in the comic book as you read it by being aware of what kind of time is involved. When you read a book, it's all linear. Everything follows each other. If he's doing anything with time, he tells you. It's the same thing with a movie, of course. It's just laid out in there. And you just sit there and you absorb it. You don't actually participate in watching this movie. You just watch it and it goes into you. With the comic book, you have to constantly interpret. Who is saying these things in these balloons? You have to figure that out. But you do it instantly. You do it automatically because you've done it a long time. People from different countries have different ways of portraying time. And they actually have trouble reading comic books from different countries if the way they do that is that differently. And it's that type of participation that I think is part of the strength of comics. When you have a good writer and artist who knows how to exploit it and realizes that you are thinking as you read this, and he's going to use the fact that you're thinking. And he's going to use whatever prejudices you have about life and play with that as well. Please call 212-209-2950 and pledge some monetary support for WBAI Nuff Said. $50 for a regular membership. And that'll get you a membership card to BAI, which is good at several museums around the city. And now that we have a development coordinator again, I suspect it'll be good at several more. And you'll be able to have a part in the local advisory boards. You actually have a say in how WBAI and all five Pacifica stations is run by who you vote for on the local advisory board, who you send to the Pacifica Foundation. We just got a call. Thank you for that call. We need more people to call. You have a say in how a station is run. Can you imagine any commercial station allowing you to say, well, this is the DJs we have. These are the songs we have. This is how we're going to do things. You don't get a say. You can buy all the products they advertise, and you still do not have a say in how that station is run. But here you do through the local advisory board. 212-209-2950. But not everybody. You have to be a member of the station to have that say. And you also have a say by making the phone call and pledging support to the station, becoming one of the investors of WBAI, one of the people that believes that we have a future, that we are important. Right now we are at $495, which is a mere pittance to any commercial radio station. To us, it's a lot. And I'm sure to you as an individual, it's also a lot. It only takes one person to bring that $495 up over $500. And then that's another hurdle we've reached. And a few more people can bring that up even further. Everybody makes a difference. I think that's the theme of this place. So one phone call makes a difference. Two phone calls makes even more of a difference. Five phone calls, still more. You have that power. No place else can I think of. And listen to a commercial station, and they'll say, we'll take caller number 73. And they'll get 73 callers. But you know, those people. Except they lie when they say they took the 73rd. They took the 56th, and they didn't feel like it. Maybe so. But I think people who listen to WBAI don't have us on as background music. They're actually listening to what's being said. So if someone says something on BAI, it's more likely to be heard, to be appreciated, to be understood. And we feel the same way about our listeners. We appreciate them, and they mean something. 212-209-2950. Please show your support. Help us grow. I want to thank David D for sending in a donation. Thank you for that. That's great. Also some secret anonymous calls who don't want us to know their name. Anonymous calls. Thank you for those donations. Anonymous persons. Probably the shadow. People afraid to be known in the comic book world. It's Bruce Wayne. I'm going to read another one of Ted's cartoons. It's his little statement about what's going on. He's got a nice blond-haired guy being a newscaster. Today in the war, some stuff happened. They're not saying what, but whatever it was may or may not have been a big deal. Coming up, if certain things were to happen, would it matter that we are never going to hear about it? And the caption across the screen. Next, what's next? You have two people watching. One person goes, Bush's war is stupid. And the other one is, how can you be against something you don't know anything about? So we got a note from Tally saying, say the number. I think we've been saying it. 212-209-2950. Maybe we're saying the wrong number. Is that possible? Remember that time we gave the wrong number out? Why doesn't everyone call 212-209-2950 and tell us if it's the wrong number? Yeah, please. Yeah, that's it. And if that's your phone number, please call us and we'll make the correction. 212-209-2950. I think that's our number. 2950. If you give out the other number, the call-in line, watch that light up. Yeah, they like to call in, but you're asking for money. Sometimes it's tougher. Do you want to take phone calls? Yeah, why not? We can take phone calls. And you'll see how many people are really out there. 212-209-2900, all right? That's the on-air line, the on-air WBA line. Has it started lighting up yet? No, it hasn't. What a surprise. People have to dial. I have noticed that the minute you say, we're going to take phone calls, you don't have to get the number out when people start calling. Yeah, that's because there are people that have it programmed in their head. Yeah. Beep, beep, beep, beep. It works in a certain way. Most of the shows on WBAI do take phone calls. Call up. Let us know if you want to hear about hacking comics. There's no phone calls. There is no phone calls. That means there's nobody out there. I guess there's no future for hacking comics. Aw. I think a lot of people can't hack comics. I think it's about horse racing, you know, hacking. Hacking? Is that about horse racing? Yeah. Driving a horse-drawn cab. That's right. Hacks. Oh, is that where it comes from? When you call somebody a hack writer? Yeah. Yes. What does that mean? Well, there is a phone call there. So we have at least one person. You're essentially flogging a dead horse. 212-209-295, I'll make a pledge. 2900, call in. And you are on the air. Yes, good morning. Is that a polite way to say? Or yeah, I guess it's almost morning. Wait a minute. No, it's not morning. No, it's not morning. But anyway, you didn't call us to tell us whether it was morning or not. You called to complain. That's exactly right. And I personally, I made the point to you. Is it the way I said to? 4-9? That the fact that comics are in the daily papers, the Daily News and Newsday, is such that if you care about comic books and the comic book industry, then a more appreciation of the comics in the comic strips in the daily paper, it would help to admire them for whatever one can admire or criticize them for what criticalness you could bring forth to them. Instead of saying they're getting too small. I was just going to say that. Well, it's not true. It's not true. Because you can color Xerox them up in size. So you know, Mutz is still Mutz. You can get them on the internet. Mutz is in books, too. And they take much too long. I like getting Mutz in books. And I can read a whole bunch of them. OK, let me grab some more calls. Yeah, well, you don't want to answer that. No, because it's the same old thing that you say all the time. And it's the same old answer we'll give all the time. And I don't want to be as repetitive as commercial radio. Please call. Help WVAI to survive. 212-209-2900, you're on the air. Hey, Kenneth Mercy. And I have a question for you about Ted Rall. OK. I wanted to know if when you spoke to him after he was on the show, if he spoke about how he's dealing with what we're all dealing with here, with the threats of. You know, going to Afghanistan has changed his life. I'm sure. He's much less cynical than he says than he used to be, and indeed, he was less abrasive. I don't know. You realize, for example, when over there, it's difficult to breathe. He said Afghanistan is incredibly dusty. It's a glacial dust that's very, very, very fine. And virtually every person in Afghanistan coughs. And they cough all the time. And he said that he'd been back several months and he's still coughing. So is his wife. Is he a New Yorker? He's a New Yorker. Well, my question is about all the. Well, he said that, in fact, he mentions this in the book in strip form, so I'm going to be translating badly here without pictures. Thank you for this call. But he talks about a show he saw about wildebeest migrating and how they'll cross a river that has crocodiles in it. And many of them will be eaten crossing this river, but they all cross it. And the odds of any one particular wildebeest being the one to be eaten is very slim. And that's how he felt about going to Afghanistan, that, yeah, some of the reporters are not going to come back. But the odds of any one being the one to not come back was slim. There's millions of people living their entire lives there. And he said it's the same way for any terrorism or anything here, and that the odds of dying here is much less than there. And the odds there were not as high if you look upon it as an individual. And he said that he realizes how good his life is. When he was sending his stories to the paper, the articles he was writing, and he said pretty much all of them are compiled here, getting electricity was incredibly difficult. The source of electricity in order to send his article to the satellite was mostly car batteries. And you're paying a lot of money to have a car battery recharge your phone so you could do a satellite link to your paper. For like a half an hour. And they all did that. It didn't matter whether you were CNN or a little cartoonist in the Village Voice. You had to do that. And he said that all the different things that he has that he took for granted, he says he's just happier. And you could see it, the way he approached. He was on Nuff Said a few years ago. And his whole demeanor was really different. I mean, he's still one of the most cynical cartoonists there that is doing his stuff. And political, very, very political. He still believes that being a political cartoonist is a dead end job for anybody who's in it. Because the number of cartoonists that are getting work from papers is less and less all the time because they're just syndicating. They're just buying a handful of big names and they're ignoring everyone else. Well, part of my question is him being a New Yorker. How does he deal with all these threats that we're faced with by the media about there are going to be other attacks and what have you. Well, of course, that's been greatly in the news this week, really. So that's since he was here. So I didn't ask him that directly. I just asked him about war and survival in general. OK. Because I wonder, I would wonder how a person who had been there and is now here and dealing with what we're having to deal with every day here, what's the contrast? It's not as bad. Because there, as you said, it's amazing what you can get used to. That every single day from, what is it, from about, well, from dusk until about 9 PM, there's bombing. Every single day. And you just get used to it. And when the bombing stops, you know it's 9 o'clock. He figured that the guys in the Air Force wanted to unwind and go to the bars or whatever it is that they do at night. And so that's why they stopped at 9. But they always did. And everybody else knew it. When a Taliban bomb hit the parking lot, the journalists used, and one of the guys got, you know, his pieces of his body were raining down on him. He's like, he couldn't believe that he was so blasé about it. But it was so common. So over here, it's nothing like there. Well, just on a completely different subject, people that are out there and listening, and I agree with what Emmanuel says about, and what everybody's been saying about, the consolation, the consolidation, excuse me, of information and how bigger companies are handling all the information that you get. And whether you believe or you agree with what you hear on this radio station or not, just the fact that it can be here, and it can exist, and can give these different views, is the reason to support it, period. Because you're only going to hear certain things here. You're not going to hear it anywhere else. And my political beliefs are very different from a lot of people on this radio station, but I continue to support it, because I feel that if it's not being said here, it's not going to be said. And you put your money where your mouth is, that's for sure. You have to support something like this. There's no television station like it. No. With all the stations, there's nothing. Something like this were to just fade away... It would be a shame. It would be a big shame, because a lot of people who care very much about what they do on the station would not be heard anymore. Well, East Timor just got independence. They're no longer an occupied country. They're no longer part of another country. They're their own country. And I would have to say WBAI is a major reason, because East Timor got put into the news by BAI so much that people had to pay attention. So everybody should become a member of WBAI, 209-2950. That's 212-209-2950, which I'm sure will be a very good year, but we haven't gotten there yet. By the way, it's good to hear you on the air. I didn't know what happened last week when you weren't on. I couldn't get in touch. Scheduling. I know, there's a lot of people who were listening two weeks ago who thought we were going to be on last week and not this week. We thought that too. Emmanuel and Mercy and I found out just a few hours before airtime via messages on our answering machines. It wouldn't be BAI if it wasn't like that. Thank you for that call. Someone else just called in. The important thing is to get through the adversity and show your support anyway, and this place will be around for many years to come. I think the caller nailed it, because it doesn't matter where you're coming from, what your philosophy is. As long as you appreciate freedom of speech, as long as you appreciate being able to speak out and learn things, then this place will serve many different communities, and that's why many different communities have to give us a call and support the existence of this place. 212-209-2950, one call on the line. There should be ten calls on the line, I think. Lots of people listen to this radio program. When I take phone calls, I usually have, you know, however many lines are actually working is how many calls I get. 209-2950 is the number you want to call. Our operators are getting a little bored back there. They need some entertainment. Call them up and pledge. It's not a painful experience. It really isn't. You actually feel good after calling up and donating something and knowing that you're a part of the radio station, of freedom of speech, of something really different that's not being duplicated any place else. 212-209-2950. We have very friendly volunteers answering the phone. Well, good luck with the fun drive, everyone. I hope a lot of people do call up. All right, thanks a lot. Have a good night. Okay, good night. 212-209-2950. Actually, there's a great comic book called Supreme that I got turned on by that listener. Yeah. You know, he called in one day and said, you haven't mentioned it, and you would if you had read it. See, obviously you're not reading it, and that's when I started reading it, because of his call. You can turn on a lot of good material by the listeners. They're great. And now I want them to be even greater and pledge to become a member of the station. For $100, you get a copy of To Afghanistan and Back. It's a hardback book, introduction by Bill Maher of Politically Incorrect. It's half graphic novel and half prose travelogue. You also get the Sheldon Mayer issue of Comic Book Artist. You also get Rex Mundy preview book. You also get a complete set of Dangerous Times Revolution comics that Mercy and I published, and a complete set of New Frontiers comics that Mercy drew, The Green Ghost. You mentioned Bill Maher of Politically Incorrect. Did I hear right that show got canceled? Yes. It did, yeah? The only interesting show on commercial television. The only show that talks about issues. What, it just was too dangerous? Was that the thing? I think the proof of that is the fact that he's being replaced by Jimmy Kimmel, formerly of Win Ben Stein's Money and now of The Man Show, a show that features women jumping on trampolines. I think that says everything you need to know about why Politically Incorrect got canceled. Why don't they let them be topless if they're going to do that anyway? I'm surprised I don't understand. This should show you how rare a place like BAI is then and how pervasive stupidity is in the commercial world. Maybe it's because Bill Maher did the introduction to Ted Rawls' book. I'll tell you something. I'm extremely right-wing, and I'm horribly upset by that. It made you think. Jim, that makes you not extremely right-wing. Oh, okay. 212-209-2950. Show your support. Keep this place going. Other places are falling, but we intend to stand. On this show, we have intelligent political commentary, not merely blonde Republicans, so it's a good deal. No, as far as I know, I'm the only Republican here, and I'm not blonde. Two Republicans, and we're both not blonde. Republicans not blonde. Well, you've got your blondish. Is that the name of the band? Republicans Not Blonde. Four non-blonde Republicans. Yes, that's it. Four non-blonde Republicans. It would be an interesting name for a band, wouldn't it? 212-209-2950. We pledge your support for WBAI. And that's it. BAI needs the support of everybody out there, and if you want to call this show, it's 212-209-2900, and you're on the air. Hello. Hi. Okay. First of all, you said, according to Ted Rall, you have a greater chance of getting killed in Afghanistan than in New York. Now, according to Dr. Michio Kaku, on exploration on WBAI, one of the biggest threats is from nuclear power plants being hit. And then Mike Levine on, as a witness, radio show on WBAI says that we're all in grave danger because nuclear winter could occur very soon from war in the Middle East. Well, nuclear winter is going to affect Afghanistan and the United States both at the same time, so... This person listens to the station all the time. If you want to compare the two places as far as that go, but the point still remains that the odds of any one person dying from any one thing, whether it's war or an act of terrorism, is slim, and that's how life goes on in places like Afghanistan and Israel and New York City and wherever that people are worried about things happening. Which places have the nuclear power plants most likely to be targeted? Well, if you continue listening to BAI, I'm sure you'll hear all kinds of possible horror scenarios, a wide variety from all... We could be pelted with... They're all over the country. Well, the Indian Point nuclear power plant, being so close to New York City, is a prime target, and the fact that it is next to a very wide body of water helps, although the plants along, say, Lake Erie, Lake Ontario, might be a bigger target because they're easier to get to without being seen, because they're right next to an even larger body of water. Nobody's watching that airspace. But it seems to me that when terrorists attack things, they go after things with symbolic value, and irradiating New York City is pretty heavy on the symbolism, wouldn't you think? Yeah. I heard in the news that when other words are going to attack the Statue of Liberty, I think I'm more concerned about how the government's attacking liberty itself. That's a good point. Yes, a great point. Obviously, you listen to a lot of BAI shows, don't you? Are you a member of the station? I would be. I don't get a lot of income, and I... It sounds like you'd be the perfect person to be part of this local advisory board. If you don't have a lot of income, $25 for a low-income membership, and you can be part of BAI and have a say in the local advisory board, and you would have an educated say because you listen to so much of the station. So go for it. I give money to neediest cases fund, the EFF now. Well, anyway, I should tell you and anybody in your same situation, become a member of the station, 212-209-2950. Anyway, thanks for your call. I think we qualify as neediest cases, don't you? Yeah, I would say so, especially since our tally still hasn't even crossed $500. Not a single person can call and bring us $5 over. We have $495. We're stuck there. Actually, I wonder how we got to $495. That's a really interesting figure. I'm not sure, but... We had lots and lots of $5 pledges. One was $125. If we were one of these religious preachers, we could make a million dollars in like an hour somehow. Put your hands on the radio. Yeah, and... We'll heal you. We'll heal you with comic books. Right, we've said, God wants you to give money. God does want you to give money. People believe it because they hear it on the radio. Why do you believe it? We've got somebody to call. We're trying to appeal to people's intellects as well as their emotions instead of just telling them, God wants you to. Maybe that's our mistake. 209-2950. God does want you. If you believe in God. If you don't believe in God, the lack of God wants you to call. Equal opportunity here at this station. Right. 212-209-2950. Yes, the lack of God wants you to become a member of WPA. No, no, no, no. The theory is that the lack of God will cause you to give to BAI to support free thinking. That got one call. There is no number six. They hung up immediately, so I don't think... Or got hung up on it. 212-209-2950 to donate to WPAI to pledge your support. Very strange thing. When you say, nobody's calling, the cranks go, all right. We don't get as many cranks as we used to, but the cranks seem to come out during pledge time. I have noticed that. Anyway, 212-209-2950. We have another 15 minutes, and we want you to become a member of this station. And for now, we'll take your phone calls at 209-2900. You're on the air. Oh, no, you're not. That's the same person who just called that line. Maybe he's got two lines, and he's calling them both. Too many hang-ups. Anyway, any summing up about all the stuff we've been going after? Go see the Spider-Man movie. It's cute. I saw the Star Wars film when I was in Ohio, and boy, I'm not going to get into all the plot problems or the acting problems because we only have 15 minutes, but these simpletons who were at the theater could not figure out how to run the film properly. Actually, no, that's not entirely right. They didn't have any say in it themselves. They were simply running the automated projections, projection machines, I guess, which everybody has these days. You don't have a projectionist. You just have a machine with certain types of material that trigger certain events. For instance, when the last promo ends, a particular piece of film goes by that triggers the lights to dim at that point, and then when the film is over and the credits come up, the lights come on a little bit, but the film keeps going. Well, what happened here, something got messed up someplace, and instead of the lights dimming after the promo, the lights actually came on after the promo. Yeah, so we had lights on throughout the entire film, and nobody wanted to go out to complain about it because if they did that, they'd miss part of the film, and you don't want to miss part of the Star Wars film on opening day, even if you are in Ohio. So everybody sat through this thing with the lights on, and then what do you think happens at the end of the film? Well, the credits start, and then the lights go off, and the film stops because the intelligent projector thinks, oh, okay, I'm at the end of the credits now, so there's no need to have the film go anymore, so they turn that off, and the lights aren't as bright as they were. They were on a little bit, and then finally somebody, I guess, someplace, figured out that this shouldn't be happening and turned it on, but you heard movie theater music, the stupid music they play while nothing's happening. You heard that while the credits were playing. It was unbelievable, and that also shows that nobody even came in to check to make sure that everything was going okay. This is another example of how they just don't care. They don't care at all. They just automate everything. But the positive side of the story is I complained about it, and we all got free passes, except it's free passes to a theater in Ohio. When are you going to get there again? I don't know. No time soon. We have two calls. Thank you for those calls pledging your support. Dayton, Ohio. 212-209-2950. If you're fed up and don't want to take it anymore, call us because at least we feel the same way, and there's a good chance that you'll get to be heard here. 212-209-2950. Thank you for your support. And if you're in Dayton, Ohio and pledge your manual, we'll send you those passes. That's not a bad idea, actually. Yeah, that's not a bad idea at all. Somebody could use them. We could get to go see that movie. In or near Dayton, Ohio. How long are the passes good for? The guy said forever. He also said, though, since there was a national amusements theater that I could use them here, so I'm going to try that first. And when that doesn't work, I'll figure something else out. 209-2950. Show your support for WBAI. Enough said. $50 for regular membership, $100 for a premium, $125 gets you all kinds of WBAI merchandise, hat, T-shirt, mug, and something else. But any pledge gets you the satisfaction of knowing that you're helping the radio station, and that's what it's all about. Whether you pledge $10 or $1,000, you're helping out. You're becoming part of this place, and we need you. We need you for that purpose. And for those of you with $225 to spare, you get the combined Enough Said off-the-hook special, Freedom Downtime, two tickets to H2K2, Evolution Comics, the Ted Roll book, everything you could possibly imagine, and more. There you go. 212-209-2950. That is pretty cool. That's $250. Even if you can't contribute that, if you can only contribute $10, if you want to help out as a student, I mean, a lot of people not working right now, lower income, please help out with whatever you can to keep this radio station going. 212-209-2950. We have time for a few more calls before we go off the air. 212-209-2900 is the number. Talk to us here. You're on the air. Yes, you talk about intellect and freedom of speech, and then you don't answer my question in any other way to say that I may have asked it before. You're right. Over 20 years, over and over again, every show. Yep, and saying the same things. You're on the air. Hi, I'm really enjoying the merging of Off the Hook and Nuff Said tonight, and I liked it in the last marathon when Walsh Orthodox and Nuff Said merged their shows together, and that, you know, the occasional cross-fertilization and openness is really a wonderful thing to hear on WBAI. Well, thank you. Well, thanks for the compliment. Thanks. Yeah, I mean, well, comic books do crossovers all the time, and we used to do it with Sidney Smith's Carrier Wave and had an absolutely wonderful time combining shows with him. And we got to watch TV. And so I was really looking to do it with anybody. There might be a soon-to-be-a-crossover with the Saturday morning science fiction show, Hour of the Wolf. Oh, wow, that's really neat. Yeah, we'll probably do a crossover with Jim Freund. It'll be Star Wars-oriented. I'd also like to say that, you know, I was one of the people that stood in front of BAI, and as this marathon came around, I had to reflect that not everything that I hoped for would be accomplished has been accomplished yet. And sometimes it was a little frustrating, and sometimes it seems like the kind of openness that's just been displayed isn't always there. So I had to think about, you know, my plans for supporting the station and this marathon. And so I just began to count up the shows that really mean a lot to me, and there were lots of them. And so what I decided was that, although, you know, I'm not totally satisfied and I think a lot of work needs to be done to make BAI a better station, that I did pledge, and I pledged actually more than I usually do, and I feel pretty good about that. That's great. Thanks so much for the support. And that's cool, yeah. Thank you. And it's always going to be a process where you're never satisfied completely, where things have to constantly be fixed and made better. But let me tell you, the people who are here now are really trying, and they really believe in the place. And I think that's the most essential ingredient you have, and it's necessary in order to succeed. And I can't imagine there's a single human being on Earth who could agree with every single show on WBAI, because we are so diverse, and I think that diversity is the strength. But it means you're going to disagree with some people. Well, it's not about agreeing or disagreeing with every show. I don't think that that's... What I'm talking about is there was a process that the station can be open or it can be very closed. And it's certainly much more open now than it was in the year that preceded that. But also, it's really closed in a lot of ways. And in a lot of ways, there are people who have a lot of power at the station that are afraid to share that power with the listeners. And they think that the only way that the listener power might be expressed at the station is a kind of micromanagement in choosing each show. I don't think that's true. I think there's a lot of room for listener participation that still respects the people who have jobs to do in terms of making programming decisions. And I think... Well, that's what the local advisory board is going to have a lot more say. Well, maybe it will and maybe it won't. That's not really settled yet. And the process seems to be that the local advisory board should already have a lot more say right now. And the management, before any bylaws change are made, could just decide unilaterally, we're going to be real open about this. We're not going to make any decisions without the lab input. But they haven't decided to do that. And so, you know, it's really important that people let the management know that we do want you to take input. We want you to talk about the decisions that you make. We want you to listen to what other people think. We agree that, you know, as a program director, you ultimately have the last call because we respect you and we think that you're, you know, working toward the same ends as we were going to respect your decisions. But you really need to be open about the process and you really need to make sure you have a way to listen to the community. Well, people are aware that some of the problems with the Pacifica Foundation over the last several years were because of the lack of openness. And I've noticed that things are a lot more open, there's a lot more communication between different areas within WBAI now than there ever was. And so, I think that we need to be open about the process. I mean, not just during the coup but before the coup. I think things are a lot better than they were just because people know how important the communication is because it was the lack of communication that got us into this mess. And I think... I think you have more confidence that people have learned the lesson. Well, yeah, because I've seen the improvement. I've seen there's more meetings, there's more communication between different departments at BAI which I think is wonderful because, you know, we all have different things to give. It's... What about outside the staff? Outside the staff? I am not sure about. The important thing is that listeners like this take part in the process and are there to let us know if we're straying in any way. So, I think the doors are open now. No, they're not really. They're not quite that open. Well, they're not wide open but they're open so you can come here at least and talk to people. Yeah, but what I'm trying to tell you is my experience is they're not as open as you might think they are. I... After the last marathon, I was interested in doing volunteer work, you know, sending out premiums or doing clerical work and just to be able to get a hold of somebody that could tell me when a good time for me to come down and volunteer my time, you wouldn't believe how difficult that was. So, in many ways, the station... I mean, to say the doors are open is one thing but what the station really needs to do is send out to the listeners when people come to volunteer in the tally room, do they give them a piece of paper and say, are you interested in volunteering on a continuing basis? Okay, but I think what you're touching upon is efficiency which is something that BAI has never had. I don't think... I think it's attitude, not efficiency. I don't know. I think you might be reading too much into it because I know people try and sometimes they're just overwhelmed with work. I can't get calls back lots of times from people I need to talk to about that. But you would be welcome to come down and volunteer your time any time. One of the problems is that none of the department heads have assistants. In any other radio station, the department heads would have an assistant to do a lot of these things but there isn't the money to pay for them. So that's why you need volunteers. To say, we're too busy to get volunteers in here to do some of the work that we're too busy doing. Don't you see how silly that sounds? I don't think anyone has said that. Has anyone said that? I'm reading into that. What happens is that the person who would make the contact isn't available. I've been with so many environmental groups that had the exact same problem that you just mentioned. They didn't have the people to get the people. It's not that they didn't have the people to get the people. You make a priority. You have the people to do things. You only have a certain amount of jobs you can do. How far up in that list do you put the jobs of recruiting volunteers? Do you put that on the list? Or do you put it low? Some jobs are not going to get done. If you decided that that was one of the most important jobs to do, that after having programs on the air, the second most important thing was to get volunteers into the station, that's a matter of priorities. If you do that and you do it well, then all the problems that you're talking, not all the problems, but many of the problems you're talking about, lack of time, lack of staff, you don't have an assistant, it's a community radio station. You need to do as many jobs as possible. If everybody there needs an assistant, get a volunteer assistant for everybody there. Okay, has anyone ever told you not to come down to the station and volunteer? Yes. Really? Yes. Well, that's wrong. That's totally wrong. That is wrong, yes. Okay, and I think that I understand that you don't have that experience, but I think you need to be open and understand that the culture of WBI still now to this day is not friendly to volunteers. And until people first say, we're going to do a change of attitude, that we are going to make this part of our culture, that we welcome volunteers, nothing is going to happen. And as long as you don't realize that that is a problem, you're not going to have a change of attitude. So I'm asking you, talk to listeners, listen to listeners when they tell that to you, and don't tell them all the reasons why their experience is not really true or that they don't really understand what's going on inside. That is what has to change. Okay, well thanks for your call, and we're going to have to make it due because the show is ending. Thank you. Alright. We just got another donation for $100 recently. Thank you for that call. As you can see, there's a lot of passion out there, and that's what we need. We need people with passion. You can't dispute the passion, that's for sure. 212-209-2950. And now is usually the time when to boil things down and saying, this is 120 Wall Street, New York, New York, 1005. I can't give you the website because there isn't one for us. Unless you want to see pornography. Yeah. And however, Off the Hook has a website. Oh, well yeah, we do. www.2600.com slash Off the Hook is our website. 2600. And you can also tie into a link to listen to WBAI 24 hours a day from their site. So anybody you know who you think should be listening but they can't because they don't live in New York, well they can if they have internet connection. And the software to do it is, there's a link to that, right? How to get the software? To get the real audio software to listen. Well, real audio is only one, and that's not the one we really encourage as much. Whatever. Just any MP3 player, which comes standard with most computer operating systems these days. There you go. Yeah. 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