A project brought by AMFM Clear Channel out of Boulder, a friend of mine actually is involved
with it. You get a bunch of DJs in an area and don't pay them very much. Los Angeles
DJs make a lot of money. So you do it in Boulder, Colorado and you get these DJs and they come
into a room every day and they read lines off into a microphone. They say, that was
Pearl Jam coming up next, it's Limp Bizkit. That sound file goes out digitally to a radio
station in Los Angeles, to a radio station in Phoenix, to a radio station in Seattle
and is instantly dropped between songs that are played off of a hard drive. Radio stations
that don't even have any people in them. Isn't that amazing? And yet they make the same amount
of money but they don't have to pay anybody because there's no people. How does that serve
the community? How do you tell people about an emergency weather condition or something
like that? Things that the low power 10 watt stations are doing and being told that they're
not allowed to do that. These mega stations completely ignore it. Listen, turn it on yourself.
See when you hear a local newscast that actually tells you something about the neighborhood
you live in.
But you know what really matters, Emmanuel? The K-Rock dysfunctional picnic. That's what
it comes down to.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
You know, does anybody here know what the K-Rock dysfunctional picnic is?
Don't look at me.
The Z100 jingle ball. All these silly commercial garbage.
It's making me sick, the very thought of it.
And all these radio stations are programmed by three guys.
Yeah, I know. The same three guys program all the stations. That's another thing. We're
talking about news and public affairs. Okay, let's talk about music a little bit. How do
you think things become hits? You know, it's all this big web of deceit that encompasses
the record companies, the motion picture industry, and you know, the radio stations.
They decide who is going to be a success, who is not going to be a success. And you
know, you have no control over this. And the real danger of people running their own radio
stations and community stations is that that power goes away.
You see the same kind of reaction you saw against us over the summer by the MPAA when
people, consumers actually had control over technology. Well, you don't want that. You
want to be able to dictate the terms. You want to tell people what to buy, how to use
it, what's good, what's bad. You don't want people to have that ability because then all
of a sudden you lose control. And who wants to lose control?
The phone number is 212-209-2950.
And we have a new deal. That's right. A new deal. The second hour deal here.
To get us out of the great depression.
I was going to make that joke, but I stood away from it. You, however, went off the cliff.
Okay.
I was a little depressed, but I'm not depressed now because we have a new deal. And this actually
might be of note to some people who have already pledged. And again, this should be directed
to people in the tally room because some people might be calling up to upgrade their pledge.
And if they do, well, okay, we can just upgrade their pledge to this amount. Because for $200,
I know it sounds like a lot of money, but for what you get here, oh, it's nothing. $200.
You'll get every single videotape coming out of the H2K conference that we are at the moment
still compiling. This won't be ready until November.
You could bootleg those and make your money back.
That's true. You could. Thanks for giving people the idea.
So we'll now get one pledge.
Hey, Mike from Columbia is here. How you doing?
Hi.
You have a suggestion?
Well, I'm just glad that you're releasing on VHS, not DVD because people will have their
fair use rights.
That's right. Absolutely. And one thing I'd like for people to do is get these on public
access, on cable. I'm not sure how it works. I've never actually tried it. I'm looking
into it right now. But you can submit tapes and have them aired and then the whole community
can see it. For $200, you'll get every single panel. And let me tell you some of the things
that are included there. There's the legal panel with us and Marty Garbis. There's John
Johansson. There's hackers in the media. There's the whole mock trial with the MPAA
versus 2600.
That was riveting.
That was great. That was really something. High School Horror Tales, the MTV panel, just
about everything that we have. I haven't gone through all of it yet. We're still in the
process of doing that. And it's going to cost us a fortune to make these things up, but
we're doing it because we want to make it available to people. And it should be available
in mid-November. But for $200, you'll get everything. We're talking probably
20-24 hours of video right there.
That's a lot.
The whole conference. Wow.
Yeah.
That's like a Time Life series.
I mean, it's going to be a big box that shows up at your door. That's going to be a really
big box.
You can have a commercial on TV and say, Daddy, what was H2K?
212-209-2950 is the phone number. I don't see any takers. You know what? Nobody sees
the value of this.
There will be takers.
All right.
How much do you spend on beer and pizza every year? More than $200?
Oh, yeah, absolutely. This is something that can entertain the whole family and also...
While you're eating pizza and drinking beer.
If you missed H2K, it's a great consolation prize, although it's a bit more expensive.
I'll give you that. But it's also something you can keep forever. And if you were at H2K,
it's great memorabilia and something you can take with you.
And most importantly, you're helping this station. At $99.5, my apologies for the early
hour, it's an unprecedented resource we have here. And $200 pledge, you get the videos,
but...
You're helping us out.
You know what? You also get the hat.
And you get the hat?
Yeah, you get the hat as well.
You get the hat, too.
In fact, you get everything that we were mentioning before. You get the hat, you get...
The whole nine yards?
Since the Jell-O-Bee offer video is part of this, you get him,
you get the stickers and you get the CD when that comes out.
For $200.
For $200. Now, OK, so if people don't see the value of this, let's delve back into H2K
for a moment and visit the... Were you at the social engineering panel? Oh, this was fun.
This was a lot of fun.
This was something. Now, all right, to set this up a little bit,
social engineering is something we do every hope. This is the third one we've done.
And we always try to get something out of the various corporations.
We try to get some information they're not supposed to give us.
In this particular case, it was a little bit different because they were onto us and they
had published a memo. AT&T had sent out a memo to all its employees telling them to beware
of giving out sensitive information because there was a hacker conference this weekend.
So basically what we decided to do was call them and see if they would give us any information.
And well, let's just hear how that transpired.
Did everybody else write that number down?
AT&T Corporate Security, this is Jim on the health...
Yeah, hi, this is Mr. Goldstein. I'm over in sales in the Americas.
I've gotten a memo about something that might be going on this weekend.
I was wondering if you could give me more information concerning something having to
do with information being obtained by people that weren't supposed to obtain it or something
like that. It's very sketchy, I heard it third-hand, but is there something that we
should be a little bit more careful this weekend? Do you have any information on that?
Yeah, you should definitely be careful about giving any information. I mean,
it's always a good idea to be especially careful of giving out information if somebody's calling
in. This weekend what's going on is some sort of a conference for hackers and they're calling in
and doing a live demonstration. And so they'll call in to different businesses and whatnot.
I don't understand. What's the purpose behind that?
Well, to obtain information so that they can use that to defraud,
probably ultimately to defraud you or your business.
You're saying there's a whole conference of people doing this?
That's what I understand, right.
And that's legal?
I don't know the legalities around it. I guess for them to me it's not illegal, but
certainly if they do something, I don't know what's surrounding it, but in a nutshell,
be on the lookout this weekend at any time. By the way, the memo that you had received was,
you received an email?
Actually, a co-employee who since lost the memo told me about it. That's why I'm calling
for clarification. Is there any way to get another copy of that?
You were in AT&T?
Yeah, I've been to the Americas.
Do you have a, what was your name?
I'm sorry, my name is Mr. Goldstein Armand.
If I give you a fax number, would you be able to just send that over?
I just find it amazing that you say there's a group of people that are planning to do
something and nothing can be done to stop them.
Well, I mean, it's like, you know, they're covered under the First Amendment.
And this is not something that's actually hidden from the public. It's more or less,
you know, they can't obviously in the meeting advocate doing anything illegal, but the things
they may talk about in the meeting are for the purpose of probably, you know, hackers.
But in general, like I said, yeah, anytime somebody calls in and asks for something like,
you know, information that you wouldn't normally give out, it's just a good idea to get,
or if they're claiming to be with a phone company or anything like that,
or obtain information that you don't feel comfortable giving out,
the memo just states, you know, don't do what they're asking without asking for their callback
number, their name, and then call it back and verify that they're who they say they are and
all of that. That's the only thing the memo stated. I know it was AT&T today.
Okay, and it went out to every AT&T office, I assume, more than just locally, right?
Yeah, I know it was available in AT&T today and on Friday, I believe.
Can you hold for a moment? Yes, sure. Thank you.
It's always a bad sign when they put you on hold.
Yeah, you know, this speakerphone is really, it's not, it's a RadioShack speakerphone.
Oh, okay. What was your first name? Armand, A-R-M-A-N-D.
I was just looking internally to see if you're on the email list there. I didn't see your name here.
No, it's not likely you would. Okay. Why would that be?
Well, basically, we were just making our first phone call.
Oh, boy. At what point did you hang up? Well, no, he hung up. He hung up. I guess,
I guess he didn't feel the need to communicate. When he heard several thousand people screaming.
Yeah, that must have tipped him off. Well, that's the thing. You really need the video for this,
because the funniest part is watching the audience, like, grab at their chest and try
to hold back the laughs. Yeah, it's hard. As you're doing this. I have to give them a lot
of respect for holding back on that, especially that call, because, you know, imagine the irony
there. You know, he's telling us about social engineering or social engineering him into telling
us about it. At the exact same time. And pretty unbelievable. So, yeah, that's just a small part
of the whole H2K package there. That's the social engineering panel, including an interview with
Kevin Mitnick. There was a lot of comedy at this show. It was a lot of funny stuff. And you could
get all the tapes for only 200 bucks. 200 bucks. You get something like I haven't even finished
counting all the tapes yet. I think we're up to I think up to about 20 hours so far. And we
haven't even finished going through it all. It's a lot of video. Maybe the only way that you sell
them is through people give a donation to BAI. And that way, like when the federal government
is buying sets of them, you know, to look at the federal government has to support BAI.
There you go. All right. So if you're fed out there, 200 bucks will get you a lot of surveillance
equipment. It's a deal. It saves the taxpayers money, makes your boss happy. It's not a problem.
That's right. You'll get the keynote speech by Jello Biafra. You'll get the King's Mob
open source media making panel, which I just saw that yesterday. And it was fascinating.
Hackers in the media, the social engineering panel, the mock trial,
hacktivism, MTV, high school horror tales, selling out, introduction to computer viruses,
pirate radio 101, John Johansson story. The list just keeps going on. I mean,
just go to the h2k.net page and look at all the panels that we had. And you'll see we just did
so much. And it's really cool. It's amazing. You kind of put it behind you and you don't think
about all the things that happened. But then you sit down, you watch it all and you realize, wow,
this really was significant. This really changed some things. It's just changed people. It's made
a lot of people learn things. And that's what it's all about. And that's what makes us want
to keep doing things like this. 212-209-2900, $200 for every single video, massive amount of
videotapes there and well worth it. Believe me, it's well worth it. For $75 though, you'll get
just the Jello Biafra speech and everybody who pledges 75 or above will also get a baseball cap.
And everybody who pledges 25 or above will get the new Jello Biafra CD, which includes excerpts
from the H2K speech. And everybody who pledges will get some H2K stickers. I think that pretty
much makes it about as simple as possible. Laszlo, what was your favorite part of H2K?
You were running around like a madman there too. Watching Bernie. What was Bernie doing?
Bernie was on a lot of panels and the old, the antique, I think it was like a shortwave panel
that he did. And then of course, I helped organize the Napster panel. And we had a lot of good
people on that panel. Yeah. I haven't seen that one yet. We have that one too. That's got Jello
Biafra and it's got a few other people as well on it. There was a lot of smart folks on that.
I missed almost everything because when you're running around and coordinating,
yeah, it sucks. But that's the good thing about videotapes. If you miss it, you can...
I'm having so much fun now going through these things, watching them because I see all the
things I missed. Now, if I'm having this much fun, imagine how much fun you can have watching this
because you don't have to worry about putting it all together and making sure it gets sent
out to everybody. All you have to do is get it. And all that involves right now is a $200 pledge.
There's so many things from this footage that you'll notice. There was a cop that
came to H2K. Did you know about this? No. There was a uniformed New York City police
cop that came to the press area and asked to get in for free because he was a cop. And they're
like, you got to pay $40. But just the shots of the rooms of people and to see all the different
kinds of people and hair styles and different sizes and colors of people. It was especially
the room where they had all the old computers that they were networking and that
kid, that genius kid that calls into the show all the time. Well, now you're going to make him
swell his ego up to the size of this room now. Genius kid. No, he was not like that.
Nice. He was cool. He's a good guy. He's all right. He told me, I interviewed him for my radio
feature. 212-209-2950. Three calls on the line. He said they won't let him touch the computers
in the library anymore in school because he went down to a DOS prompt. So many people there had
similar stories. In fact, we had a couple of panels where people were telling stories like
that about how they get ostracized because they're too smart, because they figure things out.
And it makes you wonder where we're heading in our society when we treat people who are smart
as if they're criminals. We're heading towards George W. Bush. You think so? Running for
president. Look, the man is an idiot. The dumber, the better. I thought you were looking at a poll
or something. No. You'd be glad George Bush can't talk. You'd be glad because if you can put a
sentence together, we're serious. I take great joy in that fact. Well, he seemed to have creamed Al
Gore in the debates. The master debater that is Al Gore seemed to have a lot of trouble with the
idiot George Bush. And this is the only radio station in New York that's talking about any of
the third party candidates. That's right. It's a telling day when Ralph Nader and Pat Buchanan are
joining together to fight for a common cause. Isn't that something? That says a lot. That's
amazing. 212-209-2950. Beat me to the phone number. Sorry. We only have three calls on the
line. Let's get some more. We're up to 1290 total. We want to get it up significantly higher. Ten
dollars. Just call and give ten dollars. 212-209-2950. You'll get some stickers at least
for that. Yeah. Then you can put them on a police car or something. It makes a difference. Sure. And
you'll get to keep hearing this program and many others. Yes. And then we'll stop saying the phone
number over and over again. 212-209-2950. That's right. We've done a lot over the years on this
radio station, on this radio show. And this is only one show of many on the station, which is
why it's important for everybody who listens to just one program to donate to that program. So
if you're out there and you only listen to it off the hook and you think that it's a waste to donate
to a station when you only listen to one show. No, it doesn't work that way because we all make
up the place. We all build together and keep the place going and we all have to do our part to make
sure this place is here tomorrow. And it's a very important issue. And everybody who feels a part of
a program should take part in this. It's like voting. It really is because you're basically
investing yourself into something you believe in. And if you believe you can make change,
well, this is the place where you can make that kind of change. I like that parallel to voting
because, you know, whenever you vote and you start walking out of the polling place,
you have that feeling. You get that feeling that you forgot to push the button. No, no,
no, no. I hate that feeling. The feeling that, you know, wow, I pulled that lever
and I made a difference. You know, it makes you feel part of something a lot larger than yourself.
And that's the kind of the unity behind this station that you can find when you actually
got to become a member. You got to pull the right lever, though. Yeah. If you pull the
lever, everybody else pulls. You're not making any difference. You pull the you pull the lever
that you should be pulled, the lever you believe in. And if you don't give at least five or ten
bucks to this station, you are jumping the turnstiles, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I guess that's one another way of looking at it. You are cheating the system.
212-209-2950. Let's load up these phone lines because we have some really great packages here
to give away for people who call in. But again, I got to point out, it's not about getting free
things in the mail. It's not about, you know, calling to get a hat or whatever. It's calling
to keep the station going. We don't have commercials. If we had commercials, well,
we wouldn't be on the air. I can guarantee you that because there would be no sponsor
that would let us say the things that we say. Nobody's going to sponsor a hacker show. Remember
what we made you say last pledge drive, Isaac? What did you make me say last? We made you say
that Microsoft sucks. Well, I dare to say that again. I did that for the station. All right.
Listen, why is he like Microsoft? If we get one more call, I don't like Microsoft, but I don't
see what everyone has a problem with them. All right. Let's see if we can light up the phone
lines with people who are pledged. If you say Microsoft sucks. Yeah. All right. I'll do that.
Say Microsoft sucks now. Let's see if we get a phone call and I'll keep it up. Well, you know,
you'll say Microsoft sucks more if more people call in. So as a good natured attempt right now
to say, yeah, go ahead. For WBAI. Say it like you mean it. Microsoft sucks. All right. So far,
no calls. If more people give money, he'll say it with fail. There's a call. There's a call.
I got a call for that one. No, I should point out. I see the light flashing. I see another
light flashing. These lights have to stay on, meaning that these people are actually giving
pledges, right? Calling in and say, hey, I mean, Isaac, say Microsoft sucks. All right. We have we
have six calls, six calls on the line. So apparently a lot of people are saluting you for your courage
in taking that stand. You know, there are people on other continents. There are people on other
continents that have tuned in. I mean, megathons aren't the most exciting thing on the planet.
I'll give you that. You know, that's true. There are people from other continents tuning into this
megathon. That's that's saying something. It is. You know, absolutely. Two one two two zero nine
two nine five zero is our phone number. We've got pounds, marks and euros. Do we have any euros?
You know, we talked about this last time. I'm not really sure how that's where I don't think
they have the currency out yet, but they're they're trading. The banks are doing things
in Europe. They're playing with the euro, but no one has it. I don't think so, because if you go
over there now, you'll still get the old currency. OK, that's that's pretty much what I think happens
two one two two zero nine two nine five. I'll join the four calls on the line and you'll get
to hear Isaac say Microsoft sucks more. You'll get to hear him say it even more. So we got a good
response from the last one. Here's some more calls coming in. This is how this is for the listeners
and for the station. I will I will. I don't care what K-Rock and Z100 say. We know what people want
to hear. People want to hear you say Microsoft sucks. All right. Let me give you a quick story.
I'm on several hundred radio stations nationwide for 60 seconds a day, 60 seconds with a
technology update. Right. I got a call from a station the other day. It says, Laszlo, we're not
running you anymore. And I said, why? And they said, we got bought. We got bought by one of the
big companies and their policy is if we don't own it, don't run it, because if you're running
something else, then that revenue is going outside of the company. Now, you see here at this radio
station, we are not owned. We are all individuals. The radio station does not own us. We talk about
things that are important, things that matter, things that are of interest to our listeners.
And I think I'd be remiss if I didn't touch upon some things, obviously, that were of interest to
our listeners has been a lot of a lot of activity, a lot of talk about Pacifica, you know, and
conflicts with the station and things like that. I've heard people say that the way to respond to
this, the way to respond to to Pacifica having differences with with some programmers and some,
in fact, some radio stations is to not support the station is to just simply walk away and say,
I'm boycotting. I'm boycotting the station. I'm not going to support the station.
Now, I'm all in favor of, you know, talking about this as much as it needs to be talked about. And
it should be. And I don't think anybody here at this radio station is going to shy away from that
and and pretend things aren't happening because we'd be real hypocrites if we did that. In fact,
you know, tomorrow, there's a demonstration outside the radio station that I think 530
to support one of the shows on this radio station that is is in danger, that is potentially in
danger. Democracy. Now it's a whole big controversy. You can read about it on
safe pacifica dot org. Why is it in trouble? There's a whole big thing. If we have time,
we can get into it. But my point is, we have people showing up who care about a radio program,
one program on a station. All right. These people care. These are our listeners. They they really
give a crap about the station. All right. So how can you say if you if you care about
the radio station that you won't support it because someone else is trying to do something
bad to it? You know, that's that's that's wrong. You have to support the station so that the
station is there so you can defend it. If you don't support the radio station, somebody else
will. We have a 50000 watt radio station in the middle of the FM dial in New York City.
If every single listener decided, hey, you know, I don't like what Pacific is doing,
I'm going to drop out. Well, gee whiz, what do you think is going to happen? You think,
you know, the station just going to say, OK, yeah, you win. No, the station will go to somebody
who can support it and the listeners will be seen as being irrelevant, totally irrelevant.
And that's that's if you have a significant effect. And if you don't have a significant
effect, then you've lost again because the station will survive regardless of what you say.
Now, it's it's a lot like voting, because if you support the radio station, if you pledge money,
you are voting and you've earned a right to say something about the station because you're a part
of it. You're one of our sponsors. And we want to hear from the people who sponsor this radio
station. 212-209-2950. Pledge to the radio station. Keep the radio station going. Keep it strong.
And whatever whatever is happening down the road, we will deal with it together.
But it's very important. Nobody jumps off the ship. It's it's it's frightfully important.
I'll be at the demonstration tomorrow. I'm sure a lot of people will be there to voice support for
the great programs that are on this radio station. And I think it can be a very positive thing.
And I think a lot of people at this radio station, including management people, care.
You know, I don't want to see this whole big union management thing develop unless it has to,
unless people actually are doing really bad things. But I think there's a lot of people on
both sides who really get it. And you can't just you know, you can't just ignore that.
You can't be all divisive. It's extremely important that people support the radio
station. Keep it here no matter no matter what you may hear. Thank you very much.
Let me rattle off a phone number for you real quick. If you want to throw a $5 bill at
Pacifica Radio, it's 212-209-2950.
And we have some more people to thank. We want to thank Dino from Brooklyn
and Steve from New York, George from College Park, Maryland, and Sub Level Inceptions.
Whoa.
Of Brooklyn. I'm not sure what that is, but it sounds really cool.
Are you taking corporate money, Emmanuel?
I don't think that's a corporation.
I don't know. Well, you know, if I see Microsoft down here, I'll simply,
I won't read their name, but I don't think they're going to call up.
And Tierra from Oak Ridge, New Jersey. Thanks so much for the for the pledges.
They're really helpful. And again, to all those people out there,
the radio station is one of a kind in New York. You won't find anything like it.
You won't find a place like this where issues matter, issues of all sorts,
whether they're issues right here in the station, issues in Tibet.
You know, you hear so much in a broadcast day on this radio station
that you can't put a price on that. You absolutely cannot put a price on that.
We're up to $1,865 total.
And let me point out a 60 second commercial in Boston, $6,000.
Amazing.
$6,000. And this time from since you started this show up, we have $1,865.
Folks, these are your airwaves. You know, these people are making all this money on your airwaves
because the airwaves belong to the public. It's part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
You know, that's how it works.
Except it doesn't really work that way in practice.
Unfortunately, it's you know, the license turns into a property right to a frequency.
And I no longer subscribe to that theory.
You know, when I when I saw their true colors, the true colors of the of the NAB,
National Association of Broadcasters and agencies like like National Public Radio,
where they actually consider people running 10 watt radio stations in their communities to be
a threat to their mega megawatt stations.
You realize it's it's not about fairness. It's about greed.
It's about, you know, keeping their voice predominant.
It's about, you know, NPR having a station every five miles.
Of course, commercial band.
I drove down to South Carolina last week.
There's an NPR. I was never out of range of an NPR station.
The entire I could listen to.
See, I don't mind that so much.
But I do mind the overlap where I live.
I can get six different NPR stations.
And, you know, every single one of those NPR stations
means that that's one less community station that's on the air.
212-209-2950.
Please give us a call now.
We only have one call on the line.
We're over 2,500 bucks.
That's not bad.
I'm catching up with all the figures.
What do you got there?
I got some more cards here.
I'd like to thank Junits, who regular at the 2600 meters.
Yes, yes.
He's the guy who coordinates all our broadcasting on the Internet.
So the fact that this guy, you know,
loses sleep coordinating our broadcast so people in Europe can hear us.
He's working hard to keep us.
He pledges on top of that.
That is simply unbelievable.
Thanks so much to him.
He's a great guy.
Greg from Atlantic Highlands.
Where's that?
New York.
There's a place called Atlantic Highlands in New York?
Sounds like they make scotch there.
Sounds like something in Scotland.
He also wants to have us announce that Ralph Nader Super Rally
in Washington, D.C. on the 5th of November.
Really?
And, you know, there's two days before Election Day.
And, you know, there's trains that run down there, from what I understand.
Yeah, mass transit.
Amazing.
What a time to be alive.
Jeff from Sayville, New York.
No, Sayreville, New York.
I'm sorry.
Sayreville?
Sayreville.
I think it's probably Sayville.
What's the area code?
732.
That's New Jersey.
That's New Jersey?
Yeah, you dimwit.
That's New Jersey.
Nika from New York, New York.
Okay.
And Christopher from West Seneca.
Okay, folks.
This is the only show we're going to be doing during this marathon.
The marathon is winding down.
So we do need your call.
We need your call now.
212-209-2950.
We have several packages.
We have the $75 package, where you'll get the Jell-O-Bee Offer keynote videotape from H2K.
You'll get an H2K hat.
You'll get the Jell-O-Bee Offer CD.
And you'll also get some stickers.
Everybody pledging $25 or more will get the Jell-O-Bee Offer CD and the stickers.
Everybody who pledges will get stickers.
And for those of you who want everything for $200, you get every single video from H2K.
It'll take you well over a full day without sleep to look at it all,
because there's so much that happened that weekend.
You can have some friends over, make some popcorn.
$200, every single video, and also the H2K hat and the CD and the stickers.
And then you'll have a question.
What do you think a lot of people get their news from?
Well, you know, I think everybody gets the news from the same place,
namely the Associated Press, I think, because everybody reads the same thing.
No, in the morning, when people wake up, go to work, how do people get their news?
The Joe and Phil Morning Show.
They basically listen to one of these, you know, stupid people on the radio.
They listen to the radio.
There are markets.
You don't say towns, you say markets.
Markets.
Right, because...
You don't say people either.
What do you say?
Consumers.
Target audience.
There are cities where all the news stations are owned by one company.
And this is one of them.
Yay!
Do you know that?
WCBS and WINS are owned by the same people.
And WFAN too.
Yeah, they compete with each other.
And this is the thing I can never understand.
In fact, this happens inside Warner Brothers.
If anybody works for Warner Brothers, please let me know how this works.
But they have all these different, you know, organizations that do the same thing.
And they compete with each other.
And they call it competition.
And they take it very seriously.
But they're owned by the same people.
And a lot of times, their studios are right next door to each other.
That's right.
You know, the people who do the morning shows at Hot 97 and Kiss FM,
they're owned by the same people.
They pass each other in the hallways.
You know, you think you're listening to competing people.
They put each other down, maybe.
Who knows?
They're the same people.
Now, you know, it's one thing to have someone, you know,
take over a spot on an airwave and just use it to make money.
But when they start taking over all of the airwaves,
you know, what do we do about this?
And we've handed it away.
People just like, ah, whatever.
Yeah.
You know, I won't pick up the phone and give 10 bucks to be AI.
I live in fear of...
You look like you're living in fear.
I always live in fear.
But I live in fear of the day when, you know,
we are no longer a match for corporate America,
where they can just come in and say,
we want this frequency.
You guys get out of here.
You know, and we become...
What kind of music isn't played yet?
Light country FM?
I don't know.
I'm sure they'll figure something out that'll appeal.
And it'll be a very successful place,
and they'll make millions of dollars.
Or we can keep this place here by supporting it.
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It's a really, really rare thing.
You might notice that a lot of radio stations
that are non-commercial are sort of relegated
to the ghetto below 92.
We're right smack dab in the middle of 99.5.
We're right in your face right there.
99.5, you can't get more in the middle than that.
Thing is, below 92,
the technical specs aren't quite as strict.
You can have stations, you know,
interfering with each other a lot more than above 92.
They space out the stations more.
And just go down the dial,
and you'll see how that works.
So we basically...
We have a commercial frequency,
but we're using it for non-commercial purposes.
And I think that's a really good thing to do.
It's a very rare thing to do.
If you go into almost any other city in this country,
you won't find something like that.
So that's why it's especially important to preserve that.
This radio station reaches so many people.
It gets out to Connecticut, and to New Jersey,
and Pennsylvania, and New York, and Long Island,
and all over the place,
and the rest of the world through the internet.
People realize what a valuable resource it is.
It's unique, and be a part of it.
When people come and visit the place,
they say, you know,
I wish I had a station like this where I live.
And what do you say to people like that?
You know, it's...
Why don't you have a radio station like this where you live?
It's because the spectrum has been given away.
And how do we get it back?
That's something we're going to be tackling.
And how many radio stations go around talking about
how to, you know, take over frequencies and radio stations?
Pirate radio.
I don't even like calling it pirate radio
because, you know, I think the true pirates
are the ones who have taken it over.
And the people trying to broadcast,
you know, free speech information
and various other things at low power,
I don't consider those to be pirates.
I consider them to be victims.
Yeah, but the imagery is so fun.
You know, guys with patches and parrots.
R.M.E.G.
Yeah, you know, peg legs and stuff like that.
I don't think people with patches and pirates...
Parrots.
Pirates with parrots and patches.
I don't think they...
Did you say that three times?
They like to broadcast very much.
No, they don't.
If they did, they would be relegated to these 10-watt stations.
If they did, they'd probably be on a morning show
with, like, IMAX or whatever.
Arr, here comes some Johnny Cash.
Yeah, in fact, he wears sunglasses all the time.
I think he probably has an iPad.
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Those are the digits.
Okay, all right.
Let's see what we have to do here.
Eddie and Blackbeard in the morning.
Well, we do have six calls,
so maybe it's not that important.
But I do want people to realize that, you know, we're...
The end is near.
I'm not giving away crap here, okay?
We're giving away some good stuff.
And you pay for this stuff.
That's what kills me, is that Emanuel pays for this stuff
and gives it away so people give donations.
Well, the way I look at it, it's the very least we can do
because, you know, this place is a valuable resource.
You know, it gives us a voice.
We've had so many of our stories get out over the air.
The whole fiber optic thing.
Where'd he go?
Fiber, come back here.
He disappeared into the lobby.
This next piece actually has to do with him a little bit.
Fiber, Bernie, ask Kevin Mitnick and, you know,
unfortunately, all the stories of the future
that we don't yet know about.
I'm sure we'll be talking about here.
But imagine if this place wasn't here,
we wouldn't be able to talk about it.
All right.
You know the name Robert Steele, right?
Yes.
And Robert Steele, a former CIA operative
who gave the keynote address at the first Hope,
also gave a couple of talks at H2K,
including this impromptu talk
that took place late at night.
And basically, he just talked for two hours.
That thing was amazing.
Everybody loved that.
I've got to send that to my father.
Yeah.
So this is part of a two hour videotape
of the many events that took place at H2K.
He had that room packed too.
He sure did.
Here's a few minutes of some of the back and forth
on the Robert Steele question and answer
with a very fascinated audience.
You'll get this for a pledge of $200
and you'll get everything else that happened at H2K.
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Please call while this is playing.
90% of the value of signals intelligence
is not from decrypting the message.
It's from pattern analysis.
Okay.
90% of the value of signals is from pattern analysis.
If you all of a sudden see a new set of signals
going between North Korea and Miami, Florida,
this is a clue.
Okay.
Pattern analysis is where most of it's at.
The reality is we don't have the time.
We certainly don't have the language skills.
You know, I mean, you want to screw with the U.S. government,
just hold all your conversations in Urdu.
You know, Tamil.
Or Tagalog.
We really stink at foreign languages.
And so what you got to do is you got to get to the point
where a lot of this stuff is either declassified
or it's outsourced to people who speak that language
who can do the translation.
And I've been trying to tell the intelligence community
for years that the private sector
can keep a secret without having a clearance.
I mean, most of us want to be able to earn our money honestly
and to get that money and that client again.
And so we're willing to,
you know, I have people that translate Arabic for me
and Indonesian and things like that.
And they're all over the world when I need them.
And I only pay them for what they do.
And I'm pretty sure they're not posting everything.
And even if they did post what they were translating,
it doesn't matter because it wasn't secret in the first place.
Over here.
Both of you.
No, not you.
You've already asked the question.
You.
You mentioned several times about how there's not
an understanding of what goes on in the culture
of the government agencies.
Is there any practice of trying to marry people
who have some ties to that culture that they're studying?
Or are you just sort of knowing that anybody
who's up for it?
Well, by and large,
if you actually come from that culture
or you're married to someone of that culture,
you're ineligible for a clearance
because you must not be a totally loyal US citizen.
That's our first problem.
Our second problem is that we have this pattern
of hiring from these predominantly white kinds of schools.
And we hire cheap.
My personal feeling is that nobody should be allowed
to work for the CIA as an analyst or a case officer
until they speak the language at the four level
on a scale of five.
Most case officers go out on their first tour
speaking the language at a two level,
which is just enough to be laughed at.
You know, we're not taking this seriously.
We're going through the motions.
I will tell you right now,
I've spoken to the directors of intelligence communities
in 18 different countries around the world
or deputy directors,
and they usually take me to dinner.
And I always ask the question,
how many of our people have you nailed?
In other words,
how many of the people operating
out of the official US facility,
I'm not allowed to say embassy.
That's the only thing CIA took out of my book
was three references to operating out of the US embassy,
which I didn't make.
You guys are getting tired.
I can tell.
I'll stop at midnight or I'll go on as long as you wish.
Okay.
All right.
Good.
Thank you.
I'm glad to be useful.
In every single case,
I have not gotten a direct verbal answer,
but as a highly skilled case officer,
I will tell you the answer is no less than 75%.
You know,
as my 11 year old would say,
if you're going to run spies,
it doesn't make sense to do so out of a known fixed point
where you're bouncing in and out 10,
15 times a day,
spending more money than the ambassador
has in his personal budget,
and you're under 25.
Duh.
Okay.
My personal feeling is fully 75% of our clandestine operations
and probably as much as 90% of most countries in the world
have been compromised.
Those agents are either under control or they're known
and they're simply letting us stay busy.
Clandestine intelligence worldwide is a joke.
And the reason this is dangerous
is because the president of the United States
thinks he has a clandestine service.
Okay.
And that's scary.
I don't want to have any repeat questions.
So let's,
I'll tell you what,
everyone who has asked a question before,
I'll stay as long as you want to answer your question afterwards,
but I want first timers.
Yes, sir.
You and then you and then you going back to domestic spying.
We've read reports going back to domestic spying.
We've read reports on presidential administrations,
presidential administrations,
running,
running operations against individual citizens to find information,
right?
What types of checks are in place to prevent that?
And how do we put those checks in place?
Well, at the federal level,
I think that our federal officers by and large have very high integrity.
Waco may be an exception.
Yeah, I'll tell you,
I was surprised because I went around the country after Waco
and I was expecting people to more or less
feel like the government did what it did.
And it was the Davidians that were wrong.
I was stunned at how many of my middle-class professional counterparts
had a real deep-seated uneasiness with the government.
I mean, this was beyond this group.
This was mainstream,
Main Street,
white-collar professionals.
By and large, though,
I think that one of the good things that's come out of the whistleblowing era
is that first off,
the president's never been in charge of anything.
You know, there's a wonderful book by Richard Neustadt called The Power to Persuade.
And George Shultz has said in testimony in Congress
that nothing's ever decided in Washington.
You have to argue the policy every single day.
But by and large, I think officers of integrity,
certainly Dick Helms and Bill Colby over at CIA were officers of integrity.
They can say no.
At the state and local level, I don't know.
I don't think domestic spying is an issue,
my personal feeling.
On the other hand,
hacker crackdown,
uh, you have field officers out there that are zealous.
They want to get promoted.
You look really evil.
And that scares them because they don't understand you.
And so they'll make a case and they'll go do stuff.
And I think if I were a hacker
with a whole bunch of metal in my body,
wearing really black clothes all the time and colored spiked hair,
and I found out I was under investigation.
Number one, I wouldn't do anything.
I'd be locked up.
And number two, I'd go public immediately.
I would go to the newspapers and I would say,
this is who I am.
And these guys are investigating me.
And here's my wife.
And I invite everybody to come in and make sure there's nothing to find.
Everybody to come in and look at me.
And I would be Little Miss Priss for the next 10 years.
Q. How well it worked for Kevin?
A. Yeah, I don't know the case myself.
What's that?
Q. Fiber.
A. Yeah, fiber is a good one.
My personal opinion, and I have a neighbor that's a Secret Service officer,
and I think Secret Service officers are good, good people.
But I think this guy had his head up his ass.
I mean, fiber is not a threat to national security.
But these people, out of genuine, deep-seated belief
about stuff they don't understand,
think so, and they're willing to tell a judge.
And until you raise the consciousness level,
shit like that's going to happen.
Q. Okay, we missed that one.
Sorry.
It's tough, it really is.
But you'll get the full uncensored version of that.
Fiber, how does it feel knowing you're not a threat to society?
A. Well, it's good to hear.
An interesting point about Mr. Steele is
we first met at the third Computers Freedom and Privacy Conference
in San Francisco a few years ago.
And my initial impression of him was good.
He sounded like, seemed like a level-headed guy at the time.
And the one point that I agreed with him on at the time
was that hackers are a wasted national resource.
And it was on that I met and spoke with him a couple of more times.
When I was in prison, I received what I consider
my agency recruitment letter from Bob Steele.
And the letter was short and to the point
and basically said that it was unfortunate
what I was going through and that there were lots of corporations
and governments who would benefit from your talents.
And that was basically the vein of the letter.
Since then, I've completely lost faith in Bob Steele.
I mean, once he got involved with the purveyor of cyber warfare,
Winshore Town.
Who also is included in this package, all the videos.
There's some Winshore Town material there as well.
But once they got involved and started having these cyber terrorism
and cyber warfare conferences and things like that,
info war and all that business, I completely lost faith in the man.
Well, that's a perspective there.
And basically, people should make up their own minds.
You can get every single video that came out of H2K
by calling us now 212-209-2950.
We have zero calls on the line.
You'll get the two hour Robert Steele question and answer session
that talks about all kinds of other issues as well.
And I don't know.
I think he's got a lot of really interesting things to say
as far as being a former spook.
I mean, this guy's got a history.
He really does.
And he knows a lot of things out there.
It's kind of spooky.
That's what's really great about it.
If you get the tapes and watch them,
so many ex-spooks, ex-spy agents telling all.
And it's just like, it was just riveting.
Yeah.
And, you know, the atmosphere of the audience,
it's like profound respect, I think,
for people like him, for everybody who was speaking at the conference, actually.
They all were really happy with the way they were received, Jello included.
And I just think so much was learned.
And you can continue that learning experience.
You can remember some of the things you saw.
And there's nobody who saw everything.
I know because we were taping things at the same time.
So nobody could have possibly seen everything.
So there's something in here for everyone.
And that's if you call 212-209-2950.
We have three calls on the line right now.
A $200 pledge will get you every single piece of footage of video
that we have from this conference.
We taped, I think, about 85% of all the panels
or some of the second track that we didn't have a camera for.
How many hours of stuff you got?
We're over 20 so far.
I'm not finished yet.
So you could like recreate H2K.
It's your home.
You'd need two VCRs though
because you'd have to have two things going on.
Oh, and you could run from room to room
like everybody was doing in the convention.
Well, you'd have to separate it by like eight floors or something
to make it realistic.
But you know, the next conference,
all the people want to come to 2002,
which is when the next one will be.
We're going to have a lot more as far as space.
We're definitely going to have a lot more space
for people to do things like that.
And we won't have tiny rooms like we had this time
for the second track.
We'll have big rooms.
There are other bigger rooms
that we weren't able to get this time.
We will get them next time.
Are you going to have it at the Javits Center?
No, we're going to have it in the same place.
It went really well there.
Until Pennsylvania?
Yeah, I was pretty happy with that place.
It really was.
Were they happy with us?
Yeah, they were extremely happy with us.
That made me more happy with them.
You know, I just kept building from that.
212, 209, 2950, anytime hackers have a conference
and basically they've been given a bad name
by certain other conferences
where vandalism is kind of the theme.
It doesn't have to be that way.
Here we are in the middle of New York City
and we proved everybody wrong.
We said, hey, people can get together
in this expensive city
where everybody's afraid to walk out on the street
and not cause a problem.
Everybody had a great time.
You know, we got together, kept the cost down
and people learned a lot
and I think a lot of people will be back next time.
Let me thank some people.
Anthony from Pembroke Pines, Florida.
Thanks so much for calling.
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One of those strange sounding towns in Pennsylvania.
Rennsville, Pennsylvania.
Thank you for calling.
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Not even Cleveland, Ohio, but Cleveland, Mississippi.
You want me to look and see if Clear Channel
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Cleveland, Mississippi.
Running out of time, so let's get through this.
Dana from Brooklyn.
Ah, an over the air listener.
Thank you very much for your pledge.
Peter from Woodsley, Ontario.
Neighbors to the north.
You hear they just called an election up in Canada?
I think that's kind of cool
when you just call an election and say,
yeah, you know, there's gonna be an election next month.
You know, they don't go through all the crap
that we go through for a year and a half.
You know, they just, okay, I'm gonna do it next month.
That's what it's all about.
Yeah.
Robert from New York.
Robert, thanks for your pledge.
I'm not sure I'm gonna pronounce this right.
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Thanks for your pledge.
Thanks, guys.
Yeah, that's great.
Are they getting videos?
Yeah, they are getting videos.
They're getting videos.
They're getting videos and a little bit more too, I think.
Not bad.
Yeah, thanks for that.
I gotta make it to one of the Maryland meetings.
I've never been to that.
I've been to DC, but not Maryland,
which I guess is Baltimore.
We've been to Philly too.
Yeah.
I gotta travel around some more, you know,
see some of these other meetings.
They have trains that go down there.
They have trains that go there too?
What's with the trains?
This is amazing.
Because he won't take mass transportation.
Listen, coming from the island,
the LIRR is like, you know, the worst invention.
I came from the island.
Yeah, but you came from the island like a few feet away.
I came from the island, like, you know, many, many miles.
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That's Bernice's girlfriend.
Rich the Rebel.
Rich the Rebel from Queens.
Well, let's see if that pledge goes through,
Rich the Rebel, and then maybe we can lift that little band.
You think we can, yeah, you think we can
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We're gonna see.
Okay.
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