Putting the entire justice system in the hands of criminal informants is a part of it. Phil Jordan, 30 years with DEA. One of my colleagues, Sal Martinez, also 9 years with the Drug Enforcement Administration. I'm fortunately about to go into prison. I thank both of you guys so much. I think it's a very important show that you... And thank you very much for that show. We're over time here. It's 8 o'clock. You're listening to WBAI in New York. And it's time now for another exciting edition of Off The Hook. Oh, I found this good. I'm gonna be smart. And it's Emmanuel Goldstein here with you for another edition of Off The Hook. Just got in, so give us a moment to get our act together. We're gonna have some interesting news updates on things that happened today. As well as a bunch of other things. Stay tuned. We'll be right back. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. 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All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. P. There you go. It's correct. Exit one. For the next name, press two. Or name... Doona Taylor. Is correct. Barbara Herman. Tracy Thomas. All right. I think I've made the point. Anyway, you can have all kinds of fun reporting piracy to that number, 1-800-No Copies. Actually, they spell copies wrong. C-O-P-Y-S. It should be C-O-P-I-E-S. It's like Dunkin' Donuts? But listen to this. Callers who provide information that leads to the arrest and conviction of persons engaged in video piracy May be eligible for a reward. Maybe Okay Even if it leads to the arrest of conviction, it's still still not home home free yet, you know certain other qualifications a Separate reward will be paid to the first person who provides the location of a pirate video lab Okay, kids, you know where a pirate video lab is. Do you know what a pirate video lab is? Okay. Well, you know, what do you think a pirate video lab is? How would you define one? I have no idea Well, come on use your imagination two VCRs sitting on top of one another two VCRs sitting on top of one That's that's that's woefully incorrect. Isaac. Oh, I'm so woefully incorrect. Let me swing the mic over here Carl. Do you have yep? Yes Okay, what's it? What's a video piracy lab? It's a large building all glass roofs and windows and lots of green lights and The gas generator. Oh, no, wait a minute. That's that doesn't sound like a video piracy lab. It sounds like a university. I've done No, no, no You want to try one more time Isaac? No, I'm going to stick with my How many do you think it really takes to be a video pirate or more two or more that's a good guess But it's totally wrong. All right Three poor chap, how about you? Well, I guess you have a incoming signal from someplace else. All I need is one You want to go down in number a single VCR. You can make a video piracy lab. No. Well, there's those dual VCRs No, no, no. No, okay a the pirate lab must consist of 30 or more VCRs at one location used to produce unauthorized copies of MPA a member company motion pictures. So you have to be a member of the MPAA first So if you're copying independent films, you're okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's they're not gonna touch you then But also if if and this might be a tip to the piracy labs out there if you have 29 VCRs You're not a piracy. I all said okay. Yeah, I guess you'd need 28 though because you're an underfunded piracy lab or I Don't know but they they they won't touch anything that consists of less than 30 more VCRs according to what I'm reading here so yeah, so you get the separate reward if you find a video a pirate video lab, but Again, if it has less than 30 VCRs, you're not alone. Oh, you're guaranteed an award You may get an award if you lead to the arresting conviction of somebody Okay, but if you're in a video piracy lab, yeah. Okay. Yeah, they want to track down in piracy video labs as well But they have to have 30 VCRs. Okay, doesn't say anything about 30 working VCRs. They could just have a stack of Yeah, in fact, you know any department stores by this definition any department store could be a PC Richards, that's right So, you know video piracy operations and all you got to do is prove they copied one film that's member of an MPAA No, no Do you have to use all 30 VCRs or can you just use VCRs one and two to make a single copy? It doesn't really say there's all kinds of little loopholes here Information may also be furnished by email if directed to the email hotline at the MPAA in Encino, California Informants may remain anonymous if requested, but good luck Good luck remaining anonymous these days. So that's that's the latest from from from that corner Wait a second. Wasn't there something didn't Jack? Well, it was I think we check one day. He said something that uh, there was nothing about Remaining anonymous on the internet. That was never a right that was not something we should have That was the guy from Seagram's last week It turns out it turns out now. Everybody knows this guy He's also a part of Universal Pictures because Seagram's owns Universal. I didn't know this You see I'm paranoid as hell But I still didn't know that Seagram's owned Universal and that you know There's a whiskey company or whatever it is that they sell that was, you know behind the lawsuit as well So now these guys are saying that anonymity is is the enemy, you know It must be regulated and stopped because anonymity is only used for crimes So I I think the Supreme Court would disagree with him on that. Yeah We'll just have to see then because it might very well wind up there all right, that's time for phone calls 2 1 2 2 0 9 2 900 is our phone number and I guess here's a here's interesting bit of information, you know about the whole cyber squatting thing that's going on You know, the cyber squatting laws in effect now where well Here in the States here in the States and that's what Verizon is trying to trying to sue us under for having Verizon really sucks Who isn't suing you? Not that I know of if anyone isn't suing us Please send us a letter saying a nice certified letter saying you have no intention of suing us. That would be kind of nice But here's here's an example of what I considered true cyber squatting Julia Roberts won a legal battle to prevent anyone else using her name as an internet domain name Well, unless the name is Julia Roberts, you know, you can't really you can't really say that that's that's you know What if it's Julianne Roberts? The point is Julia Roberts is is a name and you can have that name if you have that name You've already right to have the site if it isn't taken already. Anyway, the World Intellectual Property Organization. It's something that scares me Granted Roberts exclusive rights to her name It's not nice of them after she filed a complaint against u.s. Cyber Squatter Russell Boyd No matter how you look at it. Russell Boyd does not translate to Julia Roberts a Cyber Squatter is and it's according to I believe the Associated Press or maybe Reuters doesn't say here well a cyber squatter is someone who Registers the names of famous people or companies and sells them for a high fee to their rightful owner That's I don't like the their rightful owner part. Yeah. Well, there's there's that but that that has that's fairly problem I don't like people that do that. I don't like people that take something and then hold it and say oh, yeah I'm gonna because they're not doing anything of value All they're doing is getting there first and and and holding it for ransom at least when we get there first We do something fun with it, you know And we don't have any intention all the all the sites we have They are not for sale no matter what no matter how cool they sound they're not for sale So go ahead try offering us a million dollars for we're not gonna take it. Go ahead. Try I dare you and And sites are selling Porsche have you showed me a list of sites? Yeah, did you get that list? There's a list of safe and great domains calm great domains. That's a good name. Yeah, that's a good name I like to sell that for a couple but uh One I think was loans calm Who wants to fathom a guess at how much loans calm went for? Well, I wouldn't pay any more than 70 bucks for two years. I'll tell you that. Yeah Well, apparently someone bought it for three million now That just tells me No, it just tells me there's too much money out there in the wrong hands All right people that actually spend three million dollars for a little dot-com name Well, this is advertising again where dollar amounts are, you know, anything under six digits is low Yeah, it's it's ridiculous. Anyway, this person Russell Boyd a dealer and famous names This is what you get you get dealers and famous names with this kind of attitude Was the first person to register the pretty woman stars title as the web address Julia Roberts calm But the white pose arbitration panel ruled that Roberts had common-law trademark rights on her name and that boy had no rights Or a legitimate interest in the domain name The Hollywood actress is just one of 531 claimants from 52 countries to have filed similar complaints with white bow Got a wonder what the other ones are wonder if Verizon is one of them Didn't they say actors and this is wrong too. Anyone can register a website address in the US for $100 Well, yeah, I guess anyone could do that But you can also get them for as little as $10 and I don't know anybody that charges 100 Well, you get two years and like almost the third year. Yeah, something like that Sports entertainment names are figuring more and more prominently according to white bow trademarks are Trademarking is really branding which is worth a lot of money. We understand through these cases the commercial interest of an identity Board was ordered to transfer Julia Roberts calm back to the actress within 45 days and Should be interesting Should be interesting how that goes again. We have Verizon really sucks that that calm I don't think anyone's gonna be confused with that belonging to Verizon, but we'll see. We'll see what happens All right. Let's take some phone calls to one two, two zero nine two nine Let's take some phone calls to one two, two zero nine two nine hundred that's Let's go over there. Good evening. You're on the air Hi, Emmanuel, Chana. How are you? What's up? Okay. Yeah, I've got a little thing. That's actually a reverse of the Julia Roberts Thing well sort of I was reading actually in a red herring, you know that annoying IPO magazine type thing No, I missed that one. Okay. Well, they're annoying but it's all about venture capital and you know buying lots of calm things so anyway You've calm. I don't know if you've heard of Eve unless you're wearing lots of makeup But it's a cosmetic site for women and they wanted to have the name Eve calm when they started They realized the website was registered to a get this six-year-old girl in Michigan. Oh gee. Yeah named Eve Well that that ought to be easy. Well turns out what happened is they decided to make her a shareholder in Eve calm and apparently she's got quite a trust fund happening now Yeah, as long as she had the right to say no, you know, that's all I care about I would guess she had a right to say no But I think you know being a six-year-old and having probably parents who might be interested in a lot of money Mm-hmm, you know, I'm sure Eve would have probably bought them out What's amazing is I don't know how many people remember Several years ago when it was free to register sites, right people are interested in all kinds of things all kinds of really cool-sounding names We're belonging to hackers. Now. How did all these names get into the hands of you know, a commercial America? I mean, maybe they they did they buy the hackers? I don't know maybe so maybe they intimidated them I don't know I'd like to hear some stories out there but I hear lots of intimidating stories about how people have names that a corporation wants and it just Threaten them lots of times that letter is enough, you know that that legal threat especially if you're living with your parents or something and you get a letter from you know, Some mega corporation saying they're gonna sue you if you don't give them what they want, you know Parents are gonna say give them what they want. We don't need you know, whatever calm About that, oh by the way, did you know about RIAA with mp3 board? No, tell us about that. Oh No, I'm actually this is on one of Declan's mailing list It's not the RIA has actually filed a suit against mp3 board comm for hyperlinking Great. Yeah 2600 it's not lonely anymore. No, there's been a lot of linking issues brought up recently and that's that's that's pretty scary So anyway, all right. All right. Thanks. Thanks for thanks for calling Going to two zero nine two nine hundred you're shaking your head in disbelief Isaac. Not well more dismay than this. No, that's disbelief Okay. Yeah That's dismay. Okay. This is just yeah, you got another difference. But yeah, it's it's it's getting a mirror here So I could you it's getting crazy out there really is getting crazy. Well, I mean it's getting more What's the word litigious? Is that the word? Yeah litigious, that's that you know, everyone's suing everyone. Hey everything Yeah over over things that we always did and it was not a big deal back when the internet was fun You know, you'd link to whatever it is You wanted to link to and nobody said anything because how could you you know? It's ridiculous. All right, let's take another phone call. Good evening. You're on the air Well, how you doing? Um My initials happen to spell out Pez So would the Pez company actually sue me if I registered a name well I don't think I guess you didn't register the name because they must have it by now But I was gonna register a foreign site. Uh-huh. See that's the thing I don't think they have any jurisdiction over foreign sites. I don't see how they could world Oh, yeah, the world thing the WIPO WTO all that. Yeah, I guess that that's one way of extending the reach There there there you are They're your initials, right? They really are your initials. Yep. So go register it. All right, and did you know that Verizon now has? Denmark site Registered and I think a Canadian site and a France site Wow They have spent so much money in fact some division that budget and they're just like burning it Yeah, and in the new issue of 2600 you will see every single site we could find that they registered There are a lot of sites other people registered as well. But these are the ones they were and some of them are pretty funny Some of them really are I'll give you one over the Verizon calm. What do you think of that Isaac over the over the Verizon calm? That's no, it sucks. It's terrible. It's stupid. It's corny. It's over the horizon over the horizon. Yeah What the hell's a Verizon? Yeah, it sure is. Anyway, thanks for that call Well, I mean you can't get Zenith. No, didn't they go under where they bought out? I Don't know we're not here to talk about the fate of corporations. All right, it's all about the fate of individuals It doesn't look good right now Let's go over here. Good evening. You're on the air All right, that was interesting. Let's try over here. Good evening. You're on the air Speak up, please. Yeah. Hi. Yes, go ahead Yeah, go ahead, okay, I was I was saying to my 12 year old I said listen, I you know We have an app store on our PC. I said if you have dr. Dre or Metallica you should delete them because I had read a Newsweek that they delivered a box With I don't know 30,000 users names or something. Try 300,000 300 My real name and that kind of stumped me I said, I don't know maybe from the IP number How do they do that? I know they put something in the registry of your system that makes it impossible for your sit Unless you get in there and and and use some kind of editing utility to to get rid of that you can't register with Napster anymore and that's that's you know, fulfilling the wishes of Metallica, well, you have to go into regedit You have to nuke that key and then you can't use the account or the email address to the account anymore Do you realize what you've just done Isaac? What have I done? You've helped people Rip off people these poor starving rock rock stars. All right that that that want their want their music to be You just did you said that going to regedit people right now are doing this everywhere around the world They're going to regedit. What's the next step again? It I didn't tell you how to use regedit What was the portion you have to edit out the key edit out the key, right? They're doing that and then they're not using the same email address right and can use the same IP Yeah, yeah the same IP but different email just so people are doing that and you're helping I'm not helping anyone shame on you I'm just putting out the information Well, you should be helping you should be helping because it's it's all nonsense. All right, two one two two zero nine two nine hundred Good evening. You're on the air. I have a feeling this is rebel Good evening, sir. How did I know? You can tell No, you've called me why we just haven't picked up in a while. All right, make it quick what's on your mind I Said what's on your mind? I want to make this as brief as possible You notice that too, huh? Yeah. Well, is there somebody you want to blame? Guess not This is how I like to hear rebel, you know the effect Yeah, what what what service are you using rebel Yeah, that's that's that's that's good doesn't Turn to two zero nine two nine hundred. What's up? We have open lines. Usually all the lines are full We only have about five or six lines lit what's going on out there people. Come on I mean we have listeners all over the world, right? So those of you up in Canada, give us a call those of you overseas Okay, the United States to give us a call country code 1 2 1 2 2 0 9 2 900 Let's try this one. Good evening. You're on the air. Oh How you doing? I'm all right I'm having a debate with my brother-in-law not much of a debate a discussion on the whole idea of mp3 and We were thinking about the fact that CD sales are really not down from what I hear they're actually up that's right and We like the idea of being able to preview tracks from artists. We've never heard of And then we can actually make a decision. Well, maybe I'll go out and buy the CD So in my mind, this is actually going to help the music industry in a lot of ways Because as you know, if you go to um, you know Barnes & Noble or if you go a Tower Records or Virgin You know, they have these listening stations, which are great But they only have a certain limited amount of CDs that they put up on listening Yeah, it's never anything I want to listen to right and it you know It'd be great if you could just pull anything out of the stock But even then if they don't stock it, even if you could pull it out and say hey, I want to hear this Whereas on the internet, you know, you could really pull up not only things that you know things that are Small labels or independent labels where you could just email them and order it, right? That's the real potential of this Napster thing And that's that's that's why I like it because you can do things like that many times I've been on the phone with somebody and I say hey, you know This is band that sounds really good and I hold the phone up to the speaker and play them some things and then they're interested And how could I do that? Otherwise because I don't have I don't happen to have that particular CD and even if I did I'd have to walk over to where The CD player is and that's that's a real pain So it's a good way to communicate there are just so many artists out there who independently produce their own CDs and have no way of marketing them That's that's definitely true. And I think that The record industry is kind of overreacting and I know about the RIAA there's god there's about a dozen labels that have all joined in that suit and it seems to me that they they eventually will probably have to give up a certain amount of their Chutzpah about this because there's only so much they can do to control it and I don't think I think a lot of artists who are overreacting to it Also don't understand their own fans because I'm not going to Say if I can download a few live tracks for my favorite artists It doesn't mean I'm not going to go out and buy their next live CD or go to the next concert or the next concert All right In fact, it may prompt me to buy even more of their their material And I think we bootlegs in the past have actually forced artists to release those materials commercially and they made money from them Mm-hmm It's you know The thing that makes it also hypocritical is they don't complain when someone plays music on the radio and maybe a million people are listening You know, they're not getting it not getting any money from that They have them on Saturday night or something and everybody's watching but nobody is paying Because you know, they work it out with you know They have the control the record companies have control over over what song gets played when and when people start taking that control and they Decide what song they want to play and when that's all of a sudden a threat, you know It's a threat to the status quo. Each recording device has also been attacked I remember before chrome tapes the high-quality recording tapes came out There was a fight about that because they didn't want people to have a high-quality copy of a record that they could bootleg Yeah, you've seen it with every advancing technology. I think that's CDs. That's CDs. That's you know DVDs everything But they've lost each one Adopted and they wind up making lots of money But unfortunately, you can't force an industry to make a good business move and I would think well first there are ways There are ways of consumer power forcing, you know Either either you go ahead and do something consumers want or you don't and then you just don't survive I would imagine at the first label that starts really releasing this stuff and supporting the format would probably win big I think so just quickly before I go they might be Giants Released an album called long tall weekend and it's only available on mp3. You have to order it. You have to buy it I don't know how they set this up. I'm assuming the quality is excellent Interesting, but you actually have you can't get the CD. It's not available on CD It's all these new tracks that came out like last year the year before They haven't had a real regular CD release since 96 and I actually kind of was annoyed by that I'm like, what about people who don't have access to a computer they and they like the band and they can't get the CD But it's kind of elitist in a way. It is kind of elitist. That's that's true. That's another aspect to it. Okay Thanks for the call Yeah, yes girl Independent labels aren't members the RAA So there's really no incentive, you know, they're all not members of recording industry like the MPA You only have certain studios who are member companies Interesting. Yes All right, let's take another phone call two one two two zero nine two nine hundred Good evening. You're on the air Yes, let's take your phone away from the radio, okay I'd like to represent a minority opinion on this subject. Go ahead I'm a singer songwriter. Uh-huh, and I've been a member of ASCAP for 20 years and I think Emanuel you said something inaccurate and I know it's a precedent setting but I Think didn't you just say that when they sing on Saturday night live, they don't get paid Well, they get paid by Saturday night. They control it. I guess something else. What's that? Like as a member of ASCAP, my songs are registered with them and if I had a song that was sung on Saturday Night Live, I would get money for that because ASCAP monitors and BMI monitors The TV the radio they don't they don't monitor BAI right because they don't make money It's not a commercial radio and they don't really monitor NPR Monitor NPR, but they do monitor Commercial TV and radio and the artist the writer gets a Mechanical called the mechanical So that was not accurate Well, my point was that somebody has to decide to put that artist on Saturday night Somebody has to decide what song to play on Saturday night and the people that are deciding that are the ones that control what music Individuals start making that kind of decision. That's when people get nervous Okay on the other subject, you know, I have mixed feelings about this, you know Because like I'm getting ready to release my own CD in around two months and it cost me oodles of money over the years to pay musicians to go to studio, you know, it's expensive and You know, my whole career has been like out-of-pocket out-of-pocket out-of-pocket and the only way I'm going to be collecting My investment. I mean, we're not even talking profit. We're talking about making back the money I've laid out is to be selling my CDs and while I'm not, you know Whitney Houston or blah blah blah blah blah, you know, I Do intend to sell my CDs and every time somebody dubs it You know that money out of my pocket and yet I can't claim that I've never dubbed Yeah, except for the fact that well, first of all, do you have your own record label or are you going through something else? Okay When somebody dubs your your material first of all, they're not necessarily going to buy it if they don't dub it second of all By dubbing it there. They're playing it for somebody else. They're they're helping you with your exposure record companies do the same thing They they send promotional copies all over the place to get people to listen and they push certain things If you have your fans out there doing that for you Pushing your music and exposing you to various places other people are going to hear it and they're going to buy it There's no question about that. Mm-hmm, but that's a business choice that she has to make Well, it is You know, it's not cut and dried, you know, it's not a cut and dried thing and and Mm-hmm, you know, you know I guess my rationale for like like I have a lot of singer-songwriter friends who put out their own CDs I do not dub their CDs, you know I will pay and when I want a friend to hear it, I will buy another seat, you know, because that's their bread and butter I you know, especially political musicians And I think I think a lot of fans understand that a lot of fans would do just that to support you Look at the Grateful Dead, you know, they they had all their concerts They let people tape things and trade things freely, but they still their fans supported them But the Grateful Dead were a mega, you know, they were they were good guys, but they were a mega business, too Oh, yeah, of course. They're the most extreme example of that. You know, I'm talking about, you know independent small fry You know artists trying to you know And that's one of the beauties of the internet these days is that you're not so beholden to the moguls Who make all the decisions? You know, but but the flip side of that to consider is particularly, you know When you have artists who are the kind of artists who would be played on BAI, right because they're doing political stuff I mean, you know unless you're doing alternative rock if you're trying to do like political jazz or political, you know other genres It is like Very hard, of course, and how do you think you're going to get your music distributed? It's not going to be from these record companies is not going to be from radio stations Right and and that's what you have to do you have to distribute it and and get it out there on the net But Emanuel appreciate that, you know Like let's say if if like my whole CD Was put up in a like a Napster context Then how would I recoup? My investment well because first of all when it's when it's on mp3, it's not as good as CD It's close, but it's not as good as CD quality Second of all a true fan wants the real CD and I speak as a true fan of many artists I will always want the real thing rather than something I download over the net and third There are so many more people that will hear your music as a result of it being distributed in this manner That the percentages will just you know The explanation is then maybe they'll be more inclined to come to a live performance because they heard you on the end Yeah But you have you have to get your name out there somehow and since you don't have and I'm glad you don't the the big Mega corporations pushing your music and and forcing people to play it on certain stations You're gonna get people coming to you just because they like your music and if they really like your music They'll want to support it You have to believe in fans that much that they will they will actually be there for you Well, I I just think there needs to be some acknowledgment sometimes and I'll end on this note that the left You know the cultural left can or rather the left in terms of supporting its own cultural artists can be very fickle Sometimes oh, yes, I know and you know one of the biggest Complaints that political artists have if you think about all the demonstrations and the Fundraisers and the events that political artists are asked to perform at for free You know every once in a while some of us say, you know Are you asking the caterer? To like give their services for free and the sound guide to give their services for free, you know There's this there is this attitude, you know, I'm just saying it's not black and white Sometimes artists are given a bum rap for being divas or prima donnas, you know But the other side of the coin is You know a lot of us You know We're not even at ground zero in terms of struggling to get by so many of us have to do Crap jobs like everyone else, you know To you know to be able to do our art and to pay for our music habit that we have right and which doesn't mean We're not good But it just means that maybe we're working in a genre and in with material that the moguls You know who run the companies are not pushing this year or this decade since Reagan or whatever so the result of that is I don't know if you remember during the Gulf War I Was living out in California at the time and it was it was really striking to me how few music Artists came out against the war during there was nothing It was you had that whole remember that video that even whoopie Goldberg participated in to support our troops in the Gulf and One of the things like I was saying at that time is now you knew there were artists who were against the war but I Think what happens over the years is that you know Whatever political or and it's really not easy to be a political artist these days I mean, it never has been but it's been it never has been but I think there were certain periods in history in which it's even more Challenging see my view on that is that there was there were lots of people that had something to say during the Gulf War We didn't know where to go to find it. You couldn't find any record store You certainly couldn't turn on the radio except for BAI and find it now You might be able to search on the net and find it that way and if it really if it's something you're really into Believe me, you are going to go out and buy it now People most people anyway, who are musicians true musicians aren't doing it to be rich They're doing it because they want to do it. They want to get their their music out Yeah, they want to make a living exactly if they get rich that's a side benefit to it But it should never be the goal and I think with too many people that's the goal Unfortunately, unfortunately in the music business, it's like you're either not even getting by Or you're getting rich and and and and there are many people who would feel rich if they could just pay their rent from their Music, you know what I'm saying? Exactly. Yeah, and that's that that's what I think is more common than what we consider to be musicians These days the rock superstars which everyone seems to think is what it's all about and that's not what it's all about Not with the people not with the demographic that I'm talking about. Anyway, thank you very much. All right. Thanks for the call Carl I think it's important that you don't assume that everyone's a criminal in terms of when it comes to downloading music Yeah, what if someone's gonna steal what it's gonna seal it most people in this world just aren't thieves We've really should you know treat people that way but on the flip side of that if you treat people like thieves They will start acting like thieves just like any kind of probably but you just can't assume that they're thieves the person doing the Downloading does have to be responsible and recognize the wishes of the artists You can't go out and appropriate someone else's work for your uses Just like you can't go walking down the street like a carpenter off the second floor and say I want this Yeah, but you see you also have to balance that with reality like you could have artists that say I don't want anybody humming My song it's my song. Don't hum it. Okay. All right. Now, are you actually gonna say that that's a look? That's that's something that that you know is realistic in this day and age I don't know how realistic you can call you went to court for that and it will probably you really think you can haul someone Into court for humming a song and it will be thrown away for being remarkably frivolous We have a we have a new entry here with one minute left to go. Yes, Chris Actually there there are some restrictions on what artists can and can't As far as their rights what they can and can't restrict the use of and as far as you just walking down the street humming It there's there's no profit being made on that Do you know that the Girl Scouts can't sing happy birthday around a campfire because of the recording industry of America? You know that they're not allowed to sing. Happy birthday. I mean, that's the mentality We're talking about to sing it in satire or a couple of the other outs for copy. Oh, please It's totally insane is what it is, you know to tell people they can't sing a song around a campfire That's just nuts, but we're gonna have to end on that Unfortunately, we can continue this next week. I'd love to talk about this It's a whole lot more exciting than than worrying about who's gonna sue us next All right for for Isaac and Carl porkchop Chris. 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