And stay safe.
Thank you and goodbye to all your listeners.
OK.
Good night.
Bye.
Good night.
And we were speaking with Duska, sorry I couldn't even begin to pronounce the last name, from
B92 in Belgrade.
It was live from Yugoslavia.
I was amazed actually we got through so easily.
That's something.
That really is.
Isaac and Laszlo.
I'm somewhat speechless.
It's remarkably sobering.
Yeah.
Just talking to somebody who's there in the midst of it all.
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Some of my friends sit around every evening and they worry about the times ahead
But everybody else is overwhelmed by indifference and the promise of an early bed
You either shut up or get cut out, they don't wanna hear about it, it's only inches on the reel to reel
And the radio is in the hands of such a lot of fools trying to anesthetize the way that you feel
Real radio is a sound salvation, radio is cleaning up the nation
They say you better listen to the vice operation
Said they don't give you any choice cause they think that it's treason
So you had better do as you were told, you better listen to the radio
Wonderful radio, marvelous radio, wonderful radio
Radio, radio, radio, radio
Radio, radio, radio, radio
Radio, radio, radio, radio
Radio, radio, radio, radio
212-209-2950, please phone in your support to Off The Hook
What the fuck!
Get the dog dog, the dog dog, go go go
There's a tower in the heart of London, with the radio station right at the top
But they don't make the city beat, they're making all the action stop
A long time ago there was pirates, feeding away from the sea
Now the station is silent, cause they ain't got your license
If you wanna tell your problems, phone in from your pension crew
And they trouble when you're fucked up, let us all in on the news
If you wanna hear a record, get the word from A to Z
You just wanna hit your plate, to keep you in your place all day
Get into radio, get into radio, get into radio, get into radio
Hey, hey you guys, come on, don't do it
Hey listen, I've been thinking, we'll never get on the radio like this
You know that?
Nah, I've been studying the charts, using my mind and my imagination
And I can see it all now
The drummer's in the box office, and he's counting all the money
Yeah, you guys know just what to do
Are y'all ready?
Alright, on the count of four
Four!
Hey, get that gun, move it up
Wow, you go
Hey, get that DJ on the line
Wow, have you seen me dance?
I'm the one that I want
I'll fight it
Let me know
Super Black Market Clash CD
Ooh
Yes, good evening
You guys almost got hit by a bus
We're on the air, live
Yes, and your donations to 212-209-2950 will go towards Bernie S.'s hospitalization course
We're off the air tonight, which will be 10 o'clock
So if people are just tuning in, please give a call to the station, show your support
And Bernie, just in case you didn't hear already, we are offering two packages for people calling in
One is the mega package of every single back issue sold, plus a t-shirt for a total of $250
And those back issues go all the way back to 1984, we never missed an issue yet, as far as I know
The other deal, for $150, is the entire CD-ROM set of every episode of Off the Hook from 1988 to 1997
And that's, again, for a pledge of $150, and you also get a t-shirt for that
How many hours of stimulating entertainment would that be?
I don't know how many hours of stimulating entertainment there is there, but I can tell you there's 100 hours of audio on each CD
So that's 400 hours total, which is quite a bit for four CDs
A lot of people think that you can't fit that kind of audio on a CD-ROM
But you certainly can with real audio and compressed sound and things like that
So, yeah, it's possible, and it sounds pretty good, too
Yeah, it's a good codec
Yeah, definitely
Folks at Real Audio have done some fine work
Yeah, and we're also experimenting with all kinds of other audio systems, such as MP3
I think some people are listening on MP3 tonight through our web server, www.2600.com
And a special thanks to Porkchop for getting that up tonight
And to everybody else who's coding and serving
And that's how we get out to the world
And we're hearing from people
We got a pledge from England, Bernie
Wow!
Yeah, we actually got a pledge from England
Hopefully we'll get more pledges from other people
We're at the $29.90 mark, we're about to hit $3,000
That's really, really cool
There's some people that walked up to me before and said,
You're not going to make a dime, you know
All good fun, but, you know
What does the security guard downstairs know?
He's a nice guy
He's a nice guy, but he doesn't know non-commercial radio
He doesn't
But, you know, I was on my way out trying to put coins in your meter for your vehicle
And he's like, hey, you got a sign
And I just jingled the coins and he said, never mind
Yeah, yeah
He's a nice fellow
He's a nice guy
What would we do without him?
I would like to donate something to this cause
Okay, well, as long as it's money
You can't donate something for listeners
Because they're very set in their ways in the tally room
We can't add premiums or anything like that
The tally man
Well, I would like to pledge $100
Okay, well, that's
But there's no, I don't need a premium from that
I'm just going to do that because I think it's a good cause
Bernie, you know, you hit the nail right on the head
And this is what we've been saying all night tonight
Is that it's not about what kind of products you get for your money
It's about realizing the importance of something
And donating for that reason
Just for that reason alone
And I take my hat off to you
Except I have headphones around them
Because that is exactly
The kind of attitude that we need
And Bernie, of all the people who have
Earned the right to not contribute to anything
For the rest of their lives
I think you've been through enough to not have to do that
If anything, my experiences have made me understand
That these sorts of contributions are all the more necessary
And speaking of your experiences
If you get the CD-ROM set
You can hear all of Bernie S.'s experiences
You can hear Bernie S. before
All the horrible things started happening to him
You can hear all the way through the end
Where things turned out
Well, we won't say how things turned out
Because that would ruin the surprise
But obviously you're here now
He's not still in prison
I guess things did turn out okay
I'd say I'm doing considerably well
Yes
Considerably better than I was then
And you know, it was really great
I was talking to folks about Dayton, Dayton, Ohio
Going out to the Hamvention this past weekend
And how really cool it was to see people out there
That really got it
That really understood what it was all about
You know, you think going to a ham fest
With a bunch of cranky ham operators
That they're going to chase you out of town
It's not that way at all
It's not that way at all
We were welcomed with open arms
And we were talking about the whole Free Kevin movement
The changes in that case
A surprising number of people were very, very well informed on that
They knew everything about the case
They read the website
They listened to the radio show
My favorite was the woman who had no technical background
Who was just really curious about the whole thing
She had a couple of kids with her
And we told her about the Kevin Mitnick saga
And she said, God bless him
I'll do whatever I can to help
That's great
There was also a guy who was a father
And he was talking about his son
Having all kinds of curiosity towards computers
And getting in trouble at school for experimenting with things
And that was really something to admire
Because how many parents encourage somebody to be curious
Encourage somebody to challenge the system
And this guy, he didn't understand at all
What the problem was with that
With a kid doing something
That someone might find inconvenient
But learning from it
Not being malicious
Learning
Asking questions
Experimenting
That's what it's all about
And some people really get that
They really understand that
It was very heartening to be there
We had a lot of fun at this thing
What are some of the highlights in your mind, Bernie?
Oh, God
It was so much
It was an incredible weekend
I met literally over a thousand people
That I've never met before
I met a lot of old friends
That I've been seeing going to ham fests for years
Being a ham operator from way back
But just
I find
Aside from, you know
A dozen acres of people's technological trash
Their hardware
They're just cleaning out their basements
Just some incredible pieces of equipment
One man's trash is another man's trash
Meeting people and talking with them about issues
Having a 2600 t-shirt on
And people asking
Oh, you're with 2600
And they ask questions
You meet people from all walks of life
Who have sort of common themes in their mind
About what's going on these days
And it's just fascinating
Meeting all those people
That's certainly true
That's certainly true
I'd have to say
I'd have to say
Of all the booths there
There must have been a thousand exhibitors
Would you say that's an accurate number?
I would bet there were a good thousand exhibitors
I think the attendance was close to 65,000 people
Wow
Wait a minute
65,000?
I thought it was like 10,000
I didn't know it was 65,000
No, no
The reason I know that
Is because they were raffling off the door prizes
In the arena towards the end
And the tickets were up to like 63,000 something
Are you sure they didn't start at
53,000?
Yes
No, traditionally they've had close to that many people
Wow
I guess now that I think about it
Yeah, there was a lot of people there
Suddenly like a football crowd or something
If you add it all together
That's something
Yeah
I'd say though
Where we were at
The one booth out of a thousand or so
That we had
Actually we had two spaces
Because we pulled the van up
We did a few things
That I think were kind of
Well different than what most people did
Like we had a couple of weather balloons
Which met with some interesting fates
Again?
Yeah
Perhaps you'd like to describe that, Bernie
Well, we lost two balloons actually
With more success than we had last year
The winds were a little less this year
And we were at a higher location
It wasn't in the way of antenna structures
And so forth
Which were problematic last year
Last year one of our weather balloons
Snagged a huge ham radio antenna array
Next to the 2600 van
And the guy had to raise and lower the antenna
With this pneumatic pump
To strike the balloon free
But this time
No wait, I think what happened was
The balloon was raising and lowering his antenna
And he didn't know anything about it
And I think that's why we were trying to avoid him this year
That was my recollection
Of the field this time
Well there may be a lucky listener tonight
Who actually might have retrieved something
From the heavens over this past weekend
What did you do? Tie something to a balloon?
Well
Yes
The first balloon went up with a care package
With several Free Kevin bumper stickers
Buttons saying Free Kevin
Along with an information sheet about his case
And another information sheet about 2600, the hacker quarterly
Along with a notation that
If you find this
And return the form filled out
You'll get a free lifetime subscription
To 2600
Our lifetime or theirs?
Well
The second balloon, we lost it
Actually was carrying a hacker t-shirt
2600 t-shirt
Which I could see
I didn't know you did that
Because I was about a quarter mile away
On the other side of the lot
And I looked up and I saw the 2600 t-shirt
Fluttering hundreds of feet in the air
From this big weather balloon
And that was great
It almost looked like a person was hanging from the balloon
And I hope no one else thought
There was someone hanging from the balloon
Because it might have caused a commotion
The fire marshal was quite excited
About anything out of the ordinary there
But this balloon escaped on its own
Yeah, this one we lost unintentionally
And I only hope when the coat hanger came down
That it landed in a field someplace
Well, you see
I don't know how these things work
If the balloon just floats gently down to the ground
Or if it plummets like a rock
It was a pretty heavy wooden coat hanger too
It was
But that's what we brought with us
And the intention was not for it to escape
The intention was for it to come back down
Because you can't get those wooden coat hangers anywhere
Well, heck with the coat hanger
Where did you get weather balloons?
Oh, you can find them
Oh, it's amazing what you can find on the internet
Oh yeah
These are 8-foot government surplus weather balloons
They're bright red
And they're designed for high-altitude use
Meaning they don't explode when they reach a
You know, a semi-high altitude
These things will go up
Like, you know, a few miles before they burst
Aren't there regulations on airspace
Where you can, like, send those out?
Well, if you're standing in a parking lot at LAX
I'd say no
Same for JFK
But yeah, you can kind of launch these things
And look the other way
The EPA will probably go after you
Because they're worried about some wildlife getting caught in it
Or we may have a report about some guy in Nebraska
Who managed to recover a flying saucer
There you go
Well, I just hope there aren't any deaths or something
As a result of this
Or injuries
Anything like that
The free Kevin button has a metal backing
And we were not far from the
Which Air Force base is that, Emmanuel?
That we were near?
A bunch of them, I don't know
They always seem to be in flocks
The Air Force base is in Dayton, Ohio
And that would have been picked up on radar
Should they have been looking at the sky that night
Which I'm sure they were
So it would be interesting to know
What they thought of this bogey
A couple of miles up in the air
The F-15s come to intercept
We saw a few airplanes
We saw a few airplanes buzzing over the crowd as well
So there was definitely interest there
But we had a lot of fun with all kinds of things
We were just wandering through the crowds ourselves
And all kinds of different people came and visited us
And it was just great to see that
It's always good to see people
People turning out in force
For one event or another
We're up to $3,600
That's great
That's really great
Wow
219-2950
Again, those packages are available for you
The complete back issue set
Or the complete off-the-hook set
Of all the episodes of off-the-hook
From 1988 to 1997
It's hard to believe we were on the air
Back in 1988
But it's true
It's true
That's when our first radio show was
It was a special back in October of 1988
I remember originally
We were supposed to do a special back in July
Actually, it was only me
I was the only person here
And it wasn't even meant to be a show
That lasted more than a special
It was just something
That we were trying as an experiment
Of course, there was an incident
Well, it was supposed to be on 1.30
On a Tuesday afternoon, I think
Tuesday afternoon, 1.30
I mean, who was on at that time?
I don't know
I wasn't
But I came in that day to be on the air
And guess what?
Two minutes before that
There was a fire in the Empire State Building
And every radio station in New York City
Was knocked off the air
It is amazing what the FBI will go to
To prevent someone from getting on the radio
Took all the radio stations off
You don't for a minute
I didn't think that was a coincidence, do you?
Oh, no, no, no
It was deliberate
Everything has a reason
Nobody wants to hear you
The air time was so packed
That it took until October
To get another slot opened up
And so we did that show back in October 1988
And even then
The show did not become a series
Until about three years later
So you'll hear all of that
Plus more
There were a lot of other shows
That we did here on the radio station
A show called The Fifth Corner, for instance
I don't know if anybody remembers that
What was that about?
What's that supposed to mean?
I don't know
It was basically just a show
Late at night
Played music
Talked at things
I don't know
It was ten years ago
Now, do you listen to those old shows
And realize that you're a lot more polished now?
Or are you still...
Quite the opposite, actually
Really?
He's gotten worse
He's a slow and steady decline
And you can help this decline
By calling 212-209-2950
And pledging whatever you've got
We've got some fine premiums
But, you know, $10, $20
It really means a lot to us
You keep us on the air
You can listen to us ramble
And we'll probably be able to do another one of these
Long, three-hour, drawn-out
Pledge drives sometime in the future
Yes, we'd like to
I mean, it's unpleasant having to ask
But it's really not unpleasant giving
Because I think all of us have given at some point, too
And you realize that it's part of the process
The station would not be here were it not for listeners
And that's a fact
Commercial radio, and Laszlo can attest to this
Commercial radio exists because of the market economy
Because people buy things
Because that's just how it works
And unfortunately, the radio spectrum
Unlike in Yugoslavia
We were just talking to someone at B92
It's just about money here
It's not about speech
It's just about money
And that's sadly how it is in most cases
At 99.5 FM, though
It's about more than that
See, if this were a commercial station
We would have auditorium testing
Auditorium? What's that?
Well, basically what you do
Is you get a whole auditorium
Full of the demographics that you're trying to hit
And you would play some music
And say, do you like this?
Would you like to hear it over and over all day long?
Why?
Because if we could auditorium test your show
Ah, that's a pretty scary thought
Although we did a show in an auditorium at B92