It's going to be played just before New Year, I just want to wish that you rebellious bunch
out there, I really love you all, WBAI is a Happy New Year and have a great year and
we'll talk next week.
You're listening to WBAI 99.5 FM New York.
What will you remember about 1997?
God, what happened in 97?
1997.
I found this bizarre, fascinating from beginning to end because it just, it came and it went.
We got to see these really terrific pictures of another planet so close and so crisp and
I...
I can't wait to see the Marv Albert tape on the internet where you can get little bites
of 1997.
It came and it went.
Time just has flown by so quickly.
It's 97.
Actually for me 1997 has been a trying year.
Cut the head in half using a band saw and scoop the brains out.
Tune in for a shortcut through 1997.
Blast the brain out with water or air.
New Year's Eve at 11.
Suck the brain out to a hole in the head.
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What about free speech?
1997.
New Year's Eve at 11.
What about free speech?
That's not the point of giving this place a bad name.
I've got my position to think of.
Then you're listening to radio station WBAI.
It's 8 o'clock Tuesday night.
Time for Off The Hook.
The telephone keeps ringing.
So I ripped it off.
I cut myself while shaving.
Now I can't make a cut.
It couldn't get much worse.
But if it could, I'd do it again.
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We were talking about a scary bill with Bernie S.
A scary bill.
Yeah, and we have an update to that.
President Bill Clinton has signed into law a controversial bill
imposing criminal penalties on copyright violators who do not profit from their actions.
Actually, it wasn't very controversial in Congress.
It kind of sailed right through there, you know, like a cannonball.
The No Electronic Theft Act, passed by Congress last month,
was strongly backed by the software and entertainment industries,
but opposed by virtually everybody else on the planet,
namely science and academic groups.
Under the new law, and you all better listen carefully to this,
a person who willfully infringes on copyrighted material worth at least $1,000
could be subject to criminal prosecution even if he does not profit by it.
Yes, this is how we can put Kevin Mitnick in jail forever.
Under the previous law, copyright violators could not be charged with criminal misconduct
unless they profited from the violation.
Sort of the point, you know?
Otherwise, where's the harm?
You have to wonder about these things.
Software and entertainment groups, including the Business Software Alliance,
the Motion Picture Association, and the Association of American Publishers,
said the change was essential to protect software, music recordings,
and other creative products easily pirated over the Internet.
What do you think? This is what 1997 will be known for.
That's kind of surprising.
You think it's surprising?
Surprising is not the word I would use.
I think it's sad.
Well, yeah, it's very depressing.
I'm confused. How do they plan on enforcing something like that?
That's just it. There is no way to enforce this except selectively.
Now, the next Bernie S. that comes around,
and the service decides that he's pissed them off or something,
and they want to throw him in jail forever,
well, they just simply go into his computer and say,
Hey, here's software. It sells for $1,000. Therefore, you're guilty of this.
Actually, it sounds like a good catch-all.
In the event that you're searched and seized for some reason,
and it turns out that they didn't really have anything on you,
you can always fall back on this, because everybody has some kind of copied software.
Yeah, it's like they've got to test you for drugs.
They've got to test to see if you have a lie in your life.
They're always going to find something.
There's nobody out there that is innocent.
So this is just another way to do this,
and to round up those people that they wish to round up.
Pretty amazing.
Here's a letter from a listener.
It has an interesting story about Nextel.
We haven't talked very much about Nextel.
But they're that other company.
They're that other kind of phone service.
Other kind of phone service.
They talk a lot about OmniPoint and about Sprint PCS
and various other cellular-type services.
But this is Nextel.
This is kind of funny, actually.
My father and grandfather own a small business where cell phones are essential.
Last week, they received a call from a Nextel salesman,
and they set up an appointment.
Not five minutes later, another Nextel salesman called,
so my father set up an appointment with him on the same day.
Kind of funny.
Let's see what's coming here.
The first Nextel salesman came in wearing a T-shirt and jeans
and made an impressive demonstration of the Nextel services.
He offered to take the old analog cell phones, about six of them,
and give Nextel phones for $9 apiece.
About an hour later, the second salesman came with an associate.
This salesman was dressed in a suit
and offered the Nextel phones for a higher price
but without taking the old analog phones.
My father mentioned the other salesman's offer,
and the second salesman said he would call his boss
and see what he could do.
My father left the office to go to a nearby gas station,
and the second salesman was sitting in his brand-new Porsche
talking on his phone.
The salesman came back to the office a half hour later
and said that the best they could do was give the phones for free
but take the analogs and their two new Qualcomm CDMA phones
they bought a few weeks beforehand.
So my father instead got the phones from the first salesman
for only $1 apiece and is keeping the Qualcomm phones.
We haven't received the new phones yet, but when I get my hands on one,
I'll be sure to tell you anything interesting I find.
What kind of company is that that sends two salesmen?
I don't know. We're out of time.
It makes me think that Nextel is employing car salesmen to sell their phones.
It sounds like they're employing independent contractors
that go out there and use their own spin on things.
By the way, the Twin Cities has a GSM provider now,
Aerial Communications.
It's been around for a while, but it was never mentioned
in any of their commercials that they provide GSM service,
and maybe they should.
Yeah, but no GSM company says GSM on their commercials.
OmniPoint doesn't.
Why is that?
People don't know what GSM is and don't care.
Maybe because they never say that they have GSM.
Did Sprint say CDMA in their commercials?
They say it in their literature.
Well, OmniPoint says GSM in their literature.
TV commercials never go into that.
The average couch potato doesn't understand
or need to know what that stuff is.
I guess, yeah.
Anyway, thanks to Code Freeze for sending that in.
What else do we have here?
You heard last week's show.
We were talking about the potential health effects of GSM phones.
What do you think of that?
Actually, I think it was rather one-sided.
If you do some more poking into the whole industry buzz
of CDMA versus GSM,
because obviously they're both in singular combat
for the stranglehold on who's going to be the next best thing.
One wants to have more control than the other,
when in reality I think we're just going to end up
having a mix of the two anyway.
It's interesting because the CDMA people are always quick to point out
all the things that they think are wrong with GSM.
It seems like they've been repeatedly putting the GSM companies
on the defensive in pointing out various things.
I'm not going to say that I like one more than the other.
If I had a choice, I would say I wish there was a third protocol
that had the bandwidth of CDMA and the security of GSM,
but each one has its downside.
The only thing CDMA has ever been bragging about the whole entire time
is how much potential bandwidth they can save
by doing their code division multiplexing.
I haven't heard much bragging about that.
In the industry, that's all they brag about.
It's like, okay, why is CDMA better than GSM?
Oh, well, because we can fit a lot more conversations
going over one cell, going over one frequency than GSM
because we use code division multiplexing.
The kind of thing the average consumer would really care about.
Yeah, but in reality,
the majority of the CDMA equipment that's being used in the field
doesn't actually handle the kinds of theoretical kind of,
what would you refer to it as?
A number of subscribers simultaneously using the network.
Right, the maximum capability.
Yeah, I mean, none of them are even approaching that kind of limit.
So, I mean, the argument is really irrelevant.
It's like saying, okay, let's say just as an example,
we use a 32-bit number.
Let's just say for sake of argument,
every conversation has a 32-bit number assigned to it.
So, obviously, if you do the math and you think,
well, gee, we could have 4 billion conversations going on at the same time.
But that's kind of silly because that couldn't actually happen.
Although I was using Sprint PCS a couple of days ago
and I got a network busy.
Oh, really?
Yeah, so, I don't know.
These things can happen.
I mean, it's a simple matter of the economics of the company,
how much hardware they're going to deploy in the field
to handle what they think the demand is.
The point was, this person was saying that GSM phones
send out some sort of a pulse that has been shown to be hazardous to your health.
CDMA phones do not.
Now, that could just be one-sided person saying CDMA is better than GSM.
But I think health studies need to be thrown up so that we know these things.
I completely agree.
I think that there need to be far more health studies.
But I don't know if this is true of the CDMA manuals.
But the GSM, at least Ericsson's GSM phone manuals,
the first couple of pages,
they say that you should not use a phone for prolonged periods of time.
Well, how do they define prolonged periods of time?
Well, they don't particularly say.
The other thing that they say that gives you a little hint
is that if any of the rubber ever breaks off the antenna,
that you should not touch the metal underneath,
or else you could get burned.
Real burn? Radiation burns? What kind of burns?
Burn. Like burn, burn.
Like, you know, your finger will get hot and hurt.
Which essentially is going to happen.
Use your phone to light a fire.
That's going to happen whether it's a CDMA phone or a GSM phone.
The fact of the matter is that, you know,
we're dealing with communications in the microwave range of frequencies.
And, you know, you're microwaving your finger.
If you touch a piece of exposed metal,
that's, you know, actually got some power behind it.
So basically the rubber that's around that
is what's protecting you from getting that directly beamed into your head.
Well, it keeps you from getting burned.
I mean, as far as it is getting beamed directly into your head,
whether or not it's a threat is another story.
But I mean, in all reality, the fluorescent lights in this room
are getting beamed directly into our head.
The point is that some governmental agency
decided that the emissions were safe.
And that's why we still have fluorescent lights.
Interesting. Now you've got to give me something else to worry about.
Well, okay. As if that's not enough to worry about, how about this?
This comes out of Zurich, Switzerland a couple of days ago.
Swiss police have secretly tracked the whereabouts of mobile phone users
via a telephone company computer that records billions of movements
going back more than half a year, according to a Sunday newspaper.
The revelation in the Sonntag Zeitung newspaper
triggered objections from politicians and the country's privacy ombudsman
about high-tech snooping on citizens who like the convenience of a mobile phone.
Officials from state telephone company Swisscom confirmed the practice,
but insisted information about mobile customers
was only handed out on court orders.
Swisscom has stored data on the movements of more than a million mobile phone users.
It can call up the location of all its mobile subscribers
down to a few hundred meters and going back at least half a year,
when it has to.
It can exactly reconstruct down to the minute
who met whom, where, and for how long.
Some 3,000 base stations across the country
track the location of mobile phones as soon as they are switched on,
not just when customers are having conversations.
Prosecutors call the records a wealth of information
that helped track criminals' movements.
This is a very efficient investigation tool.
Renato Walti, an investigative magistrate in Zurich
who specializes in organized crime, was quoted as telling the paper.
The paper said Swisscom and law enforcement officials
were reluctant to discuss the records, which were supposed to be secret.
But it quoted Tony Stallman, head of Swisscom's mobile phone division,
as saying,
we released the movement profile of mobile telephone customers on a judge's order.
Sontag Zeitung, that's the newspaper,
said there was no legal basis for storing such information.
I am unaware of any law that would allow the preventative collection of data
for investigative purposes.
It quoted Odilo Guntern,
the federal ombudsman for protecting individuals' privacy, as saying,
secretly collecting data is highly problematic.
I mean, that's something to really be scared of.
Yeah.
You turn these things on, your movements are being tracked.
Well, they can be, certainly.
Well, they are.
In Switzerland, they are.
Whether or not they're saved someplace and looked at,
I guess, is a question of company policy and government policy and things like that.
Well, and also of switch technology that happens to be installed by that company.
Yeah.
But I've heard that in England,
the display on your GSM phone,
as you wander from cell site to cell site within a couple of blocks at a time,
the display actually changes,
and it tells you the exact location roughly of where you are,
as opposed to the company name.
Really?
Yeah.
So it tells you where you're wandering off to?
Yeah.
It tells you what the name of the cell site is,
which is typically designated by its location, the street corner.
But all the GSM phones I've seen in the United States,
they simply say the name of the company.
They haven't been that creative yet.
Yeah.
I don't know.
That scares me.
Yeah.
I mean, they've been doing all these things and, you know,
just advertising where they are at all times.
Yeah.
Something to think about.
But if you turn them off, they stop doing that.
Yep.
Okay.
What do you have there?
Oh, yeah.
What do we have here?
We have...
Here's someone from...
Where's this guy from?
He's from...
He doesn't say where he's from.
He says he's from deathsdoor.com.
Okay.
That's a machine.
We don't know where...
As good a place as any.
It could be anywhere, yes.
He says he wishes that us guys would have more support
because we are the ones who make the net.
Well, I guess it's a nice thing to say.
Well, yeah, I guess.
And he wishes that someone would lease us a T3.
Uh-huh.
Well, that would be nice.
That would be nice.
Yeah.
Well, he goes on to say that he has a cable modem.
Uh-huh.
Actually, he has cable modem service from Time Warner in Maine
and that he's had it for the past four or five months.
You know, that's a clue as to where this guy might be.
Yeah, you know?
Yeah.
I think we might have hit upon something there.
It's hard to get service from Time Warner of Maine if you're not in Maine.
Well, he could be on vacation.
Okay.
He says he's very impressed with the service and speed.
He doesn't say exactly how fast it is.
He says that, unfortunately,
their software is extremely poorly written and clunky
and makes the whole process...
sounds like it makes the whole process rather tedious.
Yeah.
Now, he says something about having to run a certain program?
Yeah.
He says he has to run some kind of a login program
to stay connected to their service.
And he says that it's extremely clunky,
takes up a lot of memory, and blah, blah, blah.
Now, we also got a letter from somebody agreeing with your position
on Uunet's ADSL service.
Yeah, somebody who simply went to Uunet's website
and saw that IDSL is an ISDN service.
Yeah.
This is someone calling themselves Philos.
Uh-huh.
All right.
And this ADSL service, which we read your letter last week...
Yeah.
...basically just not really what ADSL is going to be all about
when it does come here.
Right.
Okay.
So you've been spared for a little while longer.
I've been spared from eating a hat.
Yeah, okay.
Well, we'll see.
It's one thing that 1998 may bring us.
I don't know.
It'd be kind of cool.
Tonight's off the hook.
This is a letter I'm reading here.
You said Haggis was probably referring to NASA
as the geeks in snowsuits.
If you've seen the TV ads Intel's been putting out,
they offer another alternative.
Yeah, you know those...
I don't watch much TV, so I don't know...
It's the guys in the dust-free suits.
Okay.
They made them in different fashion colors,
and they're dancing around like idiots.
Oh, those are the geeks in snowsuits?
Yeah, well, they look like snowsuits.
Okay.
For the listener who complained he can't use MetroCard
to transfer when the balance is $0.00.
I've transferred from subway to bus with no problem
after using all the money on my card.
In fact, I have a distinct awareness when I've used up the balance
that my MetroCard is not worthless until two hours later.
So, yeah, a bunch of people have said that, in fact.
That there's just a little latency?
Well, that there's no problem.
Someone had written in saying that if they use their MetroCard
and it's the last amount on it...
Right.
...they can't transfer afterwards.
Right.
And a bunch of people have said that that's wrong.
So, I don't know.
This person has bad luck or bad memory, or I don't know.
But we had a lot of people tested,
and no one's been able to duplicate that.
By the way, some person sent us some websites there
for us to further research a particular subject.
And if you'll notice there, it's spelled a little bit differently.
Haggis Links.
Yeah.
Now, Haggis there is spelled with two Gs.
Actually, it looks like it's recipes...
Yeah.
...on how to actually prepare haggis.
So, you can keep that, because I know you're interested in the subject.
Yeah, actually...
I don't ever want to speak about it again.
Should we give out one of these?
Go ahead.
Give them all out.
All right.
I'll give out some of the ones that look easier to remember.
Okay.
We have sunsight.auc.dk, that would be in Denmark,
slash recipes, slash English, slash the letter O, 0070121.html.
And then we have another one that's a bit easier to remember,
www.inforamp.net, slash tilde jpeters, slash recipes,
slash Haggis, with a capital H and two Gs, dot html.
Hmm.
And no doubt they will have all kinds of info about how to chop up the guts of a sheep
and boil it to your heart's content.
Yeah.
And probably very little information on the hacking websites.
Yeah.
So, you know, I think right away that tells us that the Haggis of the website hacking people
is different than the Haggis of the sheep gut people, because it's spelled differently.
Well, there's two Gs versus one.
Yeah.
And plus the hackers against geeks in swimsuits thing.
Right.
You know, sort of what it stands for.
Okay, so enough about that.
That's probably the major news event in 1997 is all the web hacking that went on.
So who knows what 1998's going to lead to.
One more letter here, and then we'll take some phone calls.
212-279-3400.
I guess if you're outside the country, do we have real audio tonight?
Yeah.
No?
We have real audio.
Hang on, Porkchop's here.
Go to the red microphone there.
Red microphone.
Usually you're coordinating this, but you're here tonight, so someone else is coordinating it.
This is the one week I could get here.
Real audio is up and running today.
However, we probably will not have live statistics.
Okay.
We're working on it.
Still working.
Well, we'll have live people calling us, and if you're outside the country, we got a call from Singapore last week.
Real call from Singapore.
So obviously you'd have to use country code one, but I'm sure if you're outside the country, you'd know that.
All right.
212-279-3400.
I just listened to the December 16th Off the Hook broadcast, and I think I know what the deal is with Emmanuel's PCS phone.
He says he's seeing drastically reduced standby times from his batteries.
The key to this is that he says he's out of range most of the time.
PCS phones employ something known as discontinuous receive, a.k.a. DRX.
This means that the phone does not listen for incoming calls 100% of the time.
Instead, it syncs with the nearest base station and only turns on its receiver during those time slices when the base station would try to notify the phone of an incoming call.
The result is that most of the time, the phone's receiver is not on.
Does that make sense, Weiber?
It does make sense, yeah, but it doesn't make sense why, uh...
I don't know. We'll go on.
As you might imagine, this can reduce the phone's power requirements drastically.
Conversely, if the phone is not in DRX mode and the receiver is running all the time, the phone will be chewing up more power and the battery life will go down the toilet.
Not knowing enough about the low-level protocols involved, not to mention how Samsung has designed this phone,
I'd have to take an educated guess and say that Emmanuel's phone is running the receiver all the time since it is out of range.
A conclusive proof of this theory would be to leave the phone on standby while in range and see if the battery life improves.
Uh, it's also possible the phone is configured to not use DRX, but I doubt that.
And it's, uh, Ed from Red Hat Software who, uh, sent us that.
And I think he's absolutely right.
I think that's... that's what has happened because I did just that.
I left the phone in two different places.
Yeah.
And apart from all the people who tried calling while it was in range, uh, it seemed to last a lot longer.
Well, it seemed, uh...
I'm not... I'm not saying that that's not the reason why the battery's been wasting so quickly,
but, um, last week, uh, Bernie S. said something that made a lot of sense.
Mm-hmm.
Is that, um, the, uh, the difference in, uh, power that the phone can... can, uh, can switch,
I don't know if it's two or three different, uh, power output modes.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, depending on, uh, how far it is from a particular cell site.
But, um, I could see that, uh, if you were practically out of range,
but the phone could, uh, could still reach a, uh, cell site that was quite a ways away
in its maximum power setting that it automatically switches to,
I could see it running out the batteries a lot quicker.
And, uh, it's possible that the, uh, the tricky Samsung people...
Mm-hmm.
...uh, gave, um, the, uh, the time that... that you should expect the battery to last,
uh, cons... uh, in... given the consideration that you're gonna be near a cell site relatively all the time.
Mm-hmm.
Um, so, yeah, I think it has a lot to do with power output as well,
which I think is directly, uh, related to how far you are from... from a cell.
Yeah, well, I mean, the way it seems to be working is in a certain location,
it just drains really fast...
Yeah.
...where there's no service.
So I just... I turn it off when I'm there.
Yeah.
And that seems to solve everybody's problems.
I don't have that problem with GSM.
Well, that's because you're always in range.
Well, not necessarily.
Uh-huh.
I... I sometimes... I... I've brought my phone places, you know, out of state just to see if there...
Yeah.
...there was coverage.
Well, the weird thing about when I'm out of signal, it's... I'm not really out of signal.
I'm getting a signal, but it's not a real signal.
I can't do anything with it.
It's a signal that sort of bounces in.
You can't make any phone calls on it.
You can't receive any phone calls on it.
So I don't know what it's trying to do with this signal.
I think it has a signal, but it doesn't really.
It might be an echo of some sort.
Do you ever see where you have no signal at all?
Uh, it... it goes in and out.
It says no signal, signal.
You don't even have to move the phone.
It just kind of, like...
Yeah.
...like, you know, comes in and waves.
Yeah.
And I actually spoke to Spring PCS about this, and they said they'll...
that's scheduled to be fixed in second quarter 98.
So it's...
What's scheduled to be fixed?
Whatever the problem is.
They're going to figure it out.
First quarter 98 and fix it second quarter, because that's what they say.
Uh, that's a...
Yeah, and they're going to be providing SMS service in the process.
They keep saying that.
They keep saying that, and I have not yet seen it,
so I don't know what's going on with that.
But that's the latest as far as that goes.
Anything else that's going on in your world?
Uh...
With the phones.
Recently.
With mobile phones?
With anything, really.
Well, somebody else sent this mail.
I don't know if you caught it.
They sent it shortly before I left.
Uh-huh.
It was...
They were saying something about that they had talked to some Sprint people.
They went to a Sprint PCS store.
Uh-huh.
They spared themselves having to go to Radio Shack.
Uh, they said...
Well, let me tell you,
going to Sprint PCS stores is not that big a bargain, either.
No, well, this person said that while it was better than Radio Shack,
they just wished that the Sprint PCS people were better trained.
It takes, like, two hours to go through the whole process.
Yeah.
They go through your entire life story.
Got into a fight in sixth grade.
Let's hear about it, you know?
It's like...
These people, they want to know everything.
They want your credit report.
They want to know how old you are, where you've been, what you're going to do.
You know, leave me alone.
I just want to use a phone.
Yeah.
These people are crazy.
Well, they...
Apparently, this person prodded the Sprint PCS people
with various different questions
about when they're going to have SMS service available
and if they were ever going to have any kind of SIM-type card,
like GSM has.
Uh-huh.
And they said that,
oh, yeah, blah, blah, blah, we're looking into this,
so that you could use it for buying stuff,
which I think is a load of horse cocky.
Yeah.
Because there's absolutely nothing in the CDMA protocol
that has anything to do with a SIM card
or any kind of authentication.
No, the CDMA does not have that.
No.
I mean, the serial number of the phone is in the phone.
There's no SIM card.
Uh-huh.
It would not be CDMA anymore if they added a SIM card.
Yeah.
Interesting.
By the way, I don't know if I mentioned to you
the challenge that we issued last week
as far as trying to figure out what that code is
that Sprint PCS phones have,
especially the Samsung phones.
Yeah.
Whether or not it's based on the phone number that you get
when you get the phone,
which is pretty much seven zeros or six zeros and four numbers.
Yeah.
And you get some sort of special code
that you use to unlock the phone,
program in some other things.
And then, of course, once you enter your real phone number,
the code changes.
It might just be a simple algorithm.
If we get a couple more combinations
of phone numbers and codes,
we might be able to figure it out.
Sounds like it is.
Yeah.
Hopefully, people will figure that out.
I've got some information
as far as some hex numbers are on the back of the phones.
It might be of use.
Yeah.
We'll play with that a little later.
Yeah.
If anybody has a Samsung phone
and they haven't yet returned it,
maybe they can.
Maybe.
And they know what the codes were if they activated their...
You would have had to have activated your phone
over the phone, right?
Well, yeah.
Not over that phone, but yeah.
Right.
Over a real phone.
Over a regular phone.
Yeah.
Not in the store.
No.
Okay.
No.
If you do it in the store, they do it for you.
You have to activate your own
because that way you can learn how it's done.
Yeah.
And you can learn about all the secret little menus
and things like that.
Okay.
Let's take some phone calls.
212-279-3400 is our phone number.
Pick a number from 1 to, let's say, 6.
How about 6?
That's a radical approach.
Okay.
Let's try that.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Yeah.
Speak up, please.
No, this isn't working out.
Oh, wait.
Wait.
I didn't press the right button.
It's not my fault.
There we go.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Yes.
We're starting to look into splitting of Area Code 516.
Uh-oh.
So...
The area code that would never split.
Now it's finally going to split.
Do you know where they're going to split it,
Nassau, Suffolk, or...?
No indication, whatever.
It's just there'll be a conference in Baltimore,
for whatever reason.
Baltimore, huh?
Baltimore.
And I guess because I had been on the list
for the split in the New York City ones,
I got this thing in the mail from them recently
telling about that.
Uh-huh.
Anyway, two points, if I may.
Number one, let's see.
Oh, yes.
On September 9th,
a woman called in from Westchester,
you may remember.
She asked about,
and I can answer the question for her,
but I don't really recommend this particular thing.
It's probably a bad deal.
She asked,
is there a thing where you can have a cell phone
that is only, like, for calling 911?
That aspect.
Right.
Okay, well,
there is this company,
you ever seen ads from a place called Haverills
in San Francisco?
All their ads are for one product,
and they always seem to offer two
for a much reduced price,
and you wonder if a lot of it isn't junk and so forth.
Well, this place is in Midlothian,
outside of Richmond.
It's called Comtrad,
C-O-M, like Mary, T-R-A-D, Industries,
even though they only deal with end users
that call themselves industries,
for whatever reason.
Okay, their number's listed
with the toll-free information operator.
However, after looking at the whole ad,
which you see in lots of popular publications,
there is no dialing pad on it.
There's a button for 911.
There's a button to reach the operator,
and for $1.45 to call anyone else,
which fits for an emergency basis,
okay, that fits in with that, right?
The monthly thing is only about $9.95,
I think, maybe $14.95.
However, there's some original sign-up charges,
maybe $100, and then,
by the time you go through the whole thing,
I thought, why not?
She'd probably be better off getting
one of the more usual deals,
having her pad, and so forth.
By the way, did you see the news magazine thing
a few weeks ago?
I forget which of the three major commercial networks
it was on, telling how all the cell phone companies
seemed to make it so that you cannot reach 911
when it was quite an astonishing and alarming thing.
You can't reach 911?
Let me see.
Okay, with cell phones, it was in half the areas.
Each one has it so that you cannot reach 911
from their phone when you're in some areas.
And I said myself, after I watched the whole thing,
I said, I'm one of those people who has always considered
the first thing, main thing I would want it for would be
for 911.
I said, it looks like I'll have to get a transcript
of that program, go over it very carefully.
You'd have to have two different cell phones
from two different suppliers to be able to get 911
anyplace across the country.
I think federal regulations are kind of moving away
from that kind of thing.
You would hope.
But anyway, if I may move on my second point,
on September 30th, a guy called in,
and I guess you must get very tired with this subject.
If he wanted to call back and enlighten us again,
I'd be more than delighted to hear what he would have to say.
It was about the split back in 1984 from 212 and 718
and how you were discussing, I don't know,
646 is lousy and 212 is good, people are saying and all that.
The guy's remark was, at the end, before he hung up,
he said, I thought we really got shafted in the other boroughs
with the 718 back in 1984.
I'm thinking, what kind of crazy thing is he talking about here?
We're now going, we're talking about the 4th and 5th area codes
for New York City, right?
Was he suggesting that 212 could have been left in place
to cover the entire five boroughs?
Everybody would, instead of having multiple lines
all to yourself, we'd all have to have party lines.
Like I said before, it could have been done
if we had gone the four-digit area codes.
Would have worked perfectly.
By the way, I've got to ask you this.
When you say four-digit area codes,
you mean the second and third digits would both still be either 0 or 1?
I mean the area code would be 212-1, 212-2, 212-3, etc.
I see what you're saying.
Everybody would still have 212.
You hear these new area codes.
I know you're very knowledgeable about area codes,
but you can't tell me when you hear 947,
you know immediately where it is.
With the number of them that there are now,
you really have to have a numerical list
if you want to be able to do that right,
have it right in hand.
Yeah, and I think they're going to come to mean
less and less geographically in the future.
With the overlays, right?
Yeah, the whole point of area codes will be lost.
It's going to be a shame because some of them are,
you know, 213 is California, 312 is Chicago,
212 is New York.
It was easy.
Right.
And it was logical.
So I think we missed a good opportunity there.
Right.
Well, thanks for the call.
Right on. Bye-bye.
All right, take care.
Let's go to another phone call.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Oh, no, you're not.
I think I want to add something really quick.
I've got a caller online.
Oh, hello.
Can you hold on one second, caller?
Sure.
Okay, go ahead.
Yeah, just in relation to 911
and that whole scam to subscribe to a mobile phone
to call 911.
Right.
I don't know about CDMA phones,
but on GSM phones,
you can call 911 on an unactivated phone.
That's true, but you know,
I should caution you about that
because we mentioned this once before,
but on OmniPoint,
they cut you off after a couple of minutes.
Yeah.
Well, they're supposed to have fixed that.
Yeah.
Well, they said they were supposed to have fixed that,
and then somebody else did it again.
Yeah.
The same thing happened.
Yeah.
So they're cutting you off, I guess,
because they think it's not really connecting or something.
Yeah, I think that they're thinking
the call never went through.
Because they're saying,
hey, we're not getting any money off this.
What gives?
And they disconnect you.
It's more a network problem.
Yeah.
Okay, good evening, you're on the air.
Howdy.
This is a call from Nebraska.
Nebraska.
You actually listening to us now?
No, I still haven't gotten my new 336 to work yet
because I bought a cheap computer,
and it's conflicting with everything.
I see.
That was a mistake then, wasn't it?
Yes, but I bought your automation kit today.
Oh, really?
You found it in a store?
I found it at Barnes & Noble.
Well, that's good to know.
Very good to know.
Yeah.
So what else is going on out there in Nebraska?
Someone has finally started competing with US West
at the home telephone market.
Really?
Yeah, Cox Communications,
who used to do just cable
and has expanded into cable and stuff,
is now doing digital phone lines
in some areas of Omaha.
Uh-huh.
And so they said that by next year,
most of it should be out.
I called, though,
and the people there aren't very informed,
so they don't know if they're getting ADSL or ISDN
on any of them or not.
Since they have a lucrative cable modem business,
I'm not exactly thinking they're worried.
True.
Yeah, let's hear.
Sprint's spending $45 million
to build some big thing out in western Nebraska
with digital phone lines.
It means all the farmers can have ISDN now.
Well, that'll be a boon to them, I'm sure.
Yeah, um,
there's not gonna be an attempted
January 2600 meeting here
because no one showed up last time, so...
Say it again?
There won't be,
there'll probably not be a January Omaha 2600 meeting.
You're gonna give up just like that?
Because nobody showed up?
Two times.
You know, the first New York City meetings,
we only had about five people.
You know?
Yeah.
It's like out of hand now.
We get, you know, dozens.
Well, and two of them were me and you.
Really?
It was only the two of us?
I was, no, well,
I was at a couple of the early meetings,
and there were only about half a dozen people there.
Yeah, there weren't very many,
so I mean, the thing is,
you have to get publicity out there, you know,
you gotta get word out to the local community,
and then once you get something steady going,
you know, people will show up.
Yeah, I've heard...
I mean, we've heard of Omaha, Nebraska, you know,
it's not like it's someplace
that doesn't have any people in it.
They got some stakes there.
Yeah, so, I wouldn't give up.
Yeah, well,
I'm gonna take a month off
so I can think of a gimmick.
Think of a gimmick?
Gimmicks are always good.
I guess.
Yeah, well,
the bulletin board here,
the scene for bulletin boards in Omaha
is pretty much my friend
comes home from college from LinkedIn,
and he plays with his Minitel.
That's about the only time
the bulletin boards get called.
Interesting.
Well, I say keep the faith out there,
and, you know,
don't worry about being out in Omaha so much.
There's people out there.
Yeah, currently no one
that I was able to get through to
is doing ADSL here yet.
Let's see, what else is going on?
I have a stack of newspaper articles
that got thrown away, so...
That's sad.
Yeah.
Still no GSM out here.
The biggest thing we have
is Sprint PCS,
and they charge a fortune, so...
Sprint PCS charges a fortune out there.
I think, I don't know,
but I know that
there's not enough people here
because their advertising
isn't even nearly competitive
with the analog people.
Uh-huh.
Like, virtually everything here
is analog cellular.
PCS has no market.
Well, they don't have
very many transmitters out there,
I would imagine.
I don't know.
They have, I don't know,
because, I mean,
US West is a major thing here,
so they're probably also
trying to do the main
dominant cellular.
Uh-huh.
Because there's them,
there's one other company
that does cellular,
and then there's Sprint PCS,
which does all their advertising
out through Nebraska Furniture Bar.
Well, I would imagine
they have similar prices
to what they have here
in New York
and other parts of the country.
Yeah, I don't know.
I have an analog phone.
I use it about
10 minutes a month.
Uh-huh.
Oh, then, you know,
you don't really have
to worry that much.
Nope.
Yeah.
Okay, well, we'll keep you updated
as things changing around here
and hopefully you'll do the same.
Good luck.
Thanks.
All right, Gary.
Nebraska, huh?
All right, 212-279-3400.
Uh, Country Code 1,
if you're outside
of the United States,
if we're on real audio tonight,
which I assume we are.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hello?
Yeah, speak up.
Where are you calling from?
Yes, you.
The mic sucks.
Bye.
Excuse me?
Okay.
I have no idea.
If you're gonna wait
that long to say something
that supposedly is shocking,
say it in a clear voice
so we understand
what you're talking about.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
How you doing tonight?
Okay, where are you calling from?
Uh, well, I'm out here
in New Jersey.
New Jersey?
Yeah, not quite as far
as you called last year,
but last week.
That's okay.
It's okay.
New Jersey is far enough.
Uh, just a couple questions
for you,
but one comment first.
You let your...
Two calls ago
was talking about
with 911 calls
from cell phones.
Uh-huh.
And it had something
to do with being, uh,
being outside
your service provider's area
and that they didn't want
to put the call through
because they're not
Yeah.
Right.
It was only like 2020
or something.
But I...
From what I understand,
there's federal, uh,
laws in place,
or legislation at least,
to, uh, to make sure
that they put those calls
through no matter what.
Yes, they're cracking down
on that, of course.
Right.
Uh, but, uh,
I like your idea
about the area codes
being 2 and 2,
1, 2 and 2, 2,
except it's too simple
and that's probably why
they didn't go with it.
Yeah.
It's too obvious.
I mean, you would've had
to have reprogrammed
every switch, obviously,
but it seems they're
going that way.
A question about
a digital phone service.
You guys, you're talking
about Sprint
and a few other ones.
Do you know anything
about Bell Atlantic's
digital?
Have you heard
any good or bad?
Barbara, do you know
anything about them?
What, Bell Atlantic's
what kind of service?
Uh, their digital service.
Their digital network.
You're talking about
Bell Atlantic's
digital cellular?
Yeah.
It's, uh, it's
digital cellular.
It's, uh, there's
not really, uh,
it's not PCS.
It doesn't have any
of the PCS features
that any of the
GSM companies have,
like OmniPoint.
They're not going
around calling it PCS?
I know AT&T is.
AT&T is, but it's not.
Yeah.
They're making believe
it's PCS.
Right.
But it's really just
digital cellular, TDMA.
Is, now, is Bell Atlantic's
digital service,
is that secure?
Uh, not by any stretch
of the imagination.
Okay.
Um, it's basically,
uh, well, there's,
there's, um, there's
actually two modes
of digital cellular.
There's, uh, digital
cellular where, um,
it's digital cellular
and then there's
digital cellular
where, um, it's doing,
uh, pseudo-digital
over analog,
uh, where you can,
um, actually pull
the, uh, authentication
information,
the phone serial number
and so on,
can actually be pulled
off the air
and, uh, it's simply
your, uh, conversation
which is being carried
digitally.
Is that like these
dual-mode phones
Nokia's?
Uh, you know,
you have to buy
a dual-mode phone
if you want to have
digital service,
but then if you go
out of range,
you can still
kick into analog?
Yeah.
All, all the,
all the older phones,
it's, it's pretty rare
for you to actually
find an analog-only
phone anymore,
uh, unless it was
thrown into the package
for free,
but, uh, I mean
nowadays even the
analog and digital,
uh, hybrid phones
are being, uh,
thrown into these
little package deals
because the, uh,
the service is so
cheap to provide,
but, uh, yeah,
that's, those are
basically amps,
which is the, uh,
the older analog
cellular,
and, uh,
and D-amps,
which is, uh,
digital amps
or TDMA,
which is, uh,
the, uh,
sort of newer
version of
analog cellular,
which is really
just a revamping
of it,
but, um,
it's, if you're
worried about security,
you're, uh,
you'd be, uh,
a lot better off
using, uh,
CDMA or GSM.
So the, the bottom
line with the
Bell Atlantic,
digital is not
really, it's a
quasi-digital.
It's not like the,
the, uh, Sprint
or the, uh,
the other one?
No, no, not by,
not by any stretch
of the imagination.
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