...militant spirit in the community to confront police and other forms of abuse.
For more information, please call 212-330-8277.
That's 212-330-8277.
This has been an announcement on behalf of Worldview.
The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall, I cut myself while shaving,
now I can't make a call.
It couldn't get much worse, but if they could they would.
For Billy Bond, but the best expects the worst.
I hope that's understood.
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And that is the sound of our CD player not working.
Isn't that something?
It's amazing how things don't work around here.
Let me see if I can figure this one out on the air.
No, there's nothing there.
Nothing at all.
I see it moving.
It's playing, but it's just not there.
Well, let's imagine there's music.
Let's imagine that Fiber is here.
I'll be Fiber.
You want to be Fiber?
Okay.
Rebel is now Fiberoptic from this point on.
How are you today, Fiber?
All right.
Yeah?
Interesting things.
You are Fiberoptic now?
Yeah.
Okay.
I just noticed.
I like this.
I like the way this is working out.
This is kind of cool.
Yeah, I do too.
Yeah.
I had some DVD questions.
I've been doing research.
I think Fiber will like it too.
Yeah.
If and when he finally gets here.
Okay, Fiber, what's up?
This DVD-ROM thing.
I know that I've been doing research on DVDs,
and I'm getting very excited about DVDs,
because I want to get a DVD,
and I want to know,
DVDs can play DVDs and CDs, correct?
Well, you're the expert, Fiber.
Yeah, Fiber, you're the expert.
Rebel is now here.
Hello, Rebel.
How are you?
Go ahead.
Speak up, Rebel.
He is now Fiber.
You are now Rebel.
Hi, Eric.
How are you?
How are you doing?
Okay.
So now what's up?
Let's see.
I was in Chemical Bank.
Did you know you can make free phone calls in Chemical Bank?
It's the nine experiment center
that you can still make free phone calls,
and guess what?
That may not work anymore.
Anyway, I have a DVD question.
You're the one with the DVD question.
Okay.
Here's a DVD question.
I'm stepping out for a while,
so you two guys just go at it.
Okay.
All right.
If any of you know the answer to the following questions,
please call, but don't call in now.
Don't call in now,
because as you know, 9X cuts you off.
I have a question.
Can DVD players, not DVD-ROMs, but DVD players,
they could play DVDs and audio CDs, right?
Audio CDs such as that?
I got the CD player to work.
Oh.
With them?
I don't know.
He does.
You're listening to Off The Hook,
and can you hear me?
Can you hear me now?
Sure.
Okay, I don't understand this.
Is it just me or do I sound bad?
You sound like you're on a phone.
But I'm not on a phone.
I'm standing right in front of you.
You see me, right?
Right.
So how could I be on a phone?
I don't know, but you don't sound good.
I don't feel good.
All right.
Well, let's pretend that everything's okay,
and we're just going to do the show as normal.
So, Fiber.
Yes.
Now, you're a rebel.
Oh, I'm a rebel.
You're a rebel from this point on.
Okay.
What's up with you?
All right.
I'd like to...
Is your name Rebel?
Yeah.
No, you're not.
Go ahead.
So am I just going to be referred to as Rebel?
I guess from this point on.
Do I have to act like Rebel also?
Well, you see, Fiber is the one that sits in the chair
that Fiber is now sitting in.
Oh, that's right.
As you can tell.
Okay.
Yes.
So what's new with you this week, Rebel?
Well, if I was Fiber, I'd have some new OmniPoint news.
Yeah.
And it just so happens that about a week or so ago,
OmniPoint began offering their voice dialing service,
voice-activated dialing.
And they've actually been testing it for some time,
and it's free to all OmniPoint customers.
So if you are an OmniPoint customer,
you can dial star 44,
and you will get the voice dialing menu,
which prompts you to configure your voice dialing.
Is this similar to the 9X voice dialing?
No.
Well, the problem is you have to dial something
to get to voice dialing.
So right now, I mean, the only really good part about it
is to function as kind of like a glorified memory dialer.
So you don't have to remember somebody's number.
You can dial star 44 and speak their name.
You can say dial Emmanuel, and it would dial you.
But it's not like 9X is full-fledged
voice-activated dialing
because you can't just pick up the phone and speak
because there's no mechanism in the handset itself,
in a GSM handset, that will decode your voice.
In OmniPoint's case,
it's actually a feature of the voicemail system.
And star 44, they just made as a speed dial code.
So I played around with it a bit,
and the voice recognition was good.
It was really good.
Has the OmniPoint services been improving
as far as coverage area?
I was trying to reach you all the way up here to the station,
and not once was I able to get through.
Well, that would probably be because
I was hitting the no button.
You were hitting the no button?
Yeah.
I see.
Because I had a feeling that I knew who was calling
and why they were calling.
And I could only have bad news because of where I was.
You're lucky I'm on the phone right now.
That's all I have to say.
Because if I was here, there'd be trouble.
Trouble of a very bad sort.
Anyway, so anything else new this week?
Well, Kevin Mitnick got sentenced.
I believe he got sentenced yesterday.
He was posted.
It was kind of a weird thing.
They had a pre-sentencing that took place last week
to say what he was going to be sentenced with this week.
And then he was supposed to have been sentenced yesterday.
However, I haven't been able to verify that at all.
But supposedly he would be sentenced to
just about the amount of time that he has been put in prison for,
which is over two years.
And then, of course, he'll be facing trial
on the charges he was indicted with last year.
And those are all the crazy things that nobody can really prove
as far as multi-million dollar stealing of software
and copying files and things like that.
So the story still has a very long way to go.
Well, if he got sentenced to two years,
and they already served two years,
wouldn't he get time served?
Wouldn't he just be able to go home at that point,
pending the further charges?
Well, yes.
Oh, that's better.
Yes, that is true.
Except for the fact that
they still don't want to give him bail for these other charges.
So they're going to hold him longer?
They want to hold him for the rest of his life.
Wow.
Yeah.
I think they really want to find out how long
they can hold someone without actually charging them with anything.
Well, I mean, technically they've indicted him, so...
Well...
It's a question of getting a trial,
getting a jury to say whether or not this is...
The thing is, I don't know if that's going to happen.
I don't know if a jury is going to sit there and say,
you know, this is unreasonable.
These days, I don't know what juries will say
because they've been fed with such propaganda.
People may very well say that Kevin Mitnick is somebody
that deserves to be in prison for the rest of their lives.
These days, that might be believable.
I'd like to know what other people think about that.
He's been in prison since February of 1995.
That's a long time for somebody who didn't steal anything,
didn't hurt anybody,
just basically played around with computers and phones.
It's a very long time and no end in sight.
So that's the story as far as that goes.
Meanwhile, an update on that Delaware hacker story
that we talked about last week.
A teenager allegedly from Delaware
left cyber graffiti on a NASA website.
According to this newspaper, he committed a crime
much more serious than spraying a message on a wall.
He cost the space agency thousands of dollars
and set himself up for hefty fines and jail time.
Federal officials said on Tuesday,
actually, this was last Tuesday,
that the teen, whom they would not identify,
hacked his way onto a secure informational website
several times, stealing files, decoding passwords,
and altering a web message with a cryptic message
that quoted Sir Walter Scott.
Oh, a famous hacker.
Oh, what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.
This page is here to express many people's feelings
towards the release of Kevin Mitnick.
Many of you government system administrators
are extremely stupid.
You guys have to learn security
before you can punish people for it.
What the hell do you know about it?
We feel all knowledge should be free.
The message provides a window into the shadowy world
of computer hackers and crackers.
The incident also highlights the damage
that high-tech criminals can cause.
Hackers started off as a word
with adventurous and positive connotations.
If someone calls himself a hacker,
he's basically calling himself a gun-slinging programmer,
said Richard E. Gordon,
who used to counsel University of Delaware students
who got into trouble for improper computer use.
If someone calls himself a cracker,
it's more malicious.
Still don't know anybody who calls himself a cracker.
It's kind of a silly word.
I know people that have been called crackers.
I know plenty of people who have been called
all kinds of things,
but I don't know people who have done that.
NASA called the Delaware teen's alleged high-tech break-ins
a cracking spree.
So there you go.
They're calling him a cracker right there.
Now, get this part.
The agency paid tens of thousands of dollars
to repair the web page.
Now, how do you do that?
How do you pay tens of...
I mean, yeah, I know it's NASA.
I know they pay $100,000 for a toilet seat or whatever,
but come on.
How do you pay tens of thousands of dollars
to repair a web page, for God's sake?
I mean, they already had designed their web page.
It was already there someplace.
Did they not keep any backups whatsoever?
All they had to do was close the security hole, right?
I mean, tell me.
Where's tens of thousands of dollars come from?
That's what this person is facing jail because of
because he caused tens of thousands of dollars.
He simply changed the message on a machine,
but somehow he caused tens of thousands of dollars of damage.
Kevin Mitnick mentality again.
I think the $10,000 number justifies calling in the authorities.
It doesn't really necessarily mean that the person
really caused $10,000 worth of damage.
If he caused $5 worth of damage,
then the federal authorities would never have gotten involved.
If I could just jump in, yeah,
I'd say it's a lot of this paranoia that takes place
as a result of, I guess, believing whatever the authorities are saying.
The authorities say this is worth a million dollars,
and we just simply sit there and say, yeah,
it's worth a million dollars because you say it is.
You know, it's like the Craig Nidorff case.
Remember when they tried to value that 9-1-1 document
at something like $80,000?
They included the computers they used to type the document,
the secretary they hired to type it,
all kinds of things like that.
And people just believed it,
when in actuality the document was only worth about $14.
Yeah.
Well, I want to play devil's advocate for a moment.
I'd have to totally agree.
About playing devil's advocate?
No, what that caller said.
What caller?
The caller that just said that.
Oh, yeah, I agree with the caller.
Thank you, caller.
I just want to play devil's advocate for a moment
with people running around breaking into websites
and making some like socio-political statement
about Kevin Mitnick or whoever.
Hello?
Hi.
Yeah, the phones are all kind of messed up, so don't.
Yeah, go ahead.
Okay.
Yeah, so like I was saying,
I want to play devil's advocate and say that,
who is this we?
Who's the we?
People explain their,
they justify doing what it is they're doing
because we feel, we this, we that.
Who's the we?
Who's the we?
Well,
Who are we?
The we isn't me.
I can tell you that right now.
It's not me either.
I don't know who these people are representing.
It's not me either.
I mean,
It doesn't seem to be any of us.
I can relate more to Kevin Mitnick's particular predicament
than I think most people that are going around screaming we.
And I'm not going around breaking into websites
and putting up messages on them.
Right.
But not that I,
see, I'm devil's advocate with a limit.
I don't think that these people should be punished for what they're doing.
I just think that,
if they're going to go to the trouble
to make some kind of political statement,
they should choose better words
other than explaining that it's we.
We're doing this for we.
Well, I mean,
I don't think there really is that much of a we there.
I don't see it myself.
No.
I mean, where do you see it?
Well, you said we this.
We believe that Kevin shouldn't be locked up.
We.
It's always we.
Well, I mean,
we meaning the people that did that.
It doesn't necessarily mean they're speaking for all the hackers in the world.
But that's how they come off sounding.
And that's how the media reads it.
They read it as we.
We the hackers feel.
Yeah.
Well, I mean,
don't you think there's more strength, though,
in some sort of a,
you know,
something in numbers
than a bunch of people just doing this wantonly
without any kind of connection whatsoever?
Well, yeah, but I don't know.
I think they'd be looked upon as just as much of a threat
if they were saying I instead of we.
I don't really think that's the issue.
Oh, they could say the three of us.
That might give away a little too much.
But the we part is just,
I don't know,
it seems a little bit misleading.
They're seeking recognition from peers,
said Ken Weaverling,
manager of computer services
at Delaware Technical and Community College's
Scranton slash Willington campus.
They all want to be elite.
And to some hackers,
people who have been arrested for cyber crimes
have become virtual folk heroes.
Mitnick,
the notorious hacker mentioned in the Delaware teen's message,
was indicted last year on charges stemming,
here we go again,
from a multi-million dollar crime wave in cyberspace.
You know, every time,
we mentioned that last week, right?
Mentioned that last week,
and sure enough,
sure enough,
that's exactly what they are saying.
Because it appeared in the Associated Press,
they have made it a fact
that he engaged in a multi-million dollar crime wave.
When in actuality,
he's been indicted for things that,
in no way can you say this is multi-million dollar,
you know,
copying a file.
It just isn't.
You know,
but as long as they can say this in the Associated Press,
people will start believing it.
So he kind of went on a cyber crime spree.
That's what they're saying.
The 2600 Magazine website
includes a detailed update on Mitnick.
It also shows a reproduction of the NASA site
altered in March,
which includes a poem,
which I'm not going to read here
because the facts sort of cut off.
So I don't remember what it is myself.
But for the most part,
it seems like bored teenagers
sitting in a basement somewhere,
said Chris Patterson,
systems administrator
for an internet service provider
called Delanet.
Isn't that a good name for
a provider in Delaware?
Delanet.
Delanet.
Patterson said hackers
try to break into his system
about once a week,
but have never caused damage.
What's worked for us
is just keeping track
of what the hackers are doing.
So, I don't know.
I think that's kind of the same thing.
Well, I don't have a problem with that.
I mean, you know,
within limits, within reason.
I mean, I'm the administrator
of a number of systems.
If somebody popped on
that I didn't invite,
I'd probably more than likely
boot them off.
Right.
If it happened in the first place.
And you wouldn't call the feds?
No, not at all.
Okay.
Well, I suppose we could
open up the phone lines
at 212-279-3400.
You know, I wanted to talk also
about our little DSS adventure
because we talked about that
a few weeks ago
where we were, you know,
experimenting with DSS.
And I finally got the thing hooked up
and I was playing around with it.
In fact, you were playing around
with it too.
Sure.
It's an interesting service,
but you know,
I bought this magazine.
If you could give that back to me.
It's called Orbit.
Yeah, Orbit.
Now, I thought Orbit
would take care of DSS,
but you know what?
Instead, the people
who put out Orbit,
which is a complete national
TV programming guide,
they really look down upon DSS.
You know?
The reason is, I guess,
because their dishes
are too small or something like that.
They're not like real big,
manly dishes.
Yeah.
And these are the ones that,
you know, that I guess
the people out in Kansas have
where they basically get
everything under their belt.
They basically get everything
under the sun.
They're going around,
I mean, right now, okay?
Nothing, as far as I'm concerned,
nothing has turned me off
more to TV than having access
to 300 TV channels.
Okay?
I have not even turned it on
in weeks.
It makes me sick.
It makes me ill.
It's not like you're getting,
you know, a bunch of like
BAI type things,
or alternative thoughts
or anything like that.
You're getting more of the same.
You know?
It's always geared towards
the same middle class,
American family type
value system thing.
You know?
That's always what you get,
whether it's Shop at Home,
whether it's, you know,
it's a movie channel,
whether it's a music channel
or a sports channel.
It's always geared towards
those same values.
You know?
I'm looking for something
different, you know,
all kinds of different values
and controversial things
and international stuff.
It's not there.
I mean, there's some stuff,
but it's very, very,
very hard to find.
So right now,
do you know how many HBOs I get?
Um...
This is ridiculous.
At least half a dozen, right?
Oh, boy.
There's HBO 1, 2, 3,
and then 1 West, 2 West.
So that's 5 right there.
Then they have this HBO
family nonsense,
which I just started.
And they have the West feed
of that as well.
So what's that?
7?
That's 7 HBOs.
Now, the people of
Orbit magazine
are going crazy saying,
DSS people only get 7 HBOs.
We get 9.
Whoa.
They get HBO Mountain.
You know?
Oh, great.
The Mountain feed of HBO.
What am I missing?
You know?
And it just goes on.
These people are insane.
They're out of their minds.
Of course,
they're probably going to
listen to the show
on Real Audio
and be very angry at us,
but come on, people.
I mean,
how much of this crap
can you take?
It's the same stuff
over and over again,
just over, you know,
saturating the market.
I want to go back
to a regular TV set
that just gets like
Channel 2 through 13.
Yeah.
I think those are
the good old days.
I mean, you know,
you have a little bit of variety.
You have some...
Who needs two comedy
central channels?
Who needs two
Discovery channels?
Two Disney channels?
Two of everything.
They're the same thing.
The exact same thing.
Two Lifetimes.
Two MTVs.
I don't know.
I don't know.
So, yeah,
it's been
an interesting experience.
We haven't figured out
how to crack
the system yet.
They do use smart cards.
They use smart cards,
but supposedly
there are smart cards
around there
that will do things
that they don't
normally do.
So, yeah,
it's been an interesting
experience.
So, yeah,
there are smart cards
around there
that will do things
to your system
to allow you
to get everything.
Well, I would be
willing to bet.
Yes.
I'm assuming the purpose
of that is that you
could go to a friend's
house and bring
your smart card
and he would have
your subscription.
Mm-hmm.
So you could bring
around your subscription
to the channels
you pay for
or on the smart card
and you could
bring it with you.
That's what I think.
I think it's sort of
like your phone.
Right.
It's a smart card.
Mm-hmm.
I'm assuming they
probably save
all your menus,
how you have them
configured,
for what channels
you want to scan
if you set it up that way.
Yeah, you see,
there's all these
things you can set up.
You can set up
your favorites
and the order
you want to go in
and how it's listed,
if it's alphabetical
or not.
There's all kinds
of weird things, too.
There's like the CRTC,
the rural telecommunications
collective or something.
Yeah.
It's like
the rural telecommunications
collective
or something.
It's like
something for farmers
to have access
to cable TV
or to satellites.
It's a private network.
If you click
on that channel,
it says
private use only.
You may not watch this.
Wow.
Yeah.
You have to be careful
what you tune to.
There's all these
sports networks
that I'd never even
heard of before.
There's all these
different things,
Sports Channel Cincinnati,
Sports Channel Ohio,
and all kinds
of bizarre things.
The funny thing is,
and they don't tell you
this when you get
it, not that I care,
but when an actual
game comes on,
they black that out
because that you
have to pay for.
You have to subscribe
to those.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
You get all the things
that they put on at
two in the morning,
like women's bowling
from Kansas City
or something like that.
You'll get that,
but you also get that
on all the other
channels as well
because they all air
the same programming
at that point.
It's kind of misleading
as far as that goes
if you're into
that kind of thing,
which I can't say
that I am.
It's interesting,
but it's just kind of
weird that even if
you get 300 channels,
you're still looked down
upon by the people
who can get 500.
It's not having
enough choice.
It's not choice.
It's the same thing,
just oversaturated.
I'd like to see some
real changes there.
What's the deal
with the golf channel?
What is that?
Everyone gets that now.
That's even on cable TV.
All they do is
talk about golf.
We haven't got
that in Manhattan yet.
You're supposed
to be getting it.
Yeah, you're going
to get it whether
you want it or not.
I like to hold my breath
and wait for them
to say golf and see
if I can pass out,
but I never do.
They always get
to that word
at some point
in the sentence.
What's the deal with that?
How come there's not
a Hiawaii channel
or a squash channel?
Give it time.
Look, why isn't
there a Pacifica channel
on TV?
Why isn't there
something like that?
Why isn't there
all kinds of
different things?
All the news comes
from the same
basic perspective.
There should be
a Rebel channel.
There should be
an Off the Hook channel.
No, let's not
make an
Off the Hook channel.
All right.
So anyway,
212-279-3400,
we have to give
our callers a chance.
Fiber, why don't
you be quiet
because you've
already talked?
Rebel, any other
remarks?
You're not Rebel,
you're Fiber,
and Fiber was late
today so Fiber
may not speak.
Now Rebel,
what about you?
Oh, I agree
we should take
some callers.
Okay, let's do
that then.
Good idea.
212-279-3400,
we have to give
our callers a chance.
212-279-3400,
good evening,
you're on the air.
Why is it?
Why is it
people always
have to like
just sort of
sit there and
be all puzzled
and perplexed
and things like that?
Why is that?
I think they're
frightened.
I think they're
just a little
confused there.
212-279-3400,
good evening,
you're on the air.
All right,
yeah, this is
Ariel.
And what were
you saying,
what you were
saying before
about people
being afraid
of damage,
it's just they're
trying to scare
people away
from doing it,
trying to make
them think that
all this damage
is caused.
I'm sure they
had copies of
everything like
you said.
Right, of course,
yeah, it's a way
of making people
fear the government
I guess and the
corporations that
they might hack
into because
they'll be charged
with, I mean if
you hack into an
individual's page
they're not going
to charge you
with $10,000
because they have
an ISP right now
and they give
access to all
their webpages
and I upload like
my homepage
accidentally to
their homepage,
they didn't care,
they just said,
oh, we'll do it
next time.
Uh-huh, yeah,
it's a trivial thing
and obviously these
people really don't
know what they're
doing, you know,
that's how they got
hacked in the first
place.
So, you know,
I see web hacks
as something pretty
inconsequential,
I mean it's a great
way to get a message
out and it's sort
of like a little
statement right there
which I guess are
the most, you know,
the most damaging
to organizations
like that.
So you don't think
this person should
be held accountable
for $10,000 worth
of damage, I take it.
Okay, well I guess
your silence indicates
that no, you should
not wish that.
Let's go on to
the next call,
212-279-3400.
Good evening,
you're on the air.
Oh, boy don't I
sound good through
that radio there.
Yes, I do.
Hello, Manuel?
Yes, go ahead.
Did you get a
package some time
ago about
MetroCard?
Did I get a package
about MetroCard?
Oh, you know what?
I did get a package,
yes.
I got a package.
The man gave it to
me and I gave him
a nice tip and he
said there would be
more coming.
Is that right?
Yes, there was.
Good, good, good.
Okay, that's nice
to know.
Yes, MetroCard.
You know, I had a
MetroCard adventure
the other day, okay.
I'm glad you
reminded me.
I jumped the
turnstile.
Yes, I did.
That's right.
Me, Emanuel
Goldstein, jumped
the turnstile and I
did it right at 34th
and A Street on the
A, C, E line going
uptown and the
reason I did was
because I had to
meet somebody uptown
and I had to meet
them.
You know, it was
like they're going to
be there in five
minutes and this was
the train was there
at that point in time.
I had my MetroCard.
I swiped my
MetroCard.
It said swipe
again, so I swiped
again.
It said swipe again
and I swiped one more
time and it said
too fast, swipe again.
So I went to the
other turnstile and I
swiped twice, like
three more times and
finally I said, well,
gosh darn it all with
this.
Let's not even deal
with this anymore and
I just jumped over the
turnstile.
Now, of course, right
there is where the
train is.
This is like the only
turnstile in Manhattan
where you jump the
turnstile and the
motorman is there
watching you do it and
he yelled at me saying
you shouldn't do that
and I said, well, you
know, it would be good
if you guys made cards
that worked and I
wouldn't have to do
this, but if you want
my card here, take my
card.
I don't need it.
And, well, he wasn't
convinced.
But that was my MetroCard
thing.
I tried it again today,
the same card.
It took seven tries to
work, so these things
are not exactly
cutting-edge technology.
You said you were
trying to erase them
and they wouldn't
erase.
Yeah, well, it seems
to have worked now.
I don't know what I
did.
I just put them in my
pocket.
I guess maybe you're
not supposed to do
that.
Well, I was reading
some literature from
one of the manufacturers
of banking equipment
and they said that they
use in their magnetic
equipment, it's not
really magnetic.
They use radioactive
elements to put the
encoding on the card,
so that may be one of
the reasons why it
wouldn't erase.
It's not magnetic.
It's radioactive
imprinting material
that they put under
the magnetic stripe.
Well, maybe I got
radiated or something.
I don't know.
But were you able to
understand those
schematics yourself?
Somewhat.
I had reason to use
them at some point.
There's about three
or four schematics
that I know of.
I don't know
exactly how many
there are, but
there's some
three or four
different versions
that they come in.
And basically,
it's a matter of
what jumpers
are connected
depending on what
piece of equipment
it would go in.
So, if you're able
to decipher any of
them, let us know.
I sent you an email
also, by the way.
You didn't respond
to it.
Probably because
I've been deluged
over the past few
weeks with getting
the summer issue
out and working
on Beyond Hope,
but you will get
a reply by fall,
I promise.
But, yeah,
we'll be
doing stuff
with this
at Beyond Hope,
and we'll be
talking about it
at length
and experimenting
with all sorts
of things like that.
All right, Emmanuel.
All right, thanks
for sending it in,
and keep us in mind.
Take care.
All right, take care.
If you have any
interesting documents
that you want to
send to us,
our address here
is off the hook,
care of WBAI radio.
That's 505 8th Avenue,
New York, New York,
10018.
Or, if you want
to send something
to 2600 Magazine,
our address out there
is New York 11953.
And, yes,
we need volunteers
for Beyond Hope,
you know,
the Hacker Conference,
which will be
taking place
August 8th,
9th, and 10th,
downtown Manhattan,
Puck Building.
We'll be broadcasting
live August 9th,
which is Saturday
from 6 to 8 p.m.,
special two-hour show
live from the
Puck Building.
That's going to be
kind of neat,
all kinds of surprises
that will be
happening then.
And if you're
interested in
volunteering,
stay tuned,
because we'll
give information
on what you can do
to help out.
212-279-3400.
Good evening,
you're on the air.
Yes.
Yes, hello.
Yes, how you doing?
Hey, who's this?
This is the person
that's hanging up on you
because you don't know
who you're talking to.
Good evening,
you're on the air.
Oh, hello.
Yes, go ahead.
Hi, I just wanted
to say, first of all,
that I really enjoy
your show.
Thank you.
Every week.
Thank you very much.
No problem.
I had a,
kind of a problem,
computer-related problem.
I'm here for you.
Thank you.
Thanks for feeling my pain.
No problem.
However,
it was a little
confidential,
and I didn't really
feel comfortable
talking about it
on the air,
and I was wondering
if there was any way
I might be able to
take advantage
of your wisdom.
Just get to the problem.
I can't really do it
on the air,
that's the thing,
but I would really
appreciate it
if I could speak to you,
and I was wondering
if there's somewhere
I could reach you.
Does it burn when you pee?
It's not quite that bad,
but I mean,
not quite that private,
but still,
it's not,
you know.
What kind of problem
are we talking about here?
Well,
nothing as serious
as these.
Do this.
Come to the 2600 meeting
July 4th.
That's right,
July 4th,
Independence Day,
where we celebrate
the independence
of hackers everywhere,
and that will be
at the usual place,
Citicorp Center,
which is at 53rd
and Lexington Avenue,
and if you have
any problems,
come there.
And when is that?
I just said when it was.
July 4th.
Oh, you said it was,
okay,
it was on July 4th.
Yes, July 4th
from 5 to 8 p.m.
Okay.
It's going to take place
on that day
as scheduled,
and yes,
it is not closed.
It is July 4th.
It is not.
It's a bank.
It's,
it's not closed.
How do you know?
Gag him.
All right.
212-279-3400.
Have you shackled?
Good evening,
you're on the air.
Gag him.
Um,
come on,
people.
All right,
look,
the thing is,
the thing is,
this is how it works.
When you call
into the radio show,
you have to stay
on the phone.
You can't go away
from the phone
and listen to the radio.
It doesn't work that way.
Listen to the rings.
It means you're in line
and we'll get to you.
You can have the radio
on in the background,
but you've got to
stay on the phone,
so when you hear my voice
say,
hello,
you're on the air,
you know that I'm
talking to you
because it's coming
into your ear
through the phone.
I guess,
I don't know why.
Good evening,
you're on the air.
Hello?
You see,
it was too long,
too long.
They almost made it.
They almost made it.
It's close.
You know,
they're about halfway there,
but this is what,
you know,
let's pretend you're a caller.
Okay.
Hello,
you're on the air.
Hello,
Emmanuel.
See,
that's nice and quick.
Rebel,
why don't you run
into the other room
and make a phone call
to us because you always,
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Couldn't get much worse
But if they could, they would
Fundidly bond for the best, expect the worst
I hope that's understood
Fundidly bond
How do you turn the rough ride of a spring membership drive into a glittering highway of success?
In a word, fulfillment
Yes, that's right
Please, when you get your bill from WBAI, don't be a stranger
Please do everything you can to honor your pledge as soon as possible
And we will find ourselves on the other end of this drive with a complete fulfillment ratio
100% fulfillment
What could be finer?
Please honor your pledges today
Thank you for watching