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the one that's saying, a parasite ate part of my brain, please vote for me for president. 129 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,200 You know? 130 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,280 Campaigns are not what they used to be. 131 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:48,840 Yeah, and also, like, take this other unsolicited medical advice I've given you. 132 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:55,680 All right, well, I want to thank everybody who called in last week when we started the 133 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:56,680 fundraiser. 134 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:04,880 Apparently, we got a very good reaction, and we'd like people to continue to call in, 212-209-2950, 135 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,040 or give to WBAI.org. 136 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:12,040 We'll have some more details in just a couple of moments, but, you know, I wanted to call 137 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:18,600 attention to this story because I think it's very important because it has to do with radio. 138 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,520 And radio is something that we all love. 139 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,160 That's why we're involved in it in the first place. 140 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:32,160 And this particular story here in Business Insider is entitled, Radio Isn't Dead, Yet. 141 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,720 Thank or Blame Your Car. 142 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,880 And just a couple of words from this, it's mostly an opinion piece. 143 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:45,720 Radio is an old-timey medium that made sense when there was no other way to listen to things. 144 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,280 But it makes no sense in the age of Spotify and podcasts and listening to what you want 145 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:52,480 when you want to listen to it. 146 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:57,080 Well, not exactly, at least not according to a new survey from Nielsen, which argues 147 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,440 that lots of people still listen to radio. 148 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,360 And obviously, you're one of them. 149 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:07,160 Whether you're listening to us online, over the air, you're listening to radio. 150 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:12,440 Now, specifically, Nielsen says that radio accounts for nearly 70 percent, that's seven 151 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:19,280 zero percent of all listening time to ad-supported audio, which obviously is not us, but we're 152 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:20,280 definitely radio. 153 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:25,040 And that's for adults in the U.S. with the remainder cut up between podcast, streaming 154 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,320 audio, satellite radio. 155 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:34,680 But not surprisingly, those numbers are weighted towards people 35 and up who are likely to 156 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,080 remember a time when radio was the only way to listen to audio other than people speaking 157 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,400 directly to you. 158 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,520 But radio is still strong for a younger demo. 159 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:48,160 I can't believe I just used a term like demo over the air. 160 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,400 Yeah, demographic. 161 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:55,920 Nielsen says it accounts for 45 percent of ad-supported listening for 18 to 34 year olds. 162 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,920 Again, we're not ad-supported, we're listener-supported. 163 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:06,480 And I would argue that we have an even higher number of people that listen to this brand 164 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:14,260 of radio because it's not ad-supported, it's not filled with garbage that doesn't come 165 00:07:14,260 --> 00:07:15,260 from the heart. 166 00:07:15,260 --> 00:07:21,000 See, when you listen to a station like WBAI, you're hearing people, individual people who 167 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,960 are speaking from the heart, who are saying what is on their mind at the moment. 168 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,160 It's 7.07 p.m. in New York right now. 169 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:29,240 It's live. 170 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:30,480 We're individual people. 171 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,160 We're not artificial intelligence. 172 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,520 We're not pre-recorded. 173 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:40,000 We're not piped in from some faraway place that's never heard of the place that we are. 174 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:46,720 And radio is always under threat from one source or another. 175 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:54,640 But in particular, lately, AM radio, yeah, that other band, that kind of radio is really 176 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:55,640 under threat. 177 00:07:55,640 --> 00:08:00,200 There is a bipartisan group of U.S. senators, and I don't say that phrase very often, but 178 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,200 there is a bipartisan group of U.S. senators. 179 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:11,800 They're fighting back against automakers who want to remove AM radio from their vehicles. 180 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,000 The Senate is looking to pass the AM Radio for Every Vehicle Act. 181 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,440 I'll say it again, AM Radio for Every Vehicle Act. 182 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,840 Does that spell something? 183 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,040 Miva. 184 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,440 Okay, they probably could have come up with something better. 185 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,800 But that would require the Department of Transportation to issue a rule that requires all new motor 186 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:38,520 vehicles to have devices that can access AM broadcast stations as standard equipment. 187 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:45,720 Now, last year, my old friend, Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts, surveyed 20 automakers, 188 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,360 found out eight had removed the radio from their electric vehicles. 189 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:51,640 Why? 190 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,680 Because of strong interference between the motors and the AM frequencies. 191 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:58,040 Yeah. 192 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:04,280 So because these electric vehicle manufacturers haven't figured out yet how to stop all the 193 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:09,840 interference from being generated from their cars and blocking out AM frequencies, their 194 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,800 solution was simply to remove the AM radio. 195 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:23,240 You know, all of that interference, if you will, is still there. 196 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:30,120 It's still being broadcast or piped or whatever the technical phrase is. 197 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,960 Who knows what kind of health effect that has on people in those cars, if it can block 198 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,180 out an entire AM radio frequency. 199 00:09:38,180 --> 00:09:44,340 The solution, rather than have a crappy radio in the car that you can't hear, is to get 200 00:09:44,340 --> 00:09:45,580 rid of the radio. 201 00:09:45,580 --> 00:09:50,380 I think the solution should be fix the technology so that that doesn't happen or come up with 202 00:09:50,380 --> 00:09:51,380 something better. 203 00:09:51,380 --> 00:09:59,340 A total of 60 senators have co-sponsored the bill, including John Hoeven, a Republican 204 00:09:59,340 --> 00:10:00,340 from North Dakota. 205 00:10:00,340 --> 00:10:05,740 And if you get a Republican from North Dakota to agree, you've got something. 206 00:10:05,740 --> 00:10:11,580 He said AM radio is critical for rural communities that rely on stations for information. 207 00:10:11,580 --> 00:10:14,580 Now, Kyle, we were just out in Texas after the eclipse. 208 00:10:14,580 --> 00:10:22,260 We were driving into Dallas and the sky was getting dark and we saw lightning and we knew 209 00:10:22,260 --> 00:10:23,740 something was coming. 210 00:10:23,740 --> 00:10:27,540 We knew there was a storm literally on the horizon. 211 00:10:27,540 --> 00:10:31,460 And luckily, we had an AM radio in the car we were driving. 212 00:10:31,460 --> 00:10:36,300 In fact, I even remembered from my childhood days when I would turn on an AM radio in my 213 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:39,780 bedroom and listen to distant radio stations because you can do that. 214 00:10:39,780 --> 00:10:44,820 After the sun goes down, AM radio propagates and you can hear stations from all over the 215 00:10:44,820 --> 00:10:49,820 country or at least up to the Mississippi pretty much here in New York. 216 00:10:49,820 --> 00:10:54,020 And I remember listening to a station called WBAP, 820 AM. 217 00:10:54,020 --> 00:10:58,100 I remember listening to that station and saying, wow, I'm here in Dallas. 218 00:10:58,340 --> 00:11:01,900 I'm here on Long Island, but I'm listening to Dallas on the radio. 219 00:11:01,900 --> 00:11:03,100 I remember that frequency. 220 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:04,140 I remember that station. 221 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:05,300 I tuned to that station. 222 00:11:05,300 --> 00:11:10,780 And sure enough, they were activating the emergency alert system every 10 minutes or 223 00:11:10,780 --> 00:11:17,020 so warning people about severe thunderstorms, possible tornadoes, dangerous hail, all kinds 224 00:11:17,020 --> 00:11:18,300 of things. 225 00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:24,900 And then a few days later, we were driving into New Orleans and there was this massive 226 00:11:24,900 --> 00:11:29,460 flooding going on, flash flooding, dangerous, life-threatening flooding. 227 00:11:29,460 --> 00:11:32,660 I remember WWL, 870 AM. 228 00:11:32,660 --> 00:11:36,540 Also when I was a kid listening to distant AM stations. 229 00:11:36,540 --> 00:11:37,540 This is important. 230 00:11:37,540 --> 00:11:38,540 This matters. 231 00:11:38,540 --> 00:11:45,220 When you're on the road, even when you're in a community, local radio is super important 232 00:11:45,220 --> 00:11:46,860 and it must be preserved. 233 00:11:46,860 --> 00:11:48,500 Can't be replaced by Spotify. 234 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:51,420 Can't be replaced by your MP3 player. 235 00:11:51,420 --> 00:11:53,460 It's hugely important. 236 00:11:54,020 --> 00:12:02,220 Well, yeah, it isn't even that our memory of what it was is as important, but it's that 237 00:12:02,220 --> 00:12:05,900 distance, the propagation distance. 238 00:12:05,900 --> 00:12:12,220 I think that's part of the argument for situations where you need to get the word out over a 239 00:12:12,220 --> 00:12:22,020 tremendous amount of terrain that may be varied and so needs that kind of power. 240 00:12:22,060 --> 00:12:30,980 I think regardless of what the history is, we have to kind of agree on a way to get critical 241 00:12:30,980 --> 00:12:33,060 information out. 242 00:12:33,060 --> 00:12:36,980 This is kind of a difficult thing to say, but I think I'm in agreement. 243 00:12:36,980 --> 00:12:39,540 I think most people would agree. 244 00:12:39,540 --> 00:12:49,420 The AM spectrum itself may not be filled with that much of a variation across the country. 245 00:12:49,500 --> 00:12:55,020 I think this is a reflection of recent experience traveling around and just generally what people 246 00:12:55,020 --> 00:12:59,500 understand of the kinds of content on AM radio. 247 00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:02,060 It's religion, right wing radio and sports. 248 00:13:02,060 --> 00:13:03,060 That's pretty much it. 249 00:13:03,060 --> 00:13:04,060 Indeed. 250 00:13:04,060 --> 00:13:05,060 Exactly. 251 00:13:05,060 --> 00:13:06,060 And stations from Cuba occasionally. 252 00:13:06,060 --> 00:13:12,740 However, in a situation, yeah, and stations from Cuba with a clock. 253 00:13:12,740 --> 00:13:13,740 There's a station. 254 00:13:13,740 --> 00:13:14,740 A metronome. 255 00:13:14,740 --> 00:13:17,860 I forget the frequency, but you will find a station, you can hear it all throughout Florida, 256 00:13:17,860 --> 00:13:22,500 that has a ticking clock and they're giving the time, but they're also giving headlines. 257 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:24,940 They speak over it. 258 00:13:24,940 --> 00:13:31,820 But those things in a storm, you don't have to and say there's talk that you don't necessarily, 259 00:13:31,820 --> 00:13:41,780 of course, much as the kinds of and very much like what we do here and say at WBAI, we may 260 00:13:41,780 --> 00:13:46,620 not agree necessarily with the talk that's going on in between those alerts, but those 261 00:13:46,620 --> 00:13:51,500 alerts are critical if you're unfamiliar with an area, if something is emerging that 262 00:13:51,500 --> 00:13:59,660 is incredibly impactful to your visit and your transit of an area. 263 00:13:59,660 --> 00:14:03,900 So weather, of course, but all kinds of emergency situations. 264 00:14:03,900 --> 00:14:10,180 We need to agree upon something and this, I'm not an expert in radio frequency or anything. 265 00:14:10,180 --> 00:14:14,900 I'm not going to purport to be, but the manufacturers have to come on side with like, okay, can 266 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:25,900 we insulate or otherwise protect the ability to receive on whatever channels we agree upon? 267 00:14:25,900 --> 00:14:34,300 History, nostalgia aside, is it important to be able to broadcast in a variety of situations 268 00:14:34,300 --> 00:14:40,620 to these new vehicles as a backup or as an option, regardless of content and how it's 269 00:14:40,620 --> 00:14:41,620 used now? 270 00:14:41,620 --> 00:14:42,620 And I think that is AM. 271 00:14:43,060 --> 00:14:49,060 It's also important to have that service be available, not to be substituted by this new 272 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:56,140 high tech way of doing it that requires a phone signal or a phone or all kinds of internet 273 00:14:56,140 --> 00:14:57,140 access. 274 00:14:57,140 --> 00:15:01,120 No, there's nothing simpler than turning on a radio and there's a signal that's coming 275 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,500 through the air. 276 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:03,620 You are not identified. 277 00:15:03,620 --> 00:15:06,900 You're able to simply pick up the signal and get information. 278 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:12,020 And that is something that, you know, as I said, what they broadcast usually is probably 279 00:15:12,020 --> 00:15:13,920 not my cup of tea. 280 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,660 That doesn't mean I cannot support the medium and I certainly hope it goes both ways. 281 00:15:17,660 --> 00:15:21,740 I certainly hope there are people out there who listen to different kinds of radio stations 282 00:15:21,740 --> 00:15:29,140 who see the importance of WBAI and why a station like this is vital in many ways. 283 00:15:29,140 --> 00:15:34,660 But Alex, do you have a point on AM radio or have you listened to AM radio recently? 284 00:15:34,660 --> 00:15:36,540 Yeah, I have. 285 00:15:36,540 --> 00:15:42,060 And I'm wondering if the nature of the bipartisan support is because AM radio, as you noted, 286 00:15:42,060 --> 00:15:48,700 is mostly a bunch of Bible banging, Jesus preaching xenophobia that's out there. 287 00:15:48,700 --> 00:15:50,160 Quite possibly, maybe. 288 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,820 But on the other hand, I see this as an opportunity. 289 00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:59,180 If this AM radio for every vehicle act does, in fact, pass, you're going to have all these 290 00:15:59,180 --> 00:16:03,380 cars that are going to be manufactured in the future that are going to have AM radios. 291 00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:08,860 And why is it then that we can't change the content that's out there? 292 00:16:08,860 --> 00:16:10,980 It doesn't have to be religious content. 293 00:16:10,980 --> 00:16:17,780 Why can't we broadcast or maybe this is an opportunity for, dare I say, a bunch of pirate 294 00:16:17,780 --> 00:16:23,500 radio stations taking over the AM spectrum if it's going to be an unregulated space out 295 00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:25,660 there that nobody seems to care about? 296 00:16:25,660 --> 00:16:31,300 Or perhaps we do it the right way and we get some kind of FCC license to broadcast on AM 297 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:32,300 radio. 298 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:34,580 It's probably a lot cheaper to do so now. 299 00:16:34,580 --> 00:16:40,980 But I think that there's a market there and this is a really niche market and I think 300 00:16:40,980 --> 00:16:46,420 it could be really interesting to change the entire perspective of the content that's out 301 00:16:46,420 --> 00:16:47,420 there on AM radio. 302 00:16:47,420 --> 00:16:48,420 I think it can be done. 303 00:16:48,420 --> 00:16:49,420 We could call it Air America. 304 00:16:49,420 --> 00:16:50,420 What could go wrong? 305 00:16:50,420 --> 00:16:51,420 I'm sorry. 306 00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:53,780 That was a cheap shot. 307 00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:55,100 But yeah, I agree with you. 308 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:56,100 I do. 309 00:16:56,100 --> 00:16:59,660 It's just these things always seem to be a lot harder to pull off than we think. 310 00:16:59,900 --> 00:17:05,340 I think that's so interesting, that trade-off. 311 00:17:05,340 --> 00:17:12,540 If this does go through, what will then become of that landscape, of those frequencies, how 312 00:17:12,540 --> 00:17:14,500 it's used? 313 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:20,540 If it's abandoned and it doesn't have the reach and value it does to current holders 314 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:27,620 and the consolidated forces of the market of today, then of course that devaluing will 315 00:17:27,620 --> 00:17:36,620 make it much more approachable for entities that may not have the same tax-free religious 316 00:17:36,620 --> 00:17:42,540 status or other variables that allow them the largesse in the market. 317 00:17:42,540 --> 00:17:46,300 You can have low-power AM, like Alex suggested. 318 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:49,780 So it's either way, like, okay, so are we on board with this or not? 319 00:17:49,780 --> 00:17:58,780 Because if it's not that valuable and that market seeds, and of course you lose people 320 00:17:58,780 --> 00:18:03,820 with older vehicles, all of those AM radios then become less useful. 321 00:18:03,820 --> 00:18:07,660 It is a loss to the value it has had. 322 00:18:07,660 --> 00:18:08,660 Right. 323 00:18:08,660 --> 00:18:11,100 The technology is extremely important to preserve. 324 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:12,180 People always want to fill that. 325 00:18:12,180 --> 00:18:15,500 I don't want to see us making the same mistake that we're making with all kinds of other 326 00:18:15,500 --> 00:18:20,540 old bits of technology, assuming it's not relevant anymore, getting rid of pay phones, 327 00:18:20,540 --> 00:18:26,420 getting rid of copper, and basically suffering when something goes wrong and our new technology 328 00:18:26,420 --> 00:18:29,220 fails, not having something to fall back on. 329 00:18:29,220 --> 00:18:36,300 And certainly being able to broadcast and listen to something with just a radio, that 330 00:18:36,300 --> 00:18:39,300 is the basic that should never go away. 331 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:40,300 Yeah. 332 00:18:40,300 --> 00:18:47,940 And there's a lot of equipment and modernization does have fall-on effects for the ways that 333 00:18:47,940 --> 00:18:53,060 you might transmit over AM in a vacuum in the market. 334 00:18:53,060 --> 00:18:56,940 So it's not something that is necessarily going to go away. 335 00:18:56,940 --> 00:19:00,280 It may be costlier than things like FM or satellite. 336 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,260 It's not an advancement if you can no longer hear the radio signal you could hear 50 years 337 00:19:04,260 --> 00:19:05,260 ago. 338 00:19:05,260 --> 00:19:06,260 That's not an advancement. 339 00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:08,460 We're doing something wrong, and I'm sure there's a solution. 340 00:19:08,460 --> 00:19:09,460 Let's get on that. 341 00:19:09,460 --> 00:19:10,460 Let's make it a priority. 342 00:19:10,460 --> 00:19:11,460 Okay. 343 00:19:11,460 --> 00:19:16,060 Another priority is keeping this place on the air so that we continue to broadcast. 344 00:19:16,060 --> 00:19:18,980 Again, thanks to the people who called in last week. 345 00:19:18,980 --> 00:19:21,660 The number is 212-209-2950. 346 00:19:21,660 --> 00:19:26,100 The website is give2wbai.org. 347 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:31,940 And we are offering, I guess we're offering a radio station here. 348 00:19:31,940 --> 00:19:36,140 We're offering an amazing broadcast facility. 349 00:19:36,140 --> 00:19:42,020 It brings you all kinds of differing opinions, all kinds of perspectives. 350 00:19:42,020 --> 00:19:45,500 And I guarantee you, many of them you will not agree with. 351 00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:46,800 Many of them you will have problems with. 352 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,860 Many of them you will find yourself shouting at the radio. 353 00:19:48,860 --> 00:19:50,620 But that is what we bring to you. 354 00:19:50,620 --> 00:19:55,600 That is what this place has been about since 1960 when it first went on the air. 355 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,140 If that means something to you, then please join the family. 356 00:20:00,140 --> 00:20:03,140 Call, pledge, go online and pledge. 357 00:20:03,140 --> 00:20:11,300 And for every pledge of $150 or more, we will send you a thank you gift of an off-the-hook 358 00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:13,700 anthology flash drive. 359 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:20,660 What that is, is a collection of every single radio program we have done since 1988, if 360 00:20:20,660 --> 00:20:25,140 you can believe that, up until the end of 2023. 361 00:20:25,140 --> 00:20:28,840 In each of these shows, we have conversations very much like this one. 362 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,100 We talk about radio. 363 00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:31,100 We talk about technology. 364 00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:34,100 We talk about computers, phones. 365 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:35,100 We argue. 366 00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:36,100 We have different people. 367 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:37,460 We have all kinds of guests. 368 00:20:37,460 --> 00:20:45,020 And it plays back now as interestingly as when it aired live. 369 00:20:45,020 --> 00:20:47,780 You know, you can go back to the 1990s. 370 00:20:47,780 --> 00:20:52,160 And not only do you hear what the news was then, but you hear technology, how technology 371 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,160 sounded different. 372 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,740 You hear how a phone used to ring differently. 373 00:20:55,740 --> 00:21:03,100 You hear how people, when they call in, sometimes a phone call sounded better than they do today 374 00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:05,660 because people use landlines more. 375 00:21:05,660 --> 00:21:08,340 And that was a good thing. 376 00:21:08,340 --> 00:21:09,820 We talk about encryption. 377 00:21:09,820 --> 00:21:11,980 We talk about technology development. 378 00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:14,780 We think about the future, and we're in the future now. 379 00:21:14,780 --> 00:21:20,700 We talk to ourselves now from then and say, future selves, what kind of world are you 380 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:21,700 in? 381 00:21:21,700 --> 00:21:22,700 Now we can answer them. 382 00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:28,260 Some enterprising listener can piece those two shows together and have us talk to ourselves 383 00:21:28,260 --> 00:21:30,380 in a healthy way this time. 384 00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:35,220 And we'll maybe answer some questions, or maybe our predictions will come true, or maybe 385 00:21:35,220 --> 00:21:38,340 they'll be so fantastically wrong that it'll be amusing. 386 00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:43,420 Either way, you're supporting the radio station, and that's what matters more than anything, 387 00:21:43,420 --> 00:21:52,380 is keeping 99.5 FM non-commercial in New York City as it has been for over 60 years, 388 00:21:52,380 --> 00:21:53,780 64 years now. 389 00:21:53,780 --> 00:21:54,900 That is incredible. 390 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:55,900 That is an achievement. 391 00:21:55,900 --> 00:22:01,700 That is an achievement that belongs to the citizens of New York City and the tri-state 392 00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:08,380 area, and in later years, globally, around the world, people who have joined the WBAI 393 00:22:08,380 --> 00:22:09,980 family and supported this place. 394 00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:16,420 Because a radio station like WBAI is rare, doesn't exist most places. 395 00:22:16,420 --> 00:22:20,300 Sure, you have national public radio stations everywhere. 396 00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:26,180 You have different non-commercial type stations, but a station like WBAI, which has so many 397 00:22:26,180 --> 00:22:32,180 different voices and perspectives in the middle of a huge city like New York, that has managed 398 00:22:32,180 --> 00:22:37,460 to survive longer than any commercial radio station in that same period of time. 399 00:22:37,460 --> 00:22:43,620 I challenge any commercial station out there, AM or FM in the New York City area, has anyone 400 00:22:43,620 --> 00:22:53,140 been on the air consistently with a particular format, or in our case, kind of a multi-format format? 401 00:22:53,140 --> 00:22:57,300 Nobody has been able to do that. 402 00:22:57,300 --> 00:23:00,020 Go ahead, Alex. 403 00:23:00,020 --> 00:23:05,460 And correct me if I'm wrong, Emmanuel, but I think that WBAI is unique among even Pacific 404 00:23:05,460 --> 00:23:12,620 stations in that we are a station that is devoted to dialogue, to talk, as opposed to 405 00:23:12,620 --> 00:23:16,740 some of the other Pacific stations that have been playing music for a very long period 406 00:23:16,740 --> 00:23:17,900 of time. 407 00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:23,980 As I understand the history of the Pacifica Foundation as well, is that these stations 408 00:23:23,980 --> 00:23:28,580 were put into the hands, or the licenses were put into the hands of the Pacifica Foundation 409 00:23:28,580 --> 00:23:35,980 with the idea of pacifism in mind, which is where the origin of the term Pacifica comes 410 00:23:35,980 --> 00:23:44,580 from, in that the notion behind the stations was that dialogue and talk was what the world 411 00:23:44,580 --> 00:23:49,820 needed and was what could avoid future world wars. 412 00:23:49,820 --> 00:23:54,460 And I think that WBAI has really held true to that notion, and I think that's why it's 413 00:23:54,460 --> 00:23:59,780 one of the longest-running stations, I think, probably in the country with this particular 414 00:23:59,780 --> 00:24:00,780 type of format. 415 00:24:00,780 --> 00:24:04,740 I would go so far as to say not even New York, but I'd love to know if there are other older 416 00:24:04,740 --> 00:24:12,020 radio stations existing in the country, and so does my beagle, apparently. 417 00:24:12,020 --> 00:24:16,740 Many dogs listen, many cats listen to this radio station, but as your beagle is saying 418 00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:24,420 right now, call 212-209-2950, go to give2wbai.org, join the people who have pledged to support 419 00:24:24,420 --> 00:24:28,560 this place over the years and into the future. 420 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,500 Without you, we're nothing. 421 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:33,980 But am I wrong about that, though, Manuel? 422 00:24:33,980 --> 00:24:41,100 Are the other Pacifica stations – I think KPFK in Berkeley is still a mostly dialogue-talk-focused 423 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:42,100 station, if I understand correctly. 424 00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:43,100 The other stations – 425 00:24:43,100 --> 00:24:44,700 I can't listen to all the stations. 426 00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:49,860 I just know that different stations do things differently, but we all share the same goals 427 00:24:49,860 --> 00:24:50,860 in the end. 428 00:24:50,860 --> 00:24:56,620 WBAI has always been rather unique, mainly because our call letters are different. 429 00:24:56,620 --> 00:25:02,220 The other stations, KPFK, KPFA, KPFT, WPFW, you see kind of a trend here. 430 00:25:02,220 --> 00:25:03,220 And what are we? 431 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:04,460 WBAI. 432 00:25:04,460 --> 00:25:05,460 We're totally different. 433 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:09,940 We kept the call letters that the station before us in 1960 had. 434 00:25:09,940 --> 00:25:13,020 So I think it was – was it World Broadcasters of America? 435 00:25:13,020 --> 00:25:15,020 I don't know what it stood for exactly. 436 00:25:15,020 --> 00:25:19,180 But yeah, there's tremendous history. 437 00:25:19,180 --> 00:25:23,380 But each station is unique in its own way and they've all been around for quite a 438 00:25:23,380 --> 00:25:27,260 while and we want them all to stay around for quite a while. 439 00:25:27,260 --> 00:25:30,860 So yeah, that's hugely important. 440 00:25:31,660 --> 00:25:36,820 We're honored to be a part of that free formatting and it is varied. 441 00:25:36,820 --> 00:25:37,820 It's changing. 442 00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:46,060 It meets the needs of listeners in the New York area and you can count on WBAI, especially 443 00:25:46,060 --> 00:25:54,460 with your support, to be here, to be covering news events, cutting to national events and 444 00:25:54,460 --> 00:26:00,660 bringing you the kind of eclectic talk and other formatting and programming that people 445 00:26:00,660 --> 00:26:04,380 have come to enjoy and new stuff potentially. 446 00:26:04,380 --> 00:26:11,300 This is a place that allows people to get on the air, have shows like ours and introduce 447 00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:17,220 them to the public and have broader reach in their message and in their discussions. 448 00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:18,220 Absolutely. 449 00:26:18,220 --> 00:26:24,140 Again, 202-209-2950, give to WBAI.org, please. 450 00:26:24,140 --> 00:26:27,940 Keep those calls and visits to the website coming in. 451 00:26:28,140 --> 00:26:32,820 Of course, if you have any questions or concerns, oth at 2600.com. 452 00:26:32,820 --> 00:26:37,260 As we pointed out last week, yeah, there are people trying to shut us down, trying to shut 453 00:26:37,260 --> 00:26:41,460 us on the show down, trying to shut the radio station down, trying to shut down the concept 454 00:26:41,460 --> 00:26:43,660 of non-commercial radio. 455 00:26:43,660 --> 00:26:47,580 Always has been the case, always will be the case, but I think all of us together are stronger 456 00:26:47,580 --> 00:26:50,780 than that and we seem to have proven it many, many times. 457 00:26:50,780 --> 00:26:52,580 All right, moving on. 458 00:26:52,580 --> 00:26:53,580 Hacker happenings. 459 00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:55,140 A lot of hacker happenings this summer. 460 00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:59,380 I just wanted to outline a few of them, starting with this month. 461 00:26:59,380 --> 00:27:04,260 We have a couple of different conventions going on, including a couple you might never 462 00:27:04,260 --> 00:27:05,260 have heard of before. 463 00:27:05,260 --> 00:27:06,260 How about CackalackyCon? 464 00:27:06,260 --> 00:27:07,260 Have you heard about that one, Alex? 465 00:27:07,260 --> 00:27:08,260 No? 466 00:27:08,260 --> 00:27:11,260 Can't even guess where it is, can you? 467 00:27:11,260 --> 00:27:12,260 Wait. 468 00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:13,260 Cackalacky. 469 00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:14,260 Cackalacky. 470 00:27:14,260 --> 00:27:16,260 We don't have time for you to ponder it. 471 00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:17,260 Yes or no? 472 00:27:17,260 --> 00:27:18,260 Do you know what it is? 473 00:27:18,260 --> 00:27:19,260 No. 474 00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:20,260 Okay. 475 00:27:20,260 --> 00:27:21,260 I don't. 476 00:27:21,260 --> 00:27:22,260 Let me guess though. 477 00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:23,260 Somewhere in Pennsylvania? 478 00:27:23,260 --> 00:27:24,260 No, it's not. 479 00:27:24,380 --> 00:27:25,380 It's somewhere in North Carolina. 480 00:27:25,380 --> 00:27:26,380 I would not have guessed. 481 00:27:26,380 --> 00:27:38,340 If you go to CackalackyCon.org, I'll spell it, C-A-C-K-A-L-A-C-K-Y-C-O-N dot O-R-G, 482 00:27:38,340 --> 00:27:44,020 and that is a hacker convention taking place down there in North Carolina on May 17th through 483 00:27:44,020 --> 00:27:45,380 19th. 484 00:27:45,380 --> 00:27:47,540 Also on that date is NOLACON. 485 00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:48,540 You want to give a guess for that one? 486 00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:49,540 It's a little easier. 487 00:27:49,540 --> 00:27:50,540 NOLACON. 488 00:27:50,540 --> 00:27:51,540 Same weekend. 489 00:27:51,540 --> 00:27:52,540 That would be New Orleans. 490 00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:53,540 That's correct, Alex. 491 00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:54,540 That's correct. 492 00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:55,540 You win the prize. 493 00:27:55,540 --> 00:27:56,540 No, New Orleans. 494 00:27:56,540 --> 00:27:57,540 That's NOLACON, N-O-L-A-C-O-N dot com, and that's taking place also May 17th through 495 00:27:57,540 --> 00:27:58,540 19th in New Orleans. 496 00:27:58,540 --> 00:27:59,540 There's RVASEC, Moravian Security Conference in Richmond, Virginia, June 4th through 5th. 497 00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:00,540 That's R-V-A-S-E-C dot C-O-M. 498 00:28:00,540 --> 00:28:01,540 June 14th through 16th, we have the Vintage Computer Festival Southwest. 499 00:28:01,540 --> 00:28:02,540 Never been to that one. 500 00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:03,540 That's taking place in Richardson, Virginia. 501 00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:04,540 That's taking place on May 17th through 19th. 502 00:28:04,540 --> 00:28:05,540 That's taking place on May 17th through 19th. 503 00:28:05,540 --> 00:28:06,540 That's taking place on May 17th through 19th. 504 00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:07,540 That's taking place on May 17th through 19th. 505 00:28:07,540 --> 00:28:31,380 And then, of course, one we're familiar with July 12th through 14th, HopeXV. 506 00:28:31,380 --> 00:28:36,180 That's the one that a bunch of us are involved in as well, Hope.net. 507 00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:38,420 That's taking place over in Queens. 508 00:28:38,420 --> 00:28:43,220 And one reminder to people that want to submit talks and participate in that conference, 509 00:28:43,220 --> 00:28:48,380 deadline's coming up on May 20th, and I know a lot of BAI listeners have given talks in 510 00:28:48,380 --> 00:28:55,020 the past, and it's a great way for you to reach out and meet people and basically share 511 00:28:55,020 --> 00:28:56,020 your expertise. 512 00:28:56,020 --> 00:28:58,420 We'd love to see you there. 513 00:28:58,420 --> 00:29:02,500 Hope.net, more information on that. 514 00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:08,300 Speaking of expertise, coming up at eight o'clock, we have our own Michio Kaku giving 515 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:14,740 a special edition, a live edition of Exploration, and a renowned theoretical physicist who graces 516 00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:15,900 our airwaves. 517 00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:20,060 All I know about this show is that it's the Wormhole Certificate Edition. 518 00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:26,500 All right, so take that however you will, but Michio Kaku coming up at eight o'clock 519 00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:27,500 here on WBAI. 520 00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:33,660 Now, getting back to news and getting back to Congress, because apparently Congress is 521 00:29:33,660 --> 00:29:41,260 in the news quite a bit, Lindsey Graham might be getting hacked as we speak. 522 00:29:41,260 --> 00:29:47,300 He has relinquished his cell phone to authorities after communicating with someone who impersonated 523 00:29:47,300 --> 00:29:50,100 Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer. 524 00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:57,140 Yeah, the sergeant at arms is investigating a possible hack of Senator Graham's phone. 525 00:29:57,140 --> 00:30:04,580 His spokesperson, Taylor Reedy, said in a statement, yeah, and I'm sorry, folks, I'm 526 00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:06,620 reading this from the New York Post. 527 00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:10,220 I don't like to read from the New York Post, but sometimes that's where Google directs 528 00:30:10,220 --> 00:30:16,180 me and I have no choice, and they're the only ones really talking about the story in this 529 00:30:16,180 --> 00:30:17,180 way. 530 00:30:17,180 --> 00:30:22,940 So, yeah, the Senate's sergeant at arms oversees cybersecurity in the upper chamber. 531 00:30:22,940 --> 00:30:24,300 Not sure if people knew that. 532 00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:28,660 On Monday, the sergeant at arms reportedly warned members of a phishing scheme. 533 00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:31,260 Now, Senator Graham recounted the ordeal. 534 00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:32,260 Ordeal? 535 00:30:32,260 --> 00:30:35,580 It was a phone call or it was a text or something. 536 00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:36,580 Ordeal? 537 00:30:36,580 --> 00:30:37,580 OK. 538 00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:41,580 During a discussion about artificial intelligence at the Hill and Valley Forum on Capitol Hill 539 00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:47,300 last Wednesday, he said, you know, my phone is in the hands of the FBI now, so I get a 540 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:48,300 message. 541 00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:51,300 I love when Congress people try to talk tech. 542 00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:52,300 It's just so amusing. 543 00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:53,540 I get a message. 544 00:30:53,780 --> 00:30:54,780 I think from Schumer. 545 00:30:54,780 --> 00:30:55,780 It ain't from Schumer. 546 00:30:55,780 --> 00:30:58,780 And next thing you know, my phone's, I don't know what. 547 00:30:58,780 --> 00:31:03,500 He doesn't know what his phone is. 548 00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:06,300 Anything you can create apparently can be hacked. 549 00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:10,220 Well, yeah, I mean, there's some truth to that. 550 00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:15,940 Anyway, the FBI has declined to comment when when the New York Post contacted them. 551 00:31:15,940 --> 00:31:19,100 But probably what that means is they hung up the phone when the New York Post called 552 00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:20,100 them. 553 00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:24,980 Anyway, Schumer, by the way, is known for using a vintage flip phone. 554 00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:25,980 Good for him. 555 00:31:25,980 --> 00:31:26,980 Good for him. 556 00:31:26,980 --> 00:31:28,460 You know, I'd love to get one of those myself. 557 00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:29,460 So sick of the smartphones. 558 00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:31,900 They're good for some things, certainly. 559 00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:33,260 But the way people are glued to them. 560 00:31:33,260 --> 00:31:34,420 I mean, look around you. 561 00:31:34,420 --> 00:31:38,020 If there are people around, you guarantee somebody staring at their cell phones, their 562 00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:39,140 smartphones. 563 00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:44,260 When we were on the floor or in the gallery looking at the floor of Congress, both Senate 564 00:31:44,260 --> 00:31:49,500 and the House, so many people were staring at their phones, not paying attention to anything 565 00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:50,580 that was being said. 566 00:31:50,580 --> 00:31:51,580 This is the government. 567 00:31:51,580 --> 00:31:52,580 This is C-SPAN. 568 00:31:52,580 --> 00:31:54,140 You know, you think people are riveted to it. 569 00:31:54,140 --> 00:31:55,140 Nobody is. 570 00:31:55,140 --> 00:31:57,020 They're all staring at the at their screens. 571 00:31:57,020 --> 00:32:00,260 I believe that type of it's a feature phone is what it's called. 572 00:32:00,260 --> 00:32:01,260 Which the flip phone. 573 00:32:01,260 --> 00:32:02,260 Yeah. 574 00:32:02,260 --> 00:32:03,260 OK. 575 00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:04,260 All right. 576 00:32:04,260 --> 00:32:05,260 Hook me up. 577 00:32:05,260 --> 00:32:06,260 And they make them for the modern network. 578 00:32:06,260 --> 00:32:08,340 Anyway, Lindsey Graham used to use a vintage flip phone. 579 00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:12,140 Then in 2015, remember this former President Donald Trump? 580 00:32:12,140 --> 00:32:13,140 Is he still around? 581 00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:14,140 Is that guy still around? 582 00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:16,340 I haven't heard his name in a while. 583 00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:21,500 He revealed his cell phone number to the world as the two bitterly sparred on the campaign 584 00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:23,180 trail. 585 00:32:23,180 --> 00:32:25,660 And then, OK, you might remember this. 586 00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:30,460 Lindsey Graham later cut a video of himself flexing some samurai skills while dramatically 587 00:32:30,460 --> 00:32:36,320 obliterating his old flip phone, slashing it with a kitchen knife, burning it and tossing 588 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,620 it into the blender, among other acts of destruction. 589 00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:44,460 You know, we might need to have some kind of that intervention here, because there's 590 00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:49,780 some there's some issues, I think, unresolved with that is definitely excessive raging on 591 00:32:49,780 --> 00:32:50,780 on hardware. 592 00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:57,500 Yeah, I think that that is a more suspect, like suspicious sort of a situation. 593 00:32:57,500 --> 00:33:01,580 Yeah, I think it's kind of like he's lashing out at himself. 594 00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:07,900 You know, there's something about himself that's that's troubling him anyway. 595 00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:11,020 There's probably the best line I could read in a New York Post story. 596 00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:17,140 It is possible to change phone numbers without destroying the original cell phone. 597 00:33:17,140 --> 00:33:22,300 You've been told by the New York Post that, yeah, you don't have a clue here. 598 00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:31,580 So OK, if I understand this correctly, what happened was Lindsey Graham got a message 599 00:33:31,580 --> 00:33:36,340 that said it was from Chuck Schumer, but wasn't from Chuck Schumer. 600 00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:42,460 And so he gave his phone to the FBI, because how else could somebody have done that unless 601 00:33:42,460 --> 00:33:43,460 they hacked his phone? 602 00:33:43,460 --> 00:33:48,980 First of all, if you get a message from somebody that claims to be that person, anyone can 603 00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:49,980 do that. 604 00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:51,220 Anyone could do that from any phone. 605 00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:55,980 But even if they did it from the phone number of the person that they're they're pretending 606 00:33:55,980 --> 00:34:00,620 to be, that means that person's phone maybe got hacked. 607 00:34:00,620 --> 00:34:02,260 You know, not yours. 608 00:34:02,260 --> 00:34:03,260 You're receiving them. 609 00:34:03,260 --> 00:34:04,260 I don't know. 610 00:34:05,060 --> 00:34:06,660 You can't you can't talk to Congress. 611 00:34:06,660 --> 00:34:07,660 Yeah. 612 00:34:07,660 --> 00:34:08,660 Let's go ahead. 613 00:34:08,660 --> 00:34:12,780 I mean, I wonder if it was a text message or if it was through some kind of messaging 614 00:34:12,780 --> 00:34:13,780 app. 615 00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:17,860 If it was through a messaging app, let's say perhaps WhatsApp, it could have been done 616 00:34:17,860 --> 00:34:19,700 in a more believable fashion. 617 00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:23,980 Namely, you could have a name associated with a telephone number that does not belong to 618 00:34:23,980 --> 00:34:26,940 Chuck Schumer, and you could have the name associated with that number as being Chuck 619 00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:27,940 Schumer. 620 00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:32,660 And then you could even post up a profile picture on WhatsApp of Chuck Schumer. 621 00:34:32,660 --> 00:34:37,420 And that would make the whole farce thing a little bit more believable to Lindsey Graham. 622 00:34:37,420 --> 00:34:41,580 But apparently it doesn't take very much to trick or deceive Lindsey Graham. 623 00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:45,060 No, it doesn't seem like the brightest bomb. 624 00:34:45,060 --> 00:34:50,380 I will say, too, just one anecdote about Chuck Schumer and his flip phone is that several 625 00:34:50,380 --> 00:34:57,060 years ago, on the way back from D.C. to New York, I had the extremest pleasure of sitting 626 00:34:57,060 --> 00:35:02,440 across from Chuck Schumer on the Acela train back to New York. 627 00:35:03,220 --> 00:35:06,760 And almost the entire time, Chuck Schumer was on the phone. 628 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,800 And he was just calling people back, telling them that he couldn't speak to them on the 629 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,880 phone at that moment because he was on the train and he couldn't speak freely. 630 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,840 Also, you know, he was being considerate to the people around him by calling them to say 631 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,360 that he couldn't speak because it would annoy the people around him if he did. 632 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,360 No, it wasn't that he was annoying everybody around. 633 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,200 I don't think he really cared about that at all. 634 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,600 But he was just calling people back simply for the to be able to say that he called them 635 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,880 back. But then he was telling the people whom he called that he couldn't speak because there 636 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,000 were other people around and he was on the train. 637 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,760 So the whole point of calling them back was just, yeah, it was more form over 638 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:50,000 substance. And had he had some kind of smartphone, maybe he could have sent them a text 639 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,880 and saved all of us. 640 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:57,840 I don't know. You know, to me, I hear a congressman, I hear a senator who is aware of 641 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,400 the security vulnerabilities and is not giving out private details and specific 642 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,640 information that somebody like you, Alex, might have intercepted, written down, used 643 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,880 against him in the future. He was very much aware of your presence and everybody else 644 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,640 around him and seeing them as potentially hostile. 645 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,640 And that's why he called everybody back and said he was not free to talk. 646 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,840 That's a very, that's a very shrewd, one way of looking. 647 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,200 I'm trying to be supportive here. 648 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,920 I really, but yeah, aren't they quiet cars on the Acela? 649 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,600 There are quiet cars in the Acela. 650 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,720 I wasn't in that one. Yeah, I've got stories about the quiet cars, too, as I'm sure you 651 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:35,920 know. 652 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,160 There are also cell phone jammers, but I think it's illegal to use us on congressmen. 653 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,120 I don't know, I just I heard that. 654 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:48,880 OK, so speaking of government and 655 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,520 hacks and things like that, the FBI is investigating a hack of its own computer 656 00:36:54,520 --> 00:37:00,880 network. I got this story, too, right before the show from Reuters. 657 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,200 The FBI is investigating a hack of its computer network in an isolated incident that 658 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,240 has now been contained, the agency said on Friday. 659 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,080 The FBI is aware of the incident and is working to gain additional information, the 660 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,600 agency said in an email statement to Reuters without providing further details. 661 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,760 Now, you might not have heard of this story. 662 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,840 The reason for that is because, well, Google sends these stories to us. 663 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:32,400 We look for keywords such as hacker, hackers, hacked, hacking, things like that. 664 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,080 Don't tell them all. OK, I left out a few. 665 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:43,280 But in little tiny print at the top of the story, this story was written on February 666 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,000 17th, twenty twenty three. 667 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,360 And for some reason, Google decided this was a new news story. 668 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,640 There's absolutely nothing to indicate that it is a new news story. 669 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,200 There's no new developments or anything like that. 670 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,320 And it's very tiny print that you could easily miss. 671 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,800 So I'm just wondering, Google can't even figure out how to how to sort by date and 672 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,480 just simply push stories that are new, sending stories that are over a year old. 673 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:12,440 I wonder how many newsrooms fell for this. 674 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:17,400 We almost fell for it, but no, we looked at the date and sometimes there isn't a 675 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,280 date on the story, though. 676 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,640 Sometimes these stories don't have dates included and you could easily read 677 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,840 something old as new. 678 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,920 I just don't get why something as basic as when the story came out is not included 679 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:31,720 so many times. 680 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,720 I don't think they want Google News to be that useful. 681 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,760 You know, maybe it's just Google doesn't want Google News to be that useful. 682 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,200 Yeah, it's just like it's run its course and they just they want other people, other 683 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,160 products to take its place or something. 684 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,200 OK, well, you know, I'm happy to oblige. 685 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,520 Well, or if something weird is going on with it being boosted in other ways. 686 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,920 It's not isolated to Google, though. 687 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,200 It's you know, if you look at the Daily News or something and you'll see related 688 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,880 stories to the one you're reading and many of them will be from years ago and 689 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,560 sometimes they don't even say that they're from years ago and you wind up thinking 690 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,040 something's happening that actually happened a long time ago. 691 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:19,760 OK, so shall we remind the folks again that we want them to call? 692 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,920 Yes. All right. The number is two one two two zero nine two nine five zero. 693 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,560 The website is give to WBAI.org. 694 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:38,880 And basically this radio station exists on listener support and that's pretty much 695 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,320 it. That's pretty much all we get. 696 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,000 We don't get corporate funding. 697 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,400 We don't want corporate funding. 698 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,920 You know, we don't want Exxon paying for our shows. 699 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,880 We don't want Verizon paying for our shows because if we had those companies doing 700 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,920 that, we wouldn't be able to criticize them. 701 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,280 We wouldn't be able to expose them for the things they're doing. 702 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,160 We wouldn't be able to speak freely. 703 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,040 The only way we're able to speak freely. 704 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,200 And again, that involves sometimes many times saying things that you don't agree 705 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,520 with or saying things that other people don't agree with, causing controversy. 706 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,640 We live for the controversy. 707 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:14,920 You know, we live for the discussion, for the argument. 708 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:20,240 And that is what a democratic society is really all about. 709 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:26,920 So your contribution, your phone call, your visit to the website, that's what keeps us 710 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,000 going. That's what has kept us going over the years. 711 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:36,240 And we really, really, really appreciate that from our listeners and off the hook, 712 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,440 from our listeners, 24 hours a day, seven days a week here at WBAI. 713 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:48,120 What you will get if you pledge one hundred and fifty dollars or more as a thank you 714 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:54,120 gift from us is the Off the Hook Anthology flash drive. 715 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,600 And what that is, is an almost incomprehensible amount of audio. 716 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,040 I think it's over a hundred thousand minutes. 717 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:04,680 I can't even conceive of that. 718 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,320 It's over fifteen hundred shows. 719 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,560 Imagine that. Fifteen hundred shows of us. 720 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:13,600 Well, it's not always the same people, but we're talking about technology. 721 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,440 We're talking about all kinds of different things that have happened over the years. 722 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,560 We're talking about society around us. 723 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:27,200 One time the WTO protest in Seattle was going on live over the air while we were 724 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,520 broadcasting off the hook. 725 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,160 Everything, 9-11, wars, you name it. 726 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:39,000 And things have been happening that we have covered. 727 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,080 It's super important to have these archives. 728 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,800 So it's not just an archive of Off the Hook. 729 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,720 It's an archive of society, an archive of everything that's been going on around us. 730 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:56,960 And that's why the flash drive really is so interesting and appealing, I think. 731 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,160 I find myself just clicking on shows. 732 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:05,720 I mean, they're all recorded, you know, sometimes off of cassettes from many years 733 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,240 ago, but they're all there. 734 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,720 Might be a couple that are missing, but pretty much we've archived everything. 735 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:16,600 And, you know, the advice I give to people who record anything, whether it's video, 736 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,000 whether it's audio, save it. 737 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,000 Save it because it becomes fascinating in the decades ahead. 738 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,720 Everybody wants to hear that. 739 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,360 So, yeah, that's our thank you for people who pledged that amount. 740 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,640 And you can call in 212-209-2950, give to WBAI.org. 741 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:41,080 And again, there are all kinds of other thank you gifts for different levels that are on 742 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,720 the website that the person who answers the phone will be able to tell you about. 743 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:52,400 The most important thing, though, is you're giving WBAI a lease on life so that we're 744 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:59,640 around to cover the new technology of the years ahead, the new wars that happen, the 745 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:07,760 new strikes that occur throughout our society and various businesses, all kinds of 746 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,240 things that you hear in a typical day here on WBAI. 747 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,840 Yeah, please keep those phones ringing. 748 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,160 We're here volunteering. 749 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:22,920 We do our best to bring you interesting programming of all types, including this show 750 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:28,560 Off The Hook. And we really, really thank you for your pledge of support for this radio 751 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:35,960 station, for the free format, the community that we provide here in New York City, meeting 752 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:42,520 the needs in times of crises and outside of that with provocative and thought provoking 753 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:49,160 content. So please give what you can and pledge your support for this radio station. 754 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:49,720 Go ahead, Alex. 755 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:58,880 I think as a testament to what WBAI has meant to our listeners over the last 30 756 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,600 something years that Off The Hook has been on the air, I have to say part of this 757 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,080 anthology is going to be some really amazing radio that Off The Hook produced. 758 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:15,440 And I'm thinking in particular about 24 and a half years ago when WBAI had its own 759 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:21,280 protesters in the lobby and the NYPD was literally in the station at 110 Wall Street. 760 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,480 When you were live on the air, you had a cell phone at that time when not everybody had a 761 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,720 cell phone. And I went into the hallway and held that cell phone up while the police were 762 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:37,880 claiming that anybody, sorry, I don't know if I lost you there, but the police were 763 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,920 claiming that anybody who remained in the hallway at 110 Wall Street was going to be 764 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:49,360 arrested. And they had no idea that their voice was being broadcast over the airwaves to 765 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,680 New York, New Jersey, Connecticut. 766 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:55,840 And when we came out of the station that night, when WBAI was under siege and in battle, 767 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,600 there were, it was incredible, right? 768 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,520 I mean, we were like heroes to the people. 769 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,520 And I don't know, there was a massive number of protesters out there with drums and 770 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:05,640 supporting WBAI. 771 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,040 And that's what the station has meant so much to people over the years. 772 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,880 And make no mistake about it right now, WBAI is in crisis and we need that support. 773 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,160 We need you to call 212-279-2950 to make sure that we're here. 774 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,720 And I think it's and we need that support as a testament to the legacy of those people that 775 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,040 were there at that protest who aren't with us anymore. 776 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,240 They need our support to keep the station going. 777 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,720 Yeah, I think, you know, the way we go into this is we don't ignore things that are going 778 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:40,720 on around us. If there happens to be a protest at the radio station and NYPD is in the 779 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,920 hallways, we're not going to discontinue business as usual. 780 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,800 You know, some people do radio differently. 781 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,440 What we do is we focus on what's happening around us. 782 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:53,600 And we'll we'll point that out and we'll say, by the way, this is going on right now. 783 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:54,800 This is what we are seeing. 784 00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:02,480 And yeah, as you said, doing that, doing that over the radio, we wound up getting a lot 785 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,200 of people showing up outside. 786 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,440 That wasn't our intent. We weren't trying to rally people. 787 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,400 We were just reporting what was going on. 788 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,080 And you can you can hear the whole thing. 789 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,880 You can just hear how it all unfolds. 790 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,680 It's like a massive soap opera. 791 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,800 I think we've been on the air longer than than General Hospital at this point. 792 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,200 Quickly now to finish off again, phone number two and two to zero nine two nine five zero 793 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:32,640 and give to WBAI.org United Health, as the CEO, has been testifying before a Senate 794 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,600 Finance Committee about a recent cyber attack at the company's technology unit, its 795 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,800 impact on patients and providers. 796 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:47,000 And according to what they are saying, hackers potentially stole a third of Americans 797 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,720 data. Yeah, a third of Americans. 798 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,800 That is some some lax security there. 799 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,720 If that many people were on one system and a system was compromised. 800 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:06,560 Now, according to the CEO, Andrew Whitty, he said they now use multifactor 801 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,400 authentication. Didn't do it before, but they learned their lesson. 802 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,200 So, yeah, it's good to see corporate executives learning. 803 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,200 Of course, having Congress be the ones to grill them. 804 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:22,960 Not sure how much you're going to learn from that, but this was this was one hell of a 805 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,360 hack. It really was damaging. 806 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:31,640 Go ahead, Alex. I mean, it remains to be seen for me that, you know, how that amount of 807 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,600 data could be compromised in one fell swoop like that. 808 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:40,240 You would think that data of that magnitude should be segregated in some way or 809 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:41,760 hopefully encrypted at rest. 810 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:47,440 So, you know, there's there's a lot of explaining and I think unraveling to do from that 811 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,280 particular incident. 812 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:56,720 It's specifically health care is a target in in ways that it just has not been. 813 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,600 The systems are are disparate. 814 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:09,800 They're often not as well protected or funded in some of these provider networks. 815 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:16,600 So it's it's a huge problem and it can really shut down an entire region from critical 816 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:24,120 services. So and it's it's a trove of of a lot of, by definition, personal, intimate 817 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:32,240 data across the board, whether you're talking billing or or personal identify personally 818 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,480 identifiable stuff. So it's it's a huge issue right now. 819 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,600 Another huge issue, fraudulent Taylor Swift tickets being sold over Facebook. 820 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,320 If you see a Facebook ad for Taylor Swift tickets, don't do anything because it's probably 821 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,040 fraudulent and Facebook is doing nothing to fix the problem, according to multiple news 822 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,440 reports. So that is typical. 823 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:52,680 They don't answer the phone. 824 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:53,680 They don't contact you. 825 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,000 They don't email you back. 826 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,480 And a lot of people have lost money so far just on that alone. 827 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,240 And wow, that is that is something. 828 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,520 OK, we're almost out of time. 829 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,360 Alex, I just want to ask you, who do you like in Eurovision this year? 830 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,840 I like Moldova. 831 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:10,640 Well, they got eliminated. 832 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:12,560 Oh, did I? I don't know. 833 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:13,560 I'm just guessing. Yeah. 834 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:14,560 I still like. 835 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,160 Well, well, well, you're not taking this seriously. 836 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,160 Just guessing. 837 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:18,560 I'm just guessing. 838 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:19,560 Yeah, I don't know. 839 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:20,920 Did you even know Moldova was in it? 840 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,160 I mean, yeah, they had a pretty decent song. 841 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,480 I wish they weren't eliminated, but they were yesterday in the semifinal. 842 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,360 Well, they ruined it for me now. 843 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:30,960 I already happened. 844 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:31,960 How did I ruin it for you? 845 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:33,720 Well, spoiler. 846 00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:35,320 OK, but seriously, who do you like? 847 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,280 I have no idea. 848 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,760 I'm not watching this nonsense. 849 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,880 What's the most important thing going on this weekend? 850 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,000 Is a Eurovision final. 851 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,000 Really? 852 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:44,360 Oh, my goodness. 853 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,840 You know, tell me who who's the favorite. 854 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,560 Well, I don't know who the favorite is because they haven't voted yet. 855 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,440 I know the second semifinal is tomorrow. 856 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,720 And the way that see it in this country, if people are interested in this, 857 00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,840 I know there are very few people interested in this country. 858 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,480 You can pay for Peacock and have commercials as a result of paying for it. 859 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,760 Or you can get a VPN and come in from a country like Denmark, like we're doing, 860 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,600 and get no commercials and have the whole thing broadcast live 861 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,040 and experience the excitement. 862 00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:14,840 Yeah, I know it's silly. 863 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,120 I know it's something that is beneath our standards in most cases. 864 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,240 But you know what? There are exceptions in my case. 865 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,280 I got to say, I like Ireland. 866 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:30,160 I think I think Bambi Thug is a name that we will be very familiar with. 867 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,360 They're the first 868 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,240 performer that 869 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,480 is a they, you know, not a he, not a she. 870 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,200 And that's that's history in Eurovision. 871 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,760 But the song, the song is what really is amazing. 872 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,120 Yeah, the energy definitely matched the moment. 873 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,720 There was there was theatrics and 874 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,720 a huge range. 875 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,800 And it did it provided all the 876 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,800 all of the aspects of entertainment 877 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,040 you would come to expect from a show like Eurovision. 878 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,880 I am equally interested purely just even 879 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,120 at the very least to be able to relate to people who are from the area 880 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,280 that understand it and know it very, very well. 881 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:28,840 I think it's a cultural reference point that we can take an interest in at least. 882 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:33,080 Well, in addition to being non-binary, Bambi Thug is 883 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,280 diagnosed with ADHD, a member of the LGBTQ plus community 884 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,600 and the target of a lot of right wing hate 885 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,840 and is also practices neo-pagan witchcraft. 886 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,880 You know, they're they're just so cool. 887 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,480 But the song, like I said, is what I think is really amazing. 888 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,600 I also like Croatia, Estonia, Armenia. 889 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,760 I think those are really good pieces as well. 890 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:56,640 I hope any of them win. 891 00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:01,440 But I really I'm really thinking Ireland has has the best chance right now. 892 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,240 And we're going to go out with that song. 893 00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:05,040 Alex, first, go ahead. 894 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,920 Yeah, my my five year old son, Ido, has wants to just weigh in. 895 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,280 You know, who's it that you favor in Eurovision? 896 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,560 Pennsylvania. All right. 897 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:15,960 Well, you know what? 898 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,400 Australia was entered into it. 899 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,760 So maybe Pennsylvania can as well. 900 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,680 I don't know what they were thinking with the video this year, 901 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,040 but that's a whole other topic. 902 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,160 Anyway, this song might have scared a few people. 903 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,320 The video is worth watching. 904 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,600 You can find that over on YouTube. 905 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,280 Right to us, OTH at 2600 dot com. 906 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,200 We'll see you next week, hopefully with overtime, which will not be on this week. 907 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,320 And remember, stay tuned to WBA on New York for 908 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,400 the program that follows. 909 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,120 Exploration with Mishukaku. 910 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:48,880 Good night. 911 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,400 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 912 00:54:48,400 --> 00:55:07,400 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 913 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:34,600 Brooklyn's annual Atlantic Avenue Art Walk returns on Saturday, May 4th through Sunday, 914 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:41,200 May 12th from 12 noon to 6 p.m. on Atlantic Avenue from 4th Avenue to the waterfront. 915 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:46,700 This nine-day self-guided tour running through Brooklyn Heights, Cobble Hill, and Lorim Hill 916 00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:50,700 showcases 150 artists at 70 locations. 917 00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:56,660 This free event with activities, guide, booklet, and map is held rain or shine and sponsored 918 00:55:56,660 --> 00:56:02,100 by the Atlantic Avenue Local Development Corp online at atlanticav.org.