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Very good evening to everybody.

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The program is Off the Hook.

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Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this Wednesday evening.

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Joined tonight by Kyle.

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In the distance.

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Yeah.

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How are my levels?

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Are they good?

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Are your levels tonight?

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Yeah, they're level.

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They're on the level.

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I don't want to shout, but I will if I have to.

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If you're going to be doing that kind of shouting, maybe bring it down a notch.

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Okay.

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No, they didn't hear me shout.

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I turned the microphone off.

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I did that.

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I have to shout at an assisted, what do they call them again?

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Assisted device thing?

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A personal assistant.

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Personal assistant.

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They're not personal assistants.

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They're not personal.

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They're impersonal.

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They're not assistants.

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No.

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They're corporate anchors is what I think they are.

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An impersonal insistence.

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We had one playing in the background so we could hear the radio station, but then it

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was causing all kinds of delay issues.

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Oh, you know what?

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I have totally forgotten to introduce Alex.

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Alex, are you there?

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I am indeed.

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Good evening.

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All right.

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And what planet are we circling this week?

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Oh, boy.

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Yeah.

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This is an unusual location for me at the moment.

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I am just south of Broom Street on 7th Avenue.

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And I'm actually en route.

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We're going to be crossing state line.

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Wait, wait, wait.

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Whoa, whoa.

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Hold on a second.

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You're attempting a crossing of the Hudson River at this hour?

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I am indeed.

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I am indeed.

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I'm about to go into the Holland Tunnel.

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So-

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Are you mad?

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Have you lost your mind?

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Have you taken leave of absence?

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No.

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No.

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All right.

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Have you lost your mind?

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Have you taken leave of your senses?

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I usually do around this time of the day.

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Yes.

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Why?

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As do a lot of listeners.

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All right.

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Well, what's going to happen when you go in the tunnel?

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Well, actually, you know what?

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You're not going to get in a tunnel any time soon.

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I'm about to get into the tunnel right now, actually.

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Really?

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The traffic started moving.

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So, we're going to cross state lines.

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We're going to cross the Hudson during this show.

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All right.

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Well, you know, it's funny because two weeks ago, when we were last on, Kyle and I were

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driving in the other direction.

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We had intended to stop and do the show without having to drive at the time, because we figured

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that would be better, but the pizza place we wanted to go to before we got home was

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closing, so we had to keep moving.

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We were driving across.

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We were actually on the George Washington Bridge during the last show.

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We didn't mention it.

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Actually, I think we did mention that we were on a GNW Bridge.

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You did mention it.

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It came to mind to me that it's quite interesting when people abbreviate the George Washington

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Bridge as the GWB, it's not really an abbreviation, because it's the exact same number of syllables

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to say GWB as it is to say George Washington Bridge.

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Yes.

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It's pretty extraordinary when you think about it.

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But for the people who are transcribing the show, Alex, it's a favor to them, because

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the intelligence agencies and spies and various people like that are writing down every word

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we say, and we want to make sure they have a life, too.

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It's important.

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Yes.

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No doubt.

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Very interesting times.

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I just want to say we only have, actually we have less than an hour, but if you're watching

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the media lately, if you're paying attention to all the things that have been going on

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around this country on college campuses and all that, you have an opportunity to see how

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the media works, how the media does not work, how things are slanted one way or another,

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and how things sometimes do get reported, sometimes don't get reported.

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It's fascinating.

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And listening to WBAI, too, you'll hear all kinds of different perspectives, some of which

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you'll agree with, some of which you will vehemently disagree with, and it's all part

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of the process.

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I hope people take advantage of this and think of it.

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If your college campus is being taken over right now, and pretty much all of them are,

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think about that as a learning experience of one sort or another, an opportunity to

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have a dialogue, an opportunity to talk to people that you either agree with, that you

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want to learn from, that you disagree with.

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But keeping it civil, keeping it peaceful, that is what is important.

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And it's just really stressful to see when these things don't stay peaceful.

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It's usually when authorities march in and decide to end it.

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That's when things get violent, except it's weird because they don't ever get blamed.

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They get thanked.

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It's awfully weird.

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I don't want to spend much time on this at all, but there was a piece on CNN a few days

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ago with Eric Adams, the mayor, the mayor of New York City.

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You're familiar with him, right, Alex?

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Yes, I am familiar with that guy, unfortunately.

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He was talking about Columbia University and how the situation was unfolding, and he said,

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we won't come onto campus unless we're invited on by the university president.

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Now what's interesting about that is the way he phrased that.

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We won't come on.

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Now, did he mean the mayor's office won't come onto campus?

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Because that doesn't usually happen during protests.

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No, he was talking as if he were a cop.

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He was saying we, referring to the NYPD.

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Of course, we all know Eric Adams was a cop, but right now he should be the mayor.

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The we that he speaks should be representing the people, not the police.

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I just thought that nobody really caught that.

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That was right there on CNN and very disturbing to see that is the mentality that is behind

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Of course, you're going to have a bad situation when people are talking and thinking in that

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particular way.

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Instead of having an opportunity here to debate, think of other perspectives and maybe actually

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set some kind of an example for the rest of us.

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This is what college students have done for millennia, however long college students have

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been around for.

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People were talking yesterday about, oh my God, they took over Hamilton Hall at Columbia

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University.

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They've been taking over Hamilton Hall for as long as that place has been around, I think.

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Back in the 60s with the war and throughout the 70s, the 90s, that's always the building

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that gets taken over.

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Not really that big a deal and it's part of the process, kind of part of the college education.

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You went to Stony Brook, right Alex?

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I did for my undergraduate, that's right.

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As you know, Stony Brook on Long Island is known as the Berkeley of the East.

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It was named that because they wanted to be academically the same as Berkeley in California,

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but it turned out to be a bastion of social upheaval during the 1960s.

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Not exactly what the administration was shooting for, but that was one of the places where

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activism thrived.

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Nothing like what's happening at Columbia, University of Austin, or UCLA is happening

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at Stony Brook right now.

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There is a sleep-in, I guess you call it, or a sit-in, or a demonstration happening.

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Very peaceful.

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I stopped by it yesterday.

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It's happening everywhere.

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This is an opportunity to talk, to learn, to move forward.

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That's all I wanted to say about that.

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Alex, I'll give you an opportunity if you wanted to say anything as well about what's

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going on or anything about other schools you might have gone to that have experienced things

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like this.

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Yeah, I mean, I guess, look, the sentiment behind it, notwithstanding the protests, I

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think there is obviously, there are free speech issues that are coming under fire on academic

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campuses, which is always concerning, but also I think equally and even more concerning

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is that this does seem to veer off into anti-Semitism, intimidation, and harassment.

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That doesn't benefit the people protesting, and it harms other students that are just

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trying to go to class or to be who they are.

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I feel like people have to be very cognizant of the fact that their rights end where another

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person's rights begin.

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We have to respect other people's faces in much the same way that abhorrent views have

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to be respected and tolerated in our democratic society as well.

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I think you're right to express the sentiment that this is a time for listening, not a time

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for intimidation, in my opinion.

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Absolutely.

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I've heard allegations.

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I don't want to see this kind of thing happen, but I would like to see more evidence of actual

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intimidation happening.

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I saw attacks last night at UCLA, and peaceful demonstrators were being attacked, and that

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was live on TV, on all the channels, and then today the media was reporting that there were

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clashes between two opposing groups.

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That's not what happened.

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That's not what was broadcast.

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You saw people in their tents being smashed with barricades, having firecrackers thrown

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at them, people who weren't doing anything except sleeping, and the police were nowhere

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to be found for hours.

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Yeah, there's something going on there, and that was not reported, and that's an example

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of how the media just doesn't get it right sometimes.

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I'm not saying we get it right all the time.

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We certainly don't, but let's not put too much trust in any one spokesperson, because

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there's always inaccuracies.

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There are always things that are not quite right, and we need to be the eyes, ears, and

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the voices.

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Hopefully, people out there stay safe and aren't seen as a threat, and don't threaten

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anybody else.

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I think that's all we can ask for.

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All right, I want to read a little story that some of you might have seen floating around

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on the Internet and various other places, in various trade publications, things talking

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about radio, because it concerns us.

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We're in it.

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Yeah, we're in the news, and it's not making me happy.

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The Pacifica Foundation must pay a $25,000 penalty in an FCC consent decree resulting

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from violations of underwriting and sponsorship identification rules.

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The FCC will also grant a short-term, two-year license renewal to Pacifica's WBAI in New

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York City once the penalty is fully paid.

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Renewals are typically for eight years.

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The agreement comes after the commission launched an inquiry after allegations at WBAI broadcast

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of the Gary Null Show, Off the Hook, and a special featuring Christine Blosdale included

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calls to action, descriptions of price information, and inducements to buy products or services.

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Now, I can't speak to other radio programs, and I won't, but I can speak for our radio

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program and say that this is utter nonsense.

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This is just completely unfounded.

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We do not give out prices or tell people to buy things or anything as sleazy as that.

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We do not do that on this show.

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We never have done this on this show.

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Now, the claims were raised in basically a challenge to the license by this organization,

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and you'll love the name of this.

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The organization is called Pacifica Safety Net.

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Yeah, they're a nonprofit organization comprising, get this, current and former Pacifica Board

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of Directors.

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Yeah, Pacifica Board of Directors, current and past.

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First of all, I don't know how you could remain a board of director of any sort of an organization

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that you're trying to dismantle.

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If you're not renewing the license or telling the FCC to not renew the license, that's not

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exactly fair play.

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Anyway, in its petition, Pacifica Safety Net cited examples between 2014 and 2022 of WBAI

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routinely airing paid programming without identifying the sponsors.

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Examples included producer Gary Nob promoting nutritional supplements and host Christine

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Blosdale presenting a series of shows regarding a technology that purportedly would relieve

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anxiety by listening to an audio file through headphones.

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You notice that we're not mentioned.

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Pacifica Safety Net provided verbatim transcripts from the broadcast on which the host would

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promote the products as a benefit for donating to support the station.

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I was aware of this a couple of years ago, actually, when this was originally filed,

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because it was laughable.

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We saw transcripts of this particular radio program or a show where they were purporting

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that we were guilty of these things that I'm talking about right now.

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When you look at the transcripts, it makes absolutely no sense because it wasn't in there

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at all.

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So, why are we named?

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Why are we named in this settlement for $25,000?

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It's almost like we were just kind of added, and that's exactly what happened.

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That is exactly what happened.

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We were simply added on to the list of complaints because somebody didn't like us, somebody

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was mad at us, and that I understand because we make people angry quite a bit.

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We have opinions, we have ways of doing things, and occasionally we make decisions that others

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don't agree with.

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That pertains to a whole host of things, including this radio show.

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It tells you something about the people behind this where they could simply take a petty

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dispute of one sort or another and use that to get back at somebody just by adding the

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name of their show to a complaint without any evidence whatsoever.

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This is where you might be able to help, Alex.

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The question undoubtedly comes up, well then, why would Pacifica settle for $25,000 if there

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was no evidence, at least against us, off the hook?

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Why would they say that there was?

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This agreement is an about-face from what Pacifica said to the FCC two years ago, and

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this is from InsideRadio.com.

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It asked the commission then to reject the petition, calling the allegations procedurally

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flawed and substantively baseless, with no basis whatsoever in fact, but Pacifica may

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have ultimately decided it was not worth the fight.

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The foundation has tried to move on from years of tumult.

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It hired a new executive director with the mission of moving forward from an era that

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included the unauthorized shutdown of WBAI in October of 2019.

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Remember that?

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Yeah, we made some people angry with our comments about that, too.

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A lot of them are the same people, believe it or not.

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There was a $300,000 judgment against the station brought by a former interim station

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manager who sued Pacifica for defamation.

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You can't make this stuff up.

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But basically, the fine could have been so much more.

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And I understand why it may have made sense to simply settle at this point, cut our losses

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and move on, fine, repair whatever problems there were.

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The issue with that, and this is what particularly irks us, is that we kind of got carried along

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with this when we had nothing to do with it.

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Now, Alex, does that make sense on a legal basis, where sometimes you wind up being part

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of a charge of one thing or another because it's easier than fighting it?

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It absolutely does.

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And that's exactly what happened here.

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The idea that Pacifica should fight a $25,000 fee from the FCC is also kind of laughable

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in its own right.

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The fine is so small and would literally be a fraction, a tiny fraction of what the legal

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fees would be, probably just to get to the point where you would have a hearing on the

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merits of these particular allocations as well.

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Legal costs are rising.

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They're extraordinarily expensive.

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In my estimation, I would assume that any lawyer that's going to be practicing this

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type of telecommunications law with respect to the FCC would probably be at least $1,000

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an hour, quite likely more, maybe around $1,200 to $1,400 or so.

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So you're going to run up the bill extraordinarily quickly, and you're going to end up paying

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10 to probably 20 times the fee to contest it.

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So it's easier to pay what amounts to a nuisance value of a lawsuit, and I think the FCC knew

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exactly what it was doing when it made the fine very, very low.

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It didn't want to have a contest on the 10.

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And Pacifica paid it, and unfortunately, we got wrapped into that settlement.

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And I think we're doing right now what we ought to be doing, which is putting on the

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record that we disagree with the substance of those allegations, not necessarily with

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the settlement, but the actual underpinnings of it.

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Exactly, yeah.

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We never got our day in court.

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We never had the chance to stand up and say, this is nonsense, and here's why it's nonsense.

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We have every single one of our shows available online, and anybody can listen to them at

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any time.

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We cut nothing.

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We censor nothing.

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If we make a mistake, the mistake stays in.

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That's how we've always operated, and we know the rules.

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We know what you're supposed to do on non-commercial radio and what you're not supposed to do.

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So this was just a petty attempt to embarrass us, to drag us into something we had no part

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in, and basically hurt our reputation.

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Well, guess what?

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It doesn't work, because WBAI is filled with people of integrity who stand behind their

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staff, and that is exactly what's happening here.

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I just want to thank the staff, the management, for not treating us the way that you might

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be expected to treat us when something like this happens.

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They get it.

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They understand.

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They listen.

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That's really what it's all about, is doing the best job you can with the resources that

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you have.

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We try to bring all kinds of news about technology, and the media, and hacking, and various other

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things.

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We've been doing this since 1988.

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These kinds of things, I guess, are inevitable at one point or another.

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It's sad, because there are prices, and it's more than just $25,000.

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There are some Pacifica supporters who call themselves supporters who are pushing for

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the sale or lease of WBAI, and those funds could help support the network elsewhere.

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Pacifica Safety Net, in fact, the people that started all this, said WBAI would have a high

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value in its sale.

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They did say that.

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They point to financial shortfalls, and how we're dragging down other stations, and things

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like that.

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Pacifica Safety Net, this is according to InsideRadio.com.

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They say if WBAI were to sell, the money could support other stations in the network.

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That's the mentality that we're dealing with here, people who want to see the place fail.

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We don't.

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We want to see the place succeed.

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In fact, what we're going to try and do now is turn this into something positive, because

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we always try to do that one way or another.

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We're talking about our record, standing on our record, believing in what we say, following

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the rules as they are laid out to us, and offering everything to our listeners.

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We have labored and slaved once again to put together something that we believe listeners

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will appreciate, listeners to Off The Hook especially will appreciate.

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Basically, it's a flash drive of every single one of our shows.

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Every single show that we have done from 1988 up until the end of 2023, along with a summary

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of each of those programs.

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It's an opportunity for you to see for yourself how we're doing.

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If we've done anything wrong, if we've done anything right, I'm sure we've done something

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right over the years, but it's an opportunity for you to basically have this entire collection

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at your disposal and easily accessed.

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It's called the Off The Hook Anthology.

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If you support the radio station tonight at 212-209-2950 and pledge $150, you will

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receive over 100,000 minutes of audio, I think 1,500 plus shows, 1,500 plus shows, my God.

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You'll be helping this radio station continue to survive, because if this place were not

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here, there are so many things that would not be said.

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Again, whenever you speak, you're going to make some people agree with you, make some

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people disagree with you.

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You might get some people impassioned in one way or another.

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That's part of the process.

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That should not be thought of as bad or unhealthy.

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It's when people try to stop that, I think that is when we really have to look out and

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start coming to its defense.

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So 212-209-2950 or go to the website give2wbai.org.

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Look for the Off The Hook Anthology.

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It's incredible because while our shows are online, you can find them on websites, there

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is no easy way to download them all and have them on your local machine and be able to

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play them on the device of your choice.

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But this little flash drive that I'm holding here, it's a couple of inches and it has everything.

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You simply plug that into your computer and you can copy it and you can copy it again.

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You can play it on whatever device plays MP3s.

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It's so simple.

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So Kyle, I'm going to ask you, pick a year.

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Pick a year and I'm going to go to that year and I'm going to find something interesting

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that we've done.

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1997.

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1997.

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That's a great year.

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Okay.

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Hold on.

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So I'm going 1997.

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Now, I'm clicking on the little HTML file for each year and I'm clicking on that right

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now.

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Okay.

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Pick a month.

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Any month.

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Well, June.

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June?

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Okay.

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So let's go to June and wow.

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Okay.

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What we're talking about on June 17th, the massive archiving of all previous editions

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of Off The Hook proved to be an educational experience.

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I think that's kind of great.

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We were doing it back then but that was when we were about to have the Beyond Hope Conference

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and we were preparing for that.

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We were getting all the shows archived and yeah, you can listen to us do that.

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I can even just hit the play button right now and I think it'll just come over.

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Yeah, there it is.

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That easy.

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Should we wait for me to introduce the show?

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We can do that.

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Or you can skip.

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I can skip.

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Yeah, that's true.

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You can do all kinds of things.

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But you saw quickly and that's off a flash drive.

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Sometimes there's a bit of a delay on a flash drive but if you copy this to your hard drive,

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you have access to everything and you can randomly listen to a program a week or a day

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or whatever you can tolerate.

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Not bad for a cassette that's almost 30 years old.

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Yeah, we played music sometimes too before we started talking.

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I'm just going to keep this going until you hear our voices.

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Sometimes we played music for 10 minutes though.

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It sets the tone.

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It sets the mood here.

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And a very good evening to everybody.

498
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This is Off the Hook.

499
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:06,480
The program that you may not have heard for quite some time because we weren't on for the last three weeks or so.

500
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,480
Wow.

501
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,480
But, while we were away, we've been doing lots and lots of work.

502
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,480
Lots of preparation for the upcoming summer fun.

503
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:25,480
And also lots of looks back into the past to see all the many things that we've done here on this radio station.

504
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,480
Boy, it's been something.

505
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,480
You know what's something, Emanuel of 1997?

506
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:37,480
What's something is I'm talking about the same thing then on a show that Kyle randomly picked out as we're talking about right now

507
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,480
and that's all that we've accomplished on this radio show and at this radio station.

508
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,480
So, I guess that's a recurring theme that we have.

509
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:51,480
But there's 1,500 more shows to listen to as well where we're not talking specifically about that.

510
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,480
Alex, do you want to pick anything?

511
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,480
I do.

512
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,480
I want to comment too.

513
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,480
I think that your voice has gotten a lot deeper over the last 30 years.

514
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,480
It's like something's changed.

515
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,480
I don't know.

516
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,480
Maybe puberty or something over those last couple of decades.

517
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,480
No, it's just life has gotten darker and I just kind of lower my tone.

518
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,480
You're not taking as much helium for the show.

519
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,480
No, I try.

520
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,480
There's a helium shortage and I want to be responsible.

521
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,480
Gotcha.

522
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:19,480
I understand.

523
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,480
How about we go back to 1994 right around this time?

524
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,480
So, like end of April, early May 1994.

525
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,480
That's about when I think I started listening to this show.

526
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,480
Maybe a little bit earlier.

527
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,480
Okay.

528
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,480
Well, you're going to have to pick a month.

529
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,480
April.

530
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,480
How about April?

531
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,480
April 1994.

532
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,480
April 1994.

533
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,480
Okay.

534
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,480
I'll give you a choice here.

535
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,480
April 6th, 13th, 20th, or 27th?

536
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,480
27th.

537
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,480
As close as we can get to 30 years ago today.

538
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,480
All right.

539
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,480
Well, let's see.

540
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,480
As you can hear, we have old BAI promos as well.

541
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:08,480
So, not only do you get off the hook, but you get a bit of a time capsule of what was

542
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,480
going on in that particular year, that particular month.

543
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,480
I'm not sure why it's only in one year.

544
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,480
Okay.

545
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,480
It looks like we're playing some radio station promos.

546
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,480
So, I think we should probably skip that.

547
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,480
I'm skipping ahead.

548
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,480
There we go.

549
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,480
You have to move that.

550
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,480
Yeah, that was my fault.

551
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,480
I didn't have the thing up.

552
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,480
So, it wasn't a problem with the recording.

553
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,480
It was a problem with me.

554
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,480
And this is us talking about sending our friend, FiberOptic, to prison.

555
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,480
Well, we didn't send him to prison.

556
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,480
We took him to prison.

557
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,480
So, that was a bit of history there.

558
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,480
You remember that, Alex?

559
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,480
Yeah, I do.

560
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,480
I very, very sadly do remember that.

561
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,480
There are just so many moments in history just in the hacker world.

562
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,480
But, you know, we talked about tonight.

563
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,480
We talked about demonstrations at college campuses.

564
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,480
That's a part of the world around us.

565
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,480
And we don't ignore that.

566
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,480
We don't ignore what's going on in the outside world.

567
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,480
We're not in a little bubble.

568
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,480
I mean, we are to a degree.

569
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,480
But we talk about the other things that are going on.

570
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,480
And in addition to that, you hear how technology sounds different.

571
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,480
I mean, we have all kinds of people calling in.

572
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,480
If you've ever called into the show, you're on these recordings somewhere.

573
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,480
You'll hear the way phones sounded different.

574
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,480
You'll hear the way ringtones sounded different.

575
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,480
At the beginning of the program, you heard some old phone sounds.

576
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,480
Well, that was the norm back then.

577
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:58,480
So all of this is an incredible collection that you can get as a thank you gift

578
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:04,480
if you pledge $150 to WBAI by calling 212-209-2950

579
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,480
or going to the website give2wbai.org.

580
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,480
And just to set the record straight,

581
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,480
we do not in any way profit from this.

582
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,480
We are not selling this.

583
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,480
We are not billing the radio station.

584
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,480
In fact, we are doing the mailing ourselves.

585
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,480
We're doing the production ourselves.

586
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,480
We're buying the flash drives ourselves.

587
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:33,480
We're putting all of the labor and all of the purchasing out of WBAI's hands

588
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,480
because we believe in donating to a terrific place like WBAI and keeping it going.

589
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,480
And I hope our listeners feel that way too.

590
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:47,480
I'm very happy to be able to say that in the challenges of the last few months,

591
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,480
off-the-hook listeners have really come through.

592
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:56,480
I think we're number six overall with all the shows on this radio station.

593
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,480
And there were a lot of shows on this radio station, well over 100.

594
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,480
So that is something to be proud of.

595
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,480
And I'm very proud of our listeners for standing up.

596
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,480
And whenever possible, we will send you a thank you gift.

597
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,480
And this is a thank you gift we are especially proud of

598
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,480
because we poured our hearts into it.

599
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,480
It wasn't a simple matter of just copying the webpage.

600
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,480
Things had to be converted and files had to be checked

601
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,480
and everything had to be put in order.

602
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,480
And it's a really neat thing.

603
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,480
We never really had anything like this before.

604
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,480
We had CDs way back decades ago, and they were clunky.

605
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:35,480
But this, it's all together, and you can copy it as many times as you want and share it.

606
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,480
And that's what it's all about.

607
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,480
So off-the-hook lives on in the past and the present.

608
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,480
Go ahead, Alex.

609
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,480
Another thing that just came to mind,

610
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,480
and thinking about what we talked about last week,

611
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,480
about the necessity of having free speech-focused radio

612
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,480
in an area where everything is tracked, where everything is logged,

613
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:02,480
to be able to turn on a radio station and to just tune in to a phenomenon of physics

614
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,480
without having any kind of record,

615
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,480
without having an IP address logged that you're listening to this particular show.

616
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,480
It also strikes me as particularly apt

617
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,480
that in supporting the station through a $150 donation,

618
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:22,480
your thank-you gift is an archive of all of WBAI's off-the-hook recordings

619
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,480
until the end of 2023, that you as a listener,

620
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,480
you're not only supporting the station, you're an archiver as well.

621
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,480
You are a local repository of off-the-hook.

622
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,480
Should anything ever happen to this platform or this station,

623
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:42,480
you are a copy of the last 30-something years of history of this particular show.

624
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,480
And I think that's a really awesome thing to be as well.

625
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,480
It's also fighting back against these platforms.

626
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,480
It's fighting back against all the things that we're always banging on about,

627
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,480
that you can't trust third-party sources for.

628
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,480
If you've watched this show, take it home with you.

629
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,480
Get that flash drive. Keep it with you.

630
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,480
Keep it on your hard drive. Copy it. Copy it to the cloud.

631
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,480
Put it out on your own web server. Make it available.

632
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,480
You can do whatever you want with it. You own that data then.

633
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,480
You're going to be a true and accurate copy of off-the-hook.

634
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,480
I think that's super cool.

635
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,480
You can take the flash drive and plug it into your car

636
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,480
and listen to a show while you're driving.

637
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,480
It's really simple. We've never had that ability before.

638
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,480
Yeah, you could download a show from the website

639
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,480
or you could connect on the Internet through your car,

640
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,480
but that can be a pain.

641
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,480
This way you have it literally in your hand.

642
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,480
You can just plug it in, pick a show, and listen to it uninterrupted.

643
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,480
212-209-2950.

644
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:51,480
Pledge of $150. You get this off-the-hook archive thank-you gift.

645
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:58,480
And website give2wbai.org.

646
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,480
Yeah, and this reminds me, too.

647
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:06,480
We were talking about Hope in the 1997 show that we just listened to.

648
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,480
It reminds me that we are about to announce speakers

649
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,480
for the upcoming conference this summer.

650
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:17,480
We're going to announce our first batch of speakers tomorrow, I believe,

651
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,480
but the gates are still open for people who want to submit talks

652
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,480
and participate in the conference in whatever way they feel like.

653
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:32,480
So please keep checking hope.net, and we will post updates there as well.

654
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,480
But we have really, really good submissions so far.

655
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,480
I am just blown away by them.

656
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,480
There are a bunch of Hacker Conferences going on this summer

657
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,480
and throughout the rest of the year.

658
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,480
We're going to try and do as much coverage of all of them,

659
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,480
but this is the one that we really pour our heart and soul into,

660
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,480
and it's just a lot of fun.

661
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,480
And undoubtedly, we'll have another flash drive of Hope Talks later in the year

662
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,480
to share with people as well.

663
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,480
But for now, we have the Off the Hook compendium

664
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,480
that will give you a full collection of all the –

665
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,480
anthology is the right word, Off the Hook anthology.

666
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,480
If you're asking on the phone, that's what they look up.

667
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:22,480
This will give you access to virtually everything that has come out since 1988

668
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,480
that involved anyone having to do with Off the Hook.

669
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:32,480
So 202-209-2950 or give to WBAI.org.

670
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,480
We have a letter.

671
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,480
Actually, we have a bunch of letters because people write to us,

672
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,480
and that's a great thing.

673
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:49,480
OTH at 2600.com is our email address.

674
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,480
Hi, OTH folks.

675
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,480
I'm a longtime listener since the early 90s, I guess,

676
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,480
and I know what you'll want.

677
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,480
You'll want to have all the shows on a flash drive like this.

678
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,480
So as a thank you for a pledge of $150,

679
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,480
and it could be a WBAI buddy pledge as well,

680
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,480
you can have access to this as a listener from the early 90s.

681
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,480
And there are many people out there who have listened from the 80s as well.

682
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Anyway, I'm a longtime listener who has emailed you a few times.

683
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,480
I absolutely love your show.

684
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,480
I usually download the shows from the website to listen while I'm doing things at home

685
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,480
or while I'm driving to teach or play a concert in D.C.,

686
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,480
particularly during the deepest, darkest days of the pandemic

687
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,480
when orchestra musicians like myself thought their careers were over.

688
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,480
Listening to your show provided a lot of comfort.

689
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,480
Thank you for that.

690
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,480
I remember as a teenager who loved to go to the library

691
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,480
and find foreign phone numbers in the phone book section

692
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,480
of the local suburban Kansas library and try to call them for free,

693
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,480
first hearing off the hook on the radio when I moved to the East Coast

694
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,480
and thinking these are my people.

695
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,480
Wow.

696
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,480
So here are a few random thoughts and things I'd love to hear your opinions on.

697
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,480
I thought I'd send you away since it looks like it'll be a while before you're on the air again,

698
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,480
and it has been a while, but here we are on the air again.

699
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,480
Dating apps.

700
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,480
Seems as though you have a unique perspective on this

701
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,480
and probably understand how they're designed.

702
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,480
Yes, I know to make money.

703
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,480
It really is quite interesting how it has taken over dating culture.

704
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,480
It certainly has.

705
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,480
It certainly has.

706
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,480
It used to be the outlier.

707
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,480
It used to be something that not many people did.

708
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,480
Now it seems like everybody uses dating apps,

709
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,480
and all fine and good, no judgment here,

710
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,480
but there is a risk, not just a risk of meeting psychos or anything like that,

711
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:39,480
no, a risk of your personal information falling into the wrong hands, being compromised.

712
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,480
We hear about it all the time.

713
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,480
That didn't used to be a problem.

714
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,480
How did dating apps work in the past?

715
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,480
I think you're talking about websites,

716
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:59,480
dating websites that people would join during the emergence of Web 2.0 services.

717
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,480
I'm thinking before then there was something.

718
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,480
People had dating services.

719
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,480
I don't know how they worked.

720
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,480
Oh, you mean like that would be in classified sections?

721
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,480
Yes, like the Back of the Village Voice, that kind of thing.

722
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:10,480
Okay, yes.

723
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:16,480
And classified ads like personals were also another way that people would connect.

724
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:17,480
Do people do that anymore?

725
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,480
Do people pick up personals?

726
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:20,480
Newspapers?

727
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,480
No?

728
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,480
All we ever get are people telling us how things are dying,

729
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,480
but they don't die.

730
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,480
They seem to stick around.

731
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,480
Like radio, hey, look, we're on the radio, so that's still around.

732
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,480
We put out printed magazines.

733
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,480
That's still around.

734
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,480
We listen to vinyl.

735
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,480
That's still around too.

736
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,480
My comment with this is that how is it interoperable?

737
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,480
You're basically only communicating with people that are on this type of platform

738
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:52,480
and the onboarding, like how well does that way of meeting people

739
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:58,480
translate to actual relationships and affinity groups

740
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,480
or is it just be getting a certain type of dating?

741
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,480
And what are the impacts?

742
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,480
What are the differences?

743
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,480
I just feel like there's going to be divides

744
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:15,480
and ways that people might not have understood how it's changing the social dynamics.

745
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:23,480
I know a lot of people, a fair amount of people who got married who met on dating apps.

746
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,480
It's true.

747
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,480
I was surprised.

748
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,480
And actually, now that I think about it, a lot of them have gotten divorced.

749
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,480
But you know what?

750
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,480
That's normal.

751
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,480
That happens no matter how you meet.

752
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,480
But they had some good years.

753
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,480
Yeah, most of them.

754
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,480
Anyway, continuing here, I want to hear that Alex is okay and no longer in pain.

755
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,480
I fully expect you to give your son playful grief about that later in his life.

756
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:55,480
You're talking about your unfortunate accident involving a golf cart late last year.

757
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,480
Alex, how have you been doing?

758
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,480
Yes.

759
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,480
I like to describe it.

760
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,480
As a cybersecurity lawyer, it's all about how you describe the incident.

761
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:13,480
So I like to describe what happened as a freak accident involving a semi-autonomous electric vehicle,

762
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,480
which is another way of saying my 10-year-old in a golf cart.

763
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,480
Yeah, that's probably more accurate.

764
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,480
But I very much appreciate our listeners' concern for my well-being,

765
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,480
and I'm happy to report that I don't have that much pain left.

766
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:37,480
I still have a long way to go, I think, in terms of flexibility and whatnot when it comes to my leg and tendons.

767
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,480
That's going to be a long road to go.

768
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,480
But I'm almost a real biped again.

769
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,480
I'm walking without a boot.

770
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,480
I've got a cool cane that I use these days.

771
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,480
And I did wind up getting a really cool cane to help me out,

772
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:58,480
because there are very few times in life when you can legitimately adopt a new affectation.

773
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,480
So I feel like you quite literally have to lean into it, no pun intended.

774
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,480
But I'm doing very, very well.

775
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,480
So thank you very much for that concern.

776
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,480
And you're currently driving a car, so you're using that foot.

777
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,480
I am using that foot, and I drive a manual transmission, too, so I'm using both feet.

778
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,480
Wow. And have you made it through the tunnel?

779
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,480
I've made it through the tunnel.

780
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,480
I'm in New Jersey, so I've crossed state lines.

781
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,480
It sounds like there's a lot of screeching around you.

782
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,480
Is that you driving like a maniac, or is that just a normal noise?

783
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,480
I'm in New Jersey.

784
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,480
That's a normal noise of people around me.

785
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,480
Okay.

786
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,480
New Jersey listeners, just direct your comments to alexothat27.com.

787
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,480
Okay, continuing with this letter here, Acela and how it could suck less.

788
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,480
We could basically have our own USA version of Shinkansen in the Northeast Corridor.

789
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,480
If we just had the tracks.

790
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,480
Am I right that the trains are just inhibited by the tracks?

791
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,480
And, yes, you are right, listener.

792
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:54,480
Absolutely.

793
00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:04,480
If the tracks were in better shape and more acceptable to high-speed rail carriages at high-speed rail speeds,

794
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,480
yeah, we would have much better service.

795
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,480
Absolutely.

796
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:15,480
Acela takes something like ten minutes less time at best than the Northeast Regional to go from New York City from Baltimore.

797
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,480
Yeah, it should be half the time.

798
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,480
I know.

799
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,480
I know.

800
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,480
But, you know, we're lucky we have that.

801
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,480
Acela, believe it or not, is the fastest train in the Western Hemisphere.

802
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,480
Think about that.

803
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,480
I know it's kind of depressing, but it's true.

804
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,480
It doesn't even qualify for high speed in the global definition.

805
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,480
It's higher speed, but it's not really high speed.

806
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:45,480
Hopefully the next version of Acela due to come in the next year or so will beat that.

807
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,480
We'll see.

808
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,480
All right.

809
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,480
Also, I love that a show with a name, at least partially inspired by a 2600 hertz plastic whistle, talks about trains so much.

810
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,480
Yeah, why is that?

811
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:56,480
I don't know.

812
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,480
We just do.

813
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,480
That's something that a lot of hackers are into.

814
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,480
Continuing here, I spend a lot of time in Asia teaching young musicians during the summer.

815
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:08,480
Since the pandemic, I haven't been able to go there and have done it elsewhere in the last couple of years.

816
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,480
For the first time since 2019, which weirdly feels like last year.

817
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,480
I hear that.

818
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,480
I will be going to mainland China this summer, going back to mainland China.

819
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,480
I've enjoyed hearing some of your advice about traveling with technology.

820
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,480
Would enjoy hearing more detail as it relates to this.

821
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,480
I, in this instance anyway, can't just not bring my phone.

822
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,480
I guess I could put my SIM in a burner phone for the time I'm there.

823
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,480
I wonder what your suggestions are as to what I should do.

824
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,480
At the moment, I'm thinking that I will bring my phone stripped of most personal data.

825
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,480
Ideas about how exactly to accomplish this would be welcome.

826
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,480
Use only a burner phone while there.

827
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:52,480
I particularly appreciated Gila's advice to disable fingerprint authentication in one of your shows this year.

828
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,480
Yeah, you know, the advice that we would give is don't carry your whole life on your phone.

829
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,480
And that's advice that you can use everywhere because there are always people out,

830
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:10,480
always entities out to steal your data or look at your data, you know, abuse your privacy.

831
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,480
And that's something that we're very keen on preventing.

832
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,480
So, yeah, I wouldn't go nuts over it.

833
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,480
I wouldn't say that you have to, you know, have this completely stripped down phone

834
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,480
or maybe get a completely different phone and keep yours, leave your other phone at home.

835
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,480
Just be aware of the potential threats.

836
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,480
And sometimes, sometimes those threats can be educational.

837
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:40,480
If you have data, for instance, that, you know, isn't super private or crucial

838
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,480
and you see that that data has somehow gotten out.

839
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,480
Well, now you can kind of figure out how.

840
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,480
Where were the weak points?

841
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,480
Maybe it's something that nobody else has caught.

842
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,480
So there's all kinds of possibilities when you have a hacker mindset.

843
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,480
Anyway, the letter concludes, keep up the good work.

844
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,480
I really appreciate all the time and effort you spend making this show for us.

845
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,480
You're the good kind of radio.

846
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,480
Thank you, David, for that amazing letter.

847
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,480
And it's a letter I really needed today.

848
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,480
And it's good to know our listeners are out there and that they support us.

849
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:12,480
They support WBAI.

850
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,480
It's good to know WBAI is out there.

851
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,480
WBAI supports us as we support them.

852
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,480
So that is something.

853
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,480
You know, we got one more letter.

854
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:22,480
I'm almost out of time.

855
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,480
But I just wanted to glance at this for a second.

856
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:33,480
It comes from Indiana Toll Road, which I thought was a weird handle.

857
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,480
But Indiana Toll Road goes on to write,

858
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:44,480
ITRCC ensures customer data protection amid easy pass toll phishing slash schmissing scams.

859
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,480
I'm not sure what schmissing is.

860
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,480
In light of recent phishing scams targeting customers of various toll road agencies,

861
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:56,480
the ITRCC wishes to remind its customers that it does not send text messages requesting sensitive information,

862
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,480
such as passwords, payment information, or account numbers.

863
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:04,480
And right about now is when I'm realizing that this actually is coming from an Indiana Toll Road.

864
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,480
Why are we getting mail from a road?

865
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,480
Look at this.

866
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,480
It's indianatollroad.org.

867
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,480
They have a website.

868
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,480
And they're sending us mail.

869
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,480
They're sending off-the-hook mail.

870
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,480
An Indiana Toll Road.

871
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,480
I mean, do the non-toll roads have an email address as well?

872
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,480
Or is it just the toll roads that are spamming us here?

873
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:27,480
Wow.

874
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,480
Why Indiana?

875
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:37,480
And, yeah, indianatollroad.org goes to a website that's all about their roads.

876
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:38,480
Okay, that is something.

877
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,480
That is incredible.

878
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,480
Bet you didn't see that coming.

879
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:48,480
If you're not a highway and you want to write to us, othat2600.com is our email address.

880
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,480
Alex, you're driving right now.

881
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,480
Whatever road you're on, please leave instructions not to email us with whatever it is they have to say.

882
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,480
Humans only.

883
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:03,480
Yeah, I will try to mention that to Interstate 80 when I have a chance to talk with it.

884
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,480
Well, pay attention to your roadways.

885
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,480
Yeah, you should.

886
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,480
Any other housekeeping we have to share with the folks?

887
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,480
Because we haven't been on for a couple of weeks.

888
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,480
We're kind of getting our bearings.

889
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,480
We should be back to normal next week.

890
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,480
Please continue to support the radio station.

891
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,480
It might seem like we're always in crisis, and perhaps we always are.

892
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:24,480
But you know what?

893
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:30,480
It's a kind of crisis that pays off in the end because you get to hear thoughts, ideas,

894
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,480
and participate in ways that you wouldn't be able to ordinarily.

895
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,480
And only by supporting the radio station is any of that possible.

896
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,480
By keeping radio shows like Off the Hook on the air, do we get to talk about this?

897
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,480
Do you get to hear about this?

898
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:54,480
Remember, Thank You Gift for $150 Pledge is a collection of every single show from 1988 to 2023 through 2023.

899
00:50:54,480 --> 00:51:01,480
And you saw how easily we were able to manipulate to a show of our choice from any of that time period.

900
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,480
You can do the same thing and learn all sorts of things.

901
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,480
You know, there are people who write to us who are arguing with points we made 16 years ago.

902
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:10,480
I'm not kidding.

903
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,480
They say, I just listened to this show, and you're wrong about this.

904
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:18,480
First of all, okay, yeah, sometimes we've already been proven wrong, so we don't need someone to tell us that.

905
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:23,480
But other times, we continue the conversation, and that's the magic of it.

906
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,480
All the time.

907
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:25,480
All the time.

908
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,480
All the time, people are going through at different rates in their lives.

909
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:38,480
It's fascinating to hear the reaction to something that was said so deep in the past and maybe how it's relevant.

910
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:44,480
If you've been moaning the loss of radio and how things just aren't the same,

911
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:52,480
well, here's a chance to get 1,500 hours plus of radio that aired in the past.

912
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,480
How long in the past?

913
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,480
That's up to you, I guess.

914
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,480
212-209-2950.

915
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,480
Give to WBAI.org.

916
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:08,480
Thanks, everybody, for showing their support with these challenges that we've been facing personally at the radio show.

917
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:12,480
Again, you know, it's an annoyance.

918
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,480
There are people out there that will always try and destroy what we build.

919
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,480
It just means we got to build it better.

920
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,480
Oh, I don't want to sound like one of the Trumps.

921
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,480
No, we'll build it much better than that.

922
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,480
OTH at 2600.com is our email address.

923
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:33,480
Hey, let's go out with some music from a Palestinian.

924
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,480
Yeah, imagine that.

925
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,480
Nasser Khalil.

926
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,480
See you next week.

927
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:55,480
See you next week.

928
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,480
See you next week.

929
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,480
See you next week.

930
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:25,480
See you next week.

931
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:26,480
See you next week.

932
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:27,480
See you next week.

933
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,480
See you next week.

934
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,480
See you next week.

935
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See you next week.

936
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See you next week.

937
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See you next week.

938
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See you next week.

939
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940
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See you next week.

941
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See you next week.

942
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See you next week.

943
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944
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See you next week.

945
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946
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See you next week.

947
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See you next week.

948
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See you next week.

949
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950
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951
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952
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953
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954
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955
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956
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957
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958
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959
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960
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961
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See you next week.

962
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963
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964
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965
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966
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967
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See you next week.

968
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969
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970
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971
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See you next week.

972
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973
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974
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:09,480
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975
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,480
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976
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977
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978
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979
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980
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981
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982
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983
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984
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See you next week.

985
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986
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987
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988
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989
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990
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991
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992
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993
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See you next week.

994
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See you next week.

995
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:30,480
See you next week.

996
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:31,480
See you next week.

997
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,480
See you next week.

998
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:33,480
See you next week.

999
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,480
See you next week.

1000
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:35,480
See you next week.

1001
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,480
See you next week.

1002
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,480
See you next week.

1003
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:38,480
See you next week.

1004
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,480
See you next week.

1005
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:40,480
See you next week.

1006
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:41,480
See you next week.

1007
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:42,480
See you next week.

1008
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:43,480
See you next week.

1009
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:44,480
See you next week.

1010
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,480
See you next week.

1011
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,480
See you next week.

1012
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:47,480
See you next week.

1013
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,480
See you next week.

1014
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,480
See you next week.

1015
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:50,480
See you next week.

1016
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:51,480
See you next week.

1017
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:52,480
See you next week.

1018
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,480
See you next week.

1019
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:54,480
See you next week.

1020
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:55,480
See you next week.

1021
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,480
See you next week.

1022
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:57,480
See you next week.

1023
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,480
See you next week.

1024
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,480
See you next week.

1025
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:00,480
See you next week.

1026
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,480
See you next week.

1027
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,480
See you next week.

1028
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:03,480
See you next week.

1029
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:04,480
See you next week.

1030
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,480
See you next week.

1031
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:06,480
See you next week.

1032
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:07,480
See you next week.

1033
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:08,480
See you next week.

1034
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:09,480
See you next week.

1035
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:10,480
See you next week.

1036
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:11,480
See you next week.

1037
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:12,480
See you next week.

1038
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:13,480
See you next week.

1039
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:14,480
See you next week.

1040
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:15,480
See you next week.

1041
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:16,480
See you next week.

1042
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:17,480
See you next week.

1043
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:18,480
See you next week.

1044
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:19,480
See you next week.

1045
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,480
See you next week.