1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,500 Our newscast is supported by Pacifica Radio, community radio affiliates, and listener supporters. 2 00:00:05,500 --> 00:00:09,000 Podcast at www.fsrn.org 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:14,000 or you can follow us on Twitter at twitter.com slash FSRN. 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Today's newscast was produced by Catherine Komp. 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,500 Our headlines editor was Andrew Stelzer. 6 00:00:19,500 --> 00:00:22,500 FSRN's intern is Shuhei Nakayama. 7 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:28,000 And our technical production team at KPFA in Berkeley includes Rose Katabchi and Scott Fahim 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,000 From Bogota, Colombia, I'm Manuel Rueda. 9 00:00:41,500 --> 00:00:44,500 And you're listening to radio station WBAI New York. 10 00:00:44,500 --> 00:00:46,500 The time is just about 7 o'clock. 11 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:50,000 Stay tuned for a very special edition of Off The Hook. 12 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Where the machine won't work yet again. Here we go. 13 00:00:58,500 --> 00:01:00,500 The telephone keeps ringing 14 00:01:00,500 --> 00:01:03,000 So I ripped it off the wall 15 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000 I cut myself while shaving 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Now I can't make a call 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,000 We couldn't get much worse 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,500 But if they could, they would 19 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:16,500 Bum-diddly-bum for the best, expect the worst 20 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:19,000 I hope that's understood 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Bum-diddly-bum 22 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Bum-diddly-bum 23 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,000 Bum-diddly-bum 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,000 Bum-diddly-bum 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Bum-diddly-bum 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Bum-diddly-bum 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Bum-diddly-bum 28 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Bum-diddly-bum 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,000 Bum-diddly-bum 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Bum-diddly-bum 31 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Bum-diddly-bum 256 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,000 Bum-diddly-bum 257 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,000 Bum-diddly-bum 258 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Bum-diddly-bum 259 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,000 Bum-diddly-bum 260 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Bum-diddly-bum 261 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Bum-diddly-bum 262 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Bum-diddly-bum 263 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Bum-diddly-bum 264 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,680 Well, the first people showed up at 4 in the morning to really target the media, and 265 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:41,360 then other people later gave them to commuters, and yeah, thousands of people in New York 266 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:42,360 learned something. 267 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,760 So, they thought they were getting a free copy of the New York Post, which usually costs 268 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:48,760 what? 269 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:49,760 75 cents. 270 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:50,760 75 cents. 271 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,680 So, I guess people were kind of happy to be getting a free copy. 272 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,040 Did anybody ask why we're getting free copies of the New York Post? 273 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,040 No. 274 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,040 Okay, they just took it then. 275 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,600 They just took it and ran. 276 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,680 What kind of response did you get when people started to read it, or did people start to 277 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:04,680 read it? 278 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:10,600 This time around, I mean, it was really pretty weird, because people didn't really think 279 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,400 it was any different than your usual post. 280 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:17,040 I mean, the headline, We're Screwed, is actually kind of in keeping with their messaging, usually. 281 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,680 So, I mean, it was different. 282 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,760 It was a lot harder handing out the post than it was when we did a fake New York Times last 283 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:23,760 year. 284 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:24,760 Yeah, we'll get to that. 285 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:25,760 More people wanted that. 286 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,760 The point is, the New York Post, it was about half the people you tried to hand it to basically 287 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:29,920 said, that rag, I don't want it. 288 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:30,920 They didn't even read it. 289 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:31,920 Did you explain to them? 290 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:32,920 Yeah, yeah. 291 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,280 I followed them, and I was saying, hey, you got to take this one. 292 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:36,280 You're going to like this one. 293 00:06:36,280 --> 00:06:37,280 This one's different. 294 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:40,240 And they were like, yeah, get away from me. 295 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,120 You couldn't convince anybody who had their mind made up about the post to take the fake 296 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,120 post. 297 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,280 But, you know, then people who were reading it, who are normally post readers, really 298 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:51,160 kind of got into it. 299 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,440 There were some double takes out there. 300 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,080 Now, how many pages was this post? 301 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,080 It was 14. 302 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,080 14 pages? 303 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,080 Yeah. 304 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,080 Okay, so it was a bit smaller than a normal post. 305 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:59,400 It was a little bit. 306 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,400 But that's like about 400 pages, isn't it? 307 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:01,400 Yeah. 308 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,080 But if you subtract the ads from the normal post, this probably gets down to about 14 309 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,080 pages of whatever. 310 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,080 Yeah. 311 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,600 And then subtract the non-information, and you're down to like one. 312 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:10,600 Yeah. 313 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,080 So in addition to the we're screwed, what other kinds of material did you have in there? 314 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:14,080 There were comics. 315 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,080 Comics? 316 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,080 You actually had comics? 317 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,080 Yeah, we had comics. 318 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:18,080 Uh-huh. 319 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:24,840 Snoopy, Peanuts, where Charlie Brown goes and finds Snoopy drowned, it's the bleakest 320 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:25,840 part of the paper. 321 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:26,840 Oh, wow. 322 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:27,840 I take it you had original artwork for that. 323 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:29,600 Yeah. 324 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:30,600 The comics were so snoopy drowned. 325 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:31,600 It was really not funny. 326 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:32,600 None of them was funny. 327 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,600 I thought the commercials were also great, too. 328 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:34,600 Yeah. 329 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:35,600 You know, the commercials were another hysterical part of that. 330 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:36,600 Advertising, you mean? 331 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:37,600 Oh, man. 332 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:38,600 Yeah. 333 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:39,600 Yeah. 334 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:40,600 There was an ad for tap water. 335 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,600 Advertisements. 336 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:42,600 The advertisement for sex is the favorite of pretty much everybody. 337 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:43,600 There was an ad for sex. 338 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:44,600 Wait, wait. 339 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:45,600 Describe these a little bit more detail. 340 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:46,600 All right. 341 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:47,600 There's an advertisement. 342 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:48,600 Imagine one of those holiday ads on the beach, and you see, I think, some legs and just a 343 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:49,600 beautiful beach landscape, and it says, sex, no carbon emissions. 344 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:50,600 Yeah. 345 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:51,600 So it's just an ad for, like, basically not going anywhere, staying home, and having sex. 346 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:52,600 Wow. 347 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:53,600 Yeah. 348 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:54,600 What a brilliant idea. 349 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:55,600 Very environmentally sound. 350 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:56,600 Yeah. 351 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:57,600 It had one of the things saying, well, you just want to get laid anyway, so. 352 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,600 Wow. 353 00:07:58,600 --> 00:07:59,600 Yeah. 354 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:00,600 That was actually my favorite ad. 355 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,600 I think there may have been small print about not, you know, not necessarily reproducing 356 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:02,600 because that does have a carbon footprint, so. 357 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:03,600 Yeah. 358 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:04,600 So the whole paper was basically, you know, a bunch of ads for sex. 359 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:05,600 Yeah. 360 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:06,600 Yeah. 361 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:07,600 Yeah. 362 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:08,600 Yeah. 363 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:09,600 Yeah. 364 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,600 Yeah. 365 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:11,600 Yeah. 366 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:12,600 Yeah. 367 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:13,600 Yeah. 368 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:14,600 Yeah. 369 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:15,600 Yeah. 370 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:16,600 Yeah. 371 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:17,600 Yeah. 372 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:18,600 Yeah. 373 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,600 Yeah. 374 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,560 So the whole paper was basically with that theme of carbon emissions, greenhouse effect, 375 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:25,560 all that environmental. 376 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:26,560 That's right. 377 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,860 And, okay, so you guys put this out. 378 00:08:29,860 --> 00:08:32,520 First of all, how long does it take to put something like this out, a project like this? 379 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,160 Fake New York Post, how long does that take? 380 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,200 This one was like a month of solid work. 381 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,200 It only takes a month? 382 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,200 Really? 383 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,200 Yeah. 384 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,200 There were a lot of people involved. 385 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,480 We had some really great people, a lot of great people, and yeah, we just cranked on 386 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:45,480 it for a month. 387 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:46,480 Uh-huh. 388 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:47,480 Yeah. 389 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,360 How do you pitch fake news stories? 390 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,640 Did you have an editorial board? 391 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:58,680 You know, we started with a call on the web saying we wanted to put out a website with 392 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:03,280 tabloid stories about global warming. 393 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,280 No more information. 394 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,480 And we got a lot of stories based on that and edited them. 395 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,720 And then we told a few people about it, not very many. 396 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,640 But yeah, we just said, you know, we're going to write a post that's actually true and contains 397 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:19,760 a bunch of information. 398 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,640 Here are some stories that you might want to write. 399 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:22,920 Here are some others. 400 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,440 And we were surprised. 401 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:25,960 And Rupert Murdoch was also surprised. 402 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,680 I hear he's fit to be tied as far as his reaction to this. 403 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:32,840 What did you hear from the real New York Post people? 404 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:38,800 Well, somebody actually got to put one in his hand, one of the distributors, on his 405 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:39,800 way to work. 406 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:40,800 Who knew? 407 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,800 He goes into work every day. 408 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:42,800 How did you find him? 409 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:43,800 He walks to work? 410 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,520 He walks into the News Corp building apparently at the same time every day, about 8, 8.30 411 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:49,520 in the morning. 412 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:50,520 He goes in. 413 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,960 And so somebody handed him a paper. 414 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,640 He did do a double take. 415 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,960 And then he ended up, you know, he went into the building and a few minutes later out came 416 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:00,960 security. 417 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,560 And then they got the cops to basically impound people's newspapers. 418 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:07,960 So there were about three or four people distributing there. 419 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,960 And they detained the people and took their newspapers. 420 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:14,280 So Rupert Murdoch himself put the heavy hand of the law down on this. 421 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,440 That's the way we like to see it. 422 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:16,440 Yeah. 423 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:17,440 We don't have direct evidence. 424 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,520 I mean, nobody who followed him in and was able to record his phone conversation. 425 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,240 Is there any video of him taking the paper or a picture or anything? 426 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,240 Unfortunately, we don't have that. 427 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,240 We just have eyewitness accounts down. 428 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:28,240 Wow. 429 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,240 Yeah. 430 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,240 I'm sorry. 431 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,240 That's no good. 432 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:32,240 But, wow. 433 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,240 That's incredible though. 434 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,240 So, okay. 435 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,240 Now, one of you got arrested. 436 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,240 Yep. 437 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:39,240 And... 438 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:40,360 The next day. 439 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,880 How did that happen? 440 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,640 Trying to take the UN by assault. 441 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,240 Oh, so it wasn't related to the New York Post? 442 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,240 No. 443 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,040 It wasn't really related to anything. 444 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,040 We... 445 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,040 You were trying to take the UN? 446 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,040 Okay. 447 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,040 Yeah. 448 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,040 Tell us the story. 449 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,240 Well, in our film, at one point, we pose as Halliburton and we go to an insurance conference, 450 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,120 Catastrophic Loss Insurance. 451 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,760 And as Halliburton, we propose a solution to global warming. 452 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:12,520 And that's to save the very wealthiest people in the world using these giant round balls 453 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,000 called survival balls. 454 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:19,320 And we inflated them and put people from the audience into them and demonstrated them 455 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,160 with animations and so on. 456 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,840 Well, after the film was done, we just loved these things. 457 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,720 And so, we built 20 of them. 458 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,520 And we found that they're really good for civil disobedience. 459 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,560 The cops don't know where to put the handcuffs. 460 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:35,240 They look stupid no matter what they're doing to make people laugh. 461 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:42,000 And we took 20 of them and we wanted to get to the UN where 100 world leaders were meeting 462 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,320 to decide the fate of the planet. 463 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,760 And we wanted to blockade them inside until they came to a good climate agreement. 464 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,040 But of course, the UN itself was blockaded. 465 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,480 So we decided to go by water. 466 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:59,840 And of course, the minute we put these survival balls into the East River, the cops arrived. 467 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,080 I heard the Coast Guard was involved in this too, somehow. 468 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,080 Yeah. 469 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,080 Coast Guard. 470 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,080 So they took an interest when you entered the water as well. 471 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,080 Yeah. 472 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,080 Helicopters arrived. 473 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,320 So now, you wound up being taken away to the tombs, yes? 474 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:11,320 Yeah. 475 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:12,640 To the tombs. 476 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,080 Well, the cops arrived by land and gave a bunch of people tickets, took IDs of whoever 477 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,240 would give them IDs, trespassing tickets. 478 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:24,020 They ran mine through the system and it turned out I had a bicycle ticket. 479 00:12:24,020 --> 00:12:26,120 So it really had nothing to do with taking the UN by storm. 480 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,520 You had a previous bicycle ticket or a ticket for hospitality? 481 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:29,520 Nah. 482 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:30,520 Wow. 483 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:31,520 Previous. 484 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:32,520 Interesting. 485 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:33,520 I hadn't paid it. 486 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:34,920 So for the benefit of the listeners, could you describe what a survival ball looks like 487 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:35,920 or entails? 488 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:36,920 Yeah. 489 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,440 It's about six feet in diameter. 490 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,480 It contains one person. 491 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,400 It's a gated community for one. 492 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,800 And all that you see basically is a little face and six little hands and two little feet 493 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,040 on the six foot orb. 494 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,520 And they kind of move in a gelatinous sort of delayed kind of way. 495 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:55,920 And they waddle around. 496 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:02,080 And basically, when you're inside of one, the story goes that there's all kinds of apparati 497 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:07,240 inside that will sustain you no matter what happens to the environment around you. 498 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:13,200 But in reality, there's just a costume with a little air blower inside that keeps it inflated. 499 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,960 So it's basically Rover from The Prisoner? 500 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:16,960 It is. 501 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:17,960 It's The Prisoner. 502 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,440 It's precisely The Prisoner, only there's an actual person inside that ball. 503 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,440 Well, we don't know what's inside Rover. 504 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,280 Well, I think there was a person inside that ball too. 505 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,280 Oh, was there? 506 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:26,280 I think there was just a voice or something. 507 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,280 Yeah. 508 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:28,280 You know what? 509 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:29,280 They did. 510 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,520 They pulled it with string and then they played it back in reverse. 511 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,480 So it looked like it was coming toward you when it was actually going away. 512 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:34,480 Ah. 513 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,480 Yeah. 514 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:36,480 A little bit of interesting information there. 515 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,840 Now, you guys are the ultimate social engineers. 516 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:40,840 You know what social engineering is? 517 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:41,840 Oh, yeah. 518 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:42,840 Yeah. 519 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:43,840 You've been to Hope, in fact. 520 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:44,840 Yeah. 521 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,960 We've been to Hope and we watched you do an amazing phone demonstration that we absolutely 522 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:48,960 loved. 523 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:49,960 Oh, boy. 524 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:50,960 Which one was this? 525 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,080 Maybe Russian Tea Room or Starbucks or- 526 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,080 McDonald's. 527 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,080 McDonald's. 528 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,080 Yes. 529 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,720 Well, you know, I try not to cause harm and confusion to people, but it's a funny side 530 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:01,720 effect sometimes. 531 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,840 But you guys, I don't know how you pull off what you've... 532 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:09,640 I mean, you've been on BBC, spokespeople for the WTO. 533 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:14,560 You actually went to a conference, was it in Australia, and announced that the WTO was 534 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:16,120 folding, going out of existence. 535 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,120 That's right. 536 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,080 And people were there to hear from the WTO and this is in your first movie. 537 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,080 They said, yeah, you know what? 538 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,280 It was very courageous what the WTO did. 539 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:30,040 They admitted they were wrong, they're going to restart, reboot themselves or whatever. 540 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,840 And yeah, I understand now. 541 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,920 And of course, how in the world do you get to represent yourself as a spokesperson for 542 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,920 the WTO and have people believe you? 543 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:38,920 Right. 544 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,040 Well, I mean, it's all about the initial confidence. 545 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,040 Like if they think that you are the WTO, then they don't have any reason to suspect that 546 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,240 you're anyone else when you arrive. 547 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:53,960 And I think they're just not really used to people trying to pretend to be the CEOs. 548 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:59,360 It's not a very desirable thing to be somebody like Lee Raymond, the CEO of ExxonMobil. 549 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,640 So if you call somebody up and you say that you represent that guy, then they have no 550 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,880 reason to sort of suspect that you don't. 551 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:11,520 That's I think the first rule is that their guard is not up. 552 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,520 And they're just in business. 553 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,000 We're taking notes, by the way. 554 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,000 Yeah. 555 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,560 So if you offer them somebody important, you claim to be from some big PR company, you 556 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,760 offer them somebody important like Lee Raymond, they want him at the conference, they think 557 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,920 they've got a deal if he's going to come and speak for free. 558 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,080 And so then when he doesn't show up on the day and you have to give them somebody of 559 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,600 lesser importance, there's still... 560 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,720 So that's the key. 561 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,480 The person they might know about doesn't show up and then there's a substitute for that 562 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:38,480 person. 563 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:39,480 Yeah. 564 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:40,480 Okay. 565 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:41,480 So you set this up. 566 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,480 So you had a big wig. 567 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,000 You set that up and he didn't show up. 568 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,000 That was something that you did. 569 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,400 It wasn't that he didn't show up. 570 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,720 You said he was going to be somewhere and he wasn't there. 571 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:49,720 Yeah. 572 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:50,720 So then you step in. 573 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:51,720 You just happened to be there? 574 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:52,720 Yeah. 575 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:53,720 We just happened to be there. 576 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:54,720 Okay. 577 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:55,760 So you represent WTO. 578 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,760 We'll fill in for this. 579 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:04,800 Well, for that particular one, they actually did invite us from the website. 580 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,840 So the first movie, everything that we did was basically just people inviting us thinking 581 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,960 that the website was the real thing. 582 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,280 And so it was all their initiative initially. 583 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,800 And then we give them what they asked for plus more. 584 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:24,040 And then in the new film, as the search engines get more savvy and stuff, you have to figure 585 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,360 out other ways to open the doors. 586 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:27,360 And yeah. 587 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:28,360 You mentioned the website. 588 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,240 There was a website that people were fooled into believing was actually the WTO. 589 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,480 What website was that? 590 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,920 That was at gat.org. 591 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,400 I think it still is, g-a-t-t.org. 592 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,400 Okay. 593 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:38,400 I remember that. 594 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:39,400 We've talked about this. 595 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:40,400 Yeah. 596 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:41,400 Now, what happened with that site? 597 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:42,400 It's still there. 598 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:43,400 It's still there. 599 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,400 Yeah. 600 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,400 So it wasn't taken down. 601 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:46,400 I know they tried to take it down, didn't they? 602 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,400 Not really. 603 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,560 As soon as we put it up in 99, they wrote a press release about it. 604 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,680 They said it was deplorable and it was undermining WTO transparency. 605 00:16:54,680 --> 00:17:00,200 It's kind of hard to argue, though, because look at what you guys did. 606 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,120 WTO transparency was undermined? 607 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,120 You're the guys who did that? 608 00:17:04,120 --> 00:17:05,120 Yeah. 609 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:06,120 We did that. 610 00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:07,120 That was our fault. 611 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:08,120 It was actually our website. 612 00:17:08,120 --> 00:17:09,120 WTO transparency is non-existent, though, isn't it? 613 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:11,320 Well, they undermined it. 614 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,000 You could actually read our website. 615 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,000 That was the problem. 616 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,000 Wow. 617 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,280 We're here with Mike and Andy from the Yes Men. 618 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,040 You guys are geniuses as far as what you were able to pull off and how you were able to 619 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,400 do it and somehow stay alive. 620 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:25,400 Fake New York Post. 621 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,640 We're going to talk about the Fake New York Times, but first, we are in the middle of 622 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,920 a fundraising show, so we have special offers for people that are interested in this kind 623 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,480 of thing because, wow, we have some incredible things here. 624 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:41,320 If you're kicking yourself because you missed out on the Fake New York Post being handed 625 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:47,520 out, these things were handed out and they're gone now, New York Times as well, but if you 626 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,800 call us up and pledge, you'll get two copies of each. 627 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,760 A $75 pledge will get you – are they signed? 628 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:54,760 Yes, they are. 629 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:55,760 Autographed. 630 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:56,760 Okay. 631 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:57,760 Autographed copies. 632 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:02,560 Two autographed copies of the Fake New York Post and the Fake New York Times, and in addition 633 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:03,560 to that, you get a – 634 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:04,560 Two copies of each. 635 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:05,560 That's right. 636 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:06,560 Four newspapers. 637 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:07,560 Four newspapers, yeah. 638 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,560 Wow. 639 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:09,560 That's almost what a newspaper costs anyway. 640 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,560 Do I hear a stocking stuffer? 641 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:19,400 You'll get a copy of – actually, a copy, you'll get an off-the-hook t-shirt for any 642 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:24,520 pledge of $25 and above, 212-209-2950 is the phone number to call to take advantage of 643 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:31,160 that special deal, and I've rifled through both the Post and the Times, the Fake New 644 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,120 York Times, which we put out last year, which we'll get into in a minute, and they are 645 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:35,120 brilliant. 646 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:40,440 They're very well laid out, they're very believable and clever, and their collectors 647 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,880 items, they really are amazing. 648 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,760 So 212-209-2950 is the number to call to pledge for those. 649 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,680 That's for a $75 pledge. 650 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,000 For 125, we have another special deal. 651 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,000 You'll get all of that. 652 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,960 You'll get the t-shirt, you'll get the newspapers, but you also get the Yes Men book. 653 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,560 What's that all about? 654 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:58,560 It's a book. 655 00:18:58,560 --> 00:18:59,560 It's a – 656 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:00,560 Well said. 657 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,840 It's for reading. 658 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,840 It's for reading. 659 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:04,840 It's for looking at. 660 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,160 It's got a lot of pictures, mainly pictures, really – 661 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:08,160 Oh, we like pictures. 662 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,800 Good pictures, yeah. 663 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:16,000 It's basically about our adventures as the World Trade Organization, from the first thing 664 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:21,000 we did all the way through to the dissolution of the WTO in Australia at the end of the 665 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,000 book. 666 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Nice. 667 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,640 So you'll get that, an autographed copy of that book as well, plus a Yes Men comic book? 668 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:28,640 What's this about? 669 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:29,640 Oh, yeah. 670 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,000 Tell us about this. 671 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,840 Well, it's actually an alternative script for the movie that got thrown out in the middle 672 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,840 of making the movie, and we really liked it. 673 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,480 And Rebecca Migdal, a comic book artist, came to us. 674 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,640 She writes for World War III comics, and this is actually going to be part of World War 675 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,920 III comics, the next issue, the positive looking forward issue. 676 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:57,720 And so she wanted to do it, and we said, well, here's a script, and it's a really funny 677 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,720 script. 678 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,720 We're on a sailboat. 679 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:00,720 It's good. 680 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,720 Nice. 681 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:02,720 OK. 682 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,640 So that's what we have tonight, folks. 683 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,960 This is the fundraiser to keep WBAI going. 684 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,360 We can talk about things like this. 685 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:15,240 I imagine you don't really have very many opportunities to speak to big audiences in 686 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:22,560 major metropolitan areas, at least not without being dragged away by authorities. 687 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,960 But this place exists to, well, we love things like this. 688 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:32,920 We love this kind of this cleverness and this way of simply challenging the status quo. 689 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,680 And your call to support the radio station helps keep these voices going, and so it's 690 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,760 very important that we hear from you. 691 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,200 We have zero calls on the line, so we need to do better than that. 692 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,400 Yes, we need to improve. 693 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,200 People don't know that the number is 212-209-2950. 694 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,600 Yeah, I thought I said it, but maybe I didn't say it clearly enough. 695 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:49,600 Would you say it again? 696 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:50,600 212-209-2950. 697 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:55,520 And if there are people who are outside the country, you should dial your international 698 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,920 prefix and then 1. 699 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,600 Might I also point out that we are offering these items only for this hour. 700 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,040 They will not be offered afterwards, and we have to be very strict about that. 701 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,300 We always get mail from people. 702 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:09,180 We try to tell you in advance that we're going to be doing a special fundraiser tonight, 703 00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:10,980 so there's no excuse for not listening live. 704 00:21:10,980 --> 00:21:15,660 But if you listen to this after 8 o'clock tonight, we can offer you these items. 705 00:21:15,660 --> 00:21:23,260 So you can only call 212-209-2950 now in the next 40 minutes or so to get the – there's 706 00:21:23,260 --> 00:21:24,260 a call. 707 00:21:24,260 --> 00:21:25,260 There's one call. 708 00:21:25,260 --> 00:21:26,820 Let's see if we can make that five calls because that's where we should be now. 709 00:21:26,820 --> 00:21:28,940 We like to make about $1,000 in an hour. 710 00:21:28,940 --> 00:21:30,700 That's reasonable, right? 711 00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:33,060 Can we add one more thing as an incentive? 712 00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:34,060 Sure. 713 00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:37,340 We have one, one Reggie candle. 714 00:21:37,340 --> 00:21:42,140 Now this candle is made from a man named Reggie. 715 00:21:42,140 --> 00:21:43,380 I read about Reggie. 716 00:21:43,380 --> 00:21:44,380 Yeah, yeah. 717 00:21:44,380 --> 00:21:52,420 Unfortunately, he died, and his body was rendered down to make the first Exxon Vivolium product, 718 00:21:52,420 --> 00:21:57,580 and I mean this is made from a victim of climate change, the first victim, and it contains 719 00:21:57,580 --> 00:21:58,580 human hair. 720 00:21:58,580 --> 00:21:59,580 It's actually Andy. 721 00:21:59,580 --> 00:22:00,580 It's actually human. 722 00:22:00,580 --> 00:22:01,580 It could be Andy's hair. 723 00:22:01,580 --> 00:22:02,580 Wow. 724 00:22:02,580 --> 00:22:03,580 Yeah. 725 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:05,100 It's terrible. 726 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:06,100 I don't recommend burning it, but it's a relic. 727 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:10,660 I mean it's like, you know, it's beeswax, so what's inside there – I mean, sorry, 728 00:22:10,660 --> 00:22:16,620 it's human flesh, and so it's very – anyway, so we can offer this. 729 00:22:16,620 --> 00:22:18,380 This is a relic. 730 00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:19,860 It's very unusual. 731 00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:21,460 It says Exxon Vivolium. 732 00:22:21,460 --> 00:22:22,460 You light up my life. 733 00:22:22,460 --> 00:22:23,460 Oh my God. 734 00:22:23,460 --> 00:22:28,700 It's an original prop that was used in our movie when we went to Calgary to a big oil 735 00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:33,700 conference, and we handed these out to the audience, and they didn't actually find 736 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:37,780 out that they were made from human flesh until they saw a tribute video to the man who died 737 00:22:37,780 --> 00:22:38,780 to make them. 738 00:22:38,780 --> 00:22:39,780 So anyway. 739 00:22:39,780 --> 00:22:40,780 Okay. 740 00:22:40,780 --> 00:22:41,780 Well, you've got one of those. 741 00:22:41,780 --> 00:22:44,820 So maybe if somebody calls up and pledges a large amount, we'll give them a piece 742 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:47,540 of Reggie as a thank you for that. 743 00:22:47,540 --> 00:22:48,540 Exactly. 744 00:22:48,540 --> 00:22:49,540 212-209-2950. 745 00:22:49,540 --> 00:22:53,580 We have three calls on the line, so that's definitely an improvement over the zero we 746 00:22:53,580 --> 00:22:57,860 had before, but we'd like to see more than that because these guys really deserve our 747 00:22:57,860 --> 00:22:58,860 support as well. 748 00:22:58,860 --> 00:23:04,180 By calling up and supporting the radio station, you're supporting these ideas as well. 749 00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:06,180 The mischief, the cleverness, the individuality. 750 00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:12,140 How did you guys get involved in this in the first place? 751 00:23:12,140 --> 00:23:20,780 It was actually in November 99 when we couldn't make it to Seattle, and we wanted to do something 752 00:23:20,780 --> 00:23:24,540 about the WTO, and 30,000 activists were making it. 753 00:23:24,540 --> 00:23:27,740 We couldn't make it, so we set up a fake website. 754 00:23:28,620 --> 00:23:32,940 It was just the beginning of people setting up fake websites, and we thought we'd try 755 00:23:32,940 --> 00:23:39,140 our hand at it, and when we started to get email intended for the WTO about trade matters 756 00:23:39,140 --> 00:23:43,500 and so on, we started realizing how fun it was to be the WTO. 757 00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:45,820 By the way, we have five calls on the line now. 758 00:23:45,820 --> 00:23:46,820 212-209-2950. 759 00:23:46,820 --> 00:23:48,380 Words getting out. 760 00:23:48,380 --> 00:23:54,380 Again, the fake New York Post, fake New York Times are yours, autographed, pledge of $75. 761 00:23:54,380 --> 00:23:59,180 All of that plus the book and the comic book, and everybody gets a 2600 t-shirt, or actually 762 00:23:59,180 --> 00:24:00,180 an off-the-hook t-shirt. 763 00:24:00,180 --> 00:24:04,220 212-209-2950, the latter for a pledge of $125. 764 00:24:04,220 --> 00:24:07,900 The people in Talley know all this, so ask them any question you want, and they'll be 765 00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:08,900 happy to answer. 766 00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:09,900 212-209-2950. 767 00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:10,900 Yes, go ahead, Bernie. 768 00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:11,900 I'm sorry. 769 00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:12,900 I just wanted to ask. 770 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:13,900 Hi, Andy and Mike. 771 00:24:13,900 --> 00:24:17,300 I've enjoyed looking at your work for years. 772 00:24:17,300 --> 00:24:26,860 I just wanted to express my gratitude for...all your stunts have a really important social-political 773 00:24:26,860 --> 00:24:34,500 message behind them, and that's what's really...just pulling stunts and funny things is one thing, 774 00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:42,060 but every one of yours seems to have a really, really important social message behind it, 775 00:24:42,060 --> 00:24:45,660 like you were saying when you went to Calgary, Alberta. 776 00:24:45,660 --> 00:24:46,660 What was that? 777 00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:48,660 That's right, yes. 778 00:24:48,660 --> 00:24:56,780 And you're posing as Exxon Mobil and National Petroleum Council in front of all these oil 779 00:24:56,780 --> 00:25:01,700 men at this big oil conference, and you're handing out these candles, and you have them 780 00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:02,700 all light them. 781 00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:09,460 What were the expressions on these oil industry representatives' faces when it dawned on them 782 00:25:09,620 --> 00:25:17,580 they were holding burning human flesh in their hands as they're caused by a climate change 783 00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:18,580 victim? 784 00:25:18,580 --> 00:25:22,820 Well, if you come see the movie, you'll see a bunch of those expressions. 785 00:25:22,820 --> 00:25:27,180 It's playing at the Film Forum in New York right now, and on October 23rd, it opens at 786 00:25:27,180 --> 00:25:33,700 a number of cities across the country, DC, Boston, San Francisco is the 30th of October, 787 00:25:33,700 --> 00:25:34,780 and it rolls out from there. 788 00:25:34,780 --> 00:25:37,980 You can see the dates on the YesMenFixTheWorld.com. 789 00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:43,260 But they did, I mean, you know, they're priceless expressions. 790 00:25:43,260 --> 00:25:45,860 Some of them are frustrated. 791 00:25:45,860 --> 00:25:49,620 A few people just immediately blow out their candle because they don't know what, you can't 792 00:25:49,620 --> 00:25:50,620 really set it down. 793 00:25:50,620 --> 00:25:54,540 It's not like a candle with a base where that will stand when you set it down, so they kind 794 00:25:54,540 --> 00:25:57,180 of didn't know what to do with it. 795 00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:58,820 You know, they scrunch up their nose. 796 00:25:58,820 --> 00:26:03,700 They notice finally that the smell is really bad. 797 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:05,700 You know, it varied. 798 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:10,180 A few of them actually did sort of start to laugh, like they just, you know, clearly. 799 00:26:10,180 --> 00:26:11,500 Nervous laughter, maybe. 800 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:12,500 Some nervous laughter. 801 00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:14,380 There was at least one guy who clearly didn't believe it. 802 00:26:14,380 --> 00:26:17,260 He was shrugging and waving his hands around, and you know. 803 00:26:17,260 --> 00:26:21,140 Well, this reminds me of the scene from your first film where you, the kids in Plattsburgh, 804 00:26:21,140 --> 00:26:25,900 where you handed out hamburgers to everybody and gave a talk, and then started to pretty 805 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:30,860 much imply that they were eating recycled matter straight from the sewer or something 806 00:26:30,860 --> 00:26:32,220 like that. 807 00:26:32,220 --> 00:26:37,540 How did that go over after, where you run out of town on a rail when you started suggesting 808 00:26:37,540 --> 00:26:38,540 that? 809 00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:43,780 I saw the expressions on their faces, and just incredulity, you know, sums it up, I 810 00:26:43,780 --> 00:26:44,780 think. 811 00:26:44,780 --> 00:26:45,780 Yeah. 812 00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:46,780 They were angry. 813 00:26:46,780 --> 00:26:47,780 Yeah. 814 00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:48,780 But now, what was the statement there? 815 00:26:48,780 --> 00:26:49,780 What were you trying to say to these people? 816 00:26:49,780 --> 00:26:54,300 Well, there we were trying to say that the policies of letting the market do whatever 817 00:26:54,300 --> 00:27:01,900 it wants will amount to having the third world eat that substance I'm not supposed to say 818 00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:03,580 on the radio. 819 00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:04,580 Right. 820 00:27:04,580 --> 00:27:05,580 Excrement. 821 00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:06,580 Yeah. 822 00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:07,580 You say that. 823 00:27:07,580 --> 00:27:08,580 Yeah, yeah. 824 00:27:08,580 --> 00:27:10,300 And similarly with Exxon, it was like the result of letting corporations do whatever 825 00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:15,100 they want is basically, well, they'll, you know, Exxon will just turn everybody who dies 826 00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:16,100 into fuel. 827 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:17,100 Why not? 828 00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:19,300 You know, that's the ultimate result. 829 00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:21,140 So we have to be on our guard. 830 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:24,700 So in the case of the kids, though, you basically handed out the hamburgers beforehand, and 831 00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:29,100 they were eating them happily during class, and then as your demonstration continues, 832 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:32,580 they start to realize that, hey, we're eating excrement. 833 00:27:32,580 --> 00:27:35,660 And how many people actually believed it in reality? 834 00:27:35,660 --> 00:27:37,060 More than half? 835 00:27:37,060 --> 00:27:38,060 About half. 836 00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:39,060 I mean, I think about half. 837 00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:43,220 I mean, you know, there were some people, of course, who didn't eat the burger, the 838 00:27:43,220 --> 00:27:45,300 special burger, the prototype. 839 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:47,740 But a lot of people, this was, you know, it was like free food. 840 00:27:47,740 --> 00:27:51,580 They'd eaten four or five by the time they heard, you know, heard the announcements. 841 00:27:51,580 --> 00:27:56,420 And what was the most violent reaction you got from somebody? 842 00:27:56,420 --> 00:27:57,420 Threats of lawsuits, perhaps? 843 00:27:57,740 --> 00:28:00,460 A quarter of the audience threw the hamburger wrapper. 844 00:28:00,460 --> 00:28:02,940 Oh, not at that particular one, just in general. 845 00:28:02,940 --> 00:28:05,820 Well, no, at that particular one, but we can get into general as well. 846 00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:08,260 I'm sure you get a lot of lawsuit threats. 847 00:28:08,260 --> 00:28:09,260 Yeah. 848 00:28:09,260 --> 00:28:11,940 No, just thrown hamburger wrappers, really. 849 00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:13,420 Not thrown hamburgers themselves? 850 00:28:13,420 --> 00:28:14,420 No. 851 00:28:14,420 --> 00:28:15,420 Strangely enough. 852 00:28:15,420 --> 00:28:16,420 Interesting. 853 00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:17,420 I think by then they had eaten them. 854 00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:18,420 Marfed them. 855 00:28:18,420 --> 00:28:19,420 Yeah. 856 00:28:19,420 --> 00:28:20,420 Wow. 857 00:28:20,420 --> 00:28:21,420 Okay. 858 00:28:21,420 --> 00:28:22,420 So now, as far as other threats that you guys get, you must get lawsuit threats by 859 00:28:22,420 --> 00:28:23,420 the day. 860 00:28:23,420 --> 00:28:24,420 Well, no. 861 00:28:24,420 --> 00:28:25,420 No? 862 00:28:25,420 --> 00:28:26,420 Hour? 863 00:28:26,420 --> 00:28:27,420 Yeah. 864 00:28:27,420 --> 00:28:28,420 Yeah. 865 00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:29,420 But they never go beyond that, unfortunately. 866 00:28:29,420 --> 00:28:30,420 Yeah. 867 00:28:30,420 --> 00:28:31,420 Isn't that something? 868 00:28:31,420 --> 00:28:32,940 You get a lot of threats, but the actual lawsuits are fairly few and far between. 869 00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:33,940 But many threats. 870 00:28:33,940 --> 00:28:34,940 Yeah. 871 00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:35,940 We're sad. 872 00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:36,940 We're trying. 873 00:28:36,940 --> 00:28:37,940 You are trying. 874 00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:38,940 We're trying to get a real lawsuit. 875 00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:39,940 Got to give you credit. 876 00:28:39,940 --> 00:28:40,940 You're trying. 877 00:28:40,940 --> 00:28:43,100 We were involved in a lawsuit with Exxon, except we were the ones suing them. 878 00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:44,100 Oh. 879 00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:45,100 That's another way to approach it. 880 00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:46,100 Yeah. 881 00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:47,100 It's a sure way to get into a lawsuit. 882 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:48,900 Well, tell us about the New York Times now. 883 00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:50,380 That was a year ago. 884 00:28:50,380 --> 00:28:53,060 And I imagine that's a much bigger project than the New York Post. 885 00:28:53,060 --> 00:28:54,060 How much time did it take? 886 00:28:54,060 --> 00:28:55,060 And you hadn't done it before. 887 00:28:55,060 --> 00:28:56,060 That's right. 888 00:28:56,700 --> 00:29:00,500 So we didn't know what we were getting into, and it took us six months. 889 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:05,740 And it was a bit of a risk, because it was six months until the election, and we just 890 00:29:05,740 --> 00:29:08,340 banked on Obama winning. 891 00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:14,700 And the goal of it was really to say, it isn't enough to elect Obama. 892 00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:19,420 We actually have to get on our feet, take to the streets, and force him to be who we 893 00:29:19,420 --> 00:29:20,900 elected him to be. 894 00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:25,100 And if he isn't, if he doesn't end up being who we elected him to be, it's only our fault, 895 00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:26,540 and we have only ourselves to blame. 896 00:29:26,540 --> 00:29:28,540 That was the whole goal of the project. 897 00:29:28,540 --> 00:29:33,620 So it was published a week after the election, 100,000 copies, or 1.2 million, depending 898 00:29:33,620 --> 00:29:35,420 on who you believe. 899 00:29:35,420 --> 00:29:41,820 And it was set six months in the future, with all the great stuff that could happen now 900 00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:43,420 that Obama was elected. 901 00:29:43,420 --> 00:29:45,260 And what was the headline? 902 00:29:45,260 --> 00:29:46,260 Iraq War Ends. 903 00:29:46,260 --> 00:29:47,260 Ah. 904 00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:48,260 Yeah. 905 00:29:48,260 --> 00:29:49,260 It didn't happen, did it? 906 00:29:49,260 --> 00:29:50,260 It didn't happen. 907 00:29:50,260 --> 00:29:51,260 Uh-huh. 908 00:29:51,260 --> 00:29:52,260 No. 909 00:29:52,260 --> 00:29:53,260 And how many pages was the Times? 910 00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:54,260 I don't remember. 911 00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:55,420 More than one section, or? 912 00:29:56,420 --> 00:29:59,420 It was all the sections, but they were short. 913 00:29:59,420 --> 00:30:00,420 Okay. 914 00:30:00,420 --> 00:30:01,420 All right. 915 00:30:01,420 --> 00:30:03,420 And you handed that out in the, I mean, a free New York Times is a big deal. 916 00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:05,420 How did you pull that one off? 917 00:30:05,420 --> 00:30:11,580 Yeah, that, everybody was thrilled, and it was a really different kind of reaction from 918 00:30:11,580 --> 00:30:14,020 when they received the worst screwed New York Post. 919 00:30:14,020 --> 00:30:15,020 Right. 920 00:30:15,020 --> 00:30:20,900 They were just, you know, a lot of double takes, and a lot of happiness, obviously. 921 00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:25,180 So now every single article in there, every single advertisement, editorial, it all has 922 00:30:25,180 --> 00:30:28,380 to do with what could happen in six months. 923 00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:29,380 Yep. 924 00:30:29,380 --> 00:30:30,380 And wow. 925 00:30:30,380 --> 00:30:31,380 Yep. 926 00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:36,980 And every article is also about how it happened, which was that people took to the streets 927 00:30:36,980 --> 00:30:43,620 and forced, or enabled our politicians to be who we'd elected them to be. 928 00:30:43,620 --> 00:30:47,020 I think a very good example of that is actually what just happened right now with the whole 929 00:30:47,020 --> 00:30:48,860 gay rights thing. 930 00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:53,260 A lot of people were upset that Obama wasn't doing as much as he maybe promised to do, 931 00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:57,140 and people were starting to give him trouble about it. 932 00:30:57,140 --> 00:31:03,140 And before you know it, now he's coming out and making a speech about how he's going to, 933 00:31:03,140 --> 00:31:05,580 for instance, make the change in the policy in the U.S. military. 934 00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:07,060 Repeal, don't ask, don't tell. 935 00:31:07,060 --> 00:31:08,060 Yeah. 936 00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:10,820 Originally, people weren't sure if he was ever going to do that within this term at 937 00:31:10,820 --> 00:31:11,820 all. 938 00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:12,820 They thought maybe, you know, maybe he would. 939 00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:16,220 Well, I mean, I think you guys touched on a very good point that it's up to us to put 940 00:31:16,220 --> 00:31:17,620 the pressure on. 941 00:31:17,620 --> 00:31:21,540 And we can't just sit back and complain and say that things aren't getting done if we 942 00:31:21,540 --> 00:31:22,540 don't speak up loudly. 943 00:31:22,540 --> 00:31:27,220 I mean, the other side, the Tea Party people are doing that all the time. 944 00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:28,620 They're standing up, screaming, shouting. 945 00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:31,700 No matter how many people are actually on their side, they're making it seem like there's 946 00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:33,100 a whole lot. 947 00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:36,300 And I don't think people on this side do that nearly enough. 948 00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:37,980 That's part of the problem. 949 00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:38,980 Yeah. 950 00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:43,420 We put too much faith in the election of one figure. 951 00:31:43,420 --> 00:31:46,340 But it's never been that that's created change. 952 00:31:46,340 --> 00:31:47,340 Right. 953 00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:53,500 If you look at the New Deal, even in the 30s after the last Great Depression, it was people 954 00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:59,020 taking to the streets that enabled Roosevelt or forced him to actually enact the stuff 955 00:31:59,020 --> 00:32:00,300 that we now take for granted. 956 00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:06,660 If you look at the falling of the Eastern Bloc, the Iron Curtain, it's because of people 957 00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:07,660 going into the streets. 958 00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:08,660 Yeah. 959 00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:09,660 It wasn't because of Reagan. 960 00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:10,660 It wasn't because of anything that we said. 961 00:32:10,660 --> 00:32:12,780 It was because of people power. 962 00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:14,300 And that's really what does it all the time. 963 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:15,300 So yeah. 964 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:22,580 Now, as far as that goes, how do people who aren't working for the Post or the Times generally 965 00:32:22,580 --> 00:32:24,940 receive you guys when they hear about what you're doing? 966 00:32:24,940 --> 00:32:28,980 I mean, just people maybe who aren't in the front line that didn't get a copy themselves 967 00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:33,640 that just read about you somewhere, and I assume there is some press coverage. 968 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,060 What kind of reactions do you normally get? 969 00:32:35,060 --> 00:32:36,140 People think you're troublemakers? 970 00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:38,500 People think you're doing a good thing? 971 00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:42,460 In general, there's a lot of happiness about it. 972 00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:47,340 We often give journalists kind of an excuse to write the stories that they wanted to write 973 00:32:47,340 --> 00:32:49,580 but wouldn't pass their editorial muster. 974 00:32:49,580 --> 00:32:56,620 Like in the case of where we represented Dow Chemical on the BBC and claimed that they 975 00:32:56,620 --> 00:33:00,140 were going to clean up the mess in Bhopal, there were a lot of writers who would have 976 00:33:00,140 --> 00:33:04,220 been happy to cover the anniversary, the 20th anniversary of the world's worst industrial 977 00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:09,420 accident, but there was no editorial prerogative to do it because the editors would say, it's 978 00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:10,420 not news. 979 00:33:10,420 --> 00:33:11,420 There's no news hook. 980 00:33:11,420 --> 00:33:13,860 It's just the 20th anniversary of this big industrial disaster. 981 00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:15,580 So what if they haven't cleaned up? 982 00:33:15,580 --> 00:33:19,820 But we gave them a news hook, and as a result, they got to write the story they wanted to. 983 00:33:19,820 --> 00:33:25,380 So a lot of times, journalists are happy about it, and the public gets more informed about 984 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:27,460 an issue and enjoys the story. 985 00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:31,940 There are occasionally people who send us hate mail, but it's very rare. 986 00:33:31,940 --> 00:33:33,100 Not often enough, eh? 987 00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:34,100 Not often enough. 988 00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:35,100 We were looking for it. 989 00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:36,860 Well, now, Bhopal is a very interesting thing. 990 00:33:36,860 --> 00:33:39,500 I'm amazed how many people don't even know what Bhopal is. 991 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:40,500 It's incredible. 992 00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:42,660 But there are people looking it up right now. 993 00:33:42,660 --> 00:33:44,220 It's spelled B-H-O-P-A-L, people. 994 00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:45,860 So look it up on Google, and you'll find out. 995 00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:46,860 Horrible. 996 00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:47,860 How many people died from that? 997 00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:48,860 Well, at least 20,000. 998 00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:53,820 20,000 people died from this chemical leak, is what it was, from Dow Chemical. 999 00:33:53,820 --> 00:34:01,020 Now you guys were able to get on BBC, BBC television, as representatives of Dow or as 1000 00:34:01,020 --> 00:34:02,900 a representative of Dow. 1001 00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:03,900 And first of all- 1002 00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:04,900 Union Carbide, I think? 1003 00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:05,900 Was it Union Carbide? 1004 00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:06,900 Yeah. 1005 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:07,900 It was Union Carbide. 1006 00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:08,900 They're owned by Dow, though, right? 1007 00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:10,300 Yeah. 1008 00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:11,300 So it was Union Carbide. 1009 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:12,300 Yeah. 1010 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:16,060 And basically, how in the world did you get past the people at BBC that allegedly check 1011 00:34:16,060 --> 00:34:17,220 these things? 1012 00:34:17,220 --> 00:34:19,700 And once you got on, what was it you said? 1013 00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:23,580 Well, in that case, it was just a website. 1014 00:34:23,580 --> 00:34:29,180 We just had a fake Dow website that actually, two years before, we had registered. 1015 00:34:29,180 --> 00:34:32,740 Somebody had suggested, why don't you do something about Dow and Bhopal and try to hold them 1016 00:34:32,740 --> 00:34:33,860 accountable? 1017 00:34:33,860 --> 00:34:41,260 So we registered this domain, dow-chemical.com, I think it was, and sent out a press release 1018 00:34:41,260 --> 00:34:45,580 on behalf of Dow saying, we will never take responsibility because Bhopalis will never 1019 00:34:45,580 --> 00:34:46,580 be shareholders. 1020 00:34:46,580 --> 00:34:47,580 So why would we? 1021 00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:52,020 It was just this really blatant, kind of monstrous statement that reflects accurately what they're 1022 00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:53,020 about. 1023 00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:57,740 And a little bit of press came out of it, just enough to get it ranked in Google. 1024 00:34:57,740 --> 00:35:04,180 So then, when people would search on Dow, they would stumble on this website sometimes, 1025 00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:06,340 and including the BBC. 1026 00:35:06,340 --> 00:35:07,340 That's what happened to the BBC. 1027 00:35:07,340 --> 00:35:13,220 A researcher was looking for Dow to make a statement on the 20th anniversary, stumbled 1028 00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:14,220 on our website. 1029 00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:16,740 Are you saying BBC contacted you? 1030 00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:17,740 You didn't even try to. 1031 00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:19,300 The BBC came to you. 1032 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:20,300 Sweet. 1033 00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:21,300 Oh my god. 1034 00:35:21,300 --> 00:35:22,300 OK. 1035 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:24,780 So what was the next step? 1036 00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:27,100 You couldn't believe they contacted you, obviously. 1037 00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:28,460 It was a plot. 1038 00:35:28,460 --> 00:35:31,180 Did it take very long to figure out how you were going to approach this? 1039 00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:34,020 Yeah, it took us a couple of days. 1040 00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:38,460 We only had a week totaled, so we had to figure it out pretty quickly. 1041 00:35:38,460 --> 00:35:44,260 And the goal was really to get press and to get a lot of articles written about the catastrophe 1042 00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:47,940 in Dow and their responsibility and the activist demands. 1043 00:35:47,940 --> 00:35:53,980 And so we decided to do the right thing on behalf of Dow, so they would have to respond. 1044 00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:59,100 And we knew that it would make more of a splash than if we, say, did another thing like, 1045 00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:01,700 Bo Polly's will never be shareholders. 1046 00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:05,100 How do you decide which of you is going to go on? 1047 00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:06,380 Usually it's just Andy. 1048 00:36:06,380 --> 00:36:08,660 We just decide that, and it works out. 1049 00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:13,660 Sometimes if there's a lot of improvisation and dealing with the crowd and dealing with 1050 00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:16,220 people, then I do it, and I play a role. 1051 00:36:16,220 --> 00:36:17,580 But often it's Andy. 1052 00:36:17,580 --> 00:36:24,820 Andy's better at doing the speaking parts, unless it involves kind of mustering a crowd 1053 00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:29,340 or kind of getting this sort of improvisational thing going. 1054 00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:30,620 And looking sort of corporate, too. 1055 00:36:30,620 --> 00:36:31,620 Oh, yeah. 1056 00:36:31,620 --> 00:36:32,620 You can pull that off. 1057 00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:33,620 We're both. 1058 00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:34,620 Yeah, we're pretty active. 1059 00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:35,620 Okay, so you walk into BBC. 1060 00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:36,620 First of all, where do they do this? 1061 00:36:36,620 --> 00:36:40,540 Well, I was living in Paris at the time, and he was living in Scotland. 1062 00:36:40,540 --> 00:36:44,060 So instead of going to London, which would have been kind of scary. 1063 00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:46,060 They might have flown you over there on their dime. 1064 00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:47,060 Yeah. 1065 00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:50,060 It would have been scary, I suppose. 1066 00:36:50,060 --> 00:36:52,060 Yeah, even scarier. 1067 00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:55,060 No, we decided to ask to do it in Paris. 1068 00:36:55,060 --> 00:37:00,060 We said that the Dow rep happened to be in Paris at the moment, and he was the one who 1069 00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:01,060 knew everything about Bo Polly. 1070 00:37:01,060 --> 00:37:02,060 That sounds so believable, though. 1071 00:37:02,060 --> 00:37:03,060 Yeah, so believable. 1072 00:37:03,060 --> 00:37:04,060 Yeah, that happens to be in Paris. 1073 00:37:04,060 --> 00:37:10,060 Okay, so you walk in, and are you talking to somebody over satellite, or are they there 1074 00:37:10,060 --> 00:37:11,060 in the studio? 1075 00:37:12,060 --> 00:37:14,060 It turns out there was one person at the studio. 1076 00:37:14,060 --> 00:37:16,060 Actually, when we knocked, there was not even one. 1077 00:37:16,060 --> 00:37:17,060 There was the cleaning lady. 1078 00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:18,060 Awesome. 1079 00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:22,060 And then the one person arrived, and she was in charge of everything. 1080 00:37:22,060 --> 00:37:27,060 I mean, the great irony of this all is that the BBC, even though they have this huge mandate 1081 00:37:27,060 --> 00:37:33,060 to cover tons of material all over the world, they really kind of are operating on a shoestring 1082 00:37:33,060 --> 00:37:37,060 budget compared to the way it used to be because they've really been defunded since the Thatcher 1083 00:37:37,060 --> 00:37:38,060 era. 1084 00:37:38,060 --> 00:37:42,060 So they still have this massive operation that they have to maintain, but they have 1085 00:37:42,060 --> 00:37:44,060 about half the staff to do it. 1086 00:37:44,060 --> 00:37:47,060 So a bureau like Paris turns out that it's on autopilot. 1087 00:37:47,060 --> 00:37:49,060 There was nobody there. 1088 00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:54,060 We walk through the door, and this woman sits us down in one room that's smaller than this 1089 00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:58,060 radio studio that's the TV studio in front of a green screen on which they've keyed the 1090 00:37:58,060 --> 00:38:01,060 Eiffel Tower so that we know that we're in Paris. 1091 00:38:01,060 --> 00:38:05,060 Then she leaves the room, and she says, okay, put the earpiece in. 1092 00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:09,060 Okay, it'll be a few minutes, and then we're just sitting there alone in a room waiting 1093 00:38:09,060 --> 00:38:13,060 to go live, global, to 350 million people according to them. 1094 00:38:13,060 --> 00:38:17,060 And some little voices coming into your earpiece asking you questions. 1095 00:38:17,060 --> 00:38:19,060 And what kind of questions were it? 1096 00:38:19,060 --> 00:38:21,060 How did you know what the questions were going to be? 1097 00:38:21,060 --> 00:38:24,060 Were you prepared to answer almost anything? 1098 00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:25,060 Yeah. 1099 00:38:25,060 --> 00:38:29,060 I mean, I just did the standard PR trick, which is come up with five answers that you 1100 00:38:29,060 --> 00:38:31,060 definitely want to give. 1101 00:38:31,060 --> 00:38:34,060 And then no matter what they ask, you give one of those five answers. 1102 00:38:34,060 --> 00:38:36,060 So let me imagine I'm the BBC person. 1103 00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:43,060 I would ask, well, on this 20th anniversary of Bhopal, what is Dow slash Union Carbide 1104 00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:46,060 thinking of doing to remember this event? 1105 00:38:46,060 --> 00:38:49,060 Well, Emmanuel, I'm glad you asked. 1106 00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:55,060 It's a great moment for all of us at Dow and a great moment for everyone around the world 1107 00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:59,060 because we're going to do the right thing, something like that. 1108 00:38:59,060 --> 00:39:03,060 So you have a very upbeat way of looking at a horrible tragedy like that. 1109 00:39:04,060 --> 00:39:07,060 Or about doing something about the horrible tragedy. 1110 00:39:07,060 --> 00:39:08,060 Right, right. 1111 00:39:08,060 --> 00:39:10,060 I'm very shamefaced, kind of like, yeah. 1112 00:39:10,060 --> 00:39:15,060 Well, as soon as I made the announcement, the guy whose name was Steve said, 1113 00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:17,060 well, it's a bit late, isn't it? 1114 00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:21,060 You should have done this three years ago when you bought Union Carbide in the first place. 1115 00:39:21,060 --> 00:39:22,060 And I said, well, yeah. 1116 00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:24,060 Sorry. 1117 00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:28,060 At any point, did it seem like he was catching on that you weren't really representative of Union Carbide? 1118 00:39:28,060 --> 00:39:29,060 Oh, no. 1119 00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:30,060 No, no. 1120 00:39:30,060 --> 00:39:31,060 It just kept going. 1121 00:39:31,060 --> 00:39:34,060 It was the truth for an hour after we left. 1122 00:39:34,060 --> 00:39:37,060 Nobody caught on for an hour. 1123 00:39:37,060 --> 00:39:42,060 Yeah, and the stock price lost $2 billion, a little over $2 billion during that hour 1124 00:39:42,060 --> 00:39:48,060 because the world believed that Dow was actually planning to compensate the victims 1125 00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:51,060 and clean up the plant site and was going to spend $12 billion doing it. 1126 00:39:51,060 --> 00:39:53,060 That was the announcement, the core of the announcement. 1127 00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:55,060 So the stock immediately tanked. 1128 00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:58,060 They got basically punished for doing the right thing. 1129 00:39:58,060 --> 00:39:59,060 Wow. 1130 00:39:59,060 --> 00:40:02,060 You guys actually made a stock plummet $2 billion. 1131 00:40:02,060 --> 00:40:04,060 I don't think I've ever met anybody that's done anything like that. 1132 00:40:04,060 --> 00:40:06,060 A couple of million was my previous record. 1133 00:40:06,060 --> 00:40:10,060 But, wow, that is so worthy of respect. 1134 00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:13,060 And, you know, it's a good way to get our callers to show their respect. 1135 00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:15,060 There's two people on the line right now. 1136 00:40:15,060 --> 00:40:18,060 Please continue to call us, 212-209-2950. 1137 00:40:18,060 --> 00:40:23,060 Support these guys by voicing your support for WBAI. 1138 00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:28,060 We're offering their ingenious fake newspapers of The New York Times and The New York Post, 1139 00:40:28,060 --> 00:40:31,060 two copies of each you'll get autographed for a pledge of $75 1140 00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:35,060 plus the off-the-hook t-shirt, 212-209-2950. 1141 00:40:35,060 --> 00:40:38,060 If you want to be a little more generous and pledge $125, 1142 00:40:38,060 --> 00:40:43,060 you'll get all of that plus the Yes Men comic book and the Yes Men book. 1143 00:40:43,060 --> 00:40:45,060 Is there a better title than the Yes Men book? 1144 00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:46,060 No. 1145 00:40:46,060 --> 00:40:48,060 That's a great title. 1146 00:40:48,060 --> 00:40:52,060 And all of that's autographed, so you'll really be able to forge their names no matter where you go, 1147 00:40:52,060 --> 00:40:54,060 if anybody wants to do that to you. 1148 00:40:54,060 --> 00:40:59,060 212-209-2950, Rob T. Firefly, you have something in your hand. 1149 00:40:59,060 --> 00:41:00,060 Yes, indeed. 1150 00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:06,060 I have a note that lets us know that we should extend our sincere thanks to SG from Chicago. 1151 00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:09,060 Okay, thank you, SG from Chicago, for whatever it is you've done. 1152 00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:11,060 Thank you very much. 1153 00:41:11,060 --> 00:41:17,060 Also, I've been asked to tell people or ask people if they want to volunteer to come to the radio station and answer phones, 1154 00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:20,060 all they have to do is call the number that I gave out, 212-209-2950. 1155 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:27,060 I'll give you information and just come to 120 Wall Street and bring photo IDs so you can get in and help us out, get involved. 1156 00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:29,060 Yes, go ahead, Bernie, 212-209-2950. 1157 00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:31,060 We have four calls online. 1158 00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:38,060 I love how the Yes Men, Andy and Mike, sort of do this moral judo against major corporations 1159 00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:45,060 and pose as their representatives and say they're going to do these wonderful things to make everything right, 1160 00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:49,060 that they've done wrong to all the people around the world. 1161 00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:55,060 And then it leaves these major corporations in a bind of having to deny that they're going to do the right thing. 1162 00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:58,060 No, we're not going to clean this up, after all. 1163 00:41:58,060 --> 00:42:01,060 It just really makes them very embarrassed. 1164 00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:03,060 I love what you guys do. 1165 00:42:03,060 --> 00:42:05,060 You guys are my social engineering idols. 1166 00:42:05,060 --> 00:42:07,060 It's fantastic. 1167 00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:13,060 This new movie you've just come out has been winning awards, and it's the Yes Men Fix the World, is that right? 1168 00:42:13,060 --> 00:42:15,060 That's correct. 1169 00:42:16,060 --> 00:42:20,060 I'm not sure if it's playing in Philadelphia, but I've got to check this out because I enjoyed your last one very much. 1170 00:42:20,060 --> 00:42:22,060 It's playing at the Film Forum here in New York, right? 1171 00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:24,060 That's right. It's playing right now. 1172 00:42:24,060 --> 00:42:25,060 Is it playing tonight? 1173 00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:26,060 It's playing tonight. Yeah, come see it. 1174 00:42:26,060 --> 00:42:27,060 What's the last show time? 1175 00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:28,060 Ten o'clock. 1176 00:42:28,060 --> 00:42:29,060 Ten o'clock. 1177 00:42:29,060 --> 00:42:31,060 Eight o'clock and ten o'clock, but come to the ten o'clock one. 1178 00:42:31,060 --> 00:42:34,060 We could say hi, actually, before the screening. 1179 00:42:34,060 --> 00:42:35,060 Oh, great. 1180 00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:38,060 Bernie, catch a train up and you can make it. 1181 00:42:38,060 --> 00:42:40,060 Well, that or I'll try to catch it here in Philly. 1182 00:42:41,060 --> 00:42:46,060 Check out the yesmenfixtheworld.com and look for the screening times. 1183 00:42:46,060 --> 00:42:48,060 There's something in Philly, for sure. 1184 00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:50,060 All throughout the country, all throughout the world, hopefully, it's opening up. 1185 00:42:50,060 --> 00:42:52,060 Is there any other city it's playing in right now? 1186 00:42:52,060 --> 00:43:02,060 Right now, no, but October 23rd, that Friday next week, it opens in D.C. and Boston, and then shortly thereafter, Chicago, San Francisco, L.A., you name it. 1187 00:43:02,060 --> 00:43:06,060 Okay, and if people want to go see matinee shows, I understand that's particularly good, right? 1188 00:43:06,060 --> 00:43:12,060 Oh, yeah, because if you have a huge group, you can even right now get a special deal at Film Forum. 1189 00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:19,060 So if you're in a school group, for example, get your class to go, half-price tickets if you have a group of 12 or more people. 1190 00:43:19,060 --> 00:43:20,060 There's so many ways to show support. 1191 00:43:20,060 --> 00:43:35,060 This is definitely one way, and I intend to do that as well, just showing up at the theater, bringing a large group of people, getting people enthusiastic about things like this because there's nothing more healthy than this kind of dissent, this kind of clever, upbeat dissent that really gets people thinking. 1192 00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:42,060 Well, Bernie mentioned something interesting before where Union Carbide was forced to say that they're not going to compensate people. 1193 00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:43,060 How do they do that? 1194 00:43:43,060 --> 00:43:48,060 How do they possibly go up and say, we're not going to do the right thing here? 1195 00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:51,060 How does WTO say, yeah, we're not really going to fold. 1196 00:43:51,060 --> 00:43:55,060 We're going to keep doing the things we're doing even though everyone agrees they're wrong. 1197 00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:57,060 How do they do that and get away with it? 1198 00:43:57,060 --> 00:44:01,060 Well, they do it very disappointingly briefly. 1199 00:44:02,060 --> 00:44:13,060 When we announced that Dow was doing the right thing after all these years, Dow got on the line with the BBC and said in this monotone, Dow has no responsibility for our boat ball. 1200 00:44:13,060 --> 00:44:16,060 And we were a bit disappointed after all the effort we'd put into it. 1201 00:44:16,060 --> 00:44:22,060 So we wrote a press release on behalf of Dow about everything they weren't going to do. 1202 00:44:22,060 --> 00:44:26,060 They were not going to compensate the survivors nor clean up the site. 1203 00:44:26,060 --> 00:44:27,060 Don't worry. 1204 00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:29,060 The stock isn't going to be affected anymore. 1205 00:44:29,060 --> 00:44:33,060 And on and on and blasted that out to thousands of journalists and others. 1206 00:44:33,060 --> 00:44:38,060 And to this day, a lot of people think that we actually got Dow to react in that way. 1207 00:44:38,060 --> 00:44:40,060 It's not quite true. 1208 00:44:40,060 --> 00:44:42,060 Well, you did get them to react in some way. 1209 00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:43,060 Yeah. 1210 00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:47,060 And you also brought the story to the people when it wasn't being brought to them in any other way. 1211 00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:48,060 Exactly. 1212 00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:50,060 There were like 600 articles in the US press about Bhopal. 1213 00:44:50,060 --> 00:44:55,060 And that was really the goal of it was to associate the names Dow and Bhopal. 1214 00:44:56,060 --> 00:45:00,060 Because Dow had just bought Union Carbide and all of their assets. 1215 00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:02,060 And they weren't accepting this liability. 1216 00:45:02,060 --> 00:45:03,060 Emmanuel. 1217 00:45:03,060 --> 00:45:04,060 Go ahead, Bernie. 1218 00:45:04,060 --> 00:45:08,060 There's an amazing collection of premiums tonight. 1219 00:45:08,060 --> 00:45:10,060 I just want to mention them again to our listeners. 1220 00:45:10,060 --> 00:45:16,060 For all the Yes Man fans out there, this is like the ultimate collection of Yes Man swag. 1221 00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:23,060 Again, four of their amazing, four copies of their amazing fake news newspapers. 1222 00:45:23,060 --> 00:45:25,060 Two of the fake New York Times. 1223 00:45:25,060 --> 00:45:27,060 Two of the fake Daily News with all the… 1224 00:45:27,060 --> 00:45:28,060 New York Post. New York Post. 1225 00:45:28,060 --> 00:45:29,060 New York Post, I'm sorry. 1226 00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:30,060 Daily News is next, right? 1227 00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:32,060 If I was working for the Daily News, I'd be very worried now. 1228 00:45:32,060 --> 00:45:33,060 That's next. 1229 00:45:33,060 --> 00:45:34,060 That's next, yeah. 1230 00:45:34,060 --> 00:45:36,060 How about a fake Village Voice? 1231 00:45:36,060 --> 00:45:37,060 Yeah. 1232 00:45:37,060 --> 00:45:39,060 Or a fake Time Out New York or something like that. 1233 00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:41,060 You're getting a pair of these newspapers for yourself. 1234 00:45:41,060 --> 00:45:45,060 And you can also give the other two as a gift to somebody, maybe for the holidays, whatever. 1235 00:45:45,060 --> 00:45:46,060 That's right. It's a perfect gift. 1236 00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:48,060 And these are autographed by the Yes Men. 1237 00:45:48,060 --> 00:45:49,060 This is a priceless thing. 1238 00:45:49,060 --> 00:45:53,060 An off-the-hook t-shirt, all of that for a $75 pledge. 1239 00:45:53,060 --> 00:46:02,060 And on top of that, if you pledge $125 or more, you get the Yes Man book and the Yes Man comic book, 1240 00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:07,060 which is sort of a plot for one of the movies that didn't happen. 1241 00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:08,060 Is that right? 1242 00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:09,060 Yep. 1243 00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:10,060 Well, this movie. 1244 00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:11,060 Plus the off-the-hook t-shirt. 1245 00:46:11,060 --> 00:46:17,060 Plus the two New York Times and the two New York Posts, all autographed by these guys. 1246 00:46:17,060 --> 00:46:18,060 This is an amazing package. 1247 00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:21,060 But you have to call in the next 15 minutes or it's gone. 1248 00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:23,060 212-209-2950. 1249 00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:25,060 Join the people who have called in already. 1250 00:46:25,060 --> 00:46:30,060 We're making this available only during this hour, and then it's never available on these airwaves again. 1251 00:46:30,060 --> 00:46:32,060 212-209-2950. Go ahead. 1252 00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:38,060 And while we're talking about pledges, we have a couple more shout-outs here for some great people who have actually donated. 1253 00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:39,060 Okay. Let's hear. 1254 00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:42,060 We have Rana from New York. 1255 00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:44,060 We have Michael from Chicago. 1256 00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:48,060 And we want to thank Dean, who's from Highland Park in New Jersey. 1257 00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:51,060 And we want to thank all the anonymous people as well. 1258 00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:54,060 And we would also like to thank Will from Nyack, New York. 1259 00:46:54,060 --> 00:46:55,060 Nyack. 1260 00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:56,060 Nyack. 1261 00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:57,060 Yeah. 1262 00:46:57,060 --> 00:46:58,060 Get it right. 1263 00:46:58,060 --> 00:47:00,060 The Knights who say Nyack. 1264 00:47:00,060 --> 00:47:04,060 I'm not sure if this is updated, but I see 575 on the screen. 1265 00:47:04,060 --> 00:47:08,060 We need to be at 1,000 by the end of the hour, so it's going to take a few more people calling in. 1266 00:47:08,060 --> 00:47:11,060 Assuming that we've added everything up. 1267 00:47:11,060 --> 00:47:14,060 So, please, join the people who have called so far. 1268 00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:19,060 Show your support for WBAI, where ideas like this are celebrated, unlike the rest of media. 1269 00:47:19,060 --> 00:47:21,060 212-209-2950. 1270 00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:27,060 I just want to add that as of yesterday, the price on eBay for these newspapers was still $35. 1271 00:47:27,060 --> 00:47:33,060 So, if you pledge, you could get the newspapers, and you could make a profit on your pledge. 1272 00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:35,060 So, I mean, if that's not an incentive. 1273 00:47:35,060 --> 00:47:36,060 If that's your game, yeah. 1274 00:47:37,060 --> 00:47:41,060 You can make a profit and keep WBAI on the air, which in itself is a profit. 1275 00:47:41,060 --> 00:47:42,060 That's the biggest profit of all. 1276 00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:43,060 You really win. 1277 00:47:43,060 --> 00:47:44,060 Everyone wins. 1278 00:47:44,060 --> 00:47:45,060 The capitalism works. 1279 00:47:45,060 --> 00:47:51,060 The biggest threat, the biggest downer to getting these newspapers is that one day you might accidentally throw them out because they look so real. 1280 00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:53,060 And I've done that. 1281 00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:55,060 Have you ever read Not the New York Times? 1282 00:47:55,060 --> 00:47:56,060 I think I might have inspired you guys, in fact. 1283 00:47:56,060 --> 00:47:57,060 You ever see that? 1284 00:47:57,060 --> 00:48:00,060 There was one in the 70s, and there was another one more recently. 1285 00:48:01,060 --> 00:48:08,060 Occasionally, people put out these really clever and realistic-looking newspapers, but the unfortunate part is that they look like real newspapers. 1286 00:48:08,060 --> 00:48:09,060 You treat them as such sometimes. 1287 00:48:09,060 --> 00:48:12,060 How much does it cost to put out a fake newspaper? 1288 00:48:12,060 --> 00:48:13,060 I've got to ask. 1289 00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:14,060 Surprisingly little. 1290 00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:15,060 Really? 1291 00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:20,060 It's like $0.07 a copy for The New York Times and something similar, a little more for The New York Times. 1292 00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:21,060 And what kind of press run? 1293 00:48:21,060 --> 00:48:22,060 That was for $100,000. 1294 00:48:22,060 --> 00:48:25,060 It was like $6,000, $7,000. 1295 00:48:25,060 --> 00:48:26,060 You're kidding. 1296 00:48:26,060 --> 00:48:27,060 That's all? 1297 00:48:27,060 --> 00:48:28,060 Why are they losing money? 1298 00:48:28,060 --> 00:48:29,060 I don't understand this. 1299 00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:30,060 Maybe they don't know our printer. 1300 00:48:30,060 --> 00:48:31,060 We've got a really good one. 1301 00:48:31,060 --> 00:48:32,060 That's odd. 1302 00:48:32,060 --> 00:48:35,060 Maybe $2,600 should come out in newspaper format instead. 1303 00:48:35,060 --> 00:48:37,060 That's 212-209-2950. 1304 00:48:37,060 --> 00:48:39,060 We have three calls on the line. 1305 00:48:39,060 --> 00:48:40,060 Join them. 1306 00:48:40,060 --> 00:48:42,060 I've just got one question for you guys. 1307 00:48:42,060 --> 00:48:49,060 When you go back to things like 1999 and people falling for fake websites and things like that, the Internet was still trying to find itself. 1308 00:48:49,060 --> 00:48:51,060 People weren't quite sure what to do with it yet. 1309 00:48:51,060 --> 00:48:57,060 Are people still falling for the same sort of things, or has the other side sharpened up at all as a result of you guys? 1310 00:48:58,060 --> 00:48:59,060 They probably are. 1311 00:48:59,060 --> 00:49:04,060 Yeah, we occasionally do get invitations to websites that we have lying around. 1312 00:49:04,060 --> 00:49:17,060 But as Mike said, the way we now, if we want to go to a conference, we pose as a public relations agency, call up the conference and say, we've got the world's best speaker. 1313 00:49:17,060 --> 00:49:23,060 We did that, for example, in New Orleans where we posed as a – Mike, actually. 1314 00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:25,060 Maybe I should let him tell. 1315 00:49:25,060 --> 00:49:26,060 That's all right. 1316 00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:28,060 What did we do? 1317 00:49:28,060 --> 00:49:30,060 I called the conference. 1318 00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:43,060 First, I sent them email from about six different email addresses, kind of priming them to want – from, quote, unquote, people in New Orleans who were developers saying that they wanted to speak to Alfonso Jackson. 1319 00:49:43,060 --> 00:49:45,060 Was he going to be at their conference? 1320 00:49:46,060 --> 00:49:59,060 And then at the same time, wrote from another email address as a PR rep and said, hey, I represent Alfonso Jackson, which just seems really weird because he's like a government dude, and so why would a PR person represent him? 1321 00:49:59,060 --> 00:50:08,060 But I kind of explained it a little bit as like a new public-private partnership, and then – which, of course, fit right into what was really happening. 1322 00:50:08,060 --> 00:50:09,060 Yeah, totally. 1323 00:50:09,060 --> 00:50:11,060 So they totally, totally bought it. 1324 00:50:12,060 --> 00:50:17,060 And the weird thing is that then you're stuck with a problem because the conference wants to publicize that. 1325 00:50:17,060 --> 00:50:28,060 They're like, oh, we're going to have Alfonso Jackson, who's the head of HUD, head of a big federal agency that is in a lot of power, and exercising it in New Orleans. 1326 00:50:28,060 --> 00:50:35,060 And so we had to say then that the information was embargoed, and you have to kind of act all secret about it and pretend that – 1327 00:50:35,060 --> 00:50:36,060 Just using that word alone. 1328 00:50:36,060 --> 00:50:37,060 Exactly, the word. 1329 00:50:37,060 --> 00:50:40,060 That's all you have to say, and then they're like, oh, well, OK. 1330 00:50:40,060 --> 00:50:44,060 So you can convince somebody running a conference not to tell people that they have a big guest coming. 1331 00:50:44,060 --> 00:50:45,060 Exactly. 1332 00:50:45,060 --> 00:50:46,060 Well, sort of. 1333 00:50:46,060 --> 00:50:54,060 In our case, they said they wouldn't tell anybody, but they did run off and tell the governor's office and the mayor's office, and so guess who showed up? 1334 00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:55,060 Oh my god. 1335 00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:56,060 Yeah, the governor and the mayor. 1336 00:50:56,060 --> 00:50:59,060 They showed up to rub shoulders with Mr. Alfonso Jackson. 1337 00:50:59,060 --> 00:51:00,060 And did they? 1338 00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:02,060 Did they rub shoulders with you guys instead? 1339 00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:04,060 Instead they had to rub shoulders with Andy. 1340 00:51:04,060 --> 00:51:05,060 Yep. 1341 00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:14,060 So when they become aware that they've been fooled here, they must be not always taking it in good stride there. 1342 00:51:14,060 --> 00:51:15,060 Yeah. 1343 00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:19,060 With the conference organizers, it usually happens well after the conference is over. 1344 00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:29,060 In New Orleans, we were accosted by a reporter who was very feverishly after the truth and knew that we weren't representing the truth. 1345 00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:30,060 A good reporter. 1346 00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:31,060 Yeah, a good reporter. 1347 00:51:31,060 --> 00:51:32,060 Wow. 1348 00:51:33,060 --> 00:51:36,060 He comes in, and you see it in gory detail. 1349 00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:41,060 He savages me for a good 10 minutes, and then finally I break down. 1350 00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:44,060 But then, yeah, he gives you a chance to say why he did it, too. 1351 00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:47,060 I mean, he is really the only reporter, I think, in our movie. 1352 00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:49,060 He's actually doing his job. 1353 00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:53,060 Besides, well, there's Bill Moyers in the beginning, but that's not one of the setup ones. 1354 00:51:53,060 --> 00:51:58,060 I would imagine Bill Moyers would probably be able to figure it out, but one of the few. 1355 00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:06,060 We went on his show, and he actually purposefully made up a joke for us to play a role. 1356 00:52:06,060 --> 00:52:09,060 He pretended to be fooled for fun. 1357 00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:17,060 One of the things that really struck me about the fake newspapers as well as a lot of the other work you guys have done is that it's really well-researched. 1358 00:52:17,060 --> 00:52:25,060 You make up the role, but you don't make up the situation, and the proposed solutions are solutions that might actually work. 1359 00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:29,060 I think for people who pledge and get the newspaper and read it, they'll really see that. 1360 00:52:29,060 --> 00:52:30,060 Yeah. 1361 00:52:30,060 --> 00:52:43,060 Now, you guys have published online Fix the World Challenge, where you basically help people do similar things to what you guys are doing, such as liberate stupid footage. 1362 00:52:43,060 --> 00:52:46,060 Find a piece of embarrassing footage that's not supposed to be public. 1363 00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:54,060 For example, raw footage from a video news release and edit and publicize it in such a way that the full stupidity of the footage comes out. 1364 00:52:54,060 --> 00:53:00,060 Create a ridiculous spectacle celebrating your least favorite corporate entity or entities. 1365 00:53:00,060 --> 00:53:04,060 Document extensively and all kinds of other things, such as crash a fancy event. 1366 00:53:04,060 --> 00:53:06,060 Create a special edition newspaper. 1367 00:53:06,060 --> 00:53:08,060 Engage in job jacking. 1368 00:53:08,060 --> 00:53:09,060 What is job jacking? 1369 00:53:09,060 --> 00:53:15,060 That's where you actually just go into an office place and start working, like sit down in an empty desk. 1370 00:53:15,060 --> 00:53:21,060 You go to work, and you meet your coworkers and tell them, hi, I'm the new guy or whatever. 1371 00:53:21,060 --> 00:53:27,060 If you do enough research, you can flawlessly blend into a work environment. 1372 00:53:27,060 --> 00:53:29,060 Have you actually done this? 1373 00:53:29,060 --> 00:53:31,060 Not really, but we know people who have. 1374 00:53:31,060 --> 00:53:34,060 Especially during the dot-com boom, there were quite a few people. 1375 00:53:34,060 --> 00:53:36,060 How far does that go? 1376 00:53:36,060 --> 00:53:40,060 Well, it can go really far, except for when the paycheck part, I think, is tricky. 1377 00:53:40,060 --> 00:53:44,060 Although, maybe if you ingratiate yourself and you're there long enough, you actually do. 1378 00:53:44,060 --> 00:53:49,060 Well, if you just don't complain about not getting a paycheck, you get invited to all the parties and whatnot. 1379 00:53:50,060 --> 00:53:53,060 Well, you might also just be able to get desk space that way. 1380 00:53:53,060 --> 00:53:59,060 In New York, it's hard to find an office space, and so maybe you can just sort of job jack somebody else's office for a while. 1381 00:53:59,060 --> 00:54:00,060 How about this? 1382 00:54:00,060 --> 00:54:02,060 Correct an identity online. 1383 00:54:02,060 --> 00:54:03,060 What's that? 1384 00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:05,060 That's just setting up a fake website. 1385 00:54:05,060 --> 00:54:06,060 Easy as that. 1386 00:54:06,060 --> 00:54:10,060 It's not what you guys have done with WTO and Union Carbide. 1387 00:54:10,060 --> 00:54:16,060 A fake website that's more honest about the real motives of the corporation than they care to be themselves. 1388 00:54:16,060 --> 00:54:19,060 And do a training at a trade show. 1389 00:54:19,060 --> 00:54:20,060 Yeah. 1390 00:54:20,060 --> 00:54:24,060 Just go to a trade show and teach people something. 1391 00:54:24,060 --> 00:54:28,060 Ask somebody else. 1392 00:54:28,060 --> 00:54:30,060 It's sort of a social network, these challenges. 1393 00:54:30,060 --> 00:54:35,060 You can actually join and create a group and try to meet other people who want to do it. 1394 00:54:35,060 --> 00:54:38,060 We also give away our secrets, how to do these things. 1395 00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:39,060 That's my next question. 1396 00:54:39,060 --> 00:54:47,060 Do you have maybe the Borat or Bruno effect where now that you've been publicized, you can never do it again because everyone's going to recognize you? 1397 00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:48,060 Do you worry about that? 1398 00:54:48,060 --> 00:54:49,060 No. 1399 00:54:49,060 --> 00:54:51,060 Borat, you became Bruno. 1400 00:54:51,060 --> 00:54:52,060 Well, that's true. 1401 00:54:52,060 --> 00:54:53,060 He became somebody else. 1402 00:54:53,060 --> 00:54:59,060 But you guys, are you masters of disguises where you can continuously change your appearances? 1403 00:54:59,060 --> 00:55:08,060 We're considering trying to get on one of those extreme makeover shows, you know, so we can afford it. 1404 00:55:08,060 --> 00:55:10,060 No, we tried. 1405 00:55:10,060 --> 00:55:14,060 In the movie, I have like 10 different hairstyles. 1406 00:55:14,060 --> 00:55:18,060 But still got recognized a couple times to dramatic effect. 1407 00:55:18,060 --> 00:55:20,060 Again, the movie, what's the full title of the movie again? 1408 00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:22,060 The Yes Men Fix the World. 1409 00:55:22,060 --> 00:55:27,060 Fix the World, playing at the Film Forum here in New York City tonight at 10 o'clock and every night 8 and 10. 1410 00:55:27,060 --> 00:55:28,060 Is it playing during the day at all? 1411 00:55:28,060 --> 00:55:29,060 Yeah. 1412 00:55:29,060 --> 00:55:32,060 1 o'clock, 2.15. 1413 00:55:32,060 --> 00:55:34,060 No, 1 o'clock, 2.45. 1414 00:55:34,060 --> 00:55:35,060 I have this memorized, okay? 1415 00:55:35,060 --> 00:55:36,060 Yeah. 1416 00:55:36,060 --> 00:55:37,060 4.30, 6. 1417 00:55:37,060 --> 00:55:39,060 So show up to all the showings. 1418 00:55:39,060 --> 00:55:41,060 Camp out in the theater and just see this thing. 1419 00:55:41,060 --> 00:55:42,060 Tell your friends about it. 1420 00:55:42,060 --> 00:55:44,060 It's a great way to show support. 1421 00:55:44,060 --> 00:55:50,060 And, of course, when it comes to your city, look for the Yes Men Fix the World coming soon wherever you happen to be, hopefully. 1422 00:55:50,060 --> 00:55:54,060 And now for now, the last couple of minutes we have in the show, please give us a call. 1423 00:55:54,060 --> 00:56:00,060 Show your support for WBAI, which continues to bring you stories like this and people like this and hopefully inspire people like this. 1424 00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:04,060 I imagine there's people listening right now that are going to cause all kinds of mischief as a result of this. 1425 00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:05,060 We hope so. 1426 00:56:05,060 --> 00:56:07,060 You wouldn't get that from mainstream news. 1427 00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:08,060 You wouldn't get that kind of encouragement. 1428 00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:11,060 So please call us, 212-209-2950. 1429 00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:19,060 Show your support by pledging for these amazing Yes Men items, the fake newspapers, four of them for a pledge of $75. 1430 00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:22,060 $125, you'll get books in addition to that. 1431 00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:25,060 $25 pledge, you'll get the off-the-hook t-shirt. 1432 00:56:25,060 --> 00:56:27,060 212-209-2950. 1433 00:56:27,060 --> 00:56:29,060 You guys want to say anything about BAI? 1434 00:56:29,060 --> 00:56:32,060 How short are you of the $1,000 mark there? 1435 00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:34,060 This says $775 up there. 1436 00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:40,060 I'm not sure if that hasn't been added up yet or if we, you know, maybe three calls, three or four calls will do it. 1437 00:56:40,060 --> 00:56:41,060 Wow, okay. 1438 00:56:41,060 --> 00:56:42,060 We've got to get there. 1439 00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:43,060 212-209-2950. 1440 00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:46,060 Remember, we're not offering this after the show. 1441 00:56:46,060 --> 00:56:50,060 I mean, we'll offer for a few minutes after the show, but if you call an hour from now, no, we won't be able to offer it. 1442 00:56:50,060 --> 00:56:51,060 There's only like four minutes left. 1443 00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:52,060 Yeah. 1444 00:56:52,060 --> 00:56:54,060 So if you're thinking of pledging, now's the time. 1445 00:56:54,060 --> 00:56:55,060 Now is the time. 1446 00:56:55,060 --> 00:56:56,060 Now is the time. 1447 00:56:56,060 --> 00:56:57,060 There's no better time than now. 1448 00:56:57,060 --> 00:57:02,060 And just to say something about WBAI, you know, it is a precious resource. 1449 00:57:02,060 --> 00:57:07,060 If you didn't have radio stations like this, we would be, as the New York Post said recently, screwed. 1450 00:57:07,060 --> 00:57:08,060 Yeah. 1451 00:57:08,060 --> 00:57:09,060 So I think we're allowed to say that, right? 1452 00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:10,060 They did say that. 1453 00:57:10,060 --> 00:57:11,060 They did say that. 1454 00:57:11,060 --> 00:57:12,060 If it's in the New York Post, it's got to be true. 1455 00:57:12,060 --> 00:57:13,060 So yeah, absolutely. 1456 00:57:13,060 --> 00:57:14,060 So please support it. 1457 00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:15,060 Please do. 1458 00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:23,060 And we have this one last, you know, the Reggie, if anybody wants to make up, let's say, $200, throw down for this Reggie candle. 1459 00:57:23,060 --> 00:57:25,060 This is truly unique. 1460 00:57:25,060 --> 00:57:28,060 You know, if someone does that, we'll personally make sure that they get it. 1461 00:57:28,060 --> 00:57:32,060 I'm not sure how you would deliver something like that, but we'll do that. 1462 00:57:32,060 --> 00:57:35,060 I was speaking with Mike Bonanno and Andy Bickelbaum. 1463 00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:41,060 Guys, stay safe, please, and keep doing what you do, and let us know about your next projects. 1464 00:57:41,060 --> 00:57:43,060 We'll be happy to help you out in whatever ways we can. 1465 00:57:43,060 --> 00:57:44,060 Thank you. 1466 00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:47,060 Did you hear about our April Fool's thing on this station where we went country for a few minutes? 1467 00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:49,060 Yeah. 1468 00:57:49,060 --> 00:57:51,060 That got the calls coming in. 1469 00:57:51,060 --> 00:57:55,060 But that's not going to happen immediately, but it might happen if people don't call and support the station. 1470 00:57:55,060 --> 00:58:01,060 212-209-2950, please give us your support and keep this place going. 1471 00:58:01,060 --> 00:58:03,060 Guys, thanks so much for coming in. 1472 00:58:03,060 --> 00:58:04,060 Thank you very much. 1473 00:58:04,060 --> 00:58:05,060 Hope to hear from you again soon. 1474 00:58:05,060 --> 00:58:06,060 Thanks. 1475 00:58:06,060 --> 00:58:07,060 Absolutely. 1476 00:58:25,060 --> 00:58:31,060 I'm taking my cold, lonely, soul-sweet relief 1477 00:58:31,060 --> 00:58:37,060 From my weary past 1478 00:58:37,060 --> 00:58:43,060 Always searching, the one missing piece was you 1479 00:58:43,060 --> 00:58:49,060 And I beg you, come away with me 1480 00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:57,060 And together we will find a place to call our own 1481 00:58:57,060 --> 00:59:01,060 I can't wait to see what I can do 1482 00:59:01,060 --> 00:59:05,060 With a laptop like you 1483 00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:19,060 It's not your CD slot 1484 00:59:19,060 --> 00:59:27,060 Or the Unix on which you are based 1485 00:59:27,060 --> 00:59:31,060 You make my lap hard 1486 00:59:32,060 --> 00:59:39,060 It's underneath your aluminum case, there's love 1487 00:59:39,060 --> 00:59:45,060 And I forgive your strange one-button mouse 1488 00:59:45,060 --> 00:59:53,060 I forgive the way your keyboard leaves marks on your screen 1489 00:59:54,060 --> 00:59:58,060 I can't overlook a fault or two 1490 00:59:58,060 --> 01:00:07,060 For a laptop like you 1491 01:00:07,060 --> 01:00:13,060 We will always be together 1492 01:00:13,060 --> 01:00:19,060 In love in spite of everything 1493 01:00:19,060 --> 01:00:25,060 Hang on tight through wind and weather 1494 01:00:25,060 --> 01:00:31,060 Heaven knows what time may bring 1495 01:00:31,060 --> 01:00:37,060 In a year or two 1496 01:00:37,060 --> 01:00:43,060 You will seem big and heavy and slow 1497 01:00:43,060 --> 01:00:49,060 I will carry you 1498 01:00:49,060 --> 01:00:55,060 To wherever it is laptops go to die 1499 01:00:55,060 --> 01:01:01,060 Don't think it won't be hard on me 1500 01:01:01,060 --> 01:01:09,060 How am I ever gonna find a way to justify 1501 01:01:09,060 --> 01:01:15,060 Alright, alright, alright WBAI