1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Yo, this is Michael Franti from Spirited, and you're listening to non, non, non-commercial 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,000 radio in New York. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,000 WBAI is the place to turn to. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Peace. 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Oh my, oh my God, hear my mother goddess living suicide singing. 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Oh my, oh my God, hear my mother goddess living genocide singing. 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:29,000 Oh my, oh my God, hear my mother goddess living suicide singing. 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Oh my, oh my God, oh my God. 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:45,000 And you're listening to radio station WBAI New York, where the time is 7 o'clock. 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Time once again for Off The Hook. 11 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:58,000 The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall. 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,000 I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a cough. 13 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Bum-diddly-bum. 713 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,000 Bum-diddly-bum. 714 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Bum-diddly-bum. 715 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,000 Bum-diddly-bum. 716 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,000 Bum-diddly-bum. 717 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,000 that you do now? 718 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,000 What is it that you could not have done, say, two years ago? 719 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,000 Has the technology advanced to a stage where you're able to do things that just weren't 720 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,000 possible? 721 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,000 Well, yeah. 722 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,840 The size alone of the equipment, be it the dishes, be it the actual servers and switches, 723 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:31,800 just allow us to put things in places that were otherwise too obtrusive before. 724 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:36,040 One thing that has helped us is just this ubiquitous conversation about wireless has 725 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,960 put it out there, whether everyone understands it or not, but when we say we do fixed microwave 726 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,720 wireless, we're broadly accepted. 727 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,320 The landlord community here in New York City, the commercial landlord community, has been 728 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:48,720 a huge asset to us. 729 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:53,440 We've got some terrific relationships on some of the premier buildings, and we're thrilled 730 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,440 about those relationships. 731 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:59,760 They allow us to basically sectorize New York City and get to places that aren't serviced 732 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,920 by fiber, and wireless has fiber-like performance. 733 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,240 How many places aren't served by fiber these days? 734 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,240 Most of them, right? 735 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:12,200 Well, nationwide, there's 750,000 commercial office buildings, and the estimate is that 736 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,320 less than 10% of them are serviced by fiber. 737 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:20,760 New York being New York is probably 5% higher, so there's still 85% of the buildings in Manhattan 738 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,680 that are not fiber-enabled. 739 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:29,160 The purpose of getting the higher bandwidth is to support all these terrific applications, 740 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,440 whether it's voiceover IP, more and more video coming down the line. 741 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,800 The old copper infrastructure just is woefully inadequate to support it. 742 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,000 There's just too much latency built into the system. 743 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,320 Now, what we're doing for Hope, and I guess we're pretty fortunate because we're in a 744 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:49,840 good location, we're basically connecting – well, actually, Pyro, you're here, too. 745 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:50,840 Maybe you could explain what we're doing. 746 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,840 We're pointing a dish, is it, at 4 Times Square? 747 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:02,480 Basically, yes, we're doing a one-up to 4 Times Square from hopefully the 18th floor 748 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:08,160 of the Pennsylvania Hotel, where the conference is going to be, and that will enable us to 749 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:14,440 bring in a huge, huge amount of bandwidth to the conference available for however we 750 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,280 want to break it up and use it. 751 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:23,200 We still have the same ISP that we had for the previous Hope conferences, so this will 752 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,440 just be on top of what we already have. 753 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,440 Okay, so we're going to have a whole lot. 754 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,800 Now, the guys at Rainbow have been great as far as helping us out with this, but there 755 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:37,400 are still certain installation costs that we do have to shoulder, and that's why we're 756 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,640 asking people for their help in doing this, because this wasn't originally budgeted, 757 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,200 but it's just so cool we can't pass it up. 758 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,040 So if you go to www.2600.com, you'll see there's a little counter there, and hopefully 759 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,800 we'll raise something so we can definitely do this. 760 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,480 One way or another, we will do it, though. 761 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,600 There's no question about that. 762 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,120 Give us an idea of what kind of bandwidth we're looking at. 763 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:03,440 We're looking at the equivalent of 144 megs of bandwidth coming to us. 764 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:09,520 So if you think of a normal business having a T3 of just about 45, that's going to be 765 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:15,240 a lot more than any normal big business could possibly ever deliver to us. 766 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:16,240 That's cool. 767 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,840 And I have to say, a lot of this was inspired by going to CCC this winter and seeing what 768 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:21,840 the Germans were doing. 769 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,760 The Germans had, what was it, 15 gigs or something? 770 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,880 They had some enormous amount of bandwidth. 771 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,440 They had more bandwidth going to that building than the entire continent of Africa, which 772 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,080 I think is obscene. 773 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,880 But still, they put up signs saying, use more bandwidth. 774 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:42,040 And I came back saying, having the equivalent of two T1s is nice, but we're in the middle 775 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,040 of New York City. 776 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,760 We should be able to figure out a way to do something. 777 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:46,760 Find some way. 778 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:47,760 There's got to be. 779 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,880 If we just believe we can do it, we'll do it. 780 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,960 And Pyro, you came along, and you did a lot of research, and you found these guys. 781 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,400 How did you track them down? 782 00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:01,720 I actually knew Mark from a previous company called Urban Broadband, who, a company I had 783 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:07,800 worked for, was interested in doing just this, the microwave link-up as a backup solution 784 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:14,520 for AT&T, because as we all know, AT&T and Verizon together spell trouble. 785 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:20,080 So Mark had, I had enlisted the aid of Urban Broadband, and then Urban just kind of like 786 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:21,640 dropped off the face of the earth. 787 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,600 And I was kind of desperate, and I didn't want to let this just go to waste, so I called 788 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,720 in a few favors, got a hold of a few contacts, and Mark somehow resurfaced. 789 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,560 And I told him, Mark, look, you know, we need to get this done. 790 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,080 We need to do this. 791 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,080 And what can you do for me? 792 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,400 And we bantered back and forth, got a lot of scenarios going, presented it to the Hope 793 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,040 crew, and finally hammered out something. 794 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,040 Awesome. 795 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:49,000 Now, the political structure here and in Europe seems to be totally different, where like, 796 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,040 where here it's all sort of corporation-based. 797 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:56,640 In Europe, it seems like among, you know, friends, they were able to get these connections 798 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:03,680 because most of the hackers there, a lot of our friends work for ISPs, and they all have 799 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,120 friends working at other ISPs. 800 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:11,080 So they were sort of able to get these links put together by, you know, just having contacts, 801 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,560 you know, being friends with other people and saying, hey, listen, can you do us a favor? 802 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,160 You know, run, you know, just give us access for the weekend here. 803 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,520 And they were, I mean, just an enormous amount of bandwidth. 804 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,480 I think they had fiber going to two different co-location facilities. 805 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:29,440 And even at their campsite before, in the middle of nowhere, they had more bandwidth 806 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:30,640 than we were able to get in New York City. 807 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,280 So it's just, yeah, it got very frustrating after a while. 808 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,800 So once again, the Europeans have inspired us to take a step forward, this time more 809 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,460 out of anger than anything else. 810 00:18:38,460 --> 00:18:39,460 But we did it. 811 00:18:39,460 --> 00:18:40,460 And we're going to do it. 812 00:18:40,460 --> 00:18:42,320 We haven't done it yet, but we will. 813 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:48,040 And for those who don't know, the Hope conference is coming up July 21st, 22nd, and 23rd. 814 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:49,920 It's very soon. 815 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:50,920 Yeah, it's a month. 816 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:51,920 It's exactly a month from today. 817 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,920 Oh, wow. 818 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:53,920 Today's June 21st. 819 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:58,280 So yeah, if you haven't started to panic yet, now would be a good time. 820 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:59,640 We have all kinds of speakers. 821 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,440 We have, I think, more speakers than last time. 822 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,920 We had a lot of speakers last time. 823 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,120 Right now we're working out the scheduling and the hardest part is figuring out where 824 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:09,200 to put everybody. 825 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,320 One announcement I'd like to make, we have a Saturday keynote. 826 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:17,000 We have a Friday keynote of Richard Stallman, who many of you know and love and have heard 827 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,960 about and read about. 828 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,960 Our Saturday keynote will be Michael Hart. 829 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,520 You guys know who Michael Hart is? 830 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:29,760 He is the guy who is the founder of Project Gutenberg, which makes electronic books freely 831 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,000 available via the internet. 832 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,000 And yeah, it's pretty cool. 833 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,720 A lot of people are into this. 834 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,120 And he's a great speaker. 835 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:40,720 We're going to be having a very entertaining time. 836 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,000 In addition to him, we'll have Kevin Mitnick and Jello Biafra and all your other favorite 837 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,440 people from around the world that will be showing up, along with many new faces. 838 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:56,120 So information, www.hope.net, register for the low price it's on now. 839 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:58,000 It's going to go up at the door. 840 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,580 When is the deadline? 841 00:19:59,580 --> 00:20:04,240 It's going to be probably sometime in early July and sooner for you guys overseas because 842 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,200 we have to get you things and you're further away. 843 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:13,440 Okay, now Mark, how do people get a hold of your company? 844 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,160 First of all, let me ask you, we have line of sight, obviously, being at the Hotel Pennsylvania. 845 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,760 We're only about eight blocks away from Four Times Square. 846 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,360 Do people have to have line of sight of that in order to use your business? 847 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:26,040 Yeah, Manuel, they do. 848 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:31,080 In the case of the Hotel Pennsylvania, it has to be categorized as a layup. 849 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,520 We're actually going to be shooting from the northern balcony or window, whatever the hotel 850 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:39,800 permits, right up to the Condé Nast building at Four Times Square. 851 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:46,680 Less than a half a mile, it just will allow four, five, six nines of reliability and complete 852 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,360 security. 853 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:52,400 As far as other customers are concerned, we do require a line of sight, but we strategically 854 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:57,980 located on top of some of the taller buildings throughout Manhattan, basically creating sectors 855 00:20:57,980 --> 00:21:01,480 from north to south on Manhattan. 856 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,680 If we can see your building, we can get you service and we can get it to you probably 857 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,200 in under 30 days. 858 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,520 Is this something usual where you can shoot through windows and not have a problem for 859 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,120 customers who don't have access to the roof of their building? 860 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:15,960 Yes, we can go through windows. 861 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,080 Obviously, we would like to maximize our penetration into the building. 862 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:26,000 We prefer to walk into the landlord and have him see the benefit of enhancing the tenant 863 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000 services in his building. 864 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,360 Everyone's embracing us, but where we can't get that or that we can't get that in a timely 865 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:36,040 fashion to still provide service, we will go through windows. 866 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:41,600 We've even figured out a couple techniques to defeat treated glass, which comes up rarely, 867 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,040 but when it does, we've now figured out a way to defeat it as well. 868 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,040 Cool. 869 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,040 How do people get a hold of your company? 870 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,240 I appreciate you saying that. 871 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:58,040 You can call us at 212-201-1240 in New York or visit our website at www.rainbowbroadband.com. 872 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,040 Cool. 873 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,640 Well, Mark, thanks for coming by. 874 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,240 We're going to keep you on in case the listeners have any questions. 875 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,540 Pyro, I want to thank you for making all this happen. 876 00:22:05,540 --> 00:22:06,540 Thank you, Eric. 877 00:22:06,540 --> 00:22:08,900 Just an example of one of the many people who come together for the HOPE Conference 878 00:22:08,900 --> 00:22:11,540 every couple of years and make amazing things happen. 879 00:22:11,540 --> 00:22:16,140 I want to welcome Bernie S. from Philadelphia. 880 00:22:16,140 --> 00:22:17,140 Bernie, are you with us? 881 00:22:17,140 --> 00:22:20,140 I am, and I'm very excited about this technology. 882 00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:22,780 Yeah, it's something else. 883 00:22:22,780 --> 00:22:24,260 I knew it was possible to do something. 884 00:22:24,260 --> 00:22:28,020 I didn't know exactly what we were going to do, but I knew something was possible. 885 00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:32,180 As long as we believe that we can do it, we'll pull it off somehow. 886 00:22:32,180 --> 00:22:34,940 It's not just the technology that excites me. 887 00:22:34,940 --> 00:22:40,740 It's putting thousands of interested people who are interested in making the most out 888 00:22:40,740 --> 00:22:46,620 of technology in one place and seeing what they can do with that much bandwidth. 889 00:22:46,620 --> 00:22:47,820 Absolutely. 890 00:22:47,820 --> 00:22:52,060 Okay, so continuing on, we have all sorts of other things to talk about as well. 891 00:22:52,060 --> 00:22:56,360 As I said, Mark Hertzler is going to stay with us, so if people want to call up later 892 00:22:56,360 --> 00:23:00,380 on and ask him questions about Rainbow Broadband or this technology or anything like that, 893 00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:01,460 feel free to do so. 894 00:23:01,460 --> 00:23:03,720 Our number is 212-209-2900. 895 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,720 Don't call now because Verizon will disconnect you after a certain number of rings. 896 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,640 We'll be taking calls in a little bit. 897 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,400 Just wait for the announcement. 898 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,240 Joining us now is our old friend, Steve Ranbam, who has been at every HELP conference, I believe. 899 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,240 Is that true, Steve? 900 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,240 Unfortunately, that is true. 901 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,360 Yes, it's a bit tiring, I know, but you'll be at this one as well. 902 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:27,620 In fact, you're doing something even more this year. 903 00:23:27,620 --> 00:23:30,280 You're running your own sub-conference. 904 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,200 Tell us something about that. 905 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:38,680 We have an investigative tactics and training seminar, which is a condensed version of 906 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,920 the seminar that we run for law enforcement all around the country. 907 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,960 It's going to be all day Saturday from 8 o'clock in the morning until 7 at night. 908 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:54,360 We have Jerry Keenan, who is a 21-year military intelligence specialist speaking on military 909 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:55,800 records. 910 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,560 We have Kelly Riddle, who is a former director of a police academy teaching a surveillance 911 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,880 course, which he routinely teaches to the federal government. 912 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:12,720 We have an incredible DNA seminar being taught by the director of DNA Labs International. 913 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:20,580 We've got Reggie Montgomery, who is an investigative legend who has taught polygraph to just about 914 00:24:20,580 --> 00:24:23,680 every polygraph examiner on the East Coast. 915 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,920 He's doing a polygraph seminar. 916 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:32,800 I'm giving a seminar on international investigations, which we typically teach to the intelligence 917 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,160 community. 918 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:41,040 And from 5 o'clock to 7 o'clock, we are having, as part of the general session, we're having 919 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:53,560 a considerably more in-depth than usual seminar on databases, privacy, remarkable new additions. 920 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,320 This is going to be something that we've never made available to the general public 921 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,320 before. 922 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:05,240 Now, just to be clear, the individual seminar presentations, that's something above and 923 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,240 beyond the HOPE Conference. 924 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,240 Correct. 925 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,440 That's something that is sort of like a separate conference running at the same time in the 926 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,600 same hotel in a different floor, on the sixth floor, I believe. 927 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:15,600 Correct. 928 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,520 Now, all these speakers, though, will be joining together for a special two-hour panel discussion 929 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,000 that you're going to be leading that Saturday night. 930 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,760 So I guess, as you mentioned, the general public will learn a whole lot about investigative 931 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,120 techniques and things like that. 932 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,320 What kind of person should consider registering for the seminars, though? 933 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,320 Well, that's correct. 934 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,720 From 8 o'clock to 5 o'clock, that's a closed seminar. 935 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,080 You have to register separately. 936 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,080 You have to be approved. 937 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,080 Approved, eh? 938 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,080 Well, I'm afraid so. 939 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,080 Yeah? 940 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,080 I'm not too sure Kevin Mitnick could get in. 941 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,080 I'm kidding. 942 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,080 Well, now he's going to try. 943 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,080 Actually, we invited Kevin to our last seminar in Vegas. 944 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,080 Oh, yeah? 945 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,080 From 8 o'clock to 5 o'clock, that's a closed seminar. 946 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,080 You have to register separately. 947 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,080 You have to be approved. 948 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,080 There is a... 949 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,080 Approved, eh? 950 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,400 From 8 o'clock to 5 o'clock, that is a separate seminar that is closed. 951 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,040 You do have to subscribe. 952 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:04,440 Interested attendees can go to paltechseminars.com. 953 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:09,000 Paltech spelled P-A-L-L-T-E-C-H, seminars.com. 954 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,880 But from 5 o'clock to 7 o'clock, we're rounding up all the speakers, including myself, from 955 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,320 the seminar. 956 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:20,160 And we are doing a privacy and database seminar and talk. 957 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:27,080 And then all of the investigative lecturers will be available on a panel to answer questions. 958 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,080 Sounds great. 959 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,840 And I understand you're interested in finding another victim. 960 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,840 Yes. 961 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:32,840 Okay. 962 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:33,840 That's correct. 963 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,840 Tell us about the victim. 964 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:41,760 There is nothing better to demonstrate what is available on the unsuspecting investigative 965 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:51,520 target than to have a volunteer victim who we will give a digital proctology exam and 966 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,040 reveal the results at the seminar. 967 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,560 Let me say that we will be gentle. 968 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:06,400 We will use, I guess, to keep going with the analogy, digital Vaseline, but sorry, I couldn't 969 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,000 help myself. 970 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:15,560 But very seriously, this has to be somebody who is willing to have, in very large part, 971 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:23,520 the details of their life revealed to 1,400 or however many 2,000 HOPE attendees. 972 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,520 Now, we will do things, let me add before someone gets frightened, we will do things 973 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:34,280 like mask the bulk of your social security number. 974 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,200 If you have a criminal record, we will. 975 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,960 You wouldn't volunteer if you had a criminal record, probably, right? 976 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,960 Why not? 977 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:40,960 Oh, I guess. 978 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:41,960 Okay. 979 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:42,960 Why not? 980 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:43,960 Yeah. 981 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,960 You know, there are some things that you can do that break the law that are not particularly 982 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,960 heinous. 983 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,680 If you're a child molester, don't call in. 984 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,680 Yeah, probably not. 985 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:57,960 But if you've stolen a Twinkie and gotten caught, I don't see that as, you know, particularly 986 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:58,960 nefarious conduct. 987 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,600 This is not a good thing for people with skeletons in their closets, but it's perfect for amnesia 988 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,560 victims who have a name and they just can't relate to it yet. 989 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,160 Hopefully, we'll get someone with a bit more of a history than an amnesia victim. 990 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,160 Okay. 991 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,160 Great. 992 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,680 So, we tried this last time, but I understand the person that actually volunteered got cold 993 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,760 feet at the last minute. 994 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:21,400 It was an unbelievable dossier on this guy, and we called him up and chatted with him 995 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,040 about it, and we got a call from his lawyer the next morning. 996 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,040 Oh, my goodness. 997 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,840 And, you know, we had a release signed from him. 998 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,080 We will give you a release to sign. 999 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:35,160 And if we wanted to be daring and get you sued and me sued, we probably could have gone 1000 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,160 ahead. 1001 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:41,520 But since this is all going up in a big keynote presentation on the screen, I thought that 1002 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,120 that would be not particularly intelligent. 1003 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,560 Why would somebody volunteer if they were going to get cold feet? 1004 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,600 Did they really not think they were going to get caught? 1005 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:51,640 We were kind of suckers. 1006 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,480 This was somebody who wanted to see if people could find out about his background, and he 1007 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,640 kind of suckered us into it. 1008 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,800 We did find out pretty much everything there was to know, and then he said, okay, now I 1009 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:03,920 know. 1010 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,160 If you reveal it, I'll sue you. 1011 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:11,240 So this year, let me tell you, if there's somebody else, no problem. 1012 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,240 Sue us. 1013 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,240 We're putting it up on the screen. 1014 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,240 Yeah, really. 1015 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,480 I mean, you know, why volunteer for something like that if you're going to back out at the 1016 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,240 last minute knowing that. 1017 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,600 The guy, I think, got smart at all of us. 1018 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,560 Well, let's just assure the people out there thinking of volunteering to be the victim 1019 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,000 that Steve will find out about you. 1020 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,080 He'll find anything, any secret that you might have is going to be revealed. 1021 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,040 So don't volunteer if you don't want that to happen. 1022 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,480 Don't be surprised when that happens. 1023 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,480 We're not kidding here. 1024 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,000 We're not just, you know, going to do smoke and mirrors. 1025 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,000 Steve will find out. 1026 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:47,520 And it will be not only the expected investigative information, but it will be purposely an example 1027 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,320 of the sort of digital footprints that you leave in the snow as you go on with your life. 1028 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,600 I mean, you brought up eBay. 1029 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:59,160 Pulling someone's eBay history will tell you an enormous amount about someone. 1030 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,160 Their Skype account, their monster.com resume listing. 1031 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,160 I mean, the investigator's best friend is MySpace, for example. 1032 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:12,160 It's interesting you should say that because there was an article in New Scientist last 1033 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,160 week. 1034 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:19,240 Basically, it seems that the National Security Agency is now taking an interest in things 1035 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:26,520 like MySpace and LiveJournal and Friendster and Facebook and all that and actually following 1036 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:27,520 through on these leads. 1037 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,640 These social circles that people are painting about themselves. 1038 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:37,280 We have an investigative meta-search that does nothing but on-command data mining called 1039 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,440 guerrillatrace.com, which in fact the NSA has signed up for. 1040 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,200 And we're going to be demonstrating that at the convention also. 1041 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,800 And one of the things it does is it searches military records in Google and blogs and MySpace 1042 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:57,400 and monster.com and everything that the average person is considerate enough to put out there 1043 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,160 in cyberspace so investigators don't have to work so hard. 1044 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,840 Now, are you surprised that so many people are putting their lives on display willingly 1045 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:06,840 like this? 1046 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,840 It's unavoidable. 1047 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:14,120 Look, 20 years ago, if you made a tape recording, it was an analog recording. 1048 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,560 To index it was borderline impossible. 1049 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:22,960 What the NSA did with grabbing keywords at that time was considered technology of the 1050 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:23,960 future. 1051 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,520 Now, any idiot with an analog to digital converter can do that. 1052 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,720 Photos are digital. 1053 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,880 Every document that you would have typed out on an analog typewriter, for lack of a better 1054 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:41,200 way to describe a typewriter, or written out longhand is now considerably – you don't 1055 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,280 have to have rooms of people doing data input. 1056 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,000 You are inputting the data of your life for us. 1057 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880 What I'm asking is why do people make it so easy? 1058 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,560 Why do they put their class schedules online for the whole world to see? 1059 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,600 Why do they put their photo albums for their family online? 1060 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:56,600 Because it's a way of having – 1061 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,720 A diary is supposed to be private, not public. 1062 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,360 Well, because it's a way of having a presence in the universe. 1063 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,840 And not only that, the average person wants to share information in an easy way. 1064 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,840 I'm not saying that this information should be limited by any means. 1065 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,040 I'm speaking a little tongue-in-cheek about a lot of this. 1066 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,040 What I am saying is that there should be a level playing field, and that's one of the 1067 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,080 things that we're going to talk about at the convention. 1068 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,440 The most dangerous thing is not limiting this information, it's limiting this information 1069 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,200 only to the government. 1070 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,040 Now this is obviously a panel to show what's available and what you can get on people. 1071 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,560 Is this using public resources, or is this – 1072 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,080 Well, it's also going to show – for example, my company – and by the way, I'm your 1073 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,680 101st customer, I'm going to sign up with you. 1074 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,840 We run the largest privately held investigative support service in the country called Paltech. 1075 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,200 We have 24 billion individual reference records. 1076 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:58,200 That's just individual records, not business records, not corporate records. 1077 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,680 Frankly, there's stuff out there that you don't know about. 1078 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:09,360 But even without accessing things like a social security number trace, or a credit header, 1079 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,040 or a driver's license, or a motor vehicle, or a voter registration record, or cell phone 1080 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:19,320 number tracing, or cell phone number bills, or your toll calls, or your credit card bills 1081 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,800 – and I could go on for about a half an hour what's available out there that is 1082 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,960 not publicly available that we're going to demonstrate. 1083 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:36,040 Even without accessing all of that, which we are going to do on victim number one, there 1084 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:43,240 is now today, and it's just increasing exponentially, so much stuff out there publicly that at a 1085 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,080 certain point you're going to get to the point where investigative databases are almost 1086 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,560 superfluous. 1087 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,120 Everyone's going to be able to be an investigator. 1088 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,120 Okay. 1089 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,400 It's kind of frightening when you think of it that way. 1090 00:33:53,400 --> 00:34:00,000 But again, the Paltech seminar is taking place on Saturday, July 22nd during the HOPE conference. 1091 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,200 The website again? 1092 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,200 Paltechseminars.com. 1093 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:11,200 Okay, all the registration info is on there, all the speaker information is on there, and 1094 00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:16,280 again, all those speakers, along with Steve, will be appearing on a two-hour panel at the 1095 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,560 General HOPE conference. 1096 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,020 Now if somebody is interested in being this so-called victim, how do they contact us? 1097 00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:28,880 They can go to the investigation website, which is Pallorium, P-A-L-L-O-R-I-U-M.com, 1098 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:35,880 and click on the link, or they can send a direct email to my super secret email address, 1099 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:43,160 which is about to be announced to 100,000 people, Rambam, R-A-M-B-A-M, at Pallorium, 1100 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,160 P-A-L-L-O-R-I-U-M.com. 1101 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,160 Okay. 1102 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,160 Sounds great. 1103 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:54,680 A couple of questions on some other things that have been going on in the news. 1104 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,440 You've heard about this Verizon chaperone service that's just been introduced. 1105 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,280 What do you think of something like that, where you can actually track somebody's location 1106 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,480 by cell phone, and I guess it's perfect for the kids, so you know where they are at all 1107 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,480 times, right? 1108 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,480 Anyone can do that now. 1109 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,480 Mm-hmm. 1110 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,960 And you don't have to have a GPS-enabled cell phone. 1111 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,120 That's really a misconception. 1112 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:18,440 In an urban area, as the gentleman to my right can tell you, you can triangulate in on any 1113 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,920 signal. 1114 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:25,320 There's just so many access points and transmittal and reception points that even if someone 1115 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:31,800 has an old analog cell phone, I can tell you within about 30, 40 feet where he is. 1116 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,800 Now this is something that we've discussed a whole bunch of times on the show, and you 1117 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,360 would probably know the answer to this. 1118 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,360 Who is the information available to? 1119 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,360 Legally or functionally? 1120 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,360 Functionally. 1121 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,360 You. 1122 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:46,360 Anyone. 1123 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:54,720 As long as you know the techniques and the access points and how to do this, it is painfully 1124 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:59,000 possible, and frankly, there are people who are starting to sell this in a commercial 1125 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,000 way. 1126 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,880 You have these privacy invasion idiots on the internet that will sell you someone else's 1127 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:05,960 cell phone bill. 1128 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,560 So the point here is that the data is there. 1129 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,440 The data is always being logged, and it's available. 1130 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,720 It's not something that we're making up or that we're just saying because it's technically 1131 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:15,720 possible. 1132 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:16,720 It's actually happening. 1133 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:19,080 It is actually happening. 1134 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:25,360 I can tell you that on more than one occasion, I am aware of investigators who have found 1135 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:32,960 abducted children and persons at risk by tracking a cell phone. 1136 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:39,320 I personally found an abducted kid by seeing where a cell phone call was made from. 1137 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,420 We weren't able to focus it in on the exact spot, but we ran the number. 1138 00:36:43,420 --> 00:36:46,320 We found that it was to a pizza place, called the pizza place. 1139 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,640 We found out where the pizza was being delivered to, and we recovered an abducted kid. 1140 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,960 Now frankly, could we have gotten in trouble for that? 1141 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,960 I'm sure we could have. 1142 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,040 It was an exception that we made because of the circumstances. 1143 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,760 With 10 minutes of training, you could do that also. 1144 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:04,760 Interesting. 1145 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,760 Jim? 1146 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:06,760 I have a question. 1147 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,000 The victim that you're looking for for hope, that you're going to investigate all portions 1148 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,000 of his or her life. 1149 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,000 Will it suit you? 1150 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:19,080 I'm thinking of it, but I want to ask, what's in it for the victim, aside from some misguided 1151 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,080 self-aggrandizement? 1152 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,080 That's a good question. 1153 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,080 Educating the masses. 1154 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,200 That's what's in it for the masses. 1155 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,200 Sorry, I was speaking to a human and not the microphone. 1156 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,200 Yeah, the microphone is the ultimate human. 1157 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,200 I'm not skilled at this, believe it or not. 1158 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,400 Yes, educating the masses. 1159 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:46,720 You will allow us to give a remarkable demonstration to hope attendees regarding what's possible. 1160 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:52,520 We could dummy up a report and show this anyway, but it's not going to be as believable 1161 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,480 as if it's your record. 1162 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,840 The reaction on the person's faces is probably the best part of it. 1163 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,640 We'll give you a special hope gift basket of some sort. 1164 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,640 Yes, exactly. 1165 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,640 It'll be nice. 1166 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,400 It won't be a nasty gift basket. 1167 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:12,480 I tell you what, we will all be going out to an unnamed but really nice steakhouse afterwards. 1168 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,160 We will take you with us. 1169 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,480 You get a steak dinner. 1170 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,240 That's good if you're not a veggie. 1171 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,240 Can I get a vegan dinner? 1172 00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:22,240 How old are you? 1173 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:23,240 20. 1174 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:25,000 You don't have enough of a history, probably. 1175 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,000 That's right. 1176 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,000 Your history is still being made. 1177 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,400 Now, by the way, we could show you how we could create a history for you. 1178 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,400 That'd be nice. 1179 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,400 Let's give him a history and a new identity and everything. 1180 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,400 Give you someone else's history. 1181 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,400 All right. 1182 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,400 Here's a great story. 1183 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,080 For a governor with a secret hotline to the Department of Homeland Security, the only 1184 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,880 thing worse than hearing the phone ring is answering the call and hearing, are you satisfied 1185 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,160 with your long-distance service provider? 1186 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,160 Yes. 1187 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,720 Every time that phone rings, it's telemarketers, grumbled Governor Ruth Ann Minner, whose secret 1188 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:59,480 Homeland Defense hotline sits in her office ringing occasionally with offers of timeshare 1189 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,400 condominiums and great deals on long distance. 1190 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,480 I wonder about the security of that line, said Minner, noting that other governors have 1191 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,360 reported similarly unwelcome intrusions on the hotline phones that are supposed to ring 1192 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,200 only in the event of a national catastrophe. 1193 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,280 Minner, who sits on a Homeland Security advisory panel of the National Governors Association, 1194 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,440 mentioned the annoying phone calls last Thursday on a visit to Washington. 1195 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,520 The problem seems to be the random number generators that telemarketers use. 1196 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,400 So what's a governor to do? 1197 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,120 According to Minner's office, and this is great, the Department of Homeland Security 1198 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,240 placed all the hotline numbers on the federal government's do not call registry, which is 1199 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,160 supposed to ward off telemarketers. 1200 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,320 And as we proved on this show a number of months ago, you can get a list of all the 1201 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:49,000 numbers that are on the do not call list, meaning you can get all the hotline numbers. 1202 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,200 You just have to make a lot of calls to figure out which ones. 1203 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,800 You won't know which of the numbers, of the millions of numbers is the hotline. 1204 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,800 No, that's true. 1205 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,800 That's true. 1206 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,920 You're going to have to figure it out afterwards, but you'll have the number and you'll know 1207 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,440 somewhere in this list of millions of numbers is the hotline number. 1208 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,560 That's exactly what I was about to bring up, that we found that some months ago. 1209 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,800 Why don't we go to like archive.org and find an old copy of that? 1210 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,320 We know that this is recent. 1211 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,400 We know what state she's governor of. 1212 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,960 Well, maybe you do, I don't. 1213 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:18,960 And- 1214 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:19,960 Delaware. 1215 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:20,960 Delaware? 1216 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:21,960 Thank you. 1217 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,120 And by process of elimination, we could find maybe just 100,000 numbers. 1218 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:31,240 We look for the 5,000 from Delaware that are on there and we call everyone and say, this 1219 00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:32,320 is Homeland Security. 1220 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,320 Is this the Governor Minner? 1221 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,320 All right. 1222 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,720 Well, you have something to do now for the next five years or something like that, but 1223 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:43,080 now, Bernie, you brought to my attention a story that's pretty interesting about a bunch 1224 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,840 of government workers that are, what were they, saying goodbye to their families today 1225 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,000 and running off to be buried in a mountain or something? 1226 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000 Do you know anything about this? 1227 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:57,440 Well, on Monday, yeah, there were several thousand, about 4,000 high-ranking federal 1228 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,680 employees from various federal agencies. 1229 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:05,640 Everything from the State Department to the Commodity Futures Trading Association. 1230 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:13,960 And this shadow government of sort of standby operatives all went to the bunkers on Monday 1231 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,280 in a big mock evacuation. 1232 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,880 And I unfortunately didn't have time to do much radio monitoring that day, but I would 1233 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:29,900 imagine that both the high-frequency, you know, shortwave backup communications channels 1234 00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:30,900 were in use. 1235 00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:41,580 This is similar to the DEFCON scenario used in the national security community, but these 1236 00:41:41,580 --> 00:41:46,140 are called cognons for continuity of government. 1237 00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:51,860 And the whole idea is to, you know, when the crap hits the fan here, another terrorist 1238 00:41:51,860 --> 00:42:01,020 attack or whatever, a major natural disaster or an actual war where this country was really 1239 00:42:01,020 --> 00:42:06,140 threatened by a major military force or a nuclear weapon or something. 1240 00:42:06,140 --> 00:42:08,860 A spontaneous revolution of the people, or something like that. 1241 00:42:08,860 --> 00:42:10,140 Or something like that, too. 1242 00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:14,540 Everybody sort of runs down their rabbit holes, like George Bush did about three years ago 1243 00:42:14,540 --> 00:42:17,420 when the crap hit the fan. 1244 00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:19,860 And they stay in these bunkers where they have lots of food. 1245 00:42:19,860 --> 00:42:23,980 It's kind of like Dr. Strangelove. 1246 00:42:23,980 --> 00:42:26,980 They all run down underground and keep things running. 1247 00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:30,300 And anybody who's above ground, since we don't really have a civil defense program in this 1248 00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:33,340 country anymore, is out of luck. 1249 00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:36,620 Well, just to diverge from this for a second, I don't know if anyone's aware of this. 1250 00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:38,400 I saw this on BBC the other day. 1251 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:44,140 But do you know that there is a whole organization devoted to taking every single variation of 1252 00:42:44,140 --> 00:42:50,380 every single plant and stirring those seeds in a mountain, I think someplace in Antarctica, 1253 00:42:50,380 --> 00:42:54,660 where in case of some sort of global calamity, there will be some way of once again seeding 1254 00:42:54,660 --> 00:42:55,660 the earth? 1255 00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:56,660 Well, actually, it's an island. 1256 00:42:56,660 --> 00:42:57,660 It's where? 1257 00:42:57,660 --> 00:43:00,180 I heard it was an island near Norway. 1258 00:43:00,180 --> 00:43:01,180 Really? 1259 00:43:01,180 --> 00:43:02,420 Okay, maybe I got that wrong then. 1260 00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:03,740 I know there was snow involved. 1261 00:43:03,740 --> 00:43:04,740 It is in Norway. 1262 00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:05,740 All right. 1263 00:43:05,740 --> 00:43:06,740 Well, yeah. 1264 00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:10,380 As long as Norway doesn't get nuked, I guess we have a chance. 1265 00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:13,580 But okay, so Bernie, has anyone heard from these 4,000 government workers? 1266 00:43:14,020 --> 00:43:15,020 Have they come back? 1267 00:43:15,020 --> 00:43:17,420 We're not sure how long they were supposed to stay away. 1268 00:43:17,420 --> 00:43:19,100 It's kind of secret. 1269 00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:24,620 I mean, this is a whole FEMA and there's 50 different agencies that are involved in this. 1270 00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:29,180 But I don't know anybody who ran down the rabbit hole. 1271 00:43:29,180 --> 00:43:32,220 They're not telling me when they're coming back out of the hole. 1272 00:43:32,220 --> 00:43:33,900 Well, you might be down that rabbit hole. 1273 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:35,380 Maybe you can listen to the radio from there. 1274 00:43:35,380 --> 00:43:37,500 If you are there, please let us know that you're okay. 1275 00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:39,620 We just want to know what's going on down there. 1276 00:43:39,620 --> 00:43:44,020 I've noticed the federal government running much better the last 48 hours. 1277 00:43:44,020 --> 00:43:45,020 Maybe we can keep them there. 1278 00:43:45,020 --> 00:43:46,020 Ah, yes. 1279 00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:47,020 I think they should just stay there. 1280 00:43:47,020 --> 00:43:48,020 Well, okay. 1281 00:43:48,020 --> 00:43:49,020 That's one opinion, certainly. 1282 00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:54,580 Now, Bernie, I noticed also you mentioned this, that there's a new number station or 1283 00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:56,180 number phone number or something. 1284 00:43:56,180 --> 00:43:57,300 You want to tell us something about that? 1285 00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:58,460 Another number number. 1286 00:43:58,460 --> 00:43:59,460 Another number number? 1287 00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:04,620 Well, this is like, as we've been discussing in the past few shows, these are sort of a 1288 00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:12,260 variation of the mysterious shortwave number stations that all the shortwave listeners 1289 00:44:12,260 --> 00:44:18,380 are familiar with, where it's just mysterious groups of typically five numbers read aloud, 1290 00:44:18,380 --> 00:44:22,340 usually in English, but often in foreign languages. 1291 00:44:22,340 --> 00:44:29,100 And these are typically read by covert government agencies around the world, not just American, 1292 00:44:29,100 --> 00:44:34,380 but other countries' government agencies, to get coded messages to their field operatives. 1293 00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:40,140 So it's a very secure method of getting short messages to people around the world. 1294 00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:44,340 In a shortwave, you'll pick up signals from all over the world, and the messages are encrypted 1295 00:44:44,340 --> 00:44:48,160 with a one-time pad, so there's no way anybody's going to crack them. 1296 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,100 But somebody's come up with a variation on this, and they're posting certain phone numbers 1297 00:44:53,100 --> 00:45:00,380 on a Craigslist with a cryptic message saying, mine's Fraulein, hope to see you this summer, 1298 00:45:00,380 --> 00:45:01,900 please call. 1299 00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:11,260 And the latest one has a number, area code 617-848-1172. 1300 00:45:11,260 --> 00:45:13,340 And we called this on the air, was it last week, Emanuel? 1301 00:45:13,340 --> 00:45:15,860 Oh, this is a new one, this just happened yesterday, I think. 1302 00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:19,140 Right, but we called whoever is doing this, and we think it's the same person, because 1303 00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:23,980 it starts with the same eerie music, just like a lot of these number stations on shortwave 1304 00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:27,340 do, and then it just launches into these number groups. 1305 00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:33,220 And it starts with a preamble called group, and blah blah blah, with a three-digit number. 1306 00:45:33,220 --> 00:45:38,380 And the last preamble was group 617, and sure enough, the next phone number that came up 1307 00:45:38,380 --> 00:45:41,260 a week later is in the 617 area code. 1308 00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:44,540 Well actually, there was one last week that came up in 678, I think, down south. 1309 00:45:44,540 --> 00:45:45,540 Oh, is that what it was? 1310 00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:46,540 Yeah. 1311 00:45:46,540 --> 00:45:47,540 Okay, so it broke the chain. 1312 00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:52,140 The first two were clues as to where the next area code would be, weren't they? 1313 00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:57,300 Yeah, that was what the theory was, but that seemed to have been squashed when it showed 1314 00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:59,740 up in 678, assuming that that was a real one. 1315 00:45:59,740 --> 00:46:02,460 But I noticed some people have been saying that there's something different about this 1316 00:46:02,460 --> 00:46:06,020 one, too. 1317 00:46:06,020 --> 00:46:12,380 I haven't done any numerical analysis on this, but they have found that there's a different, 1318 00:46:12,380 --> 00:46:17,260 we can call it, say, a pattern, but the pattern that has been used before is not consistent 1319 00:46:17,260 --> 00:46:18,260 with this one. 1320 00:46:18,260 --> 00:46:19,260 Interesting. 1321 00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:24,740 So it could be somebody is spoofing the previous numbers, or maybe not, but this is a really 1322 00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:27,620 big mystery, and I hope that one of our listeners gets to the bottom of this. 1323 00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:33,780 Well, there's a whole discussion of this on one of our listeners' sites, homelandstupidity.us, 1324 00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:35,860 which has a great discussion going on about this. 1325 00:46:35,860 --> 00:46:40,780 But Mike, I believe you have something to say about this, don't you? 1326 00:46:40,780 --> 00:46:42,300 I might have something to say. 1327 00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:43,860 I think you should have something to say. 1328 00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:47,580 Want to share your bit of knowledge with the rest of the world on this? 1329 00:46:47,580 --> 00:46:51,380 Well, I've been telling the listeners the past couple weeks that I had planned to make 1330 00:46:51,380 --> 00:46:54,260 one of these stations, and now I've done so. 1331 00:46:54,260 --> 00:46:55,260 Oh. 1332 00:46:55,260 --> 00:46:56,260 You've made one of these. 1333 00:46:56,260 --> 00:46:57,260 Yeah. 1334 00:46:57,260 --> 00:46:58,260 It's not that hard. 1335 00:46:58,260 --> 00:46:59,260 It's not that hard. 1336 00:46:59,260 --> 00:47:04,380 So are you actually telling us now that this new number that just popped up yesterday that 1337 00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:07,940 everybody is freaking out over, that you know something about this? 1338 00:47:07,940 --> 00:47:08,940 I know a lot about it, yeah. 1339 00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:10,140 You know a lot about this. 1340 00:47:10,140 --> 00:47:11,140 All right. 1341 00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:13,540 Let me continue here. 1342 00:47:13,540 --> 00:47:19,420 So you have knowledge of this number, of its composition, of the numbers that are being 1343 00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:22,860 read that apparently don't seem to track with the other numbers that have been read in the 1344 00:47:22,860 --> 00:47:23,860 past. 1345 00:47:24,460 --> 00:47:26,980 So are you saying there's some kind of secret message in there? 1346 00:47:26,980 --> 00:47:31,540 I wouldn't want to go so far as to say that there is a secret message, but I would advise 1347 00:47:31,540 --> 00:47:33,940 our listeners to look for one. 1348 00:47:33,940 --> 00:47:35,300 I see. 1349 00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:38,900 And is this some kind of a promotion for HOPE that you've put together? 1350 00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:42,500 Look, these rumors, you're really going too far with these questions here. 1351 00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:43,500 All right. 1352 00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:47,180 Well, if you see a flashing George W. Bush on the HOPE logo later tonight on the main 1353 00:47:47,180 --> 00:47:52,580 2600 page, you can assume that there is a secret message on that particular phone number 1354 00:47:52,580 --> 00:47:55,780 that will get you free HOPE tickets if you are able to figure it out. 1355 00:47:55,780 --> 00:48:00,380 And I'm told also that the one clue that we can give out, that we're authorized to give 1356 00:48:00,380 --> 00:48:03,980 out for this particular number, is lose the five. 1357 00:48:03,980 --> 00:48:07,140 I don't know what that means, but that's what the clue is. 1358 00:48:07,140 --> 00:48:08,140 Lose the five. 1359 00:48:08,140 --> 00:48:09,140 It's a good clue. 1360 00:48:09,140 --> 00:48:10,140 It's a good clue. 1361 00:48:10,140 --> 00:48:11,140 But okay. 1362 00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:16,500 So just so that people aren't going nuts here who are tracking the first few of these, this 1363 00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:19,880 is something definitely not the same. 1364 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,100 We can verify that. 1365 00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:22,100 Yeah. 1366 00:48:22,620 --> 00:48:26,580 So you constructed yourself to show how someone else could construct something like this and 1367 00:48:26,580 --> 00:48:27,580 fool people. 1368 00:48:27,580 --> 00:48:29,780 But I understand that it does sound a little bit different. 1369 00:48:29,780 --> 00:48:30,780 Yeah. 1370 00:48:30,780 --> 00:48:34,740 In order to make it, I took a recording of some of the old ones and chopped it up so 1371 00:48:34,740 --> 00:48:36,380 I could get the digits. 1372 00:48:36,380 --> 00:48:41,220 And the recording was a bit overmodulated, so this number might sound a bit overmodulated. 1373 00:48:41,220 --> 00:48:43,020 But you have to really pay attention. 1374 00:48:43,020 --> 00:48:45,460 Bernie, you sound like you're in shock. 1375 00:48:45,460 --> 00:48:47,780 I'm stunned that someone would do this. 1376 00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:48,780 Yeah. 1377 00:48:48,780 --> 00:48:49,780 Somebody that we know. 1378 00:48:49,900 --> 00:48:52,780 No less than one of our ten here. 1379 00:48:52,780 --> 00:48:54,020 Somebody that we thought we knew. 1380 00:48:54,020 --> 00:48:55,740 And look at how this happened. 1381 00:48:55,740 --> 00:48:56,740 Wow. 1382 00:48:56,740 --> 00:48:58,900 I'm sure he's on all kinds of lists now just for doing this. 1383 00:48:58,900 --> 00:48:59,900 Yeah, really. 1384 00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:01,780 The NSA is on their way up here now to query you. 1385 00:49:01,780 --> 00:49:03,860 Well, now I have their number too. 1386 00:49:03,860 --> 00:49:06,740 What's this phone number again that people should call to get the secret message and 1387 00:49:06,740 --> 00:49:10,180 maybe decode it and maybe win a couple of pair of hope tickets if they drop the five 1388 00:49:10,180 --> 00:49:13,060 or lose the five or whatever the number was? 1389 00:49:13,060 --> 00:49:14,060 617-848-1172. 1390 00:49:14,060 --> 00:49:15,060 All right. 1391 00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:16,060 Good luck. 1392 00:49:16,060 --> 00:49:17,060 Good luck with that. 1393 00:49:17,060 --> 00:49:18,060 I have a feeling George W. Bush is going to be flashing for a long time on the front page. 1394 00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:19,060 Okay. 1395 00:49:19,060 --> 00:49:20,060 Our phone number here at the station is 212-209-2900. 1396 00:49:20,060 --> 00:49:21,060 A couple of special guests with us. 1397 00:49:21,060 --> 00:49:22,060 We've got Mark Hertzler from Rainbow Broadband providing bandwidth for the HOPE Conference 1398 00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:23,060 this summer. 1399 00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:24,060 And we have Steve Rambam who is going to be doing some amazing things at the HOPE Conference 1400 00:49:24,060 --> 00:49:25,060 this summer as well. 1401 00:49:25,060 --> 00:49:26,060 Running a sub-conference, the Politics Seminars, and also looking for a victim. 1402 00:49:26,060 --> 00:49:27,060 You could be a victim. 1403 00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:28,060 You could be a victim. 1404 00:49:28,060 --> 00:49:29,060 You could be a victim. 1405 00:49:29,060 --> 00:49:30,060 You could be a victim. 1406 00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:31,060 You could be a victim. 1407 00:49:31,060 --> 00:49:32,060 You could be a victim. 1408 00:49:32,060 --> 00:49:33,060 You could be a victim. 1409 00:49:33,060 --> 00:49:34,060 You could be a victim. 1410 00:49:34,060 --> 00:49:35,060 You could be a victim. 1411 00:49:35,060 --> 00:49:36,060 You could be a victim. 1412 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:37,060 You could be a victim. 1413 00:49:48,060 --> 00:49:53,020 212-209-2900 is our phone number. 1414 00:49:53,020 --> 00:49:55,580 Shall we see who's out there? 1415 00:49:55,580 --> 00:49:56,580 Good evening. 1416 00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:57,580 You're on the air. 1417 00:49:57,580 --> 00:49:58,580 Oh, not anymore. 1418 00:49:58,580 --> 00:49:59,580 Let's go over here. 1419 00:49:59,580 --> 00:50:00,580 Good evening. 1420 00:50:00,580 --> 00:50:01,580 You're on the air. 1421 00:50:01,580 --> 00:50:02,580 Speak up, please. 1422 00:50:02,580 --> 00:50:03,580 Hello? 1423 00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:04,580 Yes, go ahead. 1424 00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:05,580 You're on. 1425 00:50:05,580 --> 00:50:06,580 Oh, hey. 1426 00:50:06,580 --> 00:50:07,580 What's going on, guys? 1427 00:50:07,580 --> 00:50:12,300 Are you guys still interested in perhaps learning about voting machines, the electronic voting 1428 00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:13,300 machines? 1429 00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:14,300 Oh, absolutely. 1430 00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:15,300 What can you tell us? 1431 00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:20,260 Well, I served as an Election Day official. 1432 00:50:20,260 --> 00:50:24,860 The machines were the D-Bold. 1433 00:50:24,860 --> 00:50:34,660 They use a 128-megabyte PCN-CIA memory card in the side. 1434 00:50:34,660 --> 00:50:41,300 I guess every time a person votes, it has a paper trail, and it stores the vote to the 1435 00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:44,300 memory card as well. 1436 00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:48,300 So it actually makes a piece of paper with the vote on it. 1437 00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:49,300 Right. 1438 00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:50,300 Correct. 1439 00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:55,300 So basically what the government has purchased in this instance is very, very expensive pencils. 1440 00:50:55,300 --> 00:50:56,300 Exactly. 1441 00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:57,300 Okay. 1442 00:50:57,300 --> 00:51:02,300 Did you see any particular way that this machine could be compromised in your dealings with 1443 00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:03,300 it? 1444 00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:09,300 Well, there's two doors on the side of the machine. 1445 00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:10,300 Two little doors. 1446 00:51:10,300 --> 00:51:13,300 You need a key. 1447 00:51:13,300 --> 00:51:18,300 One door was to close and lock the bay for the memory card. 1448 00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:23,300 The other door, we were told not to open and touch, but there was a symbol of a telephone 1449 00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:24,300 on there. 1450 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:31,300 So I didn't want to go against anybody's rules and regulations. 1451 00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:35,300 So I didn't mess with it, but it's possible. 1452 00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:38,300 Well, I don't suppose they let you bring one of those home, did they? 1453 00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:41,300 Well, I didn't get a chance to bring one home, no. 1454 00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:49,300 But I have an Election Day official's user manual for the machine and a DVD. 1455 00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:53,300 I'd be interested in sending that to you guys, if you want to take a look at it. 1456 00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:54,300 Yeah, that would be great. 1457 00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:55,300 That would be awesome. 1458 00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:59,300 Just send it to the address I'm sure you guys will give out, right? 1459 00:51:59,300 --> 00:52:00,300 Yeah. 1460 00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:01,300 Well, you can send it directly to 2600. 1461 00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:03,300 I can give you that address right now if you want. 1462 00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:04,300 Okay, yeah. 1463 00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:11,300 It's 2600 P.O. Box 752, and that's in Middle Island, New York. 1464 00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:13,300 Zip code 11953. 1465 00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,300 Awesome. 1466 00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:18,300 All right, and yeah, we'd love to see that. 1467 00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:19,300 Okay, very cool, guys. 1468 00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:20,300 I'll send it on the way. 1469 00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:21,300 Okay, thanks for calling. 1470 00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:22,300 Take care, guys. 1471 00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:23,300 Bye. 1472 00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:24,300 All right. 1473 00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:26,300 It's amazing what people can figure out if they just pay attention. 1474 00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:28,300 And that's what our listeners are doing. 1475 00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:31,300 212-209-2900. 1476 00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:32,300 Good evening. 1477 00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:33,300 You're on the air. 1478 00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:35,300 Greetings from southern Virginia. 1479 00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:38,300 Got a question for the gentleman with the ISP. 1480 00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:39,300 Go ahead. 1481 00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:42,300 Just out of curiosity, being an RF kind of guy, 1482 00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:48,300 what sort of frequencies are you talking about that you deliver your material on? 1483 00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:52,300 Are you using 2.4 gigs or the 900 megahertz bands? 1484 00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:53,300 That's a good question. 1485 00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:54,300 Thanks for asking. 1486 00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:57,300 We're in the 5.3 to 5.8 gigahertz ISM band, 1487 00:52:57,300 --> 00:53:01,300 which is the industrial, scientific, and medical bands 1488 00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:04,300 that were carved out by the government about four years ago. 1489 00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:06,300 It's unlicensed. 1490 00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:09,300 It's covered under Part 15 of the SEC Code, 1491 00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:12,300 which means that because it's unlicensed, 1492 00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:15,300 it doesn't have the typical protections of it's your dedicated link 1493 00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:19,300 or it's your dedicated urban environment that you have coverage of, 1494 00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:21,300 but it's self-defeating. 1495 00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:24,300 We all play well together because we don't want to, you know, 1496 00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:25,300 knock each other out. 1497 00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:26,300 One quick question. 1498 00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:28,300 What sort of antennas? 1499 00:53:28,300 --> 00:53:31,300 There are so many manufacturers out there now. 1500 00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:34,300 I probably shouldn't be speaking about ours specifically, 1501 00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:40,300 but the cost of equipment, there's NEC, there's RAD, there's Ceragon. 1502 00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:44,300 Did he mean what type of antenna, as in a dish or something? 1503 00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:46,300 Yeah, like a dish, Yagi, quad. 1504 00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:47,300 Oh, yeah. 1505 00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:48,300 I'm sorry. 1506 00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:53,300 Typically, we're shooting an 18 megahertz on a one-foot dish. 1507 00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:55,300 Oh, very cool. 1508 00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:57,300 Hey, sounds like a nifty system there. 1509 00:53:57,300 --> 00:53:58,300 Good luck with it. 1510 00:53:58,300 --> 00:53:59,300 Thanks very much. 1511 00:53:59,300 --> 00:54:00,300 Thanks for calling. 1512 00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:04,300 And you anticipate more of a nationwide rollout for this kind of thing? 1513 00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:06,300 Well, we're doing it a little differently this time. 1514 00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:09,300 You know, there was this big diaspora in telecom the last time. 1515 00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:12,300 We're hoping that we've learned a few things from the past. 1516 00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:14,300 We're growing it organically as we speak. 1517 00:54:14,300 --> 00:54:17,300 We're trying to do a proper job here in the New York City area. 1518 00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:22,300 There's always forces that want you to grow bigger and faster, 1519 00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:25,300 and we might be ready to go for the right situation, 1520 00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:27,300 but we just want to do it right. 1521 00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:30,300 We really want to serve as a small-medium business sector 1522 00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:32,300 that everybody has always talked about doing 1523 00:54:32,300 --> 00:54:35,300 and has then kind of forgotten and gone on to the higher-hanging fruit. 1524 00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:39,300 We're all about big jobs, and we'll definitely talk to Steve, 1525 00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:44,300 but we really would like to get a reputation for making people happy with the service. 1526 00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:47,300 Are you able to reach the outer boroughs of Brooklyn and Queens? 1527 00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:48,300 We can, actually. 1528 00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:50,300 We're getting quite a bit of activity, 1529 00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:52,300 and we're starting to get over into Brooklyn and Queens 1530 00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:54,300 and obviously northern New Jersey. 1531 00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:59,300 One of the benefits of the wireless is that we can go across natural borders, 1532 00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:03,300 and we'll be taking very shortly, probably by the fourth quarter of this year, 1533 00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:08,300 a redundant feed, a gig feed across Ireland to northern New Jersey 1534 00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:13,300 to back up all of our Manhattan network, which is a nice piece of redundancy. 1535 00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:16,300 Cool. All right, Mark Hertzler from Rainbow Broadband. 1536 00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:18,300 Thanks so much for coming by. 1537 00:55:18,300 --> 00:55:20,300 Give us contact info again for people who might be interested. 1538 00:55:20,300 --> 00:55:22,300 Well, Manuel, I really appreciate coming on. 1539 00:55:22,300 --> 00:55:27,300 We're very excited about providing service for Hope, supporting Hope in any way possible. 1540 00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:31,300 Our website is rainbowbroadband.com, 1541 00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:37,300 and you can call us here in New York at 212-201-1240, 1240. 1542 00:55:37,300 --> 00:55:39,300 And website? 1543 00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:41,300 www.rainbowbroadband.com. 1544 00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:42,300 Okay, great. 1545 00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:46,300 Now, Steve, I want to thank you also for coming by, as you have many times in the past. 1546 00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:47,300 My pleasure. 1547 00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:51,300 And again, the info for the Paltech seminars can be found where? 1548 00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:58,300 At paltechseminars.com, P-A-L-L-T-E-C-H seminars.com. 1549 00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:01,300 And also, I believe there's a link from the hope.net site. 1550 00:56:01,300 --> 00:56:03,300 Yes, there is. 1551 00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:06,300 And you can look forward to all sorts of interesting talks, 1552 00:56:06,300 --> 00:56:11,300 and of course the big talk with you and all the panelists from the seminar 1553 00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:13,300 appearing at the main Hope conference. 1554 00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:15,300 And again, if you're interested in being a victim, 1555 00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:17,300 somebody that we find out all sorts of information about 1556 00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:20,300 and reveal that information to a fascinated audience, 1557 00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:24,300 what's the method for somebody volunteering for that? 1558 00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:29,300 They can either call the telephone number on our investigative agency website, 1559 00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:34,300 which is pallorium.com, P-A-L-L-O-R-I-U-M.com, 1560 00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:41,300 or they can send a direct email to me, rambam, R-A-M-B-A-M, at pallorium.com. 1561 00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:43,300 Cool. Thanks, Steve, for coming by. 1562 00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:45,300 And again, a couple of announcements. 1563 00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:48,300 The Hope Ride Board is now up and running. 1564 00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:52,300 If you are interested in sharing a car with somebody 1565 00:56:52,300 --> 00:56:56,300 or getting a ride from a particular part of the continent, 1566 00:56:56,300 --> 00:57:01,300 just go to our website, www.hope.net. 1567 00:57:01,300 --> 00:57:03,300 You should see a link there. 1568 00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:07,300 Actually, there's a link from the main 2600 page to the Hope Ride Board. 1569 00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:09,300 It's actually part of our wiki, 1570 00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:12,300 and you can just post all sorts of information. 1571 00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:16,300 So hopefully you can get a ride that way if that's what you're looking for. 1572 00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:19,300 Also, if you're interested in being a vendor at 2600, 1573 00:57:19,300 --> 00:57:21,300 the vendor tables have now opened up. 1574 00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:26,300 You can mail vendors at 2600.com if you need more information about that. 1575 00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:30,300 And we'll be having a whole lot of different people, different organizations, 1576 00:57:30,300 --> 00:57:33,300 peddling their wares in various ways. 1577 00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:37,300 And again, of course, the Hope Network will be bigger than ever before, 1578 00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:39,300 and we'll have more speakers than ever before. 1579 00:57:39,300 --> 00:57:41,300 It's going to be a whole lot of fun. 1580 00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:42,300 Remember to register. 1581 00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:45,300 Don't forget, because prices go up after pre-registration. 1582 00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:48,300 www.hope.net, all the information is there. 1583 00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:50,300 That's it for us this week. 1584 00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:52,300 We're pretty much out of time. 1585 00:57:52,300 --> 00:57:54,300 So we'll be back again next week with all sorts of other updates 1586 00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:56,300 on what's been going on in the world. 1587 00:57:56,300 --> 00:58:01,300 Whatever it may be, however bad it might get, try to remain positive. 1588 00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:02,300 Good night. 1589 00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:05,300 No! 1590 00:58:05,300 --> 00:58:07,300 I want y'all to check this out. 1591 00:58:07,300 --> 00:58:09,300 Yes. 1592 00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:13,300 Yes. 1593 00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:14,300 Yes. 1594 00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:18,300 No. 1595 00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:19,300 Yes. 1596 00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:23,300 Yes. 1597 00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:24,300 Yes. 1598 00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:26,300 Yes. 1599 00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:28,300 Yes. 1600 00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:29,300 Yes. 1601 00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:30,300 Yes. 1602 00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:31,300 Yes. 1603 00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:32,300 Yes. 1604 00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:34,300 Yes. 1605 00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:36,300 No. 1606 00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:37,300 Yes! 1607 00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:40,300 No, no, no, no. 1608 00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:43,300 Some say I'm negative, but then I'm positive. 1609 00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:45,300 Some say I'm negative, but then I'm positive. 1610 00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:48,300 Some say I'm negative, but then I'm positive. 1611 00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:50,300 Some say I'm negative, but then I'm positive. 1612 00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:53,300 Some say I'm negative, but then I'm positive. 1613 00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:55,300 Some say I'm negative, but then I'm positive. 1614 00:58:55,300 --> 00:58:58,300 Some say I'm negative, but then I'm positive. 1615 00:58:58,300 --> 00:58:58,800 I'm negative 1616 00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,300 Negative 1617 00:58:59,300 --> 00:58:59,800 Negative 1618 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:00,300 Negative 1619 00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:00,800 Yes 1620 00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:04,800 No 1621 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:05,300 Yes 1622 00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:09,800 Yes 1623 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:10,300 Yes 1624 00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:13,300 It's okay to say no 1625 00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:14,300 Say no 1626 00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:14,800 No 1627 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:15,300 Yes 1628 00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:19,800 No 1629 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:20,300 Yes 1630 00:59:20,300 --> 00:59:23,300 It's okay to say no 1631 00:59:23,300 --> 00:59:24,300 No 1632 00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:25,300 Yes 1633 00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:27,300 Learn how to say no 1634 00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:27,800 No 1635 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:28,800 Loud and clear 1636 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:29,800 Yes 1637 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:42,800 No 1638 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:45,800 No 1639 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:50,800 No 1640 00:59:58,800 --> 00:59:59,800 Some say I'm negative 1641 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,300 But then a positive 1642 01:00:01,300 --> 01:00:01,800 Some say I'm negative 1643 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,800 But then a positive 1644 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:04,800 Some say I'm negative 1645 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:05,800 But then a positive 1646 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:06,800 Some say I'm negative 1647 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:07,300 No 1648 01:00:07,300 --> 01:00:07,800 Negative 1649 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:08,300 No 1650 01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:09,800 Some say I'm negative 1651 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:10,800 But then a positive 1652 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:11,800 Some say I'm negative 1653 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,300 But then a positive 1654 01:00:13,300 --> 01:00:14,800 Some say I'm negative 1655 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:15,300 But then a positive 1656 01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:15,800 Some say I'm 1657 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:16,300 No 1658 01:00:16,300 --> 01:00:16,800 No 1659 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:17,800 Yes 1660 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:18,800 Yes 1661 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:20,300 Say no 1662 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:22,300 Yes 1663 01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:22,800 Yes 1664 01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,800 Say no 1665 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,800 And one home to tell your mom or dad. 1666 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:28,800 Yes! 1667 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,800 It's okay to say no. 1668 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:31,800 No. 1669 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,800 Thank you. 1670 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:33,800 No. 1671 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:34,800 Yes! 1672 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:35,800 Say no. 1673 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,800 One yes, yes, yes. 1674 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:38,800 Yes! 1675 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,800 It's okay to say no. 1676 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:41,800 No. 1677 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:42,800 Thank you. 1678 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:43,800 No. 1679 01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:44,800 Yes! 1680 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:45,800 No! 1681 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:46,800 Yes! 1682 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:47,800 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. 1683 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:48,800 Ha, ha. 1684 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:49,800 Ha, ha. 1685 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:50,800 Ha, ha. 1686 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:51,800 Ha, ha. 1687 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:52,800 Ha, ha. 1688 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:53,800 Ha, ha. 1689 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:54,800 Ha, ha. 1690 01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:55,800 Ha, ha. 1691 01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:56,800 Ha, ha. 1692 01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:57,800 Ha, ha. 1693 01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:58,800 Ha, ha. 1694 01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:59,800 Ha, ha. 1695 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:00,800 Ha, ha. 1696 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:01,800 Ha, ha. 1697 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:02,800 Ha, ha. 1698 01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:03,800 Ha, ha. 1699 01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:04,800 Ha, ha. 1700 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:05,800 Ha, ha. 1701 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:06,800 Ha, ha. 1702 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:07,800 Ha, ha. 1703 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:08,800 Ha, ha. 1704 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:09,800 Ha, ha. 1705 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:10,800 Ha, ha. 1706 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:11,800 Ha, ha. 1707 01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:12,800 Ha, ha. 1708 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:13,800 Ha, ha. 1709 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:14,800 Ha, ha. 1710 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:15,800 Ha, ha. 1711 01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:16,800 Ha, ha. 1712 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:17,800 Ha, ha. 1713 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:18,800 Ha, ha. 1714 01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:19,800 Ha, ha.