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Mohamed Harkat, recently transferred to a special facility dubbed Guantanamo North near

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Kingston, Ontario, are on a hunger strike which began three weeks ago. Mona Elfouly,

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the wife of security certificate detainee Mohamed Mahjoub, explains the toll that her

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husband's action has taken on her family.

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And you're listening to Radio Station WBAI. The news will be repeated tonight at 11 o'clock.

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So if you want to hear the rest, please tune in then. It's time now for Off The Hook.

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I hope that's understood.

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And a very good evening to everybody. The program is Off The Hook. Emmanuel Goldstein

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here with you on this Wednesday evening. We're joined tonight by Jim.

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Happy Flag Day.

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Is it Flag Day?

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It is.

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Okay, the flag of your choice, I guess. Mike.

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I don't really care for flags.

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Okay, well then this is not the day for you. Redbird.

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Good evening.

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Walter.

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Hi.

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Arseny.

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Hi.

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And Redhacked.

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Hello.

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Here in the studio. Bernie S. joins us from down in Philadelphia.

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No flags for me.

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Okay, well I guess it's not as much of a holiday as it used to be. But we're here as we are

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every Wednesday night talking about high technology and the various changes and things that have

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been taking place in the world of computers, telephones, freedom of speech, loss of freedom

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of speech, that kind of thing. We'll also be talking a little bit about the upcoming

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Hope Conference coming up in just over a month's time, July 21st, 22nd, and 23rd. We actually

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were over at the hotel a little bit earlier today and wandering around, checking out some

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of the spaces. They had a big party over there too for the clients. We're clients apparently.

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And for all the clients. All these people are going over there now and getting completely

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smashed and we couldn't do it because we had to be on the air.

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You know, the sacrifices that you make.

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I make so many sacrifices. Everything happens on Wednesday night. You know that. Everything

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happens.

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Only some things.

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Well, this show is one of the things that happens and hopefully that's an attraction.

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One of the better things, some people say.

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I like to think so. I do. Okay, I have some good news that I'd like to read to people

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and maybe we can celebrate together. Congratulations to the members of the House of Representatives

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who voted down net neutrality regulations the other day. Despite a considerable volume

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of misleading rhetoric from proponents of neutrality legislation, House members were

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able to see the provisions for what they were, a regulatory power grab that would have made

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the disastrous error of putting the federal government in charge of managing Internet

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traffic. A new neutrality regime would have restricted consumer choice, which while dramatically

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reducing the financial incentives of telecommunications companies to make the massive investments

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needed to upgrade and expand the nation's IT infrastructure.

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Hold on, hold on. Let me celebrate a little bit.

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A market in which Internet service providers aren't allowed to prioritize the content traveling

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over their networks is one with less innovation and fewer benefits for everyone involved.

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But, yeah.

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Now, hold on, hold on. Despite the defeat in the House, which was a milestone for those

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of us interested in competition and freedom, yes, there are still multiple net neutrality

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proposals currently under consideration in the Senate. With any luck, the resounding

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defeat of the recent neutrality legislation will send the correct signal to senators that

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this is a losing issue, both economically and politically. Now, does somebody have something

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that they wish to say against Jim?

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My head is about to explode because, you know, I am a capitalist and I have to actually go

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against what seems to be the capitalist thrust here. Wait a moment. Aren't we for net neutrality?

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Aren't we for keeping the ISPs and the telecoms from saying, well, you know, Google pays us

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a billion a year and you pay us a buck fifty. No one will be able to get you. I mean, aren't

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we against that?

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I guess, Jim, you just have to sort of define who we is.

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We is are.

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I've lost. I'm sorry. Somebody help.

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No, I think that's exactly what happened. Is there any indication of how much it lost

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By a lot. I mean, this is something that happened a few days ago. Actually, RedHack, you've

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concept, I think, voting on it. I think that's really the basis of it.

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I don't think that's correct. I think that people precisely do understand the issue.

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And the issue is that the telecommunications firms and who's the press released by? The

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Competitive Enterprise Institute?

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I didn't believe I was reading this from my own heart. This was, yeah, the Competitive

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Enterprise Institute, www.cei.org. It might as well be ceo.org.

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perfectly clear what their position is, and I think the representatives are fully aware

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that they're voting in line with the corporate interests, and that's what they want to do.

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and they've very competently done exactly, I think, what they set out to do.

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They understand that aspect of it. Do you think they really understand the technical

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aspects of what net neutrality really is and what it really means? Because I think that

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goes well over the heads of most people in the House.

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like a public group? There was this website about net neutrality.

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principles of free enterprise and limited government.

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Right. Backed by the telecom companies, I'm sure.

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I think it's the same. It had this nice little flash animation that basically told you

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why these people who were pushing net neutrality were evil.

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Well, maybe for the benefit of listeners, we should explain just what net neutrality

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actually is, just so that people don't panic. I was only reading this. I don't believe

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what I was reading. I was just trying to get into the part. It's a very bad thing to

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defeat net neutrality, I think. Bernie, do you have more information on what it's

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all about?

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Coming from the neutrality regime myself, I think net neutrality is a very good idea.

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I don't want large corporations dictating what information I have access to. If I pay

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for internet access, I want access to the whole internet, not just the part the corporations

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want me to get access to.

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From a technical perspective, it's like quality of service controls at the ISP level

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that are defined by how much the ISPs are being paid by corporate entities who want

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to prioritize their traffic over other traffic.

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How do you confront somebody who says that this is all about competition and what the

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market will bear?

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It's not about competition if you have corporations who already have the funding

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for this sort of thing. For example, a lot of innovation occurs in startup companies

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who just would not have the funding to pay for this. It's silly anyway. The internet

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is totally founded on principles that are against this.

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That was ages ago. We've grown out of that, haven't we? Now we're into the might

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makes right mentality. I saw this being reported on many, many different outlets. Almost

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without fail, they were saying, this is a victory for the consumer. They sort of tied

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it into, now you can watch cable TV over your phone line, that whole thing that has been

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going on for how many years now. Somehow, this has been equated with giving you more

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freedom in that particular way.

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I don't think we've quite given a straight answer as to what net neutrality is yet.

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Basically, it's the websites that want their content delivered faster with better

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service would pay the ISPs or the telecom companies money so that their content would

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be delivered quicker. Say Google would give them a million dollars or more than that

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to have their content delivered in a better fashion than Joe has his own company.

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You've described precisely the opposite of net neutrality.

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It's not having that.

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Sorry about that.

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that a billion people hit, you should pay more. Well, the point of the fact is that

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if you have a hot website that a billion people hit, you do pay more.

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get a lot of traffic, you do have to pay for it. The hosting service will insist on it.

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They'll bill you on bits per day, bits per hour or whatever.

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Well, I actually have a couple of things to say, but what Jim is saying is kind of wrong

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because even if your site gets a million hits, your site will actually run better

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than someone else's site, even if that other site also gets a million hits.

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than this other site, even if they're getting a million hits.

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I have a website and I run it on a pretty cheap host, $7 a month.

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It doesn't run as fast as if I paid more money, just because I guess these servers aren't that good.

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because even these startup companies, they just get venture capital funding,

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and that's like millions of dollars, and then they can just pay this extra fee

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to get their content delivered a million times faster or whatever.

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I think you skewed a little bit from the point,

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which was that you would have to pay every individual ISP that's providing the content,

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which would be, for example, Verizon, maybe Cablevision, maybe Time Warner.

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They would all be separately paid for prioritizing traffic.

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I'm sure they would come up with a clearinghouse because otherwise it would be totally unworkable.

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such that paying every ISP means writing five checks.

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It won't be that big a deal.

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And that's what's going to happen.

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The phone company and the cable company, despite all their talk of competition,

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they really want competition between the phone company and the cable company,

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not between anyone else.

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that if they start demanding payment legally, they can say,

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well, you know, we're not going to take your payment because somewhere on your site

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you have the lesbian freedom group of Girl Scout Troop 45, okay?

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We can't accept your money.

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Once you have that, you have censorship, okay?

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Bernie, yes.

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that we were hearing much in the media about the Telecommunications Act of 1996

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that was going to increase competition and lower your cable bill

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and all these other great things.

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Well, precisely the opposite happened,

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and these corporate spin doctors are really turning upside down the logic

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of the argument behind net neutrality as they did with the Telecommunications Act of 1996,

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which allowed nearly unlimited ownership of TV and radio stations

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compared to the limited, you know, the corporations could only own,

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one company could only own so many radio and TV stations in each market.

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with the media consolidation becoming so, so much greater

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with so many large companies owning so much more of,

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controlling so much more of the content that each of us hear.

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both from a spin standpoint and from corporations dictating

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what content we're going to be able to access.

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so-called features of this law called COPE,

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which did pass the House but not yet the Senate.

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They include drastic cuts to public access funding.

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so that telecommunications firms will be able to do perverse things

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I saw at least one written summary of what this actually means in a newspaper

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and they were kind of giving a scenario in the future

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where everybody is using connectivity in some way.

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Little Jimmy is playing a video game in his room.

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Susie is using voiceover IP to report a burglar breaking into her room.

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Why? Because the new Britney Spears album just got released on the internet

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and everybody is going to get it at once

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and all the connectivity has somehow disappeared

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because of all this massive rush of traffic to one location.

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Net neutrality though, the loss of net neutrality,

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will keep that from happening because certain things will be prioritized

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such as 9-1-1 and important things that you want to keep up

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despite the fact that something else might be more popular.

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I'm reading this and I'm realizing most people are going to buy this.

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Most people are going to think that this is actually protecting them

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from something when in actuality it's bringing them into something really bad.

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Emmanuel, you bring up an interesting point

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and that is government websites and government services like 9-1-1,

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like the girl calling to report a burglar in her house over a voiceover IP phone line.

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What is the government going to do?

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I would predict that if net neutrality is defeated

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and corporations are allowed to dictate the priority of the content you receive

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that they route to you,

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what is the government going to do when they want to get their message out?

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Are they going to say, no, this only applies to commercial sites.

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The government sites must have first priority.

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It's going to have to happen with voiceover IP for 9-1-1 services.

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We know that's going to be dictated.

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What's going to happen with government information sources?

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They're certainly not going to want to take a backseat.

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Right now they have an equal seat with everyone else.

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This opens up so many cans of worms that it's hard to go into them all.

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I don't think it's going to be very hard for the government to just insert something saying,

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yeah, we get priority over everything,

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and I don't think anyone's really going to argue with that,

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certainly not the massive corporations that have just gotten a big favor from them.

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I don't want government to have a priority access to delivering content to me

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over the content that I would like to receive.

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Bernie, what made you think this was about what you want?

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Clearly it's not.

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There is one small opportunity here.

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If government is given priority across the board,

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we should go somewhere and form a little city, incorporate.

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That sounds like a fun thing to do.

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The unfortunate thing about this also is because of the concentration of so many servers

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and infrastructure in the United States, this isn't just going to affect us.

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This affects everybody.

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This is going to affect the whole world, the whole Internet.

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Which must be not sitting well with most of the world as usual.

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That's nothing new.

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Okay, so now I see most people as not really caring.

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Obviously most people really don't because they don't about most things.

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But how should we convince people, say, just living a normal life,

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whatever that might be, that this is going to affect them?

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Not someone who has no money at all, who wants to run a website

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and compete with some other entity and get people to connect to it.

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The average person who doesn't have to really struggle that much,

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is this going to affect them in a bad way?

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I take it from the silence that it's not.

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It's unfortunate that these issues sometimes are not easily explainable in a sound bite.

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Therefore, this is where corporations tend to rule in situations where it's not a simple explanation

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that you can do in five words or less.

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That people realize really what's in their best interest.

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And really we need to make people aware of the fact they should call their senators,

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because this is not passed through the Senate yet.

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The House has already passed it.

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People should call their senators.

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There's only two senators in every state.

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People should be able to find out who their senators are,

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call them or write to them and say,

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listen, we really need net neutrality.

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I don't want corporations deciding the priority of the content that I consume.

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I think Arsene, you're going to try for five words.

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Okay, I'm going to try.

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It's not going to be five words, but I'm going to try.

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I'm thinking that a lot of people use things like BitTorrent,

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because it takes up like 30% of internet traffic nowadays.

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And potentially, ISPs could just put these BitTorrent servers down in the lower somewhere

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and put the corporate servers, give them higher priority.

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So potentially, like piracy would really get pushed down.

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Wait, you're using that as a good example.

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But that's what common people use the internet for, don't you think?

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Okay, you're appealing to pirates. All right, fine.

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Well, I'm appealing to people that like to listen to the music before they buy it.

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Most people are not going to use defensive piracy, though,

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as a legitimate reason to preserve something.

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I'm saying when you try to explain this to laymen.

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Yeah, okay.

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Currently, the way it works is that all information is basically freely—

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Sorry. All information is weighted the same.

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Yeah.

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So whether it's your write-up on something that you think is important, your views,

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or it's some corporate website proclaiming their views,

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it all gets—if somebody wants it, they can get it in the same fashion

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and the same kind of time and speed, and everyone can get access to it.

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So without net neutrality, this would kind of be more controlled.

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So you say, well, it might slow down how fast you get the information.

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It could also cut it off completely.

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They might decide, well, we don't like that viewpoint because that website's against our company.

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So let's not let it through or let it go to crawl.

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Or could it also—

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Very, very small trickle.

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Could it also affect people in a particular country?

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Let's say two countries have a spat or governments disagree on something,

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and all of a sudden we say, oh, well, you know, this country is not paying an extra fee,

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so we're going to put them at the lowest possible priority.

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All of a sudden the citizens of those two countries cannot communicate at all

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because the net traffic is not being routed.

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You can easily extend the BitTorrent example to, you know,

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common legal uses of peer-to-peer sharing software.

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For example, a lot of our listeners, I'm sure, use open source software.

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And so let's say the latest, you know, such and such Linux distribution is out

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and you want to download the ISO or something, you know,

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which could be a 500-meg file, which could be a 2-gig file, you know,

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and you want to have that the same day it comes out.

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Well, it might go from taking a couple of hours to download

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to taking a week or two weeks to download

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because that traffic is obviously not in corporate interest

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and nobody is paying to prioritize that.

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So that could go down, you know.

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Any downloads where people are expecting, you know, free open source software,

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that's, I'm sure, going to be at the low end of the priority list.

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Let's just look at something.

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Obviously this could never happen in this country.

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But in one of those other countries where freedom of speech is under attack,

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there could be a situation.

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Hey, wait.

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Quiet, Mike.

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There could be a situation where you're criticizing the government

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and basically the government is able to cut off everybody

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who they put on a particular list or everybody from a particular region

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or something like that,

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and all of a sudden they are not able to communicate via the internet.

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Or if they are, it's extremely slowly.

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Basically just strangling any kind of opposition.

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The instruments to do this are being laid out for you with this loss of net neutrality.

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Now, okay, it might not affect you and your perceived notions

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of what the U.S. is going towards,

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but it will affect many, many people throughout the world.

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And it seems like the way that customers receive, you know,

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telephony services and other services,

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they're all being routed now through, you know, the internet.

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It's all becoming IP traffic.

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It's no longer becoming landlines that are directly connected.

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I mean it's not merely theoretical that other countries would select

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what traffic goes through and what doesn't based on their political preferences.

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I mean it happens in the most populous country on earth.

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One of the heretofore nice things about the United States

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is that it hasn't been happening here.

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Right.

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Okay.

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We'd like your opinions on this.

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And call us in just a little bit.

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We'll be taking phone calls.

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The phone number for later is 212-209-2900.

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Here's another interesting story.

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The creators of an anti-war website,

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West Point Grads Against the War,

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are facing off with the U.S. Military Academy at West Point

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after the academy claimed the site violated trademark laws.

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That's right.

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The site was founded by Jim Ryan, Bill Cross, and Joe Walshick

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after the three 1962 graduates became troubled by how President Bush

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was handling the war in Iraq.

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We three founding fathers became increasingly concerned

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with the continuing lies of the Bush administration

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and the continuing pattern of escalating behavior with Iran and Iraq, Ryan said.

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John Ward, a trademark attorney working on the case for the website,

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said that Ryan received a letter from Lori Dougherty,

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an attorney for the Military Academy in April,

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stating that the term West Point needed to be taken off the site.

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She said, they're using the name without permission,

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it's unlawful use, they're creating confusion,

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and they have to stop using the name

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because they're violating federal trademark laws.

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It's amazing.

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They claim, Lieutenant Colonel Kent Casella,

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who's an academy spokesperson, says,

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it was never about the content.

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There are folks out there who are trying to make it a political issue.

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No, we would have sent the exact same letter

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to the website West Point Grads for the war.

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She added, the academy works hard to protect the First Amendment.

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And here we go.

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That's what we teach here.

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In fact, all of us wearing the uniform hold our hand up

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and swear to defend that right to the death if necessary.

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And by criticizing us, you might as well be a godless communist

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because obviously you don't subscribe to that theory.

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After some correspondence between lawyers from both sides,

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West Point proposed a settlement that Ryan and his co-creators rejected.

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The terms of the settlement were that the site's creators

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would obtain a written license agreement with the academy

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and would also have to place a disclaimer on the site saying

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it was not affiliated with West Point.

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The purpose of the disclaimer is to prevent confusion by the public

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because West Point's argument is that the site is causing confusion.

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People will see the use of the term West Point and say,

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well, you must be associated with the school.

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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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That a school of military cadets is going to be against the war.

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That makes all the sense in the world.

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He says, the lawyer says,

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our client said they did not want to put up a disclaimer

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because there's no possibility that someone would be confused on this point.

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But mostly, the site's creators have the right to call themselves

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West Point graduates because they are West Point graduates.

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That's really where this whole thing should have ended.

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The academy also said on television when this story broke

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that they trademarked the name about three or four years ago

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and that the only way you could use West Point something,

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like West Point Cleaners, West Point Grocery,

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was if you were in a place where geographically the town or the area

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or some geographical feature was called West Point.

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But if you're a human being and you're a West Point graduate,

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you're not a trademarkable location.

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No, I agree with that.

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But there's yet another subtler way around this copyright issue.

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Have three other websites, East Point graduates,

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North Point graduates, and South Point graduates.

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You are going so well there for a second.

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People pointing north, people pointing east,

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people pointing south, and people pointing west.

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So you just want to abandon the original defense,

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which is perfectly sound in and of itself, that they are West Point graduates.

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If that one fails, you have something to fall back on.

431
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This is the common mistake that a lot of people that are on this radio show

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have made before, which was the thinking that if you can only trap the law

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in a logical inconsistency, then suddenly you win.

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But it doesn't actually work that way.

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No, no, it doesn't, because they just rewrite the law if they have to,

436
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and you lose anyway, and then you lose your original point.

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Well, with net neutrality not passing,

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eventually they won't have to worry about copyrighted trademark infringement here.

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You know, one thing they didn't give here was a URL for the website.

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It's westpointgradsagainstthewar, but obviously that's not the website,

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unless that's .com or something.

442
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I don't know.

443
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Maybe somebody can tell us what it is.

444
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I'd sure like to know.

445
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But, boy, yeah, those kind of fights are still going on.

446
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Okay, we mentioned our email address, othat2600.com,

447
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and, of course, we appreciate people writing in to us

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and sending us all kinds of correspondence,

449
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and we'd like you to do the same.

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You can also send us paper mail.

451
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Is everybody here?

452
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Okay, good.

453
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Paper mail and the address to send us paper mail through the U.S. mail is

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Bernie, you ready?

455
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Okay, I don't know.

456
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I can get in on this if you want me to.

457
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You should get in on this, actually,

458
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but let's see if we can get through it ourselves first.

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It's off the hook, care of WBAI, 120 Wall Street.

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New York, New York.

461
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No, you jumped the gun.

462
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It's my fault now.

463
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You jumped the gun, and you were so new to the part, too.

464
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I'm going to just start again because we haven't done this in a while.

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Off the hook, care of WBAI, 120 Wall Street.

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Tenth floor, New York, New York.

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1-0-0-0-5.

468
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Did I give you both New Yorks or just one New York?

469
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I think I gave you just one New York.

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I think it was supposed to flow smoothly.

471
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Because I don't have a part.

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I don't have a part after I say 120 Wall Street.

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I think you should give each person one syllable,

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and we can just go around the room.

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You have plenty of parts.

476
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:06,080
Yeah, but I wrote it.

477
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,080
I think instead we should do it in harmony.

478
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,080
That way we can do all the lyrics.

479
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,080
We can't even do it in order.

480
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,080
We can each do all the lyrics in different parts.

481
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,080
All right, so now we're going to read some of the letters.

482
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,080
O-T-H at 2600.com.

483
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,080
Oh, by the way, speaking of U.S. mail.

484
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,080
You know, we don't get any mail anymore.

485
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,080
What do you mean we don't get any mail anymore?

486
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,080
I just looked in the mailbox.

487
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,080
There was no mail there.

488
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,080
Really?

489
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,080
There was a thing there.

490
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,080
This is probably people are confused by all the chaos.

491
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,080
Well, send mail, and we can test it that way.

492
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,080
All right.

493
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,080
But speaking of U.S. mail, guess what has started to arrive?

494
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,080
My postcards from Cuba finally are making their way to people's hands.

495
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,080
They checked for microfiche.

496
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,080
One person has gotten theirs.

497
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,080
My aunt got hers.

498
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,080
So I don't know if anybody else did.

499
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,080
I sent a lot.

500
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,080
So it's one time I sent a lot of postcards.

501
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,080
And it was over a month ago from a country that's 80 miles away.

502
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,080
And the weird thing is the one that showed up didn't have any postmarks on it.

503
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,080
It was like somebody just brought it to her.

504
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,080
The swimmer got washed away.

505
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,080
Who knows?

506
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,080
Who knows?

507
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,080
Okay, here's a letter from a listener.

508
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,080
This comes from Gary.

509
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,080
In the old days, this is in response to the person with the ringer problems on their old telephone.

510
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,080
In the old days, telcos could detect the amount of phones on the line by detecting the ringers.

511
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,080
Since bell charged per phone, one would simply disconnect the ringer,

512
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,080
and the phone company couldn't tell.

513
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,080
You might want to check to see if the ringer is connected.

514
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,080
On some phones, the ringer was connected to green and yellow.

515
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,080
A jumper from yellow to red was required to place the bell across the line.

516
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Another possibility is how many phones are across the phone line.

517
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,080
Since the phone company ringing current is very small,

518
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:43,080
too many ringers could cause overloading and prevent the ringers from ringing.

519
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,080
Good suggestions here.

520
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,080
So hopefully that person will have their phone ringing before they know it.

521
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,080
Or maybe it's just broken.

522
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,080
Maybe it's broken too.

523
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,080
Bernie, yes?

524
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:58,080
I've got to say that if you look on any phone, any FCC-approved telephone,

525
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,080
you'll see a rating.

526
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,080
It'll say how many Rs.

527
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,080
It's an R rating for your phone.

528
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,080
R-rated phones.

529
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,080
My goodness.

530
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,080
All phones are R-rated.

531
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:15,080
And typically they're like 0.something, 0.some digit R.

532
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:20,080
And the R is the value of one R is one electromechanical ringer

533
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:27,080
in the old Series 500 phone sets that we played on during the pledge drive.

534
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,080
So if your phone is a 0.1 R, that means it only consumes one-tenth

535
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,080
the amount of electrical current than an electromechanical ringer in an old phone.

536
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,080
So it's just interesting.

537
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,080
Take a look at your phone sometime, any landline phone,

538
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,080
and you'll see on the FCC notice the ringer rating,

539
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,080
and you'll know how much current it consumes compared to an electromechanical ringer.

540
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,080
Is this on new phones as well or just the old phones?

541
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,080
All phones.

542
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,080
All phones.

543
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,080
It came out since it was legal to connect your own phone equipment to the network,

544
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,080
which I think was like 1984 and 1985.

545
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,080
Okay.

546
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,080
You mentioned on your show that legislation is in the works to require ISPs

547
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,080
to monitor their customers' traffic.

548
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,080
It is imperative that you tell your listeners about Tor, the Onion Router.

549
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,080
It is an online network where you route each other's traffic,

550
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,080
such that connections you make cannot be traced.

551
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,080
Specifically, it uses SOCKS to tunnel TCP connections through three other Tor nodes

552
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,080
and onto the Internet from a location other than that of the original user.

553
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,080
If Alice connects to 2600.com through Tor,

554
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,080
her connection bounces through two other nodes,

555
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,080
and then Bob, who bridges it onto the non-Tor Internet.

556
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:37,080
When it reaches 2600.com, 2600 server logs will have an entry for Bob accessing 2600.com,

557
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:42,080
but we'll have no idea who Alice is, what her IP is, FQDN, or anything else.

558
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,080
Tor is a free download from tor.eff.org and runs on Linux, Windows,

559
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,080
and I think even Mac is supported now too.

560
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,080
I run two Tor nodes, one for participating in the network as a server only

561
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,080
and one for using the Tor network for my outgoing web traffic,

562
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,080
and you can read a lot more at tor.eff.org.

563
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,080
Yes, Redbird.

564
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:08,080
It's actually a really nice concept, and it works, and I use it, and yada, yada, yada.

565
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,080
Things are going in the right direction, but it's really latent.

566
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:17,080
The latency is really, really high, and it makes browsing the web relatively painful,

567
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,080
but it is really good for anonymity.

568
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,080
It's also being used in an abusive way on IRC networks. I know that.

569
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Well, a lot of IRC networks are now blocking Tor nodes.

570
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,080
Why is it? If Tor is so great in the answer to all these problems, why are people blocking it?

571
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,080
Because you get people who want to do silly things on wherever they're connecting to,

572
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,080
and so they use Tor for that.

573
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,080
Unfortunately, it taints the whole network.

574
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,080
Basically, any Tor node gets blocked as a result of that,

575
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,080
and, yeah, that sure does taint the network.

576
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,080
You can't even have a chance to prove that you're not an idiot

577
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:53,080
because if you're coming from a Tor network, a Tor client, then you must be bad, apparently.

578
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,080
Workarounds for these proposed repressive laws are good,

579
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,080
but it would be even better if we don't get the repressive laws.

580
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,080
Absolutely.

581
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,080
And, unfortunately, Tor isn't really useful for traffic that needs to be there on time,

582
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,080
like streaming media and VOIP and stuff like that.

583
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,080
Yeah.

584
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,080
Okay, and we had a lot of mail about the numbers, obviously,

585
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,080
the mysterious numbers that we...

586
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,080
Another phone number showed up in the last week.

587
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,080
Did you guys hear about this one?

588
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,080
Bernie, did you hear about this one?

589
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,080
Is this the one in Chicago?

590
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,080
No, this is...

591
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,080
As you predicted?

592
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,080
No, actually, everybody was wrong, apparently.

593
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,080
It was supposed to be in Boston, 617, but it showed up, actually, in 678,

594
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,080
which I believe is Georgia?

595
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:41,080
And it was weird because it showed up in the Craigslist personals for that section as well,

596
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,080
but the actual personal ad was a little bit different this time.

597
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,080
It still greeted the person the same way.

598
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,080
What is it?

599
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,080
Mein Freunden?

600
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,080
Mein Freunden.

601
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,080
Yeah.

602
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,080
It basically said,

603
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,080
I hear the weather in the south is very nice this time of year.

604
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,080
Please call me.

605
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,080
And, you know, that kind of phrase is a little bit too well phrased, I think,

606
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,080
for it to be the same kind of phrase as the other ones,

607
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,080
which is please call me or it's been so long since I've spoken to you.

608
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:12,080
So it seems to me that that's either a fake or the person knows that everybody is following.

609
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,080
It's a fake fake number station.

610
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,080
Yeah.

611
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,080
So, yeah, another one showed up.

612
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,080
This one was shorter.

613
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,080
I don't think it's still up, but if you go to...

614
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,080
What's that site?

615
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,080
Homelandstupidity.us, I think that's the one, right?

616
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,080
They have all the number stations.

617
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,080
I'm still working on my own fake.

618
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,080
I'm making progress, but it's not launched yet.

619
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,080
Not number stations, number numbers, number phone numbers, yeah.

620
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,080
Yeah, yeah.

621
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:41,080
What we're talking about, we're talking about now three instances where this weird phone number has popped up,

622
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,080
you call it, and you hear some disembodied voice reading out numbers in series,

623
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,080
and we're trying to figure out what it means.

624
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,080
This listener says,

625
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:54,080
It reminds me of the VIC cipher once used by the Soviet Union because of its delivery and given information.

626
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,080
VIC is delivered in five-digit groupings.

627
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:03,080
The messages may be encrypted using mod 10 chain addition, straddling checkerboard, and some transpositions.

628
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,080
It's really wacky and almost impractical for pen and paper,

629
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,080
but a defected, not defected, not defective,

630
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:14,080
defected spy named Rhino Heihannan did confirm its use to the U.S.

631
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,080
You need a few things to decipher such a message.

632
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,080
One, the date of the message.

633
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,080
Two, a five-digit indicator group.

634
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,080
Three, a small personal number used to figure the transpositions.

635
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:30,080
Four, the first 20 letters of the beginning or chorus of a populist song.

636
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,080
One thing to consider may be the phone numbers themselves.

637
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,080
Of course, these could be a one-time pad or an impossible joke.

638
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,080
The fact that a short number is at the end of the message could be the personal number or some other hint.

639
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,080
The indicator group used to create the key usually involves the last digit of the date,

640
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,080
so the indicator group could be the sixth to last.

641
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,080
It just goes on and on with all these possibilities.

642
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:54,080
I think, actually, since this latest one was, I think, group 134, which was not an area code at all,

643
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:59,080
that the hint could be in that first segment that's spoken.

644
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,080
It always says a group number.

645
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,080
We used to think it was the next area code.

646
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,080
The first one was group 415.

647
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,080
The next one was group 617.

648
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,080
This one's group 134.

649
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:11,080
So maybe you apply that number somehow to the numbers that follow.

650
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,080
That's a possibility.

651
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,080
There's lots of possible algorithms, and it's hard to.

652
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,080
Yeah, but the thing that's weird about this, and the thing that leads me to believe that it is solvable,

653
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:25,080
is the fact that it's not like the stations that actually aired these numbers over shortwave

654
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,080
where they literally would be any number.

655
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,080
Here, every third number is a zero almost every single time,

656
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,080
except for a couple instances where it's a one.

657
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,080
On a new number as well?

658
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,080
Yeah.

659
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,080
So that tells me, and it's all divisible by three,

660
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:41,080
so that tells me that these are three-digit numbers of some sort that indicate something.

661
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,080
We've lost Bernie.

662
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,080
Bernie's gone.

663
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,080
Wait, every third letter without exception?

664
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,080
Every third number is a zero or a one, and only a couple of ones.

665
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,080
So that tells me that it's a two-digit number for all intents and purposes,

666
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,080
occasionally a three-digit number.

667
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,080
We just have to figure out what those numbers mean.

668
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,080
Which at first thought would maybe lead you to believe it's some kind of translation thing

669
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,080
and it falls within the ASCII character range or something like that,

670
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,080
but it's nothing obvious like that.

671
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,080
It's nothing obvious.

672
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,080
I've even written down some of the numbers and seen what follows them

673
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,080
to see if there's any kind of indication, like Q would always be followed by a U or something like that,

674
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,080
and there's nothing really substantive that shows up every time.

675
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,080
That's why I think that special number that's spoken at the beginning,

676
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,080
group 617, group 134, whatever,

677
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,080
I think that is the key to what you're supposed to do with the numbers.

678
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,080
Okay, maybe you could try Bernie again.

679
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,080
I'm sure he wants to continue talking to us.

680
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,080
I don't think he hung up in a huff.

681
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,080
Let's read this new letter here.

682
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,080
Dear Off the Hook,

683
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,080
First, I want to let you guys know that I love the show.

684
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,080
I live in Rhode Island, so the only way I can hear it is through the Internet.

685
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,080
That's actually not true.

686
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,080
If you knock off a couple of other radio stations along the way,

687
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,080
you could probably pick up our signal in Rhode Island.

688
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,080
There's one in Boston, country station in Boston at 99.5.

689
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,080
Get rid of them, you might hear us.

690
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,080
I'm just saying, you know, just putting it out there.

691
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,080
Anyway, I have an interesting article that I looked up

692
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,080
after I heard something similar on my local news station.

693
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,080
Texas is planning a $5 million program

694
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,080
that will install night vision enabled net cameras along the border

695
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,080
and will allow anyone with an Internet connection to monitor these cameras

696
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,080
and they will also have contact information

697
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,080
where the lawyers can call to report people crossing illegally into the U.S.

698
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,080
Unbelievable.

699
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,080
Keep up the work on the show.

700
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,080
I look forward to meeting you at Hope No. 6 in July.

701
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,080
But yeah, we're all turning into little big brothers here

702
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,080
because we can all watch each other and see if anybody's up to no good and report it.

703
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,080
It's like 1984.

704
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,080
It is.

705
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,080
What's different than 1984?

706
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,080
It's scarier.

707
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,080
They could combine it with that technology we heard about a year ago

708
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,080
and attach guns to it so you could actually shoot.

709
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,080
I'm amazed that somebody else here has come up with a responsible idea.

710
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,080
Wait, so they're admitting that there's too much to watch.

711
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,080
They don't have the resources to watch it, so they want us to watch it.

712
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,080
Well, they want to put us into the mentality of, yeah, this is a threat.

713
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,080
This is a danger.

714
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,080
We have to report all these people that have been doing this for so long.

715
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:03,080
And, you know, is this really the thing that we have to focus on more than anything?

716
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,080
I mean, yeah, if you're a hateful nationalist, I suppose it is.

717
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,080
But for the rest of us, there are other far more important things

718
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:15,080
like, you know, wars and plagues and pestilence and certain really nasty people.

719
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,080
But never mind.

720
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,080
Bernie, are you back?

721
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,080
I am.

722
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,080
Sprint just summarily dumped me, as it often does.

723
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,080
Sorry about that.

724
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,080
Well, maybe you didn't pay them a fee to keep your packets in order.

725
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:31,080
I didn't pay them the extra fee for prioritizing my packet

726
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:36,080
as opposed to the net neutrality model where all packets are treated equally.

727
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,080
We're going to be listening to the archives in like five years and crying over our jokes about this.

728
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:45,080
We better download them because we might not be able to access them then if we don't pay the fee.

729
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,080
Bernie, are you ready to watch for Mexicans on the Internet and report them when you see them?

730
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,080
No.

731
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,080
You know, it's not my job.

732
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:57,080
And, you know, I think it's just really silly.

733
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:03,080
And as Redberg pointed out, what, is the government admitting that it can't watch the borders?

734
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,080
I mean, the government needs to decide whether it wants to watch the borders or not

735
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,080
and whether it wants to enforce what borders should mean.

736
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,080
And if they don't want to do that, then, you know, don't make me do that unless you're going to pay me to do it.

737
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,080
And, frankly, I'd rather have another job anyway.

738
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,080
I saw a very patriotic story on the news a few weeks ago.

739
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,080
Are you putting patriotic in quotes or how you?

740
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,080
Go ahead.

741
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,080
Sure.

742
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:29,080
About this group that was going out and there was a gap in the fence at the border.

743
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,080
So they were going to put one in themselves.

744
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,080
Put a fence in?

745
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,080
Put a fence in.

746
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,080
Okay.

747
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:40,080
To connect parts of the or to actually didn't connect either end of the gap, but they made it a little more wall just to make sure.

748
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,080
How do they know exactly where the border is?

749
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,080
They just assume it's the point between?

750
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,080
It's along a line of latitude.

751
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,080
Okay.

752
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,080
How about this?

753
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,080
How about.

754
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,080
Most of the way.

755
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,080
All right.

756
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,080
Since we can't help the Mexicans any other way, how about we give them a little bit of land?

757
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,080
We see a point like that and we just sort of make the fence go up and over a little bit.

758
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:09,080
And everybody's going to assume, yeah, that's Mexico because the fence goes up and there's this extra acre of land that for some reason, there must be some kind of border dispute from 100 years ago, was given to them.

759
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:14,080
And if you build the fence and you build it a little bit off, you're giving Mexico more land.

760
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,080
Think about it.

761
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,080
The fence wasn't very good either, but it made them feel like they were doing something for their country.

762
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,080
Yeah.

763
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,080
There's a lot more they could be doing.

764
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,080
Once they take an acre, what's to stop them?

765
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,080
I won't continue.

766
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,080
Yeah.

767
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,080
Might as well.

768
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,080
Might as well just go on.

769
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,080
It's for the best.

770
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,080
Okay.

771
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,080
What else?

772
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,080
Greetings.

773
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,080
I'm a new listener of Off the Hook.

774
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:41,080
I've been listening to the past broadcasts on my iPod everywhere, at the gym, at home, at work, while driving.

775
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,080
Be careful while driving.

776
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,080
That's all good.

777
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,080
Because sometimes we say things that make people swerve off the road.

778
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:52,080
Every Wednesday, I hear through reports on the way home from the news station about people who have swerved because they heard something.

779
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,080
And it's always between 7 and 8.

780
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,080
And I feel guilty.

781
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,080
What can we do?

782
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,080
It's not true.

783
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,080
You do not feel guilty in the slightest.

784
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,080
I'm trying to give a persona of caring here.

785
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,080
I find many topics covered intriguing.

786
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,080
I wish to give a few brief comments on some things, if I may.

787
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:16,080
I think it's very important that Off the Hook continues to archive and reference past recordings, past broadcasts.

788
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:22,080
More people need to do this to see how our rights and liberties have been threatened in the past and how we have defeated them and can do it again.

789
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:29,080
You brought up the phenomenon that people are not screaming and yelling about the NSA wiretapping and other such losses of liberty.

790
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,080
They have become complacent.

791
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:37,080
And instead of becoming active in fighting this atrocity, they are, in a way, giving the government the green light to walk all over us.

792
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,080
Amen.

793
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:45,080
On the topic of E-ZPass, the reason the speed limit is 15 miles per hour, at least here in Massachusetts, is for the safety of the toll plaza staff.

794
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,080
Our plazas are 30-plus years old.

795
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:52,080
And depending on the configuration of the lanes, employees sometimes have to walk across traffic and across a fast lane or E-ZPass lane.

796
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,080
I say build bridges.

797
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,080
Then they don't have to worry about that.

798
00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:03,080
On the topic of driver's license barcode scanning, I once had my ID scanned at a liquor store and got the same response.

799
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,080
Scanning is a validation method.

800
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:12,080
This can be circumvented by using a passport in which stores have no way to scan the numbers at the bottom or befriend the owner of another store.

801
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,080
On the topic of RFID, more people should be concerned about this new spying method.

802
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:22,080
When the story broke last year that a company began implanting chips into employees for purposes of ID, I was horrified.

803
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,080
What will be next?

804
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,080
Big Brother is reaching his arms ever so much further, and we seem to be blind to it.

805
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:33,080
I recently came across a very interesting site that talked about RFIDs being implanted in U.S. currency.

806
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:38,080
I don't know if you have covered this in the past, but the site suggested if you were to microwave a $20 bill,

807
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:43,080
Jefferson's right eye will explode where the RFID is located.

808
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,080
We've covered that.

809
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,080
It's actually not true, is it?

810
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,080
Did you microwave a bill for a long period of time?

811
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,080
I think, Bernie, you did this, right?

812
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,080
Yes, I experimented.

813
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,080
By the way, Jefferson is not even on a $20 bill.

814
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,080
Well, maybe you'll find him.

815
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,080
You'll see where it exploded, and then you'll say, oh, there's Jefferson.

816
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,080
He's a little tiny person in the background.

817
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,080
I actually put some 20s in a microwave, and nothing unusual happened.

818
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,080
It was just they just sort of got hot.

819
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:14,080
So it's a bogus, one of these Internet urban myths kind of thing.

820
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,080
Well, maybe your microwave—

821
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,080
Did you put the match under his eye?

822
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,080
Yeah, your microwave might not be all it could be.

823
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,080
It's bogus.

824
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:28,080
This listener has not been listening to all the episodes of Off the Hook because he would also know that I had listened.

825
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:34,080
If he had listened, he'd known that I had tried using a passport at a liquor store here in Philadelphia

826
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:40,080
and got away with it, and they didn't know how to scan it, and therefore my identity was in the computer.

827
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,080
So this is old news.

828
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,080
He should be listening more often to the archives.

829
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,080
You really expect people to listen to every single show before they even write a letter?

830
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,080
We've been on the air since 1988, for God's sake.

831
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,080
They can buy the CD set, the DVD set, the audio set.

832
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,080
Okay, not a fundraiser.

833
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,080
This is your summer project.

834
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,080
Listen to all the shows.

835
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,080
They still cannot download them into their heads and memorize everything that's said.

836
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,080
Bernie, not even I have listened to every episode.

837
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,080
In New York, scanning licenses are anonymous as far as I understand because there are two barcodes,

838
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:12,080
one with your age and one with all the information, presumably for law enforcement.

839
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,080
I wouldn't know.

840
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,080
My license is one of the older ones.

841
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,080
No, that has it, too.

842
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,080
Does it really?

843
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:24,080
You have the 2D barcode at the bottom, and then you have one at the top that is just a regular.

844
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,080
If there was a camera here, the audience would see us all digging in our pockets.

845
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,080
It's horrendous.

846
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,080
Oh, yes, there are two barcodes, a 3D, as it's so-called.

847
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,080
2D.

848
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,080
Oh, a 2D and a 1D?

849
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,080
The one at the top is a 1D?

850
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,080
All right, well, let's all go bar hopping after the show, and we can ask all the answers.

851
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,080
One quick interjection about RFIDs.

852
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:50,080
The FDA is going to impose a rule putting RFIDs on all drug bottles and containers to guard against counterfeiting.

853
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,080
Interesting.

854
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,080
And people have RFID readers at what?

855
00:45:54,080 --> 00:46:01,080
No, this is to make sure that you don't have counterfeit drugs sold under the counter, so to speak, to your pharmacist.

856
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,080
He's buying them cheaply.

857
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:11,080
He doesn't know if they're any good or even real, and some counterfeiter is making a fortune selling what looks like Viagra but isn't.

858
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,080
Couldn't you just cut the RFID chip out of one bottle and attach it somewhere on the other?

859
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,080
I don't know.

860
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,080
Or just take the Viagra.

861
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,080
We have this bit of mail from The Clone up in Canada.

862
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:27,080
It tells us that Verizon has launched a new service called Chaperone Tracking Service for LG Migo phones.

863
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:36,080
This service uses GPS and is used for parents to apparently track their kids or governments to track innocent people.

864
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,080
They've started that in New York as well.

865
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,080
It was just on the news the other day.

866
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,080
That's pretty scary.

867
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,080
So I guess what we should do is get one of these phones and see if we can track.

868
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:50,080
We can put one of our people up publicly, and you all can track them.

869
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,080
Why don't you give it to me?

870
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,080
I'm the only person here without a cell phone.

871
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,080
Okay?

872
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,080
Chip in.

873
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,080
Give me the phone.

874
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,080
Give me all the time because, face it, I'm the most hated person on the show apparently.

875
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:05,080
And if you'd like to know if Jim is approaching you, then this is one easy way to be able to tell that.

876
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:14,080
Another story about Verizon, Verizon offers an unlimited data plan where you can plug their PC card into your computer

877
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,080
and get the internet anywhere that they have service, you know, unlimited.

878
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,080
But it turns out that the service is not unlimited.

879
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,080
To no one who listens regularly is surprised.

880
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:29,080
They canceled the service of a coworker of mine because he was using their unlimited plan too much.

881
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,080
That's great.

882
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,080
I hope there's a letter attached to that.

883
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,080
Oh, there's a letter.

884
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,080
Good.

885
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,080
I want to see that.

886
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,080
Okay.

887
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,080
Our phone number, 212-209-2900.

888
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,080
Please give us a call.

889
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,080
This one last letter.

890
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:46,080
I just finished listening to your May 3rd show and your discussion about magnetometers.

891
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,080
Magnetometers?

892
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,080
Magnetometers.

893
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,080
Oh, the letters are mixed up.

894
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,080
Magnetometers, that's it.

895
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,080
Magnetometers.

896
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,080
Magnetometers.

897
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,080
Magnetometers.

898
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,080
Magnetometers.

899
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,080
Magnetometers.

900
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,080
Magnetometers.

901
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,080
Magnetometers.

902
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,080
Magnetometers.

903
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,080
Magnetometers.

904
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,080
Magnetometers.

905
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,080
Magnetometers.

906
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,080
Magnetometers.

907
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,080
Magnetometers.

908
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,080
Magnetometers.

909
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,080
Magnetometers.

910
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,080
Magnetometers.

911
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,080
Magnetometers.

912
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,080
Magnetometers.

913
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,080
Magnetometers.

914
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,080
Magnetometers.

915
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,080
Magnetometers.

916
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,080
Magnetometers.

917
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,080
Magnetometers.

918
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,080
Magnetometers.

919
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,080
Magnetometers.

920
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,080
Magnetometers.

921
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,080
Magnetometers.

922
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,080
Magnetometers.

923
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,080
Magnetometers.

924
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,080
Magnetometers.

925
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,080
Magnetometers.

926
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,080
Magnetometers.

927
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,080
Magnetometers.

928
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,080
Magnetometers.

929
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,080
Magnetometers.

930
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,080
Magnetometers.

931
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,080
Magnetometers.

932
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,080
Magnetometers.

933
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,080
Magnetometers.

934
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,080
Magnetometers.

935
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,080
Magnetometers.

936
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,080
Magnetometers.

937
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,080
Magnetometers.

938
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,080
Magnetometers.

939
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,080
Magnetometers.

940
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,080
Magnetometers.

941
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,080
Magnetometers.

942
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,080
Magnetometers.

943
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,080
Magnetometers.

944
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,080
Magnetometers.

945
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,080
Magnetometers.

946
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,080
Magnetometers.

947
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,080
Magnetometers.

948
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,080
Magnetometers.

949
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,080
Magnetometers.

950
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,080
Magnetometers.

951
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,080
Magnetometers.

952
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,080
Magnetometers.

953
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,080
Magnetometers.

954
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,080
Magnetometers.

955
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,080
Magnetometers.

956
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,080
Magnetometers.

957
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,080
Magnetometers.

958
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,080
Magnetometers.

959
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,080
Magnetometers.

960
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,080
Magnetometers.

961
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,080
Magnetometers.

962
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,080
Magnetometers.

963
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,080
Magnetometers.

964
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,080
Magnetometers.

965
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,080
Magnetometers.

966
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,080
Magnetometers.

967
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:03,080
Magnetometers.

968
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,080
Magnetometers.

969
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,080
Magnetometers.

970
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,080
Magnetometers.

971
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,080
Magnetometers.

972
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,080
Magnetometers.

973
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,080
Magnetometers.

974
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,080
Magnetometers.

975
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,080
Magnetometers.

976
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:12,080
Magnetometers.

977
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,080
Magnetometers.

978
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,080
Magnetometers.

979
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,080
Magnetometers.

980
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,080
Magnetometers.

981
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,080
Magnetometers.

982
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,080
Well, I typed in .org and I got a website called .com.

983
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,080
Okay.

984
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,080
All right.

985
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,080
That's all the same.

986
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,080
Yeah.

987
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:31,600
It gave me a pre-printed letter and it linked me to both my senators and Hillary Rodham

988
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:38,960
Clinton wrote me back yesterday saying she is for net neutrality, but I never got anything

989
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,840
back from the other senator who I can't remember the name.

990
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,360
That's interesting because Schumer has an automated response.

991
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,440
I wrote him on a different issue from a different site and got his automated response, which

992
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:50,440
admitted it was automated.

993
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:51,440
Maybe you broke it.

994
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,440
Oh.

995
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,760
You probably want to personalize the letter slightly, right?

996
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:55,760
I did.

997
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:56,760
Okay.

998
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,160
You can see a little bucket to type in something that you'd like to say and it gives you, I

999
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:06,000
think, a little hint what to say, but I just want to let people know that they should let

1000
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,680
people know for the upcoming Senate vote how they stand.

1001
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,560
And let's let everybody know who supports it and who doesn't.

1002
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:14,560
That's interesting news.

1003
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,360
I didn't think that Hillary Clinton would support it, but that's a revelation to me.

1004
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,360
She says she does.

1005
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,360
Okay.

1006
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:21,360
All right.

1007
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,360
Well, that's significant.

1008
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,360
Thanks for the information.

1009
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:24,360
Thanks a lot.

1010
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:29,000
It's particularly important to call your senator or write if your senator is on the Commerce

1011
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,320
Committee, which is where this bill lies.

1012
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,200
Neither of the New York senators are, but some of the surrounding ones maybe.

1013
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,360
But they go out drinking with them and who knows what they could do.

1014
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:38,360
Anything could happen.

1015
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:39,360
202-209-2900.

1016
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,360
Good evening.

1017
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,360
You're on the air.

1018
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,360
Speak up.

1019
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,360
Oh.

1020
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,360
Good evening.

1021
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:45,360
That was a very annoying click there.

1022
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,360
I'm sorry.

1023
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,360
Good evening, gentlemen.

1024
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,360
How are you?

1025
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,360
Hello.

1026
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,360
I'm another cologne trooper from the Empire.

1027
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,360
Where are you calling from?

1028
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,360
New Jersey.

1029
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:53,360
Okay, then.

1030
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,360
What's on your mind?

1031
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:55,360
Well, I used to serve in the Republic.

1032
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:56,360
Now I serve in the Empire.

1033
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:57,360
Okay.

1034
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,360
Well, tell us-

1035
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,360
That REN was the ringer equivalency number.

1036
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:00,360
Uh-huh.

1037
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,360
That compared the, as we were saying, the mechanical ringer, what percentage of current

1038
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,360
that would draw as compared to the mechanical ringer as compared to the electronic one.

1039
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,360
Okay.

1040
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,360
That was our whole subject.

1041
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,360
One other thing I want to mention.

1042
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,360
Mexico.

1043
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,360
Yes.

1044
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,360
All the people that are trying to sneak over here.

1045
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,360
Yes.

1046
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,360
One question no one's ever said on the news is, why is everyone trying to leave Mexico?

1047
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,360
What's going on down there?

1048
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,360
More importantly, why is everyone trying to come here?

1049
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:13,360
Don't they read the news?

1050
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,360
Exactly.

1051
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:15,360
They should be going back to Mexico.

1052
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,360
I don't know.

1053
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,360
I don't know.

1054
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,360
I don't know.

1055
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:19,360
Do you know why?

1056
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:20,360
I don't know.

1057
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:21,360
Do you know what I don't know?

1058
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,360
I don't know.

1059
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,360
I don't know.

1060
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,360
I don't know.

1061
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,360
I don't know.

1062
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,360
I don't know.

1063
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:27,360
I don't know.

1064
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:28,360
I don't know.

1065
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,640
I mean... Exactly, you should be going back to Mexico.

1066
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,200
I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they're trying to get to Canada and we should just help them.

1067
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:41,640
We're a safety valve for Mexico. Mexico has a relatively oppressive government and always has,

1068
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:48,440
independent of which party's in power, a bad economy and essentially, rather than have the revolutions

1069
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:53,400
that it's had for a hundred years, they let the people come here so they don't have the discontent

1070
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,760
that they otherwise would. Plus a lot of them cut our grass and clean our houses.

1071
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,040
I'm just... I'm saying from the Mexican government's point of view.

1072
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,040
There's something fundamentally wrong with the Mexican government down there.

1073
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:09,240
That never comes up. They never mention that there might be a problem with the government anywhere.

1074
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:16,840
No. Fascinatingly, the Mexican government took a full page ad a couple weeks before all this started

1075
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,560
hitting the fan, in which they said they wouldn't do anything to help unless we agreed to take

1076
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,200
anybody who wanted to come, plus their families.

1077
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,000
Okay. Well, I don't think we really have time to get into the whole immigration issue.

1078
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,040
Sir, is there any other question that you have before we go on to another phone call?

1079
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,640
I just want to say I love listening to you guys. My daughter's an off-the-hook t-shirt.

1080
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,080
Oh, really? Cool.

1081
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:37,640
Thank you.

1082
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,960
All right. Thanks for calling. Of course, you only get an off-the-hook t-shirt by donating to the show.

1083
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,120
So, thanks very much for that.

1084
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,000
And paying your pledge.

1085
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,640
Oh, of course. Paying the pledge, too. 212-209-2900. And speaking of donations,

1086
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:56,840
we're happy to announce that we are solidifying a deal to get massive amounts of bandwidth at the

1087
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:02,600
upcoming HOPE Conference this July. We're talking about something on the order of an OC3, which is

1088
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,720
basically about, I think, 30 times what we had last time. Thing is, it's going a little bit above

1089
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:13,320
our budget, and we need to raise some cash to make this happen. But the amount we have to raise is a

1090
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,360
fraction of what it should cost. So, we're hoping people can help us achieve this so that we don't

1091
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,640
take too much of a bath in this whole thing. If you go to our website, www.2600.com, you will see a

1092
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,880
little button there asking people to donate whatever they can. And, of course, you will be

1093
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:33,960
listed in our conference program, which will be distributed at the conference this July and saved

1094
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:39,320
by people for many, many years. All right. Let's take a phone call over here. 212-209-2900. Good

1095
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:39,960
evening. You're on the air.

1096
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:41,640
Yeah. Hi. How are you doing?

1097
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:42,520
Good. How are you?

1098
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:47,000
Doing good. Listen, I'm passing through town, actually. I just happened to pick up your show.

1099
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:52,520
And regarding the cell phones, I don't know if you're aware of it or not, but, I mean,

1100
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:57,240
GPS is pretty much available on most of your brand-new cell phones. And there are servers

1101
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:01,080
you can get. I know NexTel, and I'm pretty sure Verizon offers the same service, where you can

1102
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:06,280
actually get a disk and download it to your computer. And you can pick out the phones that

1103
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,440
you want to trace. And at any time, you can pull that phone up, and you know where that phone is.

1104
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,640
Well, I know some companies are offering that.

1105
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:14,600
Yeah.

1106
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:16,040
Sorry.

1107
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,920
Usually, you have to turn it on on the phone. Or at least I know with my phone,

1108
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:24,360
they have it set up so that if you make a 911 call, it'll give them your location. But

1109
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,240
if you want to have active kind of monitoring, you have to turn it on on the phone.

1110
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,520
Right. Yeah. I'm not sure exactly how it works. I know I've got it on our phones.

1111
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,640
Caller, with this provision, does the person have to do anything to the phone?

1112
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:40,840
Do you have to give permission?

1113
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,440
No. Because, well, like in our case, they're company phones.

1114
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,000
Oh, I see.

1115
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:52,520
So when the company issues a phone to an employee, it's already listed in the computer. So they can,

1116
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,480
it's just a way for us to track. I'm a truck driver. I own a trucking company. And it's a

1117
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,800
way for us to track our drivers. So if I call my driver, and I say, you're supposed to be in New

1118
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:07,800
York City. And I call him up, and I say, where are you? He says, well, I'm on the Jersey Turnpike,

1119
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,480
and I pull up his phone that tells me he's in Delaware, and I know he's not doing his job.

1120
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,200
Well, he could have lost his phone and too embarrassed to tell you they lost the phone.

1121
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,040
Well, he wouldn't be talking to me.

1122
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:24,600
That's true. You're pretty sharp there. Okay. All right. Listen, thanks for calling.

1123
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:25,800
Yeah. You guys have a great evening.

1124
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,800
All right. Take care. I wonder if he's driving one of those trucks right now. That'd be kind of cool.

1125
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,160
Well, he should be pulled over. You're not supposed to talk on the phone if you're...

1126
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,720
If you can do it safely, and truck drivers can do almost anything safely.

1127
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,960
We're pretty much out of time. So sorry to those folks we didn't get to, but we're back again next

1128
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,760
week taking more phone calls. Any last announcements? Arsena, I know you have something to say.

1129
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:49,720
Yeah. Well, we're going through the final organizational process for the video room

1130
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:57,000
and the movie room for Hope. So if there's any more suggestions for maybe videos, clips,

1131
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:05,560
documentaries, just shoot me an email, arse at 2600.com. And we've gotten some responses,

1132
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,600
but it'd be great to have more. Okay. And address one more time.

1133
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:17,160
Arse at 2600.com. Okay. Well, thank you everybody for calling in and for writing in. We'll see you

1134
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:24,360
again next week. Until then, stay tuned. Send us new stories. If you hear of anything, stay awake,

1135
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,400
talk to people around you. Don't give up. It's not that hopeless. See you next week.

1136
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:43,560
We're the slaves of freedom. Where we can do what we like. We're the slaves of freedom.

1137
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:53,000
Where no one gets off their bike. We're the slaves of freedom. Freedom is the handle on the bucket

1138
00:56:53,000 --> 00:57:02,600
of your soul. The image of delusion in the goldfish of your boat. The shampoo of perfection in the

1139
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:22,040
bathroom of your dreams. Freedom is the universe and everything it seems. Oh, yeah.

1140
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:39,480
We all live until we die. We're the slaves of freedom. There's no sense in wondering why.

1141
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:47,400
We're the slaves of freedom. So pick up your heavy load. We're the slaves of freedom. And

1142
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:56,920
keep on trucking down the road. We're the slaves of freedom. No man is bound except for responsibility

1143
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:07,240
for any articles of clothing or accessory such as handbags or umbrellas or books on self-defense

1144
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:25,080
or things left unattended in the ladies or the gents. Oh, yeah.

1145
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:44,920
We are in a fun mood. We're the slaves of freedom. Let's do something really rude. We're the slaves of freedom.

1146
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:54,760
We can't all be whiter. We're the slaves of freedom. So let's stick out our tongues and swerve. We're the slaves of freedom.

1147
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:04,680
Freedom is the handle on the bucket of your soul. The backbone of ambition in the goldfish of your

1148
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:16,520
boat. The pedestal of purpose in the bathroom of your dreams. Freedom is the universe and everything it seems. Oh, yeah.

1149
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,560
99.5 FM.

1150
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:33,240
We're all here. Hey, today is June 15, 2006 and this is