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This is Masti Skeshevaes, spokesperson for United for Peace and Justice.

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Today, the New York Civil Liberties Union filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of United for Peace and Justice,

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the organizers of the February 15th anti-war mobilization in the United States.

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The lawsuit charges that the city of New York is violating the First Amendment by denying a permit for the march.

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We are seeking an injunction to order the city to let the march proceed.

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The hearing is set for Friday at 3 p.m. before Federal District Court Judge Barbara Jones in Manhattan.

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In the meantime, we are going full steam ahead with plans for a massive march and rally on February 15th.

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We have been getting an overwhelming response from people all around the country and around the world

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where marches are also planned on February 15th.

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To make your opinion heard, please call Mayor Bloomberg's office at 212-788-3040

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or 212-788-3210 and tell him to let the march proceed.

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For more information, please visit our website at www.unitedforpeace.org.

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Thank you.

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It's 7.03. You're listening to 99.5 FM WBAI.

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Off the Hook is next.

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The telephone keeps ringing, so I rip it off the wall.

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I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a call.

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They turned me at my twerp, but if they could they would.

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Funded me both, but the best is paid for worse.

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I hope that's understood. Funded me both.

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Good evening. Is Emmanuel there?

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Continue on the current road 16 miles.

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Are you there?

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Yeah, it's this GPS computer. It won't shut up.

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I'm going to have to... OK.

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I told you to get the boy.

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I turned the car off because, well, after about 12,000 miles with this thing,

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I think we're starting to get on each other's nerves,

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and it's barking out orders to me that I have no intention of following,

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and I've done some things to sabotage its systems as well.

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So this trip is coming to an end.

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We've been on the road since January 6, and right now I'm just outside of Buffalo,

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which means I'm in the right state, just the wrong city.

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I'll be back tomorrow. I'll be there at the meeting at Citigroup on Friday for the 2600 meeting.

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I really wanted to get the show tonight. I tried. I really did.

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But, you know, this is a really big country, and it takes a long time to get places.

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There's a lot to see.

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There's a lot to see. There's just a lot of roads to go over,

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and we've also had a lot of snow because we've been going back in the northern part of the country,

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and I guess, you know, we kind of expect to see a lot of snow.

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It just seems to always hit at night when you're driving,

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and when you're on an interstate and you don't even know where exactly the lanes are,

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an 18-wheel truck goes up and by at 70 miles an hour and completely blinds you.

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It gets a little nerve-wracking.

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And when we last spoke to you, you were in California.

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How exactly? What was your route to come back?

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Well, basically, when I talked to you last time, I was in San Francisco,

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and since then I've driven through the Redwood Forest, which is pretty spectacular, I must say.

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I've never seen those before, through Portland, Seattle, and then the tip of Idaho.

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We took that Route 2, you know, the very northerly road in the United States,

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and that got a little slow and tiny, so we went back down to the interstate around Montana.

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Montana took two days to cross at full speed,

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and then to North Dakota and Wisconsin, yesterday Chicago,

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and now we're in Buffalo, about to loop around and head down to the city.

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While you were in Chicago, did you get a chance to see the illegal art show?

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No, I did not get a chance to see that. We got in a little too late for that.

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I did meet up with a bunch of people, though, from the 20th Attorney Meeting there,

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and we had a lot of fun doing all kinds of interesting things.

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I'll talk about that a little bit later.

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I've seen a lot of interesting sites. I've visited a lot of cool people.

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Of course, this is all having to do with Kevin Mitnick's, I guess, ascension into freedom,

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where he no longer has his supervised release to worry about.

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And it's funny, because, you know, traveling around, you turn on the radio,

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and you listen to various stations, and twice I've come across Kevin X

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talking on the radio on some call-in show.

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It's pretty neat to actually hear people that you know on the radio.

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Yeah, I know he's been busy.

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He's been very busy, yeah.

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It's quite a kick to hear him on the radio, talking to various people,

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answering questions on the phone.

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So, yeah, it's been great for him.

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We're getting more and more footage, and now he gets to work on the DVD

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and various other projects that we're working on.

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Among which, I should point out, we have a fundraiser at WBAI that's coming up.

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I believe it begins next week.

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We're not going to be on next week.

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Next week at this time, we will not be there.

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But in two weeks, we have a special expanded show that begins at 7 o'clock,

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and we'll be doing all kinds of fun things there.

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But one thing I wanted to ask listeners, if people could write in for this,

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mail us at oth2600.com with suggestions as to things,

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2600 things that you would like to see.

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We've been talking to people across the country about this,

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and getting all kinds of suggestions.

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Some people want us to come out with hooded sweatshirts.

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Some people want us to come out with coffee mugs.

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There's all kinds of merchandising things,

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and we don't always think rationally as to what people actually want.

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we can do this in conjunction with the fundraiser in a couple of weeks,

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because we'll have some of those things hopefully available pretty soon.

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But we'd like to know what people are actually in the mood for.

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I know over in Germany, the hooded sweatshirts for Chaos Computer Club are very popular,

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but I'm not sure if such a thing would work here,

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a particular type of cowboy hat or something.

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They're very hard to ship.

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Something along those lines.

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CCC jackets, which look like FBI jackets, that kind of thing.

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There's a world of possibilities out there.

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When you talk to people all around the country,

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you get inspired to do all kinds of things.

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You know, there's always one person that gets their cell phone off.

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No, no, no, that's not a cell phone.

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That's the phone you called in on earlier.

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Oh, really?

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That has to be in here, yeah.

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That phone has to be in there now.

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That phone usually lives in a different room.

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I know, I know.

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Wow, things have really changed.

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Oh, you wouldn't believe the changes here.

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Since you've been gone, we've got hardwood floors.

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We've got curtains on the windows.

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Really?

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Oh, well, not all the windows.

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Some of them have mini blinds.

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Oh, we didn't have windows last time I was there, so that's a revelation too.

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Sure.

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I hear, though, that they're taking it out in the coming weeks, so you won't get to see it.

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Oh, that's a shame.

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Well, you know, I'll drive like crazy tomorrow and get there late at night and run in and take one last look at it.

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Yeah, but don't leave Buffalo without trying the wings.

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Well, okay, yeah, you know, we had talked a little bit before the show about this,

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and I didn't really get to talk in detail about it with you,

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but you were telling me that the wings are different than they are in any place else,

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and I, you know, obviously I know that they, you know, it's not quite as hot as it is in other places,

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so we're going to ask for the, you know, the hottest possible wings, you know, ones I think they call Suicide Plus.

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Yeah, I think you should do that.

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Yeah, you think I should do that?

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That's, you know.

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I spoke to you before.

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I warned you.

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You want to keep playing, go ahead.

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That's where they started Buffalo Wings.

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You can tell when someone's being tongue-in-cheek, and I'm very good at that.

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Obviously, I'll, you know, I'll take you at your word.

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I had them at the same place that you're going to.

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Which is the, what was the name of the place again?

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The Anchor Bar.

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The Anchor Bar.

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Yeah, so if anyone wants to meet us after this radio show, and they happen to be in Buffalo,

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but don't do it if you're not in Buffalo.

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It's not worth all the time and expense of trying to get there quickly.

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That's where we're going to be shortly after the show.

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Maybe a half hour, hour after the show, we'll be at the Anchor Bar,

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and I don't know how you'll be able to tell who we are.

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There'll probably be paramedics around us.

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Yeah, with the paddles.

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We'll see, but anyway, as far as changes go,

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one very major change has to do with New York City and the phone company,

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and I understand that you now have to dial the area code.

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Is that right?

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Yeah, Mike can tell you about that.

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I can?

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Mike, tell me about that.

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Yes, apparently now in New York, you have to dial one, the area code, and the number.

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So that's 11 digits to dial anybody, anywhere in the country or across the street, 11 digits you have to dial.

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Has it been tested thoroughly that you cannot dial 10 digits, leaving out the one?

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Well, what happened is that they tested the system when it was still turned on,

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and they messed it all up.

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So now, last time I checked, you could dial both 7 digits and get through,

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and 11 digits and still get through.

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So now it works both ways.

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Before, if you dialed 11 digits,

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you'd get a message saying you do not need to dial an area code with this number.

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Okay, well, officially, does anyone know if it works without OnePlus,

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like from a home phone or office phone or anything like that?

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I tried it two days ago, so it works without the one.

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Uh-huh, and that was from where?

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That's from my home, that's from St. Alan's in Brooklyn.

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Okay, has anyone else tried it?

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No, I haven't had a chance.

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Well, you live in New Jersey.

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That's right, yeah.

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Mike, you have a cell phone, right?

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I have a cell phone.

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Okay, now, one of the joys of having a cell phone

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is that you can call other cell phones without putting in the area code.

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Has that changed?

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I don't know very many people who have the same area code of cell phone as I do,

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so I don't take advantage of that feature.

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Oh, do you dial people randomly on your area code?

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Yep, I don't.

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Oh, that's why you don't know anybody.

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That's how you meet people, dial randomly.

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I'll have to look into that.

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Okay, well, what we'd like to find out from our listeners in New York City and Byron's,

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you know, 718 as well,

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if certain things work for you, is it only OnePlus that works for you,

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OnePlus area code, or can you dial area code plus number?

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Can you dial seven digits?

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Can you dial OnePlus seven digits?

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Try everything.

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And those people with cell phones, too, in the area,

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let us know if you're now required to dial an area code for phone calls.

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It's really ridiculous.

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It's really silly and completely unnecessary.

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But that's the way they've designed the system.

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Mike's got his phone here.

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We can put him to work.

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Uh-huh.

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Well, does he have somebody to call?

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You know, I really don't.

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Well, you know, that other phone,

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the phone that wandered into the studio from the other room,

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you could also put that to work.

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We could.

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That goes out to a regular 212 number.

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And, well, people can experiment with that quietly while we talk.

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That would be certainly appreciated.

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But what I'd like to know is, has this caused anyone on our staff,

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has it caused them any problems so far?

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Apparently not.

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Jim, did it cause you any problems?

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I don't know.

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My problems are totally unrelated to this.

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Okay.

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I just got a note here.

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One of the people working here got to call the station

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without dialing the area code first for New York.

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Really?

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And they were somewhere else outside the station?

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Yeah, I believe.

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As of February 1st, it was supposed to be mandatory,

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so maybe it's not so mandatory anymore.

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Last time I heard it was in the news

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that they moved the whole program back for, like, four weeks.

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So it's next month now it's going to hit.

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Wait, hold on a second.

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It didn't take effect on February 1st?

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It was supposed to take effect, but the system messed up

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and allowed you to call both 7 and 11 digits and still get through.

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So they decided to fix the system, whatever that means by fixing it.

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And so the new official date is somewhere like in four weeks.

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Has anyone else heard this?

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No, I haven't.

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Apparently not.

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Okay.

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Well, that's interesting.

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I trust Leo.

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I'm sorry?

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I trust Leo, though.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's just you'd think that the word would get out a little bit more.

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It's working out well for the institution of dialing the 11 digits,

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so I'm not surprised that delaying it has not gone out.

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Well, I've been around, so I don't know what kind of push there was in the final weeks,

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but I know that it's been announced, like, months in advance.

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I don't know if that would have done much good for most people,

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but it doesn't really affect anything I do very much.

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You have to dial as much as you did sometimes.

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But there are people with all kinds of speed dialing and fax machines and modems

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and things like that.

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They get awfully confused and things don't go through.

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Everything has to be reprogrammed.

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Yeah, everything has to be reprogrammed.

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That's why I'm looking for any kind of story of people that have really, you know,

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maybe died from something or just been terribly inconvenienced, you know, whatever.

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Whatever comes up.

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So if you have a story like that, please let us know.

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We did receive some e-mail before February 1st from our friends at Panics,

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who were, I guess, in a panic because they were worried that they were going to have

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customers unable to, you know, figure out how to reprogram their modems

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to reach their Internet providers.

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And all this change happened on a weekend when they were, you know, short-staffed anyway.

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But apparently, I don't know, we haven't heard from them since.

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Well, that's because they can't dial out, so no one's heard from them since.

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All I know is here in Philadelphia we can still dial 10-number numbers.

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Oh, Bernie, I forgot you were on the line.

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Welcome, welcome to the show.

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Good evening.

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10-number numbers.

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In fact, we can still use the infamously named 10-number numbers here in Philadelphia.

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As featured in Down Time.

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We have a little excerpt for you there explaining the 10-number numbers.

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It's Bill Atlantic at the time had decided to call there when they switched over to 10-

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or 11-digit dialing.

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They dubbed them with a big publicity campaign as 10-number numbers.

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Not 10-digit numbers, but 10-number numbers.

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And we can still use them here in Philadelphia.

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So, now, you don't have to dial 1-plus to dial another 215 number from 215.

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You can just dial 215-plus.

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That's right.

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Now, what if you put the 1 in anyway?

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It works, too.

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It works, too.

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Now, when you dial, say, 212 from 215, you have to put the 1.

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You have to have the 1.

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And if you don't put the 1, you get scolded.

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Yes.

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My question is, if they know to scold you, they know how to route the call.

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Yes.

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So, that's pretty weird.

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It's a strange system, and I think it's just because they have very bad programming,

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which is why this happened in the first place.

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Who would we blame?

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Would you blame that on the former Bellcore company, Telcordia,

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or is it just from the local exchange carriers that are to blame for this?

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I personally blame the people that planned out how to deal with number exhaustion.

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They had some options that would have resulted in retaining the geographical nature of area codes,

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namely adding a digit to the area code or even adding a digit to the phone number.

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Yes, it would have required a lot of reprogramming of switches,

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but we're going to have to do that anyway.

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It's just a question of putting it off.

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And now, when we do run out of the expanded area codes,

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there's not going to be any rhyme or reason to the numbering scheme.

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Do you know where area code 773 is?

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Do you know where 585 is?

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I think I'm near 585, actually.

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But nobody knows where these are.

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Use some sort of domain name system where we can just all have names for our phone numbers.

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Or maybe, as someone suggested, just use our social security numbers.

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Might as well at this point.

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Okay, so that's the main story coming out of New York that we've even heard about as far away as California.

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When I was in Chicago yesterday, I hung out with a bunch of 2600-type people.

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And, of course, you always wind up playing with technology and talking about technology and things like that.

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That's what makes it so much fun.

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I found out something from one of the people there, which I thought was really pretty amazing.

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And, Mike, maybe you'd be interested in this.

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Did you know it's now possible to send SMS messages from a T-Mobile phone to a Sprint phone?

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I did not know that.

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Well, I just sent you a message from my T-Mobile phone to your Sprint phone.

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Well, I didn't receive it.

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Well, I just clicked the button during that sentence, so I don't think you'll receive it right away.

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But it takes a few minutes.

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The problem is I haven't found anybody yet who can figure out how to read the message.

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So your phone will beep, and you may be the first person who can figure out how to actually get the message.

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And then we can take it from there.

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Okay.

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How about replying to those messages?

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That would be totally beyond us.

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I don't know.

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I'm going to turn the ringer on so everyone will know when I received this message.

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Okay.

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Please, nobody call Mike during this because, obviously, that will go out over the air as well.

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Oh, I have an alert from short mail.

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That's me.

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That's me.

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Short mail.

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Okay.

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Can you read the message?

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I pressed okay to view it now, and it is now connecting.

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Yeah, it connects to something.

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And I always get like a web service problem, please contact provider.

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And the reason I don't want to contact the provider, I'm convinced that they don't like the username I picked out,

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which is an obscenity followed by the word Sprint.

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And I picked that because I was so frustrated in trying to pick a username.

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They wouldn't let me have anything else.

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And I fear they might have turned it off, and it will be embarrassing to have that conversation with them.

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It says hi.

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That's me.

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I said that.

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And it has your phone number and the time and date.

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But not his username?

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No, no username.

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We crossed from one network to another.

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Okay, Mike, can you reply to that?

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I have chosen reply.

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All right.

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Well, type a secret message.

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Okay.

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And I'll see if I get that particular message.

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All right.

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This is very exciting.

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Why don't we talk about something else while I'm figuring out how to use this stupid thing?

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Okay, well, you can devote all your attention to that, and we'll find something else to talk about.

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Emmanuel?

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Yeah, I'm sorry, Bernie, yes.

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Yeah, when you were traveling around the country, did you bring your ICOM R3 scanner

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or any other scanner type radio with you?

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I did bring my ICOM R3 scanner.

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Unfortunately, it's been in my bag the whole time because I've just been so busy with everything else.

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I would have loved to have used it in Mexico and all kinds of other places,

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but, you know, there's just so much to play with, so much technology to, you know, experiment with.

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I found out if you'd run into many local, state, and federal agencies

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that had switched from analog FM two-way radio to digital radio.

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Here in Philadelphia, earlier this week, they switched over to a new $52 million digital two-way radio system,

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which cannot be heard by conventional analog scanner radios

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like every other kind of three-scanner radio most people are familiar with.

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So, basically, people are out of the loop unless they want to spend nearly $1,000

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for a special kind of digital receiver that was just released by Uniden.

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I do know a lot of people are playing around with such receivers and spying on video cameras,

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which is always a lot of fun.

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People transmit security signals.

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In fact, there's talk of a great, frank idea, you know, when you call somebody on the phone

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and you have a little fun at their expense by, you know, telling them the refrigerator is running

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or some such thing like that.

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Well, there are many offices that have security cameras in various places,

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and in some of them you can see people at their desks.

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Now, these cameras can be spied upon using various scanning equipment.

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It's all very out in the open and easy to do.

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But imagine the fun you could have by making a frank call to that person

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and actually watching their reaction live and maybe even taping it.

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Hmm.

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Yeah.

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It could be a whole new realm of frank phone calls.

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I got a message, and the message says,

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This is a secret message.

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You're not supposed to say such things over the air.

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Oh, I'm sorry, but I know these times of national, you know, paranoia and all that kind of thing,

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but I'm not saying anything else.

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I'm just saying this is a secret message with an exclamation point.

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Was that you, Mike?

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Yeah, that's what I wrote.

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And we have successfully crossed both ways, from Sprint to T-Mobile, both ways,

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sending SMS messages.

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That's pretty good.

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Go ahead.

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I was saying, that's pretty good.

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You know, SMS has been around for years, and they're finally getting it working.

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Yeah.

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Now, Bernie, I'm going to send you a message now since you have a Sprint phone as well.

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Ooh.

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Now, I'm on that phone right now.

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Well, let's see what happens when I send it to you while you're on it.

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But, Mike, can you figure out how to actually initiate an SMS message?

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I'll work on that.

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Okay, you work on that, and I'll work on sending a message to Bernie now.

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I should point out that I have a brand-new Sprint PCS phone,

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because they apparently don't repair phones when little parts of them break.

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I had a little part of my phone break yesterday.

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I was standing out in the sub-zero temperature in Wisconsin,

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and there's a part of my LCD screen that now has nonsense on it that won't go away,

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and I think it might be broken.

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But I don't think I can get it on a Sprint phone,

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because they'll charge me not only for the phone, but to activate it.

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They only charged me for the phone, which was a rip-off in and of itself, but no activation fee.

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And you've got to see this one.

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Really?

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This is pretty.

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Yeah, it's silvery and orange.

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The one with the camera in it?

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No, no, I do not want any cameras in my phone.

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Am I sending this to you?

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What are you sending?

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You asked me to send an SMS message.

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Yeah, if you could send an SMS, yeah, you could send it to me,

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but send a different message, otherwise, you know, it might be confusing.

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Yes, of course.

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All right.

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And I'm sending a message to Bernie S. right now.

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And, Emmanuel, since you've been traveling and away all this time,

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I just have one big question.

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What'd you get me?

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Well, I got you a lot of memories of things that I've done and seen.

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Of course, a lot of digital photos that we've been taking.

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No cheese from Wisconsin?

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I saw some cheese from Wisconsin, and it was in an omelet, actually, and it was okay.

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It was great.

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But I don't want to think about cheese again for a while.

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No bottled Mexican water?

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No, I didn't bring any of that.

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I forgot to get bottled Mexican water.

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Okay.

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Well, my handset has still not received your message, Emmanuel.

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Okay, well, your message was just sent, so it might take a little while.

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Oh, okay.

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And you've got, you know, an older version of the file, so that could take a while as well.

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So this is something that I think is a lot of fun to play with.

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That's the way a lot of people will be doing it.

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I don't know if we get charged every time we send a message between two companies.

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I think you can count on that.

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Well, back to my question earlier, Emmanuel,

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with the advent of some local state and federal agencies

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just switching over from analog to digital two-way radio systems.

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It's caused quite a controversy here in Philadelphia

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and in other municipalities where this has happened

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because people, taxpayers, feel shut out

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by not being able to hear their public servants doing their jobs anymore.

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And it's ruffled a lot of feathers here in Philadelphia.

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And the reason that the city council here says that they switched over to this system

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is to prevent criminals and other people from listening to the police,

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you know, getting dispatched for calls, that sort of thing.

482
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,000
And there's been virtually no recorded instances of that being a problem here in Philadelphia,

483
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:49,000
but they still felt it was worth spending $52 million to shut the public out.

484
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,000
I personally feel that makes the police less accountable when they can't be listened to.

485
00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:00,000
Of course, but my question is, is it completely impossible for the public to listen in?

486
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,000
Bernie, we're going to have to wait until May before we can pick up some stuff to listen.

487
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000
The date and hamvention.

488
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,000
That's right.

489
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:17,000
Uniden has just released a scanner that is about $700 that will decode these digital transmissions.

490
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,000
However, they can also be encrypted.

491
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,000
And if they're encrypted, then you're out of luck.

492
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:29,000
That would also be a crime to decrypt an encrypted message over the air.

493
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:34,000
So the Philadelphia police has chosen to encrypt the sensitive communications

494
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000
and some of the other communications they're not encrypting.

495
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,000
For some reason, they are encrypting the fire ground communications for the police,

496
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000
for the fire department, too.

497
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,000
You know, at the scene of a fire where they're putting out a fire that's two-way radius.

498
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,000
For some reason, they're encrypting those transmissions, which seems to make no sense

499
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:57,000
because it's not like, you know, where it's a drug task force or something

500
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,000
where you have to sneak up on the drug dealers or something like that.

501
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,000
If there's a fire, it's a life or death thing.

502
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,000
Especially neighbors in the area would want to know where the fire is

503
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:13,000
so if it's close to them, they can get the heck out of there or get away from harm's way.

504
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,000
So anyhow, it's kind of interesting what Philadelphia has chosen to encrypt

505
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,000
and not encrypt on this new digital radio system.

506
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:25,000
You mentioned that it would be illegal to decrypt this.

507
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,000
It brings to mind what people do with satellite television and cable companies

508
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,000
and they figure out ways of decrypting whatever encryption standard,

509
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,000
however weak they might be using,

510
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,000
and occasionally they get raided by people usually for selling equipment

511
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,000
to do various things like that.

512
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,000
But what I'm wondering is how strong an encryption standard will they be using

513
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,000
for these police communications

514
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:53,000
and will they be treating anybody who dares to decrypt them as some kind of a terrorist?

515
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000
It's a good question.

516
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000
We'll probably see because the key links are pretty long.

517
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,000
It uses something called DESXL

518
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:07,000
and it's probably not as robust an encryption as the satellite television companies are using.

519
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,000
And the satellite TV stuff I think is more of a cloning thing

520
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,000
where an existing account is just cloned into a lot of cards, isn't it?

521
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,000
I believe there's some actual decryption going on.

522
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000
I'm not really involved in that world so I don't know for sure,

523
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000
but I don't think it's just cloning.

524
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,000
Well, I'm sure it will happen eventually.

525
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,000
Either a key will be leaked or someone will stumble upon it

526
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:37,000
and if they open their mouth and get slapped,

527
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000
we'll find out how hard they get slapped.

528
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000
We'll keep an eye on that issue.

529
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:46,000
I think it's an important issue that the citizens who pay their local state

530
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000
and federal law enforcement agencies to do a job

531
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,000
and also pay for the equipment that they use to communicate

532
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,000
should have some sort of oversight

533
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,000
and being able to hear them in action is one way of doing that.

534
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:05,000
I'm curious if you know, Bernie, how much money this brand new system costs?

535
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:11,000
The initial contract was $52 million,

536
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,000
but supposedly it's gone well over budget.

537
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,000
So it was well over $52 million.

538
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Seems like a lot of money to exclude people.

539
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,000
I thought it was a tremendous amount of money.

540
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:29,000
Philadelphia has the highest city wage tax of virtually any city in the United States.

541
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000
So that's where the money's going.

542
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,000
What happens if, say, you find a radio at a hamvention, for instance,

543
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,000
that is an old radio that is able to receive these encrypted communications?

544
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,000
Are they able to simply turn off particular radios

545
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,000
or once you get one are you able to listen to everything all over again?

546
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,000
The radios do support something called OTAR,

547
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,000
which stands for over-the-air re-keying.

548
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:04,000
So if a radio is lost, the dispatcher can immediately disable that radio

549
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,000
so it can't be used to receive or transmit.

550
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,000
Fascinating.

551
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,000
And they can change the keys.

552
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,000
They can re-key all the radios quickly as well.

553
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,000
They can just disable a radio or they can re-key all of them to prevent others from,

554
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,000
like if the key got out, they could just change the key

555
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,000
and then whoever had a previous key would be out of luck.

556
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,000
This is something we should watch, both in Philadelphia and throughout the nation

557
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,000
and throughout the world, in fact.

558
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000
If people out there know their local police department,

559
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,000
what kind of system they're using, we'd like to hear about that as well.

560
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,000
We'd like to know if you've gone to a system that is possible to listen to

561
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,000
or more difficult to listen to.

562
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000
I think people have the right to know this.

563
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,000
It's very disturbing when such things simply get taken away.

564
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,000
There's a website where you can get more information about this,

565
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,000
and the URL is strongsignals.net.

566
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,000
So www.strongsignals.net, all one word.

567
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,000
And a lot of these systems have a lot of glitches and problems too,

568
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,000
and there's a lot of dead spots for these new digital systems

569
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,000
where police and firefighters are saying that their radios don't work in certain places.

570
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,000
So there's a lot of growing pains with this technology,

571
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:24,000
not the least of which is shutting the citizens out from hearing their public servants in action.

572
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,000
And at the same time, while they're getting more privacy for the police,

573
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,000
there's less privacy for people trying to talk on their phones.

574
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,000
While we're speaking of public servants in action,

575
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,000
you're listening to 99.5 WBAI-FM in New York.

576
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,000
That's right. Where else could you hear things like this?

577
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Exactly.

578
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:54,000
But basically there's all kinds of issues involving locations of cell phones

579
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,000
where they will know where you're calling from at a particular time geographically,

580
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,000
where your phone number is transmitted regardless of whether or not you want it to be,

581
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,000
and your phone calls are listened in on by various entities.

582
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,000
And these are all technologies that are being actively developed.

583
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,000
They want you not to listen to what they are doing,

584
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,000
but those very same people want to be able to listen to what you're doing.

585
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,000
How about that?

586
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,000
Yeah. Let me just point out, I received a message from Mike.

587
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Let me make sure this is your message.

588
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:29,000
It started with an open parentheses, a colon, and two closed parentheses,

589
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,000
which I believe is sort of a smiley face.

590
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,000
And then it says, a different message.

591
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,000
Was that in fact your message?

592
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,000
Yeah, that's what I wrote.

593
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,000
That's what you wrote.

594
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,000
Okay, so I received that message.

595
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,000
You initiated that message.

596
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000
So you figured out how to send that message.

597
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000
I'm going to reply to that message,

598
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000
just to make sure the reply function works as well.

599
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000
Bernie, have you not received the message yet?

600
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000
I have not, but it could be because my handset is a rather old one.

601
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,000
It's about three years old.

602
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,000
It does have some features that I like,

603
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,000
but I need to update the firmware, the software on it.

604
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,000
So it could be that this software upgrade I need

605
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,000
will then give me the ability to receive these messages.

606
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,000
So I'll do that this coming week, and we'll give it another try.

607
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:13,000
Okay, well, it's fun with cell phones and new technology and things like that.

608
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Has there been any developments with various issues?

609
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,000
Oh, yeah.

610
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,000
We have, as you know, Jim sitting here.

611
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,000
He's got some news.

612
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,000
Okay, let's hear it, Jim.

613
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:31,000
Well, I've joined the ranks of the, well, I'm now a felon.

614
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,000
Let's put it that way.

615
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,000
Wow.

616
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Yeah.

617
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,000
Join the club.

618
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000
I can't talk to you about it, unfortunately.

619
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,000
If you're a felon, you can't talk to Bernie S. anymore.

620
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000
All right, Bernie, from now on, direct your comments away from Jim.

621
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,000
All right.

622
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Face the other way, I guess.

623
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,000
And, Jim, I don't know if you can respond to things that Bernie says to us,

624
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,000
or if we have to repeat everything for you.

625
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Oh, I think I can probably respond to things.

626
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,000
I don't think we can direct things at each other.

627
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,000
That's the thing.

628
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,000
Okay.

629
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Well, then, you two are no longer speaking.

630
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,000
I'm sorry.

631
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:11,000
And how long will Jim and myself be on non-speaking terms, I wonder?

632
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,000
Jim, I wonder how long this will last.

633
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,000
Well, already it's way too long for the show.

634
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,000
Well, I get sentenced towards the end of March.

635
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,000
I'm going to do five years probation, no jail time.

636
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,000
I have a question, though.

637
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,000
Are you not a felon until you're sentenced?

638
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000
I've already pled.

639
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,000
Yeah, but...

640
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Oh, that's a good question.

641
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Does somebody know?

642
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,000
I mean, are you considered a felon after the sentencing date or before this?

643
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,000
Not a convicted felon.

644
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000
He's pre-felon?

645
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Felon to be.

646
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Oh, gee.

647
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:54,000
If you haven't been sentenced, then I don't think you're convicted yet.

648
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,000
Oh, okay.

649
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Then we can talk.

650
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,000
We're going to get five years' worth in real quick.

651
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Since I'm a felon to be, I wonder if I can get a registry someplace like Bloomingdale's.

652
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,000
Oh, that's bride to be.

653
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,000
Oh.

654
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Yes.

655
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,000
Well, anything else that this has been?

656
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,000
Let's see.

657
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
I got some new stories.

658
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000
I was asking Jim if you have anything else.

659
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,000
No, no, it's just the same old deal.

660
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,000
No financial problems as far as, like, having to pay restitution?

661
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,000
No, just the financial problem of, you know, having no job.

662
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,000
So if anybody would like to hire a soon-to-be felon, I'll do anything.

663
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000
And if there are any other subway systems in town?

664
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Well, yeah, but I can do other things.

665
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,000
That's true.

666
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,000
I was an award-winning web designer for a short period of time.

667
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaking of subways, though, just a brief mention of this because I think you'd be interested.

668
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:54,000
We were in the Chicago subway system, which uses the exact same MetroCard system.

669
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,000
You know, the cards, you know, work the same way.

670
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:03,000
One big difference, though, their turnstiles suck in the card, like if you're on a bus.

671
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,000
You simply put the card in, and it, you know, it sucks it in.

672
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,000
And if it doesn't work, it tells you why.

673
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,000
By the way, if you put a New York City MetroCard in there, you get an error of 14.

674
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,000
Did you get the card back?

675
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,000
You get the card back. I did not see the attendant.

676
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:29,000
You should have because the Chicago cards in the New York system would read like normal cards except with outrageous information,

677
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:39,000
like $500 worth of rides on them, and the last use place would be a code that I didn't recognize,

678
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,000
and last use time would be something impossible.

679
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Like, you know, the year 3945.

680
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Did it actually open the turnstile?

681
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000
No.

682
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,000
Okay.

683
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:56,000
Well, we've got a couple of cards we're going to bring back just to see what they do over in New York as well.

684
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:02,000
We had a caller call in and say that technically I am a felon, so I'm not talking to Bernie.

685
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,000
Okay, so let's impose the silence, and this would be for what, three years, five years?

686
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Five.

687
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Five years?

688
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Wow, so in 2008.

689
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000
It gets even more interesting.

690
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:20,000
They've already told me what I cannot carry, and I can't imagine them ever having enforced this previously in New York,

691
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000
but this is what the law says.

692
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:29,000
I can't carry a lighter, matches, a box cutter, spray paint.

693
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000
There's some other absurd things.

694
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,000
Next time I'm at the probation office, I'll copy it down.

695
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,000
You have to surrender.

696
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,000
It's fortunate you don't smoke because if you did, I'd wonder how you'd light up.

697
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,000
That's what I'm wondering.

698
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,000
I guess you have to sit in your car and smoke and just use the lighter at the car.

699
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,000
Or maybe they're trying to break all felons of the smoking habit.

700
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Well, that would be good.

701
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,000
You're not going to be able to smoke in New York jails pretty soon.

702
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,000
He can carry flint and steel, though.

703
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000
Oh, I guess I could.

704
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000
Yeah, so you could still smoke.

705
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,000
Unless it's a blade that you're striking a steel with.

706
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Oh, yes, your blades must be under four inches.

707
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,000
What about the sword?

708
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,000
You can't carry that anymore?

709
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000
No, no, but I had given up the sword.

710
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,000
I had gone for the two-headed axe.

711
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,000
Leo, you had a story.

712
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000
Let's take some break after we hear from you.

713
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Okay, there's a few of them, but I'll mention only a couple.

714
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,000
There's one about a Japanese scientist who invents a quote-unquote invisibility cloak.

715
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:28,000
Basically, a Japanese scientist has developed a coat which appears to make the wearer invisible.

716
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:35,000
The illusion was part of a demonstration of optical camouflage technology at Tokyo University.

717
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,000
It's the brainchild of Professor Susumu Tachi,

718
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:45,000
who was in the early stage of research he hopes will eventually make camouflaged objects virtually transparent.

719
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Does anybody have any video of this?

720
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,000
I have a photograph.

721
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,000
I'm going to say how it works first.

722
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Wait a second, Leo.

723
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
I want to go back up to your first comment.

724
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,000
You said this appears to make the wearer invisible.

725
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Is that sort of a contradiction in terms?

726
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,000
It's not really all that good, the technology.

727
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000
There's a photo here that he printed off the Web page.

728
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,000
The guy is wearing a shirt, and it looks like you can see through him,

729
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,000
but because of the technicalities involved, there's a camera on the back,

730
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000
the perspective is a bit off,

731
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:24,000
and it's obvious that it's a guy wearing a shirt that is essentially a TV screen.

732
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Well, it's a step.

733
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,000
It's a step towards being invisible, and that's what we've all yearned for for many years.

734
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,000
Is there a picture online we can look at?

735
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000
Yeah, I can give you the news story.

736
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,000
You're actually noting me way too long.

737
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:44,000
It's at ananova.com, and basically do a search for S-U-S-U-M-U space T-A-C-H-I.

738
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,000
Or just look for invisible cloak on the net.

739
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,000
One more time.

740
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,000
One more time.

741
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,000
What is that?

742
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,000
It's ananova.com.

743
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,000
That's the Web site.

744
00:38:53,000 --> 00:39:03,000
And look for the name S-U-S-U-M-U space T-A-C-H-I.

745
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Or how about people just e-mail you and get that from you directly?

746
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,000
Okay, but my mailbox is going to fill up really fast.

747
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Actually, I'll give it out.

748
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,000
It's Leo at ananova.com.

749
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:25,000
That's Leo, L-E-O, at E-N-A-M-O-N.com.

750
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:31,000
All right, our phone number, 212-209-2900, for people out there that want to call in,

751
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,000
share some information with us.

752
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,000
Jeff, do we have a full switchboard?

753
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Oh, yeah.

754
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,000
You ready?

755
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Don't pick Rebel first.

756
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,000
Please don't do that.

757
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,000
I'd like to have one show that was just Rebel free, and we're going to try it tonight.

758
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:48,000
I'm using the very scientific E-M-M-M technique.

759
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,000
It's the proper name Rebel for those that might be listening for the first time.

760
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:57,000
We like Rebels in general, but the proper name with a capital R, let's just give people a chance.

761
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
Go ahead.

762
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
Hello, you're on the air.

763
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Okay, I don't want to talk about the magic system again.

764
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,000
I just want to mention Manuel Goldstein.

765
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,000
Manuel Goldstein, you may not know this, but he's a New Yorker,

766
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:19,000
fairly close to the front of the book about Kevin Mitnick.

767
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,000
I had heard that, yes.

768
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,000
There's a story in the current New Yorker.

769
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,000
I think it's still on the stands about Kevin Mitnick.

770
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,000
Yeah, it's the current.

771
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,000
You and Wozniak showed him how the world is.

772
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Yeah, we told him what was up.

773
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,000
And you said, don't be freaked out by advertising.

774
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Okay, that's your quote.

775
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,000
That's all I wanted to say.

776
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,000
I did say that, and I said it to a lot of people.

777
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,000
Fight advertising, but don't be freaked out by it because it's everywhere,

778
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,000
and you've got to do something about it.

779
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,000
Ignoring it.

780
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,000
So it's a good idea.

781
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,000
All right.

782
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,000
Thank you very much.

783
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
Hello, you're on the air.

784
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Yeah, I'd like to mention that.

785
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000
Number two.

786
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,000
How does it feel, Rebels, to be mentioned by name like that?

787
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,000
I think it's ironic he's number two, but anyway.

788
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,000
Rebel, you have a good sentence.

789
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,000
Make it a good sentence.

790
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,000
I'd like to mention that everybody wants a toll-free number now.

791
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,000
Even local numbers like, say, the New York City Department of Health,

792
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,000
they change their phone number.

793
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,000
That was a period, so that's a second sentence.

794
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,000
They change their phone number to a toll-free number.

795
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,000
And what it is, it's like one of those toll-free numbers where it's an 888

796
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,000
or 877 or whatever.

797
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,000
And you know why they're having those toll-free numbers like that?

798
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,000
Why?

799
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,000
Well, guess what you get when you call a toll-free number?

800
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,000
Call the talk line at 800-400-TALK for exciting people nationwide.

801
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,000
800-400-TALK.

802
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Okay, okay, okay.

803
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,000
That's what you get when you call an 800 number now.

804
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,000
All that like 800, if you wanted to call like 800 Healthcare or something.

805
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Wait a minute, wait a minute.

806
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,000
That wasn't specifically that talk line that you called.

807
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,000
You called another number and got that?

808
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Yes, he did.

809
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000
Wow, that's wild.

810
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Whatever it is, it can't be as bad as what we get when we pick up the phone sometimes.

811
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,000
Okay, somehow that call dropped out.

812
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,000
It was not me.

813
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000
Hello, you're on the air.

814
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Hi.

815
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,000
Hello.

816
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:19,000
Yeah, so I had problems with the 1212 thing.

817
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,000
My modem wouldn't connect to Earthlink.

818
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,000
Oh, boy.

819
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:33,000
And so I had to reset everything to 1212 plus the numbers.

820
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,000
But it's working now?

821
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,000
Yeah.

822
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,000
Okay.

823
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,000
It's working now.

824
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,000
And the Adenova thing, that's a little bogus.

825
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:49,000
The picture that they show there, it's actually, what's happening is they've got a projector

826
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,000
at the position of the camera.

827
00:42:53,000 --> 00:43:03,000
And the person wearing the cloak, it's like a self-reflecting back.

828
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:12,000
They have a camera behind the person and a projector at the position of the camera.

829
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:24,000
And it's the same technology that reflects like your car headlights back at you off street signs.

830
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:38,000
So it's really, you know, it's almost a fake picture, or at least the Adenova story really just doesn't know what they're talking about.

831
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Even with all this, it doesn't look very convincing.

832
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Yeah.

833
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,000
Yeah.

834
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,000
It's just a demonstration of possible technology.

835
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,000
It's really not even there at all.

836
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,000
All right.

837
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,000
Thank you very much.

838
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000
Okay.

839
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Hello.

840
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,000
You're on the air.

841
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,000
Okay.

842
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,000
Yeah.

843
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,000
What I'm going to also mention is that...

844
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,000
All right.

845
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,000
That's it.

846
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,000
That's it.

847
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,000
You may not use the phone anymore.

848
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,000
Okay.

849
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,000
I'm echoing.

850
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Hello.

851
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,000
You're on the air.

852
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,000
Yeah.

853
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Hi.

854
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,000
I've been noticing with the 11-digit dialing that there are certain numbers that I can dial

855
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,000
and I can't, and they seem to depend on what the first number of the phone number is.

856
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Ah.

857
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,000
In what way?

858
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,000
Well, if it starts with a 2 or with a 3, I don't have to dial the 11 digits or the 10 digits.

859
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:28,000
And if it starts with a 6 or a 9, which, you know, higher numbers, it seems to be that I have to.

860
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,000
Yeah.

861
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,000
But this depends on your area code.

862
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,000
Someone else in a different area code may have different numbers that they're close to.

863
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,000
Oh, sure.

864
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,000
Okay.

865
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Or in a different exchange.

866
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,000
You know, I have no idea.

867
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,000
I'm just, you know, pointing out what happened on my phone.

868
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,000
Yeah.

869
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,000
No, no.

870
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,000
Can you tell us your area code and exchange?

871
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,000
Oh, yeah.

872
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,000
It's 212-473.

873
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,000
Okay.

874
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000
So that's, like, downtown Manhattan, right?

875
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,000
Yep.

876
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,000
Okay.

877
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,000
So people there, you're saying you were able to dial us with 7 digits?

878
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,000
Right.

879
00:44:54,000 --> 00:45:03,000
I can dial, like, the 674 exchange or the 966 exchange, which are not as close to me as, like, the 253 exchange.

880
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,000
Uh-huh.

881
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,000
But with the 253 exchange, I have to dial the entire 11 digits.

882
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,000
Or I get that punishment tone.

883
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,000
Yeah.

884
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,000
Did you have to dial these 11 digits to get to us?

885
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,000
Yeah, I did.

886
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,000
I had to dial the whole thing.

887
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,000
You guys start with the 2.

888
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,000
Have you tried dialing without the 1?

889
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,000
You mean just dialing the 212?

890
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,000
And the 2, yeah.

891
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000
No, I haven't.

892
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,000
Okay.

893
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,000
I'd be curious to know if that works, if you're able to dial 10 digits instead of 11.

894
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,000
Yeah, my theory is they just did a crappy job putting this thing together, and it just doesn't work right.

895
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,000
That's true.

896
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,000
It's not part of any, like, real, you know, approach to anything.

897
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,000
You think?

898
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Yeah.

899
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000
Okay.

900
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,000
All right.

901
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Thanks.

902
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,000
Thank you very much.

903
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,000
Okay.

904
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000
Take care.

905
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,000
Hello.

906
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,000
You're on the air.

907
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,000
Yes.

908
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,000
Hi.

909
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Two things.

910
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,000
One for me.

911
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,000
Kevin Metnick, DefensiveThinking.com?

912
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Yes.

913
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:04,000
And the other thing, while in Buffalo, go to, for Emanuel, go to La Nova.

914
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,000
What's that?

915
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:11,000
That's the biggest, best pizza and wings and so and so on.

916
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Ferry Street or Main Street?

917
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:19,000
Well, you know, I will be there tomorrow for breakfast, so I think I can do that on the way out.

918
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Don't forget to bring the guys something.

919
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,000
We'll bring a whole bag of wings, yeah.

920
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,000
I didn't put her up to that.

921
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,000
I promise.

922
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,000
No, no, no.

923
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,000
But listen, if it's good enough for Clinton and his lady, it may be good enough for you.

924
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,000
I don't know.

925
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,000
They had it delivered on the plane.

926
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,000
Let me just ask the caller a question.

927
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,000
You're not a native of this country, are you?

928
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,000
What does that have to do?

929
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,000
Well, I'm just curious.

930
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Buffalo, I mean, my mother's family comes from Chautauqua County, which is 40 miles west of Buffalo.

931
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,000
Yes, yes.

932
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:58,000
And Buffalo is not one of those cities that's really an internationally urban center as far as I know.

933
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,000
And I'm just amazed that you managed to get there.

934
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,000
I'm very pleased with that.

935
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,000
I don't mean anything.

936
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:11,000
Well, I might tell you off the air how I know.

937
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:18,000
And the phone number to the anchor bar is 716-884-4083.

938
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,000
Okay, well, we've already contacted them.

939
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Emmanuel, if you forget to bring the sauces, you may make it up by buying them at Walmart.

940
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,000
Okay.

941
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,000
Walmart.

942
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,000
Thank you very much.

943
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Bye.

944
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,000
Thanks.

945
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,000
In the cleansing department.

946
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,000
I would love to know where she was from and how she got the buffalo.

947
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,000
That's just amazing.

948
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,000
I'll call you on the private line after the show is over.

949
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,000
And, Emmanuel, we would accept wings on Friday night if you were able to bring some hot stuff back.

950
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,000
Yeah, get a party pack for, what, $200?

951
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,000
Let's see if I make it out of there first.

952
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,000
All right.

953
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,000
All right.

954
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,000
Hello.

955
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,000
You're on the air.

956
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Hi.

957
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,000
I'm in the 718 area code.

958
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,000
And from my house, I can call my mother, who's in the next building,

959
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,000
and I just dial her number without the 1 and the 718.

960
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,000
Okay.

961
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,000
And from my office, I have to dial 9 to get an outside line,

962
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:16,000
and then I have to dial 1 in whatever area you call them down, even if it's the same area code.

963
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,000
So I'm just wondering how, you know.

964
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,000
Have you tried it without the 1?

965
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:28,000
Yeah, I tried dialing 9 to get the outside line and dialing my mother's number, just the number,

966
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,000
because my work is in the 718 area code, too.

967
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,000
Uh-huh.

968
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,000
And I keep getting, you know, the busy signals.

969
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,000
Well, have you tried 9 and the area code without the 1?

970
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,000
Oh, no, no.

971
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,000
That I haven't tried.

972
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,000
Okay.

973
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,000
That's what I want people to try, because I think there might be, like, you know,

974
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,000
some might work, some might not work.

975
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,000
Sure.

976
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:54,000
Apparently, people who own PBXs can do something to play with the dialing rules.

977
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,000
So, for example, the telephone system I live behind,

978
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:04,000
they left me a message in advance saying you wouldn't have to dial the 1212 where I live,

979
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,000
which is kind of strange.

980
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,000
Well, here's another secret.

981
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:13,000
If you own a PBX, you can actually control the caller ID that gets sent out from it.

982
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:18,000
So you could have any number you want basically be sent out when people make phone calls

983
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,000
if you can control a PBX.

984
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:22,000
We learned about that this summer.

985
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,000
Yep, yep.

986
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Hello, you're on the air.

987
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,000
Hello?

988
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,000
Hello?

989
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,000
You're on the air.

990
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,000
Oh, very good.

991
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,000
I was going to ask you guys if you had heard, well, first of all,

992
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,000
I was going to say that I'm actually from Atlanta,

993
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,000
and we did this 10-digit dialing thing quite a few years ago.

994
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:49,000
And currently, anywhere in Atlanta, there's three area codes,

995
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,000
and you do not have to dial this one.

996
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:59,000
So I'm not exactly sure what kind of craziness your exchange carrier is doing up there.

997
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,000
And if I may, one other thing.

998
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,000
Have any of you guys heard of a company called Vonage?

999
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,000
Yeah.

1000
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,000
Has anybody had any experience with them, positive or negative?

1001
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Not us in the studio.

1002
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,000
Okay, because here's an interesting thing.

1003
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,000
I recently had to move to another area.

1004
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,000
My friends and family are still in Atlanta.

1005
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,000
And from what I understand, I've ordered this box from them,

1006
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:34,000
and when I receive it, I can have any of a number of area codes as my local dialing number.

1007
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,000
So I've moved out of the state of Georgia, and I can have a 404 number

1008
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,000
that will be local dialing inbound and outbound.

1009
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,000
Is this a cell phone or a regular landline?

1010
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,000
It goes over your cable modem or DSL.

1011
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,000
Oh.

1012
00:50:49,000 --> 00:51:01,000
And it supposedly claims that you can vary the bandwidth between, like, 56K and 90K.

1013
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,000
And I just spoke to one of their customer service reps this week,

1014
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,000
and they said they're going to have something called virtual numbering,

1015
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,000
which I guess is something like what Southern Bell calls Ringmaster,

1016
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,000
where you can have multiple numbers on the same line.

1017
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,000
But here's the twist.

1018
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:24,000
For, like, $5 or $10 or whatever they decide to charge, you can have numbers in each area code,

1019
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:29,000
like up to three area codes you can have numbers in.

1020
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,000
That's pretty fascinating.

1021
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,000
And it can be spread out all throughout the country?

1022
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,000
Yeah.

1023
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,000
I'm not even in an area where they provide service right now,

1024
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:46,000
and I'm adding that line to my standard telephone line.

1025
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,000
Well, we should find out if anybody else has used this company.

1026
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,000
How do you spell the name?

1027
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,000
V-I-T-O-N-A-G-E dot com.

1028
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,000
Sorry if you guys can hear the call waiting there.

1029
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,000
Yeah, do that one more time.

1030
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,000
You broke up.

1031
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,000
V-I-T-O-N-A-G-E dot com.

1032
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,000
Okay.

1033
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:09,000
And what I'll try to do is supposedly I'm supposed to get the box on Friday.

1034
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,000
So, like, if you guys want me to call back in and know your experiences and stuff.

1035
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,000
You can email O-T-H at 2600 dot com.

1036
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,000
Okay, and I'll put, like, Vonage as the subject or something so you guys look for it?

1037
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,000
Sure.

1038
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,000
Okay, cool.

1039
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,000
I'll let you guys know how it sounds and stuff.

1040
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,000
It seems pretty cool.

1041
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,000
The only thing I'm scared about is, you know, with all these technology companies going under,

1042
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:34,000
it would really suck if your home number stops working.

1043
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,000
But it's got lots of cool stuff like forwarding.

1044
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,000
It will forward to your number.

1045
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:44,000
They have a plan where it's unlimited long distance for, like, $40 a month.

1046
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,000
There's my girlfriend trying to reach me on the cell phone.

1047
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,000
$25.99.

1048
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,000
I'm looking at a website now.

1049
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,000
$25.99 a month for unlimited.

1050
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,000
I'm sorry, that's unlimited local.

1051
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,000
You're right.

1052
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,000
It's like $40 a month for long distance.

1053
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:06,000
Yeah, and you get 500 minutes, but it will forward within, you know, banks against your minutes.

1054
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Like, for me, I'm getting the $25.99 thing, and it banks against my minutes.

1055
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,000
But you can set it, like, after a certain number of rings, it will forward.

1056
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,000
And if your Internet connection's dropped, then it will forward to another number

1057
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,000
and lots of different features and stuff.

1058
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:28,000
So this box basically has a bunch of RJ11 jacks that emulate a regular analog telephone jack.

1059
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,000
Yeah.

1060
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:34,000
And then the other end of it has, like, an Ethernet port that you plug into your hub or router.

1061
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,000
Yeah, they say with a cable modem you can put it outside, and it will DHCP its own address.

1062
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:47,000
But if you – they'll also tell you the ports that it will, you know, to forward through your router or whatever.

1063
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,000
I'm going to plug it in as a second line on my phone switch.

1064
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,000
I have a phone switch in my house.

1065
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,000
I have a legend, my house.

1066
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,000
Okay.

1067
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,000
Are we out of time?

1068
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,000
Yeah.

1069
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,000
We're going to have to wrap it up.

1070
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,000
We're going to have to let people know.

1071
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000
My phone's about to run out of battery anyway.

1072
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,000
Okay.

1073
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,000
I'll let everyone know that we're not going to be here next week.

1074
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,000
They're going to have the fundraiser.

1075
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,000
We'll be here the following week.

1076
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,000
For an expanded show.

1077
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,000
The 19th.

1078
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,000
That's right, the 19th expanded show, right.

1079
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:20,000
Folks, email us, oth2600.com, if you have any suggestions as to additional material that we can offer for 2600,

1080
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,000
whether it's put a sweatshirt, coffee mugs, or whatever.

1081
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,000
Just email us and let us get some suggestions.

1082
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,000
We're going to be at the Anchor Bar in Buffalo after the show.

1083
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,000
If anyone out there wants to meet us, it's in the Buffalo area.

1084
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,000
Otherwise, we'll see you at the 2600 meeting.

1085
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,000
Good.

1086
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,000
See you Friday.

1087
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,000
Good night.

1088
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,000
Good night, everyone.

1089
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,000
Good night.

1090
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,000
Good night.

1091
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Good night.

1092
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,000
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1093
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1094
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1095
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1096
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1097
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1098
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1099
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,000
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1100
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,000
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1101
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1102
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1103
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,000
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1104
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1105
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1106
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1107
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1108
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1109
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1110
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1111
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,000
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1112
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,000
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1113
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1114
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1115
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1116
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1117
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1118
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1119
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,000
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1120
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,000
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1121
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1122
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1123
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1124
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1125
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1126
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1127
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1128
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1129
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1130
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,000
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1131
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1132
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1133
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1134
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1135
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1136
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1137
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1138
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1139
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1140
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1141
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1142
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1143
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1144
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1145
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1146
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1147
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1148
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1149
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1150
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1151
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1152
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1153
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1154
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1155
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1156
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1157
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1158
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1159
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1160
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1161
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1162
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1163
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1164
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1165
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1166
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1167
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1168
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1169
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1170
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1171
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1172
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1173
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1174
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1175
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1176
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1177
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1178
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1179
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1180
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1181
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1182
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1183
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1184
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1185
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1186
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1187
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1188
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1189
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1190
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1191
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1192
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1193
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1194
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1195
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1196
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1197
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1198
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1199
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1200
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1201
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1202
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1203
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1204
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Good night.