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And this is radio station WBAI in New York, where the time is 10 o'clock.

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Time once again for Off The Hook.

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Time once again for Off The Hook.

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And a very good evening to one and all, this is Off The Hook, the weekly program dealing

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with telecommunications and computers and the advances and regressions that we face

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every day in our society as a result of those particular things which develop.

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Today is a rather monumental occasion, it's the last program that Fiber-Optic will be

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on before he is sent to prison for a period of a year and a day, which technically could

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wind up being as little as 10 months, but that's about as little as we can hope for.

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Fiber-Optic is a voice that many of you have heard over the past couple of years on this

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program, answering all kinds of questions and things like that, giving information,

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giving his own special brand of expertise to the entire crazy world of technology that we're

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plunging headlong into. So this is the last program where Fiber-Optic will be on the air,

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and we will be devoting the vast majority of the program to the calls, people calling in,

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and we'll do that in just a few minutes. And first, a couple of interesting news items which

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are popping up, as news items are prone to do. MCI has announced a rather startling development.

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I wouldn't say startling so much, it's just, well, if you worked for a phone company,

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maybe you would say startling. Because MCI is planning to enter the local markets.

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They're planning to start local service, not just long-distance service. Remember that competition

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we were talking about, as far as competition to the local phone companies, New York Telephone,

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or 9x as they're called now? You may one day have a choice. Now, that's not going to come

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tomorrow, it's not going to come next week, but it might happen in the next couple of years,

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and it's not going to happen everywhere. It'll happen in major cities, but this is what the MCI

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people are saying at the moment. MCI Communications, which is the company that, according

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to the New York Times, probably opened AT&T's monopoly on the long-distance telephone business

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more than 20 years ago, has announced a two-billion-dollar plan to invade the local

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telephone market. Two billion dollars. MCI also announced a vaguely defined vision

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to team up with unspecified partners on a 20-billion-dollar effort to upgrade

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its long-distance network for an array of voice, video, and high-speed data communications,

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using a vast network of underground conduits that it acquired several years ago from Western Union,

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the former telegraph company. Actually, I guess they still are the telegraph company. I'm not

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quite sure what Western Union does these days. MCI plans to build local fiber optic networks in

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the nation's 20 biggest cities over the next several years. Initially, MCI intends to use

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the fibers to link its corporate customers directly to its long-distance network, bypassing

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the local bell telephone companies and avoiding the access charges MCI now pays the phone companies

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for local connections to corporate customers. Each year, MCI pays local phone companies five

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billion dollars in access charges, which account for about half the cost of long-distance phone

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calls. They are by far the most lucrative segment of the local telephone market. Over the longer

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term, MCI executives outlined a vision of providing local driveways onto a high-speed national network

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that offers video on demand and enough speed to transmit an entire library of books across

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the country in a few seconds. It also hopes to compete with the bell companies by offering

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local access to other long-distance carriers, including its arch-rival, the American Telephone

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and Telegraph Company. Imagine that. Imagine the embarrassment, the embarrassment at AT&T

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corporate headquarters when MCI walks in the door and says, hey, we can get you into the local market,

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which is what they got them out of in the first place. Oh, yeah. Well, AT&T, I'm sure, will be

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just tickled pink about that. There's a big double-page ad in today's New York Times as well.

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That article, by the way, was from the business section of today's Times, and we only read a

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small part of it. There's all kinds of weird things going on. 25 years ago, we took on the

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largest company on earth. Today, we take on space and time. You have to wonder what's going on down

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at MCI headquarters. They're really laying on the hallucinogenics quite a bit over there.

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This time, this is the ad, this time the monopoly is the map and the clock, and MCI has an astonishing

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plan of liberation from them. Sounds like one of those press releases from, you know, those

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Banana Republic-type countries that, yeah, astonishing plan of liberation from. Today,

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we inaugurate the nation's first transcontinental information superhighway, part of an overriding

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vision for the next century that bears the name, this is the name, folks, get ready, this is the

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name, Network MCI. Now, it's really cool the way they do this, because the word network is in small

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letters, and MCI is in capital letters. Network MCI is all one word. Yeah, the road that for this

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technology is SONET fiber optic technology, which fiber optic, in fact, is going to tell us what

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exactly that is, as soon as I can reach over all these papers and turn your microphone on. What is

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SONET, anyway? Actually, it's SONET. I'm sorry, SONET. Well, it's just that the Shakespeare

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sonnets have two ends, and so I figured the MCI sonnets that had one end would make it SONET,

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but that's just me. Blame Bellcore. All right. SONET is a synchronous optical network, and it's

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a new standard for fiber optic communications, and if I remember correctly, I think the speed of it,

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don't quote me on this, I think the actual speed of the carrier is 84.48 megabits per second. Well,

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I can tell you that the SONET fiber optic technology has the power to move information

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15 times faster than any SONET network available today. Does that sound right to you? I don't know.

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SONET fiber optic technology has the power to move information 15 times faster than any SONET

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network available today. Yes, and coupled with SONET will be ATM switching technology, giving

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the network self-healing capabilities within a sub-second. Does it say that? Yes, it does say

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self-healing. What is a sub-second, by the way? Does anybody know that? Sub-second? Microseconds,

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milliseconds? I've never heard of sub-second before. I think all of those would be considered

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sub-seconds, and just for those listening, ATM is not an automated teller machine, but they're

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referring to asynchronous transfer mode, which is a method of switching. But speaking of automatic

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teller machines, did anybody catch NYPD Blue last night? They had that story that took place in

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Connecticut where somebody had a fake ATM. They actually had somebody do this on the show. They

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set up a fake ATM, and people had their checking accounts wiped out, and they couldn't pay the rent,

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and they couldn't pay the diaper service, and all kinds of things like that. It was really sad,

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but you know what bothered me about that? I'm really detracting from what I'm talking about

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here, but what really bothered me was that they implied that the bank was not liable for something

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like that, you know, for allowing a machine to be set up in the first place with its name on it.

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It's a weird situation where you can walk up to a machine, and it can rob you. It can rob you,

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take the information off your magnetic strip, and someone can just duplicate a card,

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and you're responsible for that. I mean, the bank gives you the card, the bank tells you how to use

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the card, and then there is no security for the card, and you have to pay. That's not right.

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Anyway, let's get back to the MCI thing, and let's get over this as quickly as we can.

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Together, they will shrink the distances between humanity with everything from broadcast quality

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video phones, to long-distance medical imaging, to universal access to information, to worldwide

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personal communication services. Now, this sounds like nothing so much as the You Will campaign at

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MCI, not MCI, AT&T. It's hard to tell the difference these days, but AT&T has had for the

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last couple of months. They're having these vast dream-like visions of things that they're going

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to invent in the future that don't exist yet, and they've taken the credit for it before they've

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even been invented, and it's the most incredible thing. Imagine being able to zip from Mars to

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Pluto in a fraction of a second. Well, AT&T is going to do that someday. Yeah, makes you want

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to go out and buy stock, doesn't it? Anyway, continuing here, the first traveler on the New

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York to LA portion of the superhighway will be the Internet. MCI, in one of telecommunications'

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best-kept secrets, and I'd like to know if you know about this, Farber, has been providing

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Internet connections for the last half-decade. Have they been providing connections and not

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telling anybody? I don't know if it's specifically MCI, but I believe they're part of the little

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group of companies, along with Merit and IBM and so on and so forth,

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that I believe co-own the NSF Net Backbone. Uh-huh. It is a best-kept secret in their eyes.

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Anyway, it now empowers 20 million people to conduct a worldwide conversation with each other

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via computers, and what Network MCI will do—notice how that rolls off your tongue,

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Network MCI—what Network MCI will do is unite the human voice and data and video image and

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interactive multimedia for the entire nation and beyond. Boy, isn't this nice of them? MCI,

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together with its partners, will invest more than $20 billion over the next six years to create a

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veritable brain trust for the information age. The space-time continuum—yes, the space-time

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continuum is being challenged. The notion of communication has changed forever. All the

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information in the universe will soon be accessible to everyone at every moment.

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Are they really saying—

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This is all here in today's New York Times. This is an MCI ad. This is the most incredible ad I've

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ever seen. I mean, it's a bit—you have to—yeah, you have to look at this to verify it. They really

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say this.

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About the universe?

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Yeah, every bit of information in the universe will be available to everyone at every moment,

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and all because of a dream known as the information superhighway and a vision known as

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Network MCI. And a little asterisk at the bottom says, so you'd better not stand in the way, FCC.

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Or any other organization that's going to spoil things for everybody.

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All right, that took a lot of paper.

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And there's all kinds of other things in the papers over the past couple of days,

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including tariffs filed by New York Telephone. Do you see these? New York Telephone tariffs?

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Now, New York Telephone doesn't exist anymore, so why are they still filing tariffs? That's

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what I'd like to know. You know, all kinds of things about reverse information, you know,

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CNAs, reverse number information, whatever they call it. Basically a way of calling information,

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asking them who belongs to this phone number, and they'll tell you if it's listed.

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That's something that phone freaks and hackers have made use of for years. It's been available

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for a long time in the calls directory. But now it's going to be available to mere people like us.

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So that's something that we can look forward to as well. But what's weird is being offered by

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New York Telephone. Now what I'd like to do, I'd like to see, remember last week we did this, we

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called up local information, I believe, and we heard for the last time the New York Telephone

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recording. Now let's see, let's see if they have, as they said they would on January 1st,

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changed everything. I think it's very important that we do some checking up here. Okay,

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there's our trusty dial tone, and we're going to call. No, we're not going to call anywhere,

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because I guess we didn't pay the touch tone fee, did we? Now, okay, let's try another line.

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Hey, no, we didn't pay the touch tone fee on any of our lines, apparently. Let's try this one.

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There we go. Let's see what happens.

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New York Telephone, what town, please? Oh, I'm sorry, I was trying to reach 9x.

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Okay. Okay, so long. Well, apparently, she didn't know either. Okay.

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Wow, 9x, what's that? Okay, it doesn't work on information yet. How about that?

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Does not work on information. Let's try zero plus calls.

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What shall we call? Let's call ourselves.

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Whoops. You're supposed to dial 212 first, right, in New York? Yeah. Okay.

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I keep forgetting that.

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It doesn't really make any sense, but...

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Okay, so let's try that again.

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Yeah. Okay.

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I keep forgetting that.

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It doesn't really make any sense, but...

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Let's see what happens. New York Telephone. Oh, what's going on here?

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I mean, you know, I wrote the check out to 9x. I've been complaining about 9x all week. I haven't

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said a single bad thing about New York Telephone since January 1st, because they don't exist

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anymore. But what do I see? I see New York Telephone vans, I see New York Telephone

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advertisements and tariffs, and I hear New York Telephone on the phone. What's a person to do?

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All right, enough of this. Fiber, this is your last show. Yes, it is. At least for the next,

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well, how long do we estimate it's going to be that they'll lock you up for?

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Roughly 10 months.

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No, that's quite a time. That will bring us to October, I believe, of this coming year.

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It's been pretty crazy and hectic, I imagine, over the past couple of weeks. You're actually

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supposed to report, Wayne, on Friday? Yeah, that's right. In a place called Schoolkill,

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Pennsylvania, where you'll be spending time, and hopefully you'll be writing to us here at

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the radio station. Yep, I'll certainly... Since you won't be able to be on the air.

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I'll certainly try to write, at least. Any thoughts you want to get? By the way,

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good article in this week's Village Voice. Yeah, I was really happy to read that. I thank

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Julian DeBell for writing it. It was a really nice article. It's the one with Beavis and...

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No, it's not Beavis and Butthead, is it? Is that supposed to be Clinton and Bush?

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No, it's supposed to be our former and current mayor. Oh, no, actually it's Mayor Koch.

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Oh, there's a mayor. I can't tell political cartoons. It's Koch and Giuliani. Koch and Giuliani,

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okay, in the form of Beavis and Butthead. Okay, so, yes, pick up the Voice and check out that

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article. Nice picture, too. I haven't actually seen it yet. I'm just saying what other people

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have said to me. Open the page, why don't you? What page is it on? This newspaper has about

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a thousand pages in it, so I don't know what page to go to. 44. 44? I hope you're not just

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saying that. Oh, look, there you are. Yes, the bite man of Alcatraz, they call you.

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The prisoner. Fiber optic goes directly to jail. Wow. Well, that's something. So,

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that's in this week's Village Voice. Our phone lines are open. 212-279-3400. Let's

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say goodbye to Fiber in BAI style.

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Hello, who are you? Where are you calling from? This is George calling from Berkeley.

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George from Berkeley. How are you? Hey, man, I'm pretty good. You're George Gleason, obviously.

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Yes, that's the one. You've been on this program before and you've met Fiber a few times. Yep.

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Mark, you there? Yep, I'm right here, George. Hi. Did you ever get my email? I think I may have.

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Long time ago. Yeah. Anyway, well, I guess this may be the only chance we have to talk before you

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before you go away. Yeah. I don't know what to say that I can say when it's on the air, but

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just that I'm with you in spirit. And I can't hear the program on the West Coast, obviously,

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but if you've got an address or anything like that, you know, if you want to keep up a

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correspondence, I'd be glad to. OK, we'll be corresponding on the net, George. So you can

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just send an email to me and I'll make sure you get the address. And anyone else out there that's

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on the net, you can just send mail to Emanuel at well.sf.ca.us and I'll make sure I forward you

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the address. Mark, how are you? You're going on Friday. Is that it? Yeah, basically, I'm going

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out with Erica, actually. Emanuel, sorry. How are you? How are you feeling about this whole thing?

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Well, I'm very stressed about the whole thing and it's rather hard for me to talk about it,

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frankly. You've never been to prison before, obviously. Basically, imagine this. Imagine

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somebody coming up to you and say saying, by the way, day after tomorrow, you have to go to prison

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for 10 months and you've never been in prison before. So it's kind of hard to imagine what's

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what what to feel because you don't know yourself what to feel. Mark, the only thing I can say is

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a couple of friends of mine went went away for went to prison for resisting draft registration

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and they were in a very similar situation in the sense that it was one of these

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minimum security facilities. They were in F.C.I. in Danbury and what they reported was that the

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nastiest part of the whole thing was that it was simply boring. And so anything that could keep up

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their intellectual interests was a good thing. But that basically that, you know, the minimum

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security facilities are they're a drag. I mean, there's no doubt about that, but that it's not

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as bad as a lot of it. I mean, who am I to say, because I've never been behind bars myself, but

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but that if this is of any reassurance at all, I mean, from friends of mine who've been in the

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same situation for a year for the same, you know, at the same level, it's like the worst part about

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it is just the simple boredom. And if you can keep your, you know, keep your interest alive and keep

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your spirit alive with correspondence and with, you know, things like that, I mean, that that's really

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that that doesn't make time pass necessarily a whole lot faster. But it's not like it's not

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like being locked up in Maxi or anything like that. George, let me ask you a quick question.

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And we got to get on some more phone calls. Would you say that that fiber optic is it's the closest

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thing we have to a political prisoner these days in this country? Well, pretty darn close. But I

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mean, there's a lot of political prisoners right now. And you've got the people like the activist

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for the American Indian Movement, Leonard Peltier, if I'm not mistaken. And yeah, I mean, there's no

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doubt about it. We've got political prisoners and that fiber definitely qualifies as one in this in

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this day and age. I mean, I think that the public will recognize that in the years down the road

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more than they do now. There's a there's a long history of people having to suffer imprisonment

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for their beliefs and for the actions which support those beliefs. And if nothing else,

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if you can always keep the moral high ground in your heart about it and and also remember that

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the love and the friendship of all your folks on the outside and stuff like that, you know. But

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yeah, I think that in the years to come, this will be recognized as the time of a witch hunt,

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approximately equivalent to McCarthyism, that some of our best and brightest were made to suffer

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this kind of persecution for the fact that they that they dared to be creative in a way that

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society didn't didn't understand. I don't know what else to say. I mean, you know, this guy,

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I mean, you know, all I can say is, is you guys are you guys are doing you guys are doing great

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things. And it's it's I don't know, Mark, dude, I wish I could. You know what I'm saying? It's

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like it's hard to find words, man, because it really it I feel sad inside that this is happening,

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you know, and and the only other thing is, I'll keep you posted about what's happening on the work

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on the West Coast here, because I'm sure you'll be getting a lot of opportunities and options

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from other people. But I haven't forgotten that original commitment in terms of of anything that

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can can be worked out with us out here and stuff like that. And so, okay, George, well, thanks.

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Thanks for, you know, for your comments. And thanks for being there for us. Yeah, with you

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in spirit all the way, my friend. Thanks, George. Take care then. Bye. George Gleason

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calling from Berkeley, California. 212-279-3400. This is the last program with fiber optic before

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he's sent to prison for crimes of hacking crimes, which one day won't be considered crimes at all.

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I'm positive about this. I mean, people that that kill people that rape people that rob.

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Yeah, they they may get more time. They may not get more time. But, you know, they don't always

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get very much more time than this. And lots of times first offenders of violent crimes, you know,

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they they get less than what what we're sending this guy away for. It's it's a crazy world. It's

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a crazy world. And we can't forget that for a second. Good evening. You're on. Oh, you were on.

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Good evening. You're on. Yes. Hello. Go ahead. Yes. I'd like to say goodbye to fiber. And

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you guys, Emmanuel, you're doing a very good program here. Very, very well. The signal comes

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in here in Nassau County. And don't feel bad that you're going away because it's going to be an

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experience that you will never forget. But it's all the people, innocent people and people with

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a lot of ideas and different than the majority of the society that are locked away, wasting their

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brains, wasting the energy, because this is a system in which we live in. And so I would like

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to say, you know, do the best and hang in there. You guys, we need more people like you guys.

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OK, thanks for calling. Thanks. Take care. You know, it's it's interesting. There have been

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people in the past that have gone to prison for this kind of thing. Quite a few, actually way too

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many. This for us here in New York, B.I. listeners in particular, it's different because we've come

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to know this particular person. And I think in ways that that we can only try to point out with

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other people that don't have voices and faces attached to them. We can see very clearly that

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this is a human being. This is somebody that that shares our curiosity, shares our quest for

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knowledge, shares our sense of humor, shares all that kind of thing. And now we see the effects

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of sending somebody away like this, of totally disrupting someone's life, the sadness, the

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incredible tragedy of something like this. And it takes that contact, takes that contact to be able

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to to get through that particular idea, that particular way of seeing things. So if nothing

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else, at least we all have benefited from from from knowing Fiber here, from interacting week

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after week. We can all feel outraged at what's happening. We can all feel sadness and anger

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together rather than just reading something in a newspaper about some faceless person someplace.

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We all know this person, and it's like it's happening to us to some degree.

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212-279-3400. Good evening, you're on. Yeah, Emmanuel, how you doing? Okay, how are you? Okay,

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this is Reuben from the Bronx. How are you? Okay, and I'd like to say that I don't really

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know Fiber too long, only from the past few meetings that I've been to. And I just think

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that he should try to use the time to his advantage, you know, maybe work out a lot and

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come out cocked diesel, you know what I'm talking about? I think so. Yeah, I think so. So anyway,

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that's about all Fiber, you know, just try to read a lot, you know, and work out a lot and get

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the number for that computer so we can hack into it. And, you know, maybe reduce the amount of days.

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Okay, well, we'll work on that. All right, work on that. Thanks. Thanks a lot. All right. But

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there's any, you know, governors or people listening like that, that can commute sentences,

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I think they have more access to that system than we do. But it's interesting what the caller

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mentioned in the next, or the issue of 2600 that just came out. We have something called the cool

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letter department. And this guy, this person that was in prison and sent us a letter. I don't know

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what he was in prison for. I'm not sure if it was hacker related. But he got a letter from the

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sheriff's department saying, our office has recently received information that you or other

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persons of your acquaintance may attempt to gain access to the computer system of the Travis County

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Sheriff's Department. Now, this is a letter he received while he was in prison. He received a

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letter from the sheriff's department saying don't access our computers to a prisoner. Somebody isn't,

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I mean, that's incredible. What do they think this guy was capable of? So yeah, we got a copy of that

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letter and what fun that was. But I don't think, I don't think such things will happen in this

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particular case. Good evening, who are you? Where are you calling from? New York. Okay, and what's your

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first name? Lynn. Sorry? What's your first name? Lynn. Okay, and what's on your mind? Oh, um, I just

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want to say that we're going to miss you forever on Echo. Thanks. I can't hear you. So we're going

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to miss you and take care and we'll come out and visit. Okay, see what you do. Bye-bye. Thanks for

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calling. And, um, how does the visitor policy work? Basically, you have to give them a bunch of names?

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As far as I know, when I, when I first get there, I go through some sort of orientation and I get the

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opportunity to put four names on a list. Four names? I thought it was more like 12. No, it was four names I

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was told and, um, I don't know what the exact rules are as far as, uh, if I can take someone off that

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list or put them back on at a later time so I can put other people on. But basically, uh, just because

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they're on that list doesn't mean much. That means that, uh, I'm willing to accept them as a visitor and

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then if they want to actually show up, they have to go through some whole long process of filling out

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forms and being approved by the prison and so on and so forth. That must be the ultimate insult,

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not being approved by a prison. But, um, well, I just wanted to say something interesting on that

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note is that I talked to, uh, my friend Paul Styra last night. He called us at Echo from prison. He's

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in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania and, uh, he had said a couple interesting things. One thing he said was

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particularly about you was that they had labeled you as a subversive. Oh, you don't say, really?

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Really, yeah. Now, how is it he knows about this and I don't? This is what, uh, I believe he was told.

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He was told I'm a subversive. Yeah, I don't know if it was in those exact words but they pretty much

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alluded to it so I think... I suppose they mean that in a negative way. I think so, yeah. I think

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you'd probably have problems getting approved for visitation. Oh, that's just great. I've been

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told I'm a dissident, you know, in Bruce Sterling's book but, uh, subversive, boy. So, because I'm a

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subversive, I can't visit people in prison now. That's... What am I going to do? Am I going to

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lead an uprising or something? Am I going to tear down the walls? Show people the secret exit out?

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He was also wondering if, uh, if you got a mail from him recently. Um, I got a letter from him

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several weeks ago. Okay. Several weeks ago. I think it's a possibility he might have sent something

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more recent and he's afraid that they might be, uh, diverting the mail between you and him. It's,

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uh, it's quite possible. Um, I just sent him something so hopefully he'll get something in a

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few days and, uh, I think whenever you send mail to somebody in prison, you always have to make

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reference to something that you sent before so that they'll know if it's missing and the same

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going the other way. So, when you write out to people, make sure that you mention if, um, if

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you already sent out a piece of mail, you know, that that mail existed. Otherwise, we may never

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know it's missing. I can't believe we're talking like this but, uh, that's, that's the way it is.

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That's what we're dealing with. Subversive, huh? So, I guess that means that, uh, that they're not

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gonna let me visit you. Is that it? I don't know. Uh, well, make sure you put my name on the list.

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Oh, you'll certainly be on the list. With, with both Acid Freak and Scorpion who are, are two

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other friends that are currently in jail and I guess will be getting out in March or April. Yeah.

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Um, they both put my name on a list from what I understood and, um, either didn't hear anything

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back or as you just told me, um, heard something to the negative back. Yeah. It's crazy. All right.

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Let's go back to the phones. Good evening. You're on the air. Hi, Manuel. How you doing? Okay. Um,

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I have a few now, you know, a few things to say. Um, first of all, I'm kind of wondering, uh, you

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called zero and you still hear New York telephone. Now, I'm assuming that when you dial zero, it's

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all going to the same office. Am I right? Because when you dial zero here, we get the 9x. Yeah. Now,

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what area code are you in? 203. 203. Uh, 203. Yeah. You're in that small part of 203 that gets

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served by 9x or New York telephone? Yep. In fact, if you want, I got three-way calling. I can

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conference you with a new thing. Okay. Go ahead. Just a sec. I know there are some areas that are

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getting it. Don't hang up when I'm done. Hang on. Okay. Of course. I hope he doesn't hang up.

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Let's see what happens. This could be the first airing of the 9x. Wow. Wow. Doesn't that sound

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nice and cheery? Can I help you? Uh, no thanks. No. All right. Anyway. Go back. Go back to work.

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Okay. Uh, that's, that sounds really uplifting and something that we really could use in the

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90s. Yeah. And the next thing is? 9x. It's like a sunrise. Um, uh, next few things. Uh,

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Michigan Bell. Now, there's all this controversy about caller ID. Mm-hmm. Michigan Bell now has

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caller ID where it also shows your name. Well, that's, that's happening throughout the country

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actually. And the other thing that was weird, um, was that, uh, I think it's Pennsylvania Bell

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that. That's Bell of Pennsylvania to you. What? Bell of Pennsylvania. Not Pennsylvania Bell. Bell

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of Pennsylvania. Um, they now have a service where if you dial your own number. Uh-huh. It

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will ring all the other phones in the house. Kind of like Ringback. Isn't that clever? Yeah. And

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what I'm wondering is, wouldn't that, uh, wouldn't that do something to your phone if you're still

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on the phone? Or I guess maybe they make you hang up or something? Well, you have to hang up the

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phone for it to ring. Right. That's what I figured. Yeah. And then the deal is you hear it stop

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ringing and you pick up and hope that in that half a second of confusion that the person doesn't hang

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up again. Then the last thing is, uh, MCI. I was one, I was looking at 1010 Winds radio. Uh-huh.

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They announced that MCI now has, uh, some sort of a thing where you can call when you make, uh,

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calling card calls or whatever. Um, they now have voice recognition or they will, um, actually

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the second last thing, um, they now has voice recognition where you're supposed to be able to

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say your name. You can now get car, not a card, but I think that's Sprint. Oh, it might be Sprint.

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I'm not sure. I think they said MCI, but, um, you're supposed to be able to call an 800 number.

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It'll, they said it would ask for a code, which has confused me because it's supposed to be voice

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activated. Well, it's probably a word of some sort. Yeah. And then after that you say call home

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or third party or something like that. Yeah. But you might call Rome instead of calling home.

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All kinds of things are possible with voice recognition. I was, I was talking about the, um,

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uh, the, the Newton computer a couple of weeks ago. Now that's not voice recognition. That's

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handwriting recognition. But, uh, occasionally when somebody would write the word, call Bob,

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it would translate it to kill Bob. And you know, that caused all kinds of misunderstandings,

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obviously. Yeah. All right. Thanks a lot. Okay. We'll miss you. All right. Take care.

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Let's, uh, go back to the phones. Two one, two, two, seven, nine, three, 400.

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Good evening. Where are you calling from? Hi, I'm calling from Manhattan. My name is Steve.

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Okay. And I wanted to let Mark know he's never heard my voice before, but I know him from Echo.

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My name is Steve Miller. Uh, also sharp. And, uh, Mark, uh, you, if you remember enough about

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me, you know, I'm a computer programmer. I'm also in a criminal defense attorney.

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I work mostly in the computer biz. I want to let you know that one of the effects that's intended

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by, uh, imprisonment of course, is to send a message to society. In this particular case,

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it's going to work in reverse at least some of the time, because many of my coworkers who are

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computer people have read some of the partially accurate accounts of what you pled to and what

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you were charged with. And they'd been scratching their heads and saying, you know, gee, I've done

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that and I've done this and so forth. And maybe they didn't have names like fiber optic or were

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members of groups or whatever that had, uh, uh, curious or suspicious sounding names.

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But they started asking me, gee, could I really go to jail? If I were found out that I did this,

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could I really be prosecuted? If we're found out, I did that. And I have to tell them that

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under both federal and now some of the more stringent New York state laws, the answer is yes.

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And I think they're scratching their heads some more and saying, well, that isn't right.

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And, uh, the message being sent by the fact that someone who did the same things that they

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haven't been caught for, but have also done is going to do a year. It's, uh, it's got them doing

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more than just getting scared and saying, I better follow the law. I think a lot of them are saying

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we better change the law. So, uh, whatever comfort it might be to you, uh, more than one message can

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come out of somebody doing time. And this time it, uh, it's going to be different than they expect.

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And, uh, for what it's also worth, I'm going to help try to send that message for you.

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Um, I don't know if that'll give you any comfort in the can, but, uh, just be aware that we, uh,

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we don't all see things the same way as our government. Okay. Thanks very much. Thanks.

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Take care. I think that represents, uh, a large number of people out there from,

375
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,720
from all different backgrounds. I mean, we had somebody on the, uh, on the radio a few weeks

376
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:27,840
ago, former CIA person saying that this was outrageous. We have people from all different,

377
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:33,600
uh, departments and, and factions of the government saying this. Uh, I mean,

378
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:39,680
it doesn't make sense. I have to ask myself over and over again, who does this benefit?

379
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,480
You know, and if, if you believe sending someone like Fiber to prison is a good thing,

380
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,960
who benefits from this? Do we benefit? Now we're losing a voice for, for 10 months to a year. Um,

381
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,920
I have yet to find anyone that will benefit from this. Good evening. You're on, where are you

382
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:05,200
calling from? Yes. Go ahead. Hi. I just want to, uh, say that, uh, I know that Mark, it feels very

383
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:14,080
bad about having to go away. And, uh, those of us that have come to know him, uh, over the past year

384
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:23,280
are not having our liberties taken away from us for an extended period of time. Uh, but what's

385
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:31,120
being removed from our life is someone that for me has become very dear to me. Uh, I really like

386
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:41,600
Mark a whole lot. And when, uh, the news of his sentencing came down, it took a while for me to

387
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:50,560
realize what this was going to mean, you know, to Mark. And then recently as, as Friday has been

388
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:57,680
fast approaching us, I found that I've become very withdrawn, uh, because a friend of mine is

389
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going away. And, uh, the line from the Mikado that comes to, comes to mind to me a whole lot is my

390
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:11,040
object. Oh, so blind. I will achieve in time to make the punishment fit the crime, the punishment

391
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:16,480
fit the crime. And I think that in this case it doesn't. And that's what I wanted to say.

392
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:23,920
Okay. Thanks. Sure. Take care. Yeah. Nothing like a Gilbert and Sullivan line to make you feel a

393
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:32,240
little better. Okay. 212-279-3400 goodbye show for fiber optic here on WBAI New York.

394
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:38,800
Good evening. You're on. I just called and I forgot to say one thing. Um, I found something

395
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,560
very interesting in New York telephone. All right. Make it quick. Cause there's a lot of people

396
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,400
waiting. All right. I'm sorry. Um, you can try this. I don't know what effects it'll have on

397
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:52,000
a rollover, but you can try it on your last line. Um, it seems that if you hang up and pick up and

398
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,760
hang up and pick up constantly, right. Uh, a little faster than a pole style. Yeah. It'll, it'll,

399
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,720
it'll kill the line. Not only that, but if you then go onto a different line and call that line,

400
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,000
your telephone will tell you if you have two lines that the number has been changed

401
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,800
and we'll list the other line. Really? That's that's bizarre. Yeah. You can try it. I mean,

402
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:18,240
I've done it, uh, two different lines and luckily on mine, if I know someone that I don't want to

403
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,480
talk to, I can do that because they typed in the number wrong. I also heard a rumor though,

404
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:29,280
that every time you do that, you kill a switchman. It's just a rumor. It's just a rumor,

405
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,200
but I felt I should point, you know, pass it along to everybody. You might want to try that or

406
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,680
Yeah, I'll try it. Thanks. Actually, I tried that in Kansas, not killing a switchman. I tried,

407
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:45,120
um, pulsing the phone real fast and it killed the line for a couple of minutes. And then I tried it

408
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:50,880
again and it didn't work anymore. It's like the line learned, learned not to react to that anymore.

409
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,360
And, um, I don't know. It happens on digital switches that much. I do know. Well,

410
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,280
pretty much happened on any switch and in the lingo, it's called a line shower.

411
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,840
And the reason why the line cuts off like that is that, uh, in case there's a short circuit,

412
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,440
it could cause a intermittent short like that. And they want to cut the line off

413
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,200
until they can repair it. Uh-huh. But if you do it enough times, I guess they label you a wise

414
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,800
guy and say, okay, we're not going to protect this person anymore. Just let him flash away

415
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,440
to his heart's content. Okay. Let's go back to the phones. Good evening. You're on.

416
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,320
Oh, that's me. But where are you?

417
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,960
Eric. Good evening. Hi. Hello. Um,

418
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:34,960
Manny. Yeah. Okay. I wanted to say goodbye to fiber. Um, as a tribute, I just watched a rerun

419
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:40,320
of the original max headroom pilot the other night. So I dedicate that to him. I have just

420
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,320
a brief question about a New York telephone horror story. Maybe you can give me some advice.

421
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:51,200
Are you aware of the optional wire maintenance charge that appears on the bill? Yes. It's

422
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,320
very optional, right? Well, um, they conned me into having the maximum amount because I have

423
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:02,080
four extent extensions. And a few months ago I called up and said, it's optional. I'm trying

424
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:09,360
to economize and minimize, please remove it. So what happened was they charged me a $10 order

425
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:14,640
charge and they didn't even remove it. So I'm still being charged. Plus I was charged $10

426
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,920
to process an order that didn't even go through. Um, what recourse do I have?

427
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,800
They charged you to remove something. I've never heard of that.

428
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:30,560
Something like an order or something. It was a $10 processing charge, but they can't,

429
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,440
they can't charge you the wire maintenance charge, right? They can't charge you to remove a feature.

430
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,960
They can charge you to add a feature to install a feature, even though there's no installation

431
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,720
required. So what do I do? I don't have the records or anything. Go to the front of your

432
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:47,120
phone book. You'll find several 800 numbers there. And I would take those step-by-step

433
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,920
since obviously, uh, customer service didn't help you out. Try the president's hotline of

434
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:58,480
the phone company. Let me ask you a question first. And after that, uh, try the public service

435
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,800
commission. If that, if they don't help you where fiber is going, he's going to a place called

436
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:08,240
school, kill Pennsylvania, which is a, uh, a federal pen, I guess. I was afraid of that.

437
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,800
Well, hopefully, you know, um, you can do some good works if you know what I mean,

438
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,840
out of their system, um, whatever. Okay. Well, it's, you know, I've enjoyed the show,

439
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:23,920
but your show will remain on, right? Yes. Until they come to get me, this show will remain on.

440
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:30,080
Okay. That's about it. Yeah. Okay. Being a, a, uh, what was the word again? Subversive. Yes.

441
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,520
Just want to make sure, uh, that they could come anytime, I guess. Right.

442
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,800
Do I get a copy at least of a piece of paper that says I'm a subversive? I think I'm entitled to

443
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:46,800
that, aren't I? I mean, subversives have rights too. What? We don't? Oh, I'm sorry. My mistake.

444
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:52,240
All right. 212-279-3400. Give us a call. Say goodbye to fiber optic. Good evening. You're on.

445
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,120
Hi, how are you? Okay. I'm just kind of calling to add my voice to the support for fiber.

446
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:04,560
Well, thanks. Um, yeah, I'm kind of new on echo, but I, I imagine most of the people in jail are

447
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:10,800
not going to have the kind of level of support behind you, you know, that you have any kind of

448
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,120
consolation. Well, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing when you go to jail and you

449
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:20,560
have a fan club. Well, you know, maybe, you know, maybe it'll make you feel better. I mean,

450
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,920
you know, who cares what the other people think, right? That's true. Except you got

451
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,840
to live with those people for the next year. That's, that's the only concern there. Well,

452
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,640
if you're quiet and keep to yourself, they know what that means. So maybe they'll leave you alone.

453
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,160
Yeah. I don't know. It's, it's a minimum security though, right? Yeah. That shouldn't be,

454
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,000
it shouldn't be bad. Yeah. Well, you know, there's just something about the word prison,

455
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,840
I guess. I know it's kind of, it kind of rubs you the wrong way, right? You're going to get a warm

456
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,760
welcome when you get out. Yeah, that's for sure. You think the party going in was something,

457
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,400
the party coming out is going to be even better. Yeah. Yeah. All right. On echo,

458
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,200
everybody can't wait. I'm sure. Yeah. We'll start making plans now. We'll do. All right. Thanks.

459
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:08,480
212-279-3400. Good evening. You're on. Hello Fiber. Hi. Hi Fiber. Yep. Hey. Hey, I know who

460
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:15,760
this is. I hope in, in prison that the mashed potatoes don't have any skins. I hope so too.

461
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:26,160
Well, you know, we're all with you. Thanks. And good luck. I'll talk to you. Thanks a lot.

462
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,040
All right. Take care. Okay. Thanks. Thanks for calling. Good evening. You're on.

463
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,320
Hi. Hello. Go ahead. Just take up speaker over here. Let me just turn on the radio here.

464
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,480
Uh, you know, everyone's saying goodbye. We're going to miss you and stuff, but

465
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:46,000
there is a little bit of all of us in what's going on over here. And, uh, fiber just personifies it.

466
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,720
Uh, everyone has their own. Well, I have my own personal story with some stuff like this.

467
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,800
And, uh, I feel that as a part of me is going to prison to part of a part of society, if you will,

468
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:02,160
is going to prison here. Exactly. Yes. Another thing too, is I'm glad to hear from the guy

469
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,360
identified himself as a criminal attorney saying that he's going to try and do something at least

470
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:14,640
to, uh, decriminalize this, if you will, or at least mollify it because, uh, yeah, I mean, it's,

471
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,600
it's almost, if you will, the luck of the draw. I mean, you know, there's a lot of people that

472
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,000
could have gone to prison for the same thing. Really ridiculous. Number one, number two,

473
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,280
I know how you feel. And, um, and I'm not being cavalier about this because I know how you feel.

474
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,520
I mean, this is really not such a good thing. And the other thing is, as far as the people

475
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:36,240
who are violent, who go to jail versus the people who are nonviolent, who get the book thrown at

476
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:41,600
them, it's as if the, uh, from my perspective that the violent people basically use the prison

477
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:48,160
as, uh, a notch on their belt. The more years you can do, the more you're, uh, regarded as being,

478
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,760
uh, sort of like a big man on campus, so to speak. Whereas people who have, uh, jobs, if you will,

479
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:59,760
who are in society, who are paying taxes and stuff, this really hurts. And it, it, it makes

480
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:05,760
more, it inflicts more of a damage on people who are more, if you will, law abiding or in a gray

481
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,960
zone than those people who are flagrant and violent about it. And that's how I feel.

482
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,200
All right. Thanks for calling. Thanks.

483
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:16,720
Good evening. You're on.

484
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:20,800
Yeah. Hi. I want to add my voice to the support for fiber. Um,

485
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:26,240
I could pretty much echo everyone's prior statements. Also a couple of days ago on Monday,

486
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:30,480
um, I called and I did get the nine X from Long Island, Nassau County.

487
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,280
Oh, good for you.

488
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,760
That's all I have to say. Good luck, Piper.

489
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:34,240
Thanks.

490
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:41,840
Take care. Yeah. It seems that, uh, the nine X, uh, the nine X web is expanding slowly, but surely.

491
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:43,840
Good evening. You're on.

492
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,200
Hello.

493
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:45,840
Go ahead.

494
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,120
Yeah. This is the silver back up in seven one eight. Uh, like to say hello to manual razor,

495
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:57,760
Roman and, uh, fiber. And I do wish a fiber the best of luck with his, uh,

496
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:03,360
his little trip for his 10 months there. And, uh, I'd like to add my voice to the other people

497
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:10,400
on echo that are going to miss him and, uh, really miss him a bad, uh, being a, you know,

498
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,320
what I got, you know, guys know what I used to do for a living being a formal federal officer.

499
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:20,240
I can honestly say that fiber is the only guy that I've ever felt sorry for going to prison,

500
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,920
including, uh, you know, a lot of the people that I sent up personally.

501
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:32,720
But, uh, I think that the, the movement that he represents, the 2600 is a good thing.

502
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:37,200
I'm personally have an interest in it. Uh, I think it's great to expose the ripoffs of

503
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,480
the phone companies, uh, ripoffs of the co-cod companies, uh, and so on and so forth. And I

504
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:47,760
think it's a good thing. I don't think this is subversive information being translated at all.

505
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,000
Well, I, I agree with you. I know there's people in power though, that don't, and that's,

506
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,280
that's what the problem is right now.

507
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,320
Yes. I agree also. It's, uh, right now it's up to the people in power,

508
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,680
but we did bring down the bell system and, uh, working on AT&T and the rest of the companies

509
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:10,240
out there and hopefully we'll get fair and equal treatment by them. Some, somewhere along the line.

510
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,000
Yeah. One of these days, hopefully, hopefully that will happen.

511
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,520
Okay. That's all I have to say.

512
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,240
All right. Take care.

513
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:16,640
Good night.

514
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:26,160
Well, um, any, uh, any particular plans, uh, for things you want to accomplish while you're away,

515
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,000
things you want to do, things you don't want to do. Have you thought about this?

516
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,600
Things I want to do while I'm away?

517
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,640
Yeah. You planning on, uh, on reading and, uh, writing?

518
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,840
Well, hopefully I can, uh, accept at least half of the books that people say that they,

519
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:47,760
they'd like to send me. In fact, I'm reminded of, uh, my discussion with, uh, with Paul last night

520
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:53,680
calling from prison who said that a mutual friend of ours sent him a, uh, a programming, uh, book

521
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:59,200
about, uh, the C++ programming language. He wasn't allowed to receive it. The person who, uh,

522
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:06,000
who, uh, okay's the, uh, the receipt of, of things in the mail was saying that he thought

523
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:13,120
it was very strange and, uh, he, he was, uh, confused by it. So he was holding it back from

524
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:13,600
Paul.

525
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,240
I see. Now that's just great when you have someone who's, uh, who's into, uh, computer

526
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:24,240
development being denied access to computer development while you're away. You know, it's

527
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:31,280
a lot is going to be happening in 10 months. I mean, if you don't have access to at least the

528
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,520
knowledge of what's going on out there, it's going to be like a completely different planet

529
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,960
when you get back. 10 months is a long time in the, in the development of telecommunications

530
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,760
and computers. So, um, I sure hope that we're able to get stuff like that through to you.

531
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,200
Yeah. That's a pretty important to me that I'm able to keep track of the

532
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,600
new technology going on and back in the real world.

533
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,880
Mm hmm. Now there was a, there was a rule as far as, uh, sending publications or sending

534
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,960
books that they can only come from the publisher. Is that true?

535
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,720
Yeah. If they, if they were hardcover books, they can only come directly from a publisher.

536
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:05,280
And I guess, I guess they fear that people will hide things in the binding or something.

537
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:10,080
Yeah, subversives out there will, uh, will hide things in the hardcover books somehow. And, um,

538
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:16,720
and publishers of course, won't do this. So if anybody out there has friends, uh, or themselves

539
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:22,480
works in the publishing house, uh, that can manage to send, um, hardcover books or softcover

540
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:28,320
books or magazines or anything, uh, to Fiverr, please, uh, look into it and we'll be giving

541
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,320
out the address. Uh, you don't have your address yet, do you?

542
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,920
No, I actually, all I have really is the address of the prison itself for purposes of getting there,

543
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,720
but I'm not really going to know my specific address until I'm there and I'm assigned quarters.

544
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,440
Okay. We'll update the folks as we learn more about that.

545
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,720
Good evening. You're on.

546
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:51,520
Yeah. Hi. I just wanted to say, um, another echoid who's going to miss Fiverr. Uh,

547
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,120
I just hope that, uh, things work out for him.

548
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:56,640
Okay. Thanks.

549
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,400
Keep the faith. And I also want that infrared band if he doesn't mind.

550
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:04,400
Okay.

551
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,040
Take care.

552
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:05,520
All right.

553
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:06,240
Bye.

554
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:07,520
I guess he's got dibs on that now.

555
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,400
Good evening. You're on.

556
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,120
Oh good. I'm so glad I got on. Fiverr?

557
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:13,760
Yeah.

558
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:14,640
Hey, Fiverr.

559
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:15,140
Hi.

560
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,400
So, um, I'm going to miss you for sure because you've taught me a lot.

561
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:22,960
Uh-huh.

562
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,520
And, um, I just want to say one last thing to you and to Emmanuel. Well, it won't be a last

563
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:33,040
thing to Emmanuel, but if you dial 3-1-1, it gives you some sort of a strange sound,

564
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,160
not touch tones, but a strange sound. You could dial it now.

565
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,200
Are you sure? Are you sure we can dial it now?

566
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:39,840
Yes.

567
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,880
I don't know about that. All right. I'll, I'll take you up on it.

568
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,400
Um, actually, wait, do we have touch tones now? Do you have touch tones?

569
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,840
Well, you could dial it on dial too. I mean, it doesn't matter.

570
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,200
Yeah, but we don't have a way of dialing on this particular line because all the lines are taken up.

571
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,960
Maybe you can dial for us.

572
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,760
I can't dial it here because I'm in Queens. It only works in Manhattan.

573
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:58,400
Ah, it's too bad.

574
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,040
Well, gosh, um, we'll have to do it with you off the line then.

575
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,400
That's the only way I can free up a line.

576
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,720
Well, you want to tell us what happens?

577
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,800
I don't have a recorder. I'm about to compile a recording of different switches, by the way,

578
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:11,280
for you.

579
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:11,780
Uh-huh.

580
00:51:12,580 --> 00:51:16,180
That's great, but why don't you, why don't you describe for us what happens?

581
00:51:16,180 --> 00:51:19,140
And, uh, it sounds like a Morse code type of thing.

582
00:51:19,140 --> 00:51:20,260
Morse code, huh?

583
00:51:20,260 --> 00:51:23,060
Yeah, for a split second and then it, uh, hangs up.

584
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:24,980
Really? All right, we'll check it out.

585
00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:31,460
Okay, Spider, uh, best of luck and, uh, I, I'm going to miss you.

586
00:51:31,460 --> 00:51:32,660
Oh, thanks.

587
00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:33,860
All right, take care.

588
00:51:33,860 --> 00:51:34,820
Take care. Thanks for calling.

589
00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:39,140
All right, let's, uh, let's give that a try. Let's get a line here,

590
00:51:39,140 --> 00:51:40,740
which hopefully has touch tone service.

591
00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:43,540
All right, we're gonna dial 3-1-1.

592
00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:45,860
See what happens.

593
00:51:45,860 --> 00:51:47,060
I have a feeling nothing's gonna happen.

594
00:51:49,460 --> 00:51:50,180
Well, what do you know?

595
00:51:50,820 --> 00:51:51,460
It's busy.

596
00:51:51,460 --> 00:51:55,780
It's busy. Well, either that means that everybody in the world is trying that right now, or, uh,

597
00:51:55,780 --> 00:51:57,380
it probably just doesn't work from here.

598
00:51:57,380 --> 00:52:01,220
Or, you know, if you think about it, that busy signal does sound a bit like Morse code.

599
00:52:01,220 --> 00:52:04,580
Well, yeah, if you slow it down enough, there's probably some sort of a code in there.

600
00:52:05,300 --> 00:52:06,660
All right, let's go back to the phones.

601
00:52:06,660 --> 00:52:09,140
2-1-2, 2-7-9, 3-4-100, good evening, you're on.

602
00:52:09,620 --> 00:52:11,300
Uh, yes, Emmanuel.

603
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:16,020
I just want to wish Fiber a, uh, you know, good luck in jail and all, and, uh,

604
00:52:16,740 --> 00:52:19,060
you know, just basically want to wish that.

605
00:52:19,060 --> 00:52:20,420
Okay, well, thanks for calling.

606
00:52:21,540 --> 00:52:22,260
Sorry, that was me.

607
00:52:24,180 --> 00:52:26,420
Okay, good evening, you're on.

608
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:27,940
Yes, hello.

609
00:52:28,740 --> 00:52:32,580
I would just like to echo everyone else's words and, uh, the support of Fiber.

610
00:52:33,540 --> 00:52:37,060
And the only thing I'd like to add to it is don't let them shatter your mind.

611
00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:40,660
I hope you can use this time to your advantage to, uh,

612
00:52:40,660 --> 00:52:41,780
to enhance whatever you can.

613
00:52:41,780 --> 00:52:44,100
Again, if you can get some reading material or whatnot.

614
00:52:44,820 --> 00:52:46,500
And I do have one quick question for you guys.

615
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:49,700
Okay.

616
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:50,820
Oh, I'm sorry, are you there?

617
00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:51,320
Yeah.

618
00:52:51,940 --> 00:52:53,780
I'm trying to get the 2600 magazine.

619
00:52:53,780 --> 00:52:56,420
Can you give me, uh, any idea how I can get it?

620
00:52:56,420 --> 00:52:57,700
I've been trying to do it for a long time.

621
00:52:57,700 --> 00:52:59,540
You want to find it in an e-stand or do you want to subscribe?

622
00:52:59,540 --> 00:53:00,660
I would subscribe, really.

623
00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:01,780
Okay, I'll give you the phone number.

624
00:53:01,780 --> 00:53:05,140
That's, uh, area code 516-751-2600.

625
00:53:05,540 --> 00:53:06,580
751-2600.

626
00:53:06,580 --> 00:53:07,220
Thank you very much.

627
00:53:07,220 --> 00:53:07,940
Okay, take care.

628
00:53:09,780 --> 00:53:10,580
Good evening, you're on.

629
00:53:11,380 --> 00:53:13,460
Uh, hi, I'd just like to voice my, uh...

630
00:53:13,460 --> 00:53:14,500
Can you speak up a bit?

631
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:17,380
Uh, I'd just like to say goodbye to, uh, Fiber.

632
00:53:17,940 --> 00:53:18,440
Eric!

633
00:53:20,420 --> 00:53:21,060
I don't know.

634
00:53:21,060 --> 00:53:22,180
I don't know what's going on out there.

635
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:28,340
Okay, 212-279-3400.

636
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:30,180
That's our phone number.

637
00:53:30,820 --> 00:53:31,620
Good evening, you're on.

638
00:53:32,180 --> 00:53:33,060
Hello?

639
00:53:33,060 --> 00:53:33,780
Yes, go ahead.

640
00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:35,780
How you doing, Fiber?

641
00:53:35,780 --> 00:53:36,740
Hi, how are you?

642
00:53:36,740 --> 00:53:38,180
I'm gonna miss you, man.

643
00:53:38,180 --> 00:53:38,900
Thanks.

644
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:40,500
If I were you, I'm gonna buy a radio.

645
00:53:41,380 --> 00:53:41,940
Hello?

646
00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:42,900
Yes, go ahead.

647
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:44,100
And listen to Nightshade.

648
00:53:44,820 --> 00:53:45,620
Nightshade!

649
00:53:48,740 --> 00:53:50,820
Okay, good evening, you're on.

650
00:53:50,820 --> 00:53:56,500
Hi, you know, um, I'm, um, listening to all the people saying, uh, goodbye to Fiber.

651
00:53:56,500 --> 00:54:03,140
You know, the, um, Fiber's gonna be back in, in 10 months and, uh, uh, I, I certainly wish

652
00:54:03,140 --> 00:54:08,100
him well, and I will miss hearing his voice on the air, but, uh, you know, uh, Fiber,

653
00:54:09,220 --> 00:54:12,420
I think if you look at this, it's kind of like an interesting experience.

654
00:54:13,060 --> 00:54:18,340
Uh, you know, not, not one of your own choosing, but, uh, it'll be something to, to, to observe

655
00:54:18,340 --> 00:54:24,580
and to, uh, um, to, uh, to, uh, experience it, you know, as, as, as something, something

656
00:54:24,580 --> 00:54:25,220
brand new.

657
00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:31,460
And, uh, um, I don't know too much about, uh, Scorpio, but, uh, if it's a minimum security,

658
00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:36,500
well, and, um, it's not exactly like doing time at, uh, Leavenworth or, you know, some,

659
00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:40,580
some of these really, uh, really, uh, atrocious prisons.

660
00:54:40,580 --> 00:54:44,820
And, uh, do, you know, as people say, make the most of your time, make, do the best you

661
00:54:44,820 --> 00:54:48,500
can, and, uh, he will be looking, looking for you when you, when you, when you come

662
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:49,060
out.

663
00:54:49,060 --> 00:54:50,340
Okay, thanks for your call.

664
00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:52,580
Good evening, you're on.

665
00:54:52,580 --> 00:54:53,220
Where are you calling from?

666
00:54:54,660 --> 00:54:55,380
Yeah, Emmanuel?

667
00:54:55,380 --> 00:54:56,180
Yes, go ahead.

668
00:54:56,180 --> 00:54:56,980
Yeah, this is Craig.

669
00:54:57,940 --> 00:54:58,660
Craig Neidorf?

670
00:54:59,540 --> 00:55:00,260
Yeah.

671
00:55:00,260 --> 00:55:02,580
Are you calling from, uh, from Washington or Virginia?

672
00:55:03,140 --> 00:55:04,420
Well, yeah.

673
00:55:04,420 --> 00:55:07,220
Okay, one of those places, we'll just leave it at that.

674
00:55:07,220 --> 00:55:10,820
Uh, well, Craig, yeah, we've, um, you know, you're a familiar voice to this, uh, radio

675
00:55:10,820 --> 00:55:12,740
program, having been, uh, prosecuted yourself.

676
00:55:12,740 --> 00:55:14,580
Uh, you, you got out of it successfully, though.

677
00:55:14,580 --> 00:55:16,660
Um, we're in the last minute of the program.

678
00:55:16,660 --> 00:55:18,500
Something, uh, you want to convey?

679
00:55:18,500 --> 00:55:19,460
Yeah, sorry I'm late.

680
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:22,100
What's on your mind?

681
00:55:22,820 --> 00:55:23,780
Well, is Mark still there?

682
00:55:23,780 --> 00:55:24,580
I'm right here.

683
00:55:24,580 --> 00:55:25,540
Hey, Mark, how you doing?

684
00:55:25,540 --> 00:55:26,100
How's it going?

685
00:55:27,140 --> 00:55:27,640
Okay.

686
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,760
I, uh, just wanted to wish you the best of luck.

687
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,680
Well, thanks a lot.

688
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:39,160
I mean, I don't know exactly what's the deal with where you're heading or anything, but,

689
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,240
uh, make sure we all have your address.

690
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,360
Yep, I'll, I'll make sure everyone gets it.

691
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,880
Okay, well, we, uh, we'll certainly be sending that out over the net and over the radio as

692
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:50,380
well.

693
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:56,360
Um, but, uh, Craig, I know you, you speak for a lot of, uh, of hackers out there that

694
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,840
are following this whole thing and are, feel pretty much the same way as we do here at

695
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,360
VAI and our listeners do.

696
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,040
Um, and, uh, I want to thank you for calling.

697
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:07,160
All right.

698
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:13,400
Well, like I said, I mean, I feel pretty bad about what's going on because I was once almost

699
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:13,900
right there.

700
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:17,480
All right.

701
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:18,360
Well, thanks again.

702
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:18,680
Yeah.

703
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:19,560
Talk to you guys later.

704
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:19,800
All right.

705
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,280
Take care.

706
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:20,920
Thanks for calling.

707
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:26,600
Um, Craig Neidorf, who, uh, a couple of years ago was, uh, threatened with the same thing

708
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,560
that, uh, FiberOptic is facing right now, prison for, uh, access.

709
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,000
Actually, in his particular case, it was, it was, he was facing prison for printing

710
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,680
information that the phone company said was secret and it turned out later that it was

711
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:39,180
not.

712
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:45,480
Who knows what will turn out to be, uh, the case later on in this particular, uh, chain

713
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:46,040
of events.

714
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:58,120
Um, it's, uh, pretty likely though that in future years, we'll, uh, look upon this as,

715
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,160
uh, a big waste of everybody's time.

716
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,960
A real tragedy, something that, uh, should not have happened.

717
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:11,320
And, uh, I know I speak for, uh, for VAI listeners and saying that, uh, this is a, a sad

718
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:11,480
day.

719
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:17,160
This is something that, uh, that we're not going to forget about for quite some time.

720
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,080
And hopefully, uh, Fiber will be, uh, in touch with you on a regular basis.

721
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:27,160
We'll, uh, be reading your letters hopefully every week here at this radio station.

722
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,600
And, um, hey, in 10 months, we're going to see you again right here.

723
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:31,960
All right.

724
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,960
And thanks very much for, uh, for everything you've given us over the past, uh, couple

725
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:36,440
of years.

726
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,880
Thanks for just being there and answering our questions and having your unique perspective.

727
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,560
I wish it didn't have to be this way.

728
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,960
Wish, uh, we could, uh, continue doing this without an interruption.

729
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:55,960
Unfortunately, the, um, the forces of darkness sometimes, sometimes they make the moves and

730
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:56,680
we have to follow.

731
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:57,880
And this is one of those cases.

732
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,920
Let's hope, uh, it doesn't stay that way for, um, for a whole lot longer.

733
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,560
So Fiber, this is, uh, this is it.

734
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:08,840
Yep, this is it.

735
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:09,160
Yep.

736
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:09,960
This is it.

737
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:10,360
All right.

738
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:12,200
Take care.

739
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,800
And, uh, we'll see you in, uh, in 10 months or so.

740
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:16,600
Yep.

741
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:17,720
I'll see everyone around.

742
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,000
All right.

743
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,960
This is Emanuel for Off The Hook.

744
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,120
We'll be back next week.

745
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,560
We'll let you know how things went.

746
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,000
Take care of yourselves.

747
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:27,960
Stay tuned for the news.

748
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:32,760
Be good.

749
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,760
Good night.

750
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,760
Be good.

751
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,760
Good night.

752
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,760
Good night.

753
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,840
Good night.

754
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,840
So

755
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,680
this is radio station WBAI in New York.

756
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,640
Stay tuned for the evening news tonight on Earthwatch.

757
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,800
Robert Knight returns live with a report from Rikers Island.

758
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,160
Stay tuned.

759
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:54,280
Good evening.

760
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:59,080
In the news tonight, the Mexican government delivers a crushing blow to a Mexican rebel

761
01:00:59,080 --> 01:00:59,560
movement.

762
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,000
North Korea bows to U.S. pressure.

763
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:08,120
And in New York, a victory for environmentalists in Harlem while Governor Cuomo calls for more

764
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:09,800
firepower to fight crime.

765
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:15,560
With these and other stories, I'm Jose Santiago in New York with Verna Avery-Brown in Washington.

766
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:19,400
And this is the news for Wednesday, January 5th, 1994.

767
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,920
First to Washington and these headlines topping the news.

768
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,440
It's official.

769
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:31,000
State Department spokesperson Lynn Davis says North Korea has agreed to allow inspection of

770
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,360
its nuclear sites.

771
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,440
The decision puts North Korea in accordance with the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty or

772
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:37,000
NPT.

773
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:42,840
Washington has been pushing North Korea to open its facilities for inspection since Pyongyang

774
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,320
threatened last March to withdraw from the NPT.

775
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,880
The CIA believes the Asian country has produced at least one nuclear weapon.

776
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:55,720
There are conflicting reports about the early resumption of talks between Israel and the PLO

777
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,560
over a partial Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories.

778
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,400
Peretz Kadron reports from Jerusalem.

779
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:03,800
Israeli sources reject the